How come comic book artists only draw like 1 page a day? I just read manga artists draw like 5 pages a day...

That's more you bias than anything

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>your bias
>posts Inoue as a standard of eastern art

We both know exactly what that guy meant, he's talking about noodle-membered people in action manga vs. big two comics.

Most Mangas do not look like that and you know it.

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>most western comics don't look like this and you know it

I'm not sure if you genuinely don't grasp the idea of design and artistic direction or you just hat manga that much.

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Mate, I like both manga and comics but neither Jeff Smith nor Inoue are representative of the larger trends in neither manga nor western books.
Retarded shoujo proportions and shonen fights that are just SPEEDLINES and NOODLY LIMBS are far more common than any of the artwork you provided so far, and we both know these were the types of things user was talking about.
The average weekly manga has art on par with 80s - 90s indie b&w stuff (and I mean shit like Faust, not L&R) as far as anatomy and dynamics go and we both know it.

It's ridiculous to reduce two art tradition to anatomically "correct' and "incorrect" (as if they could even point out what correct or incorrect in the first place), and AGAIN it seems like everyone missing the point that there's deliberate differences in stylization between the two. You accuse me of being obtuse but if me posting WORLD FAMOUS work is some how being dishonest I don't know what to say.

>S-shit he contradicted my broad generalization
>better m-move the goal post

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No one is necessarily reducing anything, for every Hal Foster there is an Inoue, for every idk Monkey Punch there's a Ted McKeever, but the guy wasn't talking about these great outliers for anatomically correct or stylized art.
He was talking about the monthly grind shit, but you refuse to accept that while posting a bunch of entry level good comics that show how ENLIGHTENED you are.

Most Western capeshit comics don't look like Bone either.

I like stuff like Blade of the Immortal but although the anatomy is better in that Manga, it's not the norm... shit like Dragon Ball looks cool despite the fact the characters bodies look squished.

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Dude, fuck off, because this is exactly what was said

>Manga art has less detail overall and is also anatomically incorrect for the most part, especially the faces.
>Manga art

Not "monthly grind shit" (which means nothing), at least stand by the original argument instead of moving the goal posts.

>Most Western capeshit comics don't look like Bone either.

Seems like we're going in circles

And it's true, most Manga art is not proportionally correct, it's the same with anime.

Perhaps you are going around in circles because you don't want to face the reality of the differences in art between East and West capeshit.

You still don't get. When I say something like " comic art these days is mostly traced porn and action movies" it's obvious that while I AM generalizing comics, I'm not talking about Gilbert Shelton or Dan Clowes or Wally Wood, I'm talking about big two jobber stuff.
If I say something like "most manga is overly dramatic and poorly posed stuff that's trying to look good first and tell a story second", I'm not talking about Shigeru Mizuki or Hiroaki Samura, I'm talking about the weekly pap whose names barely register whenever I come across them.
I assume you're probably in your first year outside of reading capeshit but understand that everyone here is at least remotely acquainted with "weird" or "alternative" books or whatever, but all you're doing is going over the same tired outliers everyone's already aware and in awe off while refusing to understand this very simple generalization just because you found out CDisplay has a "save page" option and you wanna show off your pretty splashes.

It all depends on how much effort you (need to) put into a page, therefore...

manga artists = 5 decompressed pages a day
western artists = 1 floppy-page a day
franco-belgian artists = 1 rich & large page a week

manga artists also have like 5 assistants for b&w artwork, while franco-belgian artists usually do pencils, inks and colors on their own.

Comci guys producing 1 page per day are generally the ones drawing detailed stuff like this. In general comic pages have more panels and manga pages are smaller, and can feature extended pages with focus on faces, bodies fighting, and minimal emphasis on backgrounds. A lot of manga also uses one big establishing shot to set up a background and then minimal detail to nothing

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Superheroes are like 8 head tall, their not proportionally correct either, but you knew that.

And you still don't get that neither Marvel/DC nor Shonen jump encompass all of fucking comics, That's the only thing I've been saying. The guys I've been posting aren't even that niche or outliers, but do go ahead with that weird fantasy conversation you're having with yourself where you're some wizened sage who totally exposed me and my screenshot collection.

They are mostly traced too.

>Assistants
I'm not sure why this keeps being propagated.

Mangaka pay for assistants out of pocket. Only the bigger names can afford it, assuming they want them. Most draw and write alone.

Production teams with separate pencillers, inkers, colorists, writers, and cover artist are much more common in the US.

Mind you I don't think shit like bone is "bad" or some kind of counter point for bad manga, I like shit like Bone and Rasl, I saying both east and west run the gamut of art and superhero/shonen art are vanishingly small parts of comics as a whole.

Being an outlier and being niche are different things. By the very way the japanese market is structured, a lot of smaller stuff will "crack through", I even mentioned a similar situation in western comics.
I also know none of the artists you've posted are niche, I actually highlighted this multiple times. Honestly, you don't seem like you're wrong, just that you're being too obtuse for whatever reason, but again, someone being 8 ft tall still allows for anatomical correctness, this isn't what we're talking about.
We're talking about lazy panel filling anatomy surrounded by thousands of poorly thought out speedlines which comprise the bulk of weekly manga. You're talking to other fans of both manga and comics, at least on my part, but to pretend the vast majority of both mediums (and anything else in human culture) isn't lazy hack work is at best, being more naive than I allow myself to be.

Ok, I don't believe we're going to see eye to eye. And we're going so far afield of what I was actually arguing against

>Manga art has less detail overall and is also anatomically incorrect for the most part, especially the faces.

Which is an untrue and reductive statement, to some vague musings on human culture, and me having to argue against things I've never and more weird projection. you got it man.

Remember, it's not art unless its anatomically correct.

American cape artists are generally very lazy and only in it for the money. Artists from literally any other country or even americans not drawing for cape publishers are more ambitious and hard working.

Mate, again, no one here disagrees with you, but when judging a medium you don't pick only the best examples. You refuse to understand the other guy (and mine's) point: that as a whole, your average manga art is far more rushed than your average western art.
This is barely even an issue as far as quality goes, because as time goes on, I find myself reading less and less "rushed" books from either market, but still, this is an answer for OP's question: mangaka produce more because the standards are different and somewhat more liberal on some aspects (in this case, specifically those of anatomy and proportion).
A claim no one itt made

American artists are very lazy but not because of money (the pay is shit), they just want to play with the corporate toys they consume all their life.
It's not laziness, it's a complete and utter lack of a pictorial vocabulary outside of 80s-onwards cape comics.

The stories for manga are more well-written then your average capeshit. This also means that they are better drawn.

>8 heads tall
Nope.

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Asians have higher IQ than Whi*es

Source on most? I know many artists who draw from memory, tracing is not inherently bad as long as they're not ripping off other artists work, drawing from observation is similar to tracing too but yields excellent results.

Greg Land

Are you for real? Manga artists have to put out stuff per week while taking liberties with the level of detail for art.

>race baiting this much
Oh so it's a troll thread.

Typical bandwagon faggot. Land's problem isn't tracing per se, a lot of people trace, some people straight up paste highly-exposed photocopies on their work and most of the time you barely notice. It's just that Land, Larroca and even Hitch are so fucking lazy and obvious about it that it becomes jarring.

One artist does not equal most artists.

Thats one. Here's two more, Larocca and Deodato. Out of dozens and dozens of people working on western comics.

I can guarantee you that if not most, let's say, a fourth of artists working on both manga and the west are constantly tracing and using photo-references. They're just not lazy faggots about it.

Not a source. If Manga artists trace they should trace better artists in general.

When manga artists trace its mainly backgrounds. or buildings. Really most of the time in drawing superhero comics is spent drawing backgrounds since most cape stuff is in modern cities.

>Mangaka pay for assistants out of pocket
Didn't the publishing company try and force Naoko Takeuchi to take an assistant for Sailor Moon though?

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Backgrounds are fine, I was mainly talking about human figures and proportions though.

>T-they don't trace!!
>Tracing is fine if I say so

Stop moving goalposts. Tracing is fine. Some manga artists are shit, most likely the lot of them if we're being honest.
Here, have a good mangaka who traces dailymotion.com/video/x3y7htn

I was talking about the figures user, not the backgrounds, make up your own mind on the subject as you want.

Not moving any posts.

Cool, thanks user.

American comic books release every two months because they argue American comic books has colors, standards and follows humane work conditions. But there are new types like Graphic novels that release complete and webcomics model that release on the whim of the author.

Japs has different comic magazines that release either weekly, bi weekly, monthly and the stupid rare quarterly release. Japs also have authors that release at stand alone comic events like comitia and comiket. Japanese also adapted webcomics release model.

Most of what /ic/ knows about jap comics are those in Weekly shonen jump (weekly release) and hentai manga (release dependent on magazine).

I used to work at DC later in the pinoy illustrator migration to America period. The experience was great, pay was great because more people still bought comics that those who read off of photocopies of their Friend's comic. I left DC when I felt paranoid that american comic indstey will finally crash after I saw how great Blade and Xmen 1 movie. Thought all comics will go straight to movies and become glrified storyboards.

I completed architecture in the philippines then after passing the board and completing 5 structures and decided to try in Japan comics. I met people who release doujins for comikets and these people's production schedule is similar to majority of American comics. Quality of art isn't really dependent on relese schedule

Not really.
Most of it is, at worst, on par in terms anatomical accuracy.

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>all this shitflinging ITT
Manga artists produce 5 pages a week because that's what the publisher demands, because the publication is weekly/monthly. If they can't keep up they get replaced by someone who can.

Western comics publishers don't demand as many pages in the same time-frame, whether because of demand, business model, or whatever, and so less pages are produced per day.
IF there was a big change in the demands of the publication, demanding more pages in less time, there's gonna be a lot of artists who get left in the dust and a lot of others who adapt and learn to keep their positions/take better ones.

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Most Manga shit is not anatomically correct tho.

Because nips aren't real people

I will list the reasons:

>they work much more hours and much harder
Japan have a culture of working yourself to death, Oda sleeps something like 3 hours per night, and the rest of the day he is drawing One Piece, western artists have human like working hours

>more simplified art style
Sure there are manga like Berserk with intricate cross hatching, but overall the style is much more simple while more elegant, not to count that it being black and white you can get way with doing no background at all in some panels

>assistants
Not all of them have it, but some of them can have a dozen, they can do inking, backgrounds, whatever bothersome detail the main artist doesn't feel like doing

>The artist and the writer are the same most of the time
This is a smaller factor, but a manga artist can just pick his pen and start to draw, while a comic artist is working with a writer, the dinamic between them is time consuming

Inoue takes his time on his pages like American artists do though

Y'know, there's got to be a way to write this better. I don't really like America Chavez or anything surronding her but you could do a lot better than this. This dialog literally reads like a reddit post by some dude. This is not how women talk when they're enamored by another couple.

It's Disney tier shit dialogue.

I wouldn't even call it Disney, Disney would hire someone more competent. It literally reads like something someone here would make in order to false-flag or something.

Is it really that hard to write "gosh they're cute" or "I'm so jealous" instead of like "this is a victory for all women" or whatever.

>I wouldn't even call it Disney, Disney would hire someone more competent.
Yeah no.