Why is she such an enjoyable character?
Why is she such an enjoyable character?
Intentional furry fapbait
Because she isn't written by Ken Pontac and Warren Graff.
This isn't a deviant art character?
Here she is drawn by Yuji Uekawa.
Any drawings of her by an actual good artist?
those logs and crotch are out of control
Shes basically a Sonic-verse equivalent of rainbow horse.
What if Penders wrote her.
This is real?
She looks like a Sonic character
She's not. At least not yet.
Then she would have probaby fucked a skunk by now.
This. How do Pontac and Graff stay employed?
Remember that time they admitted to not knowing the plot of Sonic Adventure? Despite writing this garbage being their fucking job?
>Guy who created her seems to have the worst grasp on character writing on the comic.
>Is going to push her in an annual and entire miniseries instead of letting other writers take a shot to see what works first.
>Company write ups keep talking up how beloved she is when the other new girl has a bigger following.
It's like watching a car crash in slow motion.
>Guy who created her seems to have the worst grasp on character writing on the comic.
Was that someone other than Ian Flynn?
No. There's another writer I guess you could argue is worse at that, but Ian's strengths are decidedly not in dialogue or choreography or establishing new characters. Both in and out of Sonic he's much better at stringing together existing threads.
Still better writing than Forces, 06, and Unleashed.
"No, it wasn't somebody else," or "no, that wasn't somebody else who isn't Flynn?"
I agree with everything you said, but is Ian the one pushing Tangle?
"No, it was somebody else"*
I meant to lead off with. Now it looks like both options are the same.
Forces wasn't Pontac and Graff? Damn, I'd really like to blame them for that shit.
They tweaked the English script a tiny bit, but the bulk of it was already written by Nakamura, the writer of 06.
Worse is that when you really think of it you could of easily of gotten the spark notes from literally anyone and it would of taken like twenty minutes tops if you wanted to be VERY specific. Its Fucking Sonic Adventure not Planescape Torment, half of the plot is X goes here and fights Y.
"No, he created her and is going to be writing all her stories." Whether he wants her to be a big deal or IDW does (probably the latter), he isn't the right guy to be writing stories starting OCs. The Tangle/Whisper story for the annual wasn't very good at all. Someone else really should have handled it if they insist on giving them a mini.
Yeah, Ian struggles with OC's. I think what hurts him most is said OC's have next to zero lore, so he doesn't get to extrapolate with interesting ideas on how backgrounds intertwine. And that's IDW's weakest point from what I've read. Everything is puddle deep and will be for years.
Impossible. She's not an echidna.
She gives me Tracer vibes. I wonder if she was the inspiration, like how Quiet is obviously the inspiration for Whisper.
>Unleashed
Kill yourself nig.
You stupid nigger zoomer you just don't see it yet
Hershey the Cat.
Quiet isn't Whisper's inspiration. It was an OC an artist made in Forces. If anything she's inspired by Sniper Wolf.
I could see her being a sort of midpoint between Sniper Wolf and Quiet. But come on dude. Her name is "Whisper." The thought definitely crossed her mind.
>Whisper
Is a reference to the Wisps she uses you fucking idiot.
Her gimmick is also being soft-spoken.
>sonic comics learn nothing from their Penders days and continue to push out uninspired furbait oc donutsteels
I'm glad nobody buys this shit
Tangle has a fun powerset that actually works well for a Sonic character as she essentially has a werehog arm attached to her ass. In the theme of go fast she can slingshot herself and others to zip around.
Currently she's sort of an hyperactive, tag-along ditz though. The latest issue and the annual did a good job making her expressive.
You need characters to have a comic, dude. You can't just have Sonic vs. Robotnik and sometimes Knuckles, Tails and Amy. Even for a sitcom setup, Boom required a few extras.
And this is supposed to be an adventure comic. Of course they're going to need a cast.
her design is cute but she's boring as shit so far
>whataboutism
Classic shitty bloat of Sonic’s endless friends. We already have Amy being a fan girl why do we need this bitch?
He wouldn't need to do this if SEGA didn't permaban half of the total Sonic cast into the "sealed" chamber. Only the Sonic Heroes cast is allowed to be used, and anything from Boost era that isn't the villains besides Zavok.
Lol
I don't know why my post got deleted but yeah, I tend not to see fapbait where it doesn't exist.
Artist?
sssonic
I don't get why people always remove the sig, they know people want others to shill the artist anyways.
Probably not, actually, given the creator actually talked about the process. It went from an OC to a wisp gadget person to represent Forces, to "Whisper" because pun to Whisper the Wolf because alliteration and she's a sniper. Metal Gear didn't invent quiet snipers, by the way.
>b-but SEGA
Fuck off. The Babylon rouges were just used in that special.
I wonder how musky is that tail
you mean like the other Sonic characters?
And? They used them in Forces Battle, those aren't sealed characters, just the more rarer choices
Or are you going to say Blaze is a odd ball considerer she hasn't made a mainline appearance in Sonic since Generations?
>by Nakamura, the writer of 06.
Why does this guy still have a job after how many flops?
Because skintight pants > no pants
Rouge, Adventure era Amy, and?...
I already ship them. They are cute together
user's half right, though, as all characters created before Sonic Adventure who didn't get a redesign by Heroes are off limits. That counts as the "Classic" brand.
These
She is?
Japs do not fire their kind, at most they demote them. You have to quit to leave.
Retard
(You)
You need to prove yourself otherwise, the proof is already been the case for Japanese for decades.
When do they have sex
I think all Sonic females are good for human D
She's not, you're just an incel furry and would fuck literally anything. I hope you get ants in your dick
Will Tangle be a lesbian?
If anything the ensembles of new characters we'd get were what made Archie interesting, especially once the softboot cleaned everything up. IDW in comparison has so few that the mainline characters' mandates really slow the comic down.
>getting a miniseries with the other dark-skinned stronk woman
>written by the guy that pushes SallyxNicole
95% chance says either "yes" or "subtle idea yes".
For a moment I thought she was going to dab.
She's not trash like Shadow.
I like her, she's fun and cute. Sometimes she goes overboard though. I want to know more about her. She seems to have a great relationship with Jewel despite being vastly different.
Hideki Taniuchi and Kenji Yamamoto you racist bastard.
This, shes closest you can get to Dash from mlp in Sonic in terms of personality.
I think all Sonic characters are good for human D
Needs more Whisper.
Who owns the right to Tangle? Sega or IDW?
Shadow dabbed before it was invented, he's way ahead of his time and therefore cooler.
>Racist
Fuck off retard. See this
quora.com
And read the 4 quotes to not get fired in Asian lands.
Both those two you posted did illegal shit and got fired for it. Plagiarism is UNIVERSALLY a crime to all businesses, expect China for reasons. And drug charges are indeed, a crime.
Hopefully next few issues
Their tails will make an interesting sex combination
>Shadow dabbed before it was invented
Irrelevant.
> he's way ahead of his time and therefore cooler.
Lel
You're getting a mini of both of them soon.
>Moving goalposts
Fuck off. You were the one to claim that Japan never fires anyone.
Fine taste.
She's very uninteresting so far, so that very well might be the replacement for having a personality.
Shit taste
Like, are you just being stupid on perpose?
This post ask why x isn't fired
came after, which is not false based on the original question (getting fired for making shit products)
Now you are sperging out because it doesn't fit your natttive
Japanese do not fire unless it's literally illigal shit involved, which is universal business related, nothing else otherwise. Aka, they don't fire their kind just because someone made a bad Sonic game. If this was ever a point, Sonic would likely be a dead IP since no good dev stays to deal with the bullshit Sonic brings, and all the bad ones that would stay, would get fired for it.
>People are fans of the girl with tits/a demure disposition/some form of trauma before she even does anything interesting.
Strong Bunnie/Nicole deja vu here.
>Metal Gear didn't invent quiet snipers, by the way.
How disingenuous. We're talking about snipers defined by how little they speak. Not "snipers who don't make a lot of noise out in the field." Quiet is an obvious high profile example in recent media. So don't pretend it isn't a logical connection.
It's not even devu, virgin neets just want tits and ass, no matter what it's from or on. Yea Forums did it to the plant thing from some indie game, Yea Forums is a longterm furry board thanks to Disney's furshit era being their upbringing.
>Quora
Wow, what an amazing, unbiased source, some comment from literally who.
You might as well have linked directly to another comment on Yea Forums. It would carry just as much weight.
Says the same thing on Wiki, which people also discredit these days
I don't give a shit you don't agree, what's stated is stated, and this shit isn't fucking new info.
>We're talking about snipers defined by how little they speak.
But Whisper isn't. Shit, she's said more than Charmy so far. She's just shy and speaks softly, which doesn't describe Quiet at all. And, again, her own creator compared her to Sniper Wolf, not Quiet which makes perfect sense if she has ties to Infinite, not Quiet. Just because a sniper named "Quiet" exists doesn't mean all quiet snipers created after are based on her.
>perpose
>illigal
Oh no, it’s retarded
No, it doesn't mean they're automatically based on her, but it's a logical connection to make, christ, give me an ounce of credit here. That's all I'm asking.
She is not.
>I'm glad nobody buys this shit
OH NONONONO
graphicpolicy.com
Sega
On the most basic surface level, sure. In the same way I could assume Mordred Hood is based on Solid Snake because his Solid body is made of Metal and Gears, and he's in charge of Tactical Espionage.
Aside from "one is called Quiet, one IS quiet, and they're both snipers," there is nothing connecting them at all, and being quiet is an assumed trait of Snipers. You made a dumb assumption and are doubling down because you don't want to admit it's a stupid thing to say.
>Strong Bunnie/Nicole deja vu here.
How are they similar at all?
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You sound like a fat autist irl lmao
>this isn't enough for you
The absolute state
I don't really know much about modern sonic, but she can sit on my face anytime
>Can't follow a conversation, immediately resorts to "well you're FAT and STOOPID."
Take the L, Billy. It's better than seething over being insulted in a Sonic thread.
No bro your point is very very stupid
>"She did a bunch of very important and skillful things off screen."
Wasn't enough for me with Sally back in Archie, isn't enough for me here. Backstory doesn't replace agency.
Nah, your point is garbage
It was a pretty poor comparison.
This thought process made sense fifty years ago when we had less properties all around
Different user, but they're similar breeds of waifubait. The hot, kindly girl who cares very much about other people and is coping with their past. It's the nerd fantasy, YOU can help her move on and be happy, she's just so wonderful and she'll be ever so appreciative, you might even hit it off!
>inb4 you call that reaching
It's literally Bunnie and Antoine's relationship, as well as reboot Sally/Nicole and what people were invested in Shard/Nicole for.
It was like comparing daredevil and batman
Bunnie was a loud outgoing southerner, whisper I quiet negress
The hell does that even mean? Characters who the plot tells you are big super important tend to not be as interesting as the ones you see do shit. Hell, we saw this a few years back in wrestling with Roman Reigns, and Captain Marvel is failing to resonate right now.
>You need characters to have a comic, dude. You can't just have Sonic vs. Robotnik and sometimes Knuckles, Tails and Amy.
Wasn't that pretty much Sega's intention? They gave IDW a ridiculous list of constrains, which included focusing on game characters and limiting the amount of OCs.
>fell in love with Tangle for these exact reasons
>feel her and Whisper are at least good fits for the universe
>find myself growing irritated by fandom shipping
>know it'll only get worse if Ian "lesbians, btw" Flynn strikes again
One day the [Separate the fandom from the content] lesson will actually stick for me.
Whisper just jumped out of a flying thing last issue, there is so much shit out you aren't will to give anything a chance to take off
The more of us there are, the less significant we are as individuals
I like both Tangle and Whisper
Who gives a fuck? You can still enjoy het porn of them getting dicked by Humans.
Well yeah, although Bunnie isn't very loud. It's a comparison of shared waifu elements, not "Character X and Y are the same," at least I hope it isn't.
I can read, your logic just made no sense. Nicole and Bunnie did loads of things before people became fans of them. Bunnie was in satam and near the beginning of Archie as a main FF and Nicole was a main source of info and hacking for the team and right before gaining her lynx form she saved all of Knothole and built a whole new city for them, protecting them constantly afterwards.
I like the wisps
Why do you need such a self insert you fucking neet? Go be pathetic somewhere else.
Also why the fuck are you capitalizing humans for?
I honestly prefer Tangle x Blaze.
>pathetic
>says the loser who gives a fuck about fandom shipping
LOL
>Whisper just jumped out of a flying thing last issue, there is so much shit out you aren't will to give anything a chance to take off
What? I'm just saying she's done piss all to actually establish herself yet, mostly because she's barely been used. That doesn't make her a bad character, I'm just saying she's mostly popular for being a waifu, not for her role in the story or what she does. She'll get a chance to become more fleshed out over time if they give her more panel space and stuff to do.
Oh man, this a whole discussion about the difference between a plot device and a character with their own agency and I don't even wanna start. The crux of what I'm saying is these characters gain a fanbase for their desirability as a cute girl before any sort of "wow remember X, Y and Z" actually pops up. But I'm leaving it there, I don't wanna do this deal. You're right, they did a whole bunch of things.
>>says the loser who gives a fuck about fandom shipping
Not me, you must be talking about the other retard. I'm actually only here because Sonic threads attract me no matter what.
>Bunnie was in satam
These days I'm not even sure she was. Rotor got more screen time, and he doesn't even show up on screen for the finale.
Does anyone actual like Tangle, Satan?
Not same user but I have two points:
1) I keep hearing conflicting reports in terms of mandates; either they’ve said that SEGA have been more lenient with Flynn and co. creatively in comparison to the Archie days or SEGA is super-invasive and goes full-ham on certain aspects
2) The size of the cast post-Generations is perfectly fine for a comic as long as the stories don’t get too big for them to handle but you will need to have original characters as a way to have the world react to what the game cast do and also be surrogates for the audience (which Tangle is supposed to be, but her execution falls rather flat)
I get what this guy is sayings. Both Tangle and Whisper are decent characters in terms of idea/concept, but what is shown hasn’t been enough to . I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again: only giving them a spotlight issue and then a back-up role in the climax of the first season was a bad idea, they each should’ve gotten full arcs dedicated to them instead.
Which one is OP? I need to set my guidlines
Like both new OCs more than the FF falafam
Both feels more "Sonic" core than the other oc. Whisper is even Buddy from Forces
>Sega "mandates".
Flynn just can't write.
I do love that spandex
>Telling people to stop fighting is bad
K mods lol
As it turns out being fun adds like a 5 to likeability
>this post was deleted
What are the unpaid laborers even doing right now?
I appreciate the thought you put into this
I like the fact we saw what happened to Bunnie, but Whisper is a mystery
We have the clue that she is very angry at Shadow though
>either they’ve said that SEGA have been more lenient with Flynn and co. creatively in comparison to the Archie days or SEGA is super-invasive and goes full-ham on certain aspects
The former is what IDW has said, the latter is what fans have assumed due to Ian's issues and how they've been written. I'd lean towards the former being true given how the annual has some stories doing stuff Sega might have been iffy on before (a character going entirely off model for the sake of the story, Silver and Blaze's situations aren't quite as static and they're allowed to interact proper now) and the general laxing up on artistic depictions (Rouge is allowed to have cleavage now, for one thing).
I like her too. I just want her to get some nice stories under her belt, maybe get tossed around as a supporting character under some of the other writers to see who does her best.
Doesn't she already have a thing for Blaze?
>I keep hearing conflicting reports in terms of mandates
Cause Sega is inconsistent. Ian has said they sometimes let him get away with things he's surprised by and sometimes they're strict on other things, and they flip flop on them eventually.
It was deleted for asking for lewds. You're lucky we don't still have that one guy who was deleting any Sonic thread that started with an image of a female character.
Yeah, I hope the payoff for that goes well. There's a chance it could be lame, but since Ian likes Shadow it'll probably be a big deal. I'd rather it happen sooner than later, but...
Flynn deconfirmed that in a podcast.
That's because Ian's dense, user, and I only say that because we've seen the things he's surprised by. He made a huge pre-emptive apology post on his forums for Sonic Universe 50 because Sega didn't want Metal Sonic yapping all day and all night and he assumed fans would hate it...and everyone loved the issue because Metal was in character. He was surprised that his idea for krudzu robot Nate Morgan coming back was shot down by his editor. He was surprised when an editor for a company that *sells harem comedies* picked the romance focused story pitch over his other two pitches.
He doesn't understand how people view brands, he can only see it from his perspective as the writer.
Damm, I'm not even furry, but these are for sure making me want to be one. Its just a shame how much Sega mishandles the Sonic series(especially with the new upcoming movie), wasted potential all around. I would have been a huge sonic fan right about now if it weren't the case.
>deleting any Sonic thread that started with an image of a female character.
based.
You fags belong on trash
That post literally did not ask for lewds, all it said was that the character wasn't sexualized or fapbait. Which she's not, they don't even attempt to portray her as attractive or sexual compared to someone like Rouge.
>I would have been a huge sonic fan right about now if it weren't the case.
I'll just ask this, were you born when SA2 came out? Because Rouge was already like this fanmade shit, but actually canon.
Because you're a kindergartener that still thinks Tigger is a role model. Tangle's whole gimmick is that she's GENKIIII~, mischievous, and causes just as many problems as she solves. If it wasn't for her tard wrangler Jewel, she would have slipped on a banana peel to her death years ago. She took Amy's energy the latter so could take the obligatory Sally role as Comrade Amy Rose, General Secretary of the Resistance (and the Restoration) instead of keeping her actual endearing traits. There's no reason for her to exist, let alone get as much of a push as she has, when characters like the Chaotix and Team Dark have gotten next to no development.
>Visible camel toe.
>Hips wider than shoulders.
>Tits almost as big as her giant Sonic hands.
Someone was modelling characters with one arm.
I mean you're not wrong, but I think that's more of a symptom of the way the story is approached. If the first year had been episodic instead of "look here we are introducing each character in sequence in a "plot" that totally connects" we would probably have a good feel for everybody by now.
>I'm not even furry, but
These are the same people who came up with the classic embargo and 2 worlds just to avoid being consistent and degraded the characters into cheerleaders for years. I'm banking more on them not having any idea what they want to do.
>the classic embargo and 2 worlds
Despite being annoying, these make sense from a business perspective. "Two worlds" is something Sega itself only respects in the original context it was mentioned, IE "either it's all furries or all humans." It's a good idea because it keeps a lot of questions at bay from most people's minds. The classic split is just jewing all licensees to paying twice to use anything classic.
>She took Amy's energy the latter so could take the obligatory Sally role as Comrade Amy Rose,
Nice cope. Amy hasn't been the trashy Japanese Misty arktype since Unleashed. Ever since 06 killed the series Amy was toned down to the point she's far more likable to people, and as of Forces, the actually official SEGA content, had Amy the "Comrade Amy Rose" as her official characterization. She's not the 12 year old pre teen fantasizing about Sonic's blue cock, she's actually be responsible and, wait for it, MATURE, like all the other teenaged Sonic characters around her age. If anything, Tangle is just the old Amy without a love interest to force it on.
>He made a huge pre-emptive apology post on his forums for Sonic Universe 50 because Sega didn't want Metal Sonic yapping all day and all night and he assumed fans would hate it...and everyone loved the issue because Metal was in character.
Are you talking about this?
Jesus reddit
So does all capeshit tbqh
>Amy hasn't been the trashy Japanese Misty arktype since Unleashed.
She was the same in Unleashed, just calmed down a bit because fans were complaining she was becoming a psycho. She then went on to have no meaningful roles until Forces, where every character is written terribly.
You're kind of a bitch, huh?
Mostly this. All SEGA did was "if we focus on humans, it's all humans, if not, it's not. They never really cared if it was ever meant to be some autistic mash up of lore for Sonic, just random shit happens, and sometimes it's human related. It's literally like Zelda, but made even worse by the autistic as fuck fanbase.
Imo they shouldn't even have bothers with humans this way, they should have just made the Modern universe the 3D era of Sonic exclusively with human characters, and classic stayed 2D with no human connections outside of "Robotnik".
>it keeps a lot of questions at bay from most people's minds
It doesn't answer questions, it raises even more questions!
Yup. I guess I confused the number of paragraphs for volume of text, it isn't "huge." But yeah, he undercut himself thinking people wouldn't love it, and it became a fan favorite issue.
>just calmed down a bit because fans were complaining she was becoming a psycho
>just calmed down a bit
Like I said, retard. And even more each game since. She's closer to Boom Amy then anything now, with Tangle being more like pre Heroes/Battle GBA "psycho" Amy.
Same
I would lie if I said I wouldn't want to fuck a mobian girl.
oh no, not another fap thread
>created a whole world with countries in Sonic Unleashed
>had the perfect opportunity to make a different world and set of countries in Forces that would completely support the two worlds bullshit
If you're going to kill my favorite team of non standard freedom fighters, you better fucking commit to that worldbuilding.
They're only three feet tall, user.
Even better.
Did they even do anything?
>it became a fan favorite issue.
Moreso because of Shard than Metal.
UH, ALL THE SONIC FANS OR FURRIES AS I LIKE TO CALL THEM, GET OFF THIS COMMUNITY BECAUSE IT'S FOR NORMIES ONLY, UNDERSTAND? CAUSE IF YOU DON'T I WILL MAKE FURRIES CATTLE AGAIN!!!
A bit of both. People had been clamoring for Metal to stop being a jobber bitch for years.
Ironically, he won the fight by blowing himself up.
>It's literally like Zelda, but made even worse by the autistic as fuck fanbase.
Sonic lore isn't even that complicated. They made a non-issue a problem by suddenly introducing inter-dimensional travel that no one ever mentions and don't explain how clear mobian locations are in the human world.
>They made a non-issue a problem by suddenly introducing inter-dimensional travel that no one ever mentions and don't explain how clear mobian locations are in the human world.
Sonic X. They worked on that project personally, on the level of the IDW comic, even more so because it was made in Japan. Most of the content in X is what Iizuka claimed to be part of the canon.
Lmao pussies don't bulge that much. Anybody that finds this image hot is actually just gay for a pair of balls snug in spandex.
You can't prove me wrong, so don't bother replying. I see so much art like this where its clear that the artist just wants balls while pretending to draw a pussy. All puffy "vaginas" like this are just a Freudian slip for wanting balls. Fucking fags. Get laid.
>by suddenly introducing inter-dimensional travel
They never actually say it's that.
I don't understand what the issue is with just having the humans and furries coexist without any explanation.
this
O boy Ken 2.0.
Wake me when we get to the law suits and Tangle-su chronicles.
Not them but I'd only really agree to that because that pic was drawn by a closet faggot to begin with.
Yeah, they did. Iizuka explicitely said there's a portal between the two worlds.
That's how people realised he was serious about the two worlds thing and it wasn't just a metaphor for games having different types of settings.
>Sonic X
Oh you mean the anime that contradicted events from the games and even has the plot point that Sonic and friends can't stay on Earth otherwise it would freeze time?
Tails
>Tangle the lordosis lemur
Yeah, that one. The thing that was created by the same people that made 06. I didn't claim it made sense, I'm stating SEGA is retarded and cannot into longterm story telling and consistency.
>Iizuka explicitely said there's a portal between the two worlds.
Not in a game he didn't.
Iizuka makes up explanations outside of games to cure fan autism. The games themselves leave things vague in service to the brand. That's where you get "you only see one side of the moon" when the real answer is "having a broken moon can hurt future storytelling opportunities, we're just going to ignore it."
No point in discussing with the autistic people who demand realism in their furry art anyways
Ian isn't that far gone yet.
Less incapable, more don't care. The brand is what matters above all else when it comes to Sonic.
Psychoparasomacticism.
She looks like she is having fun so readers empathetically carry this feeling. Like seeing someone laugh. The horrible thing that if you don't get this feeling then you have autism.
Which Ian Flynn disregarded in the tie-in comic and let Sonic's gang stay on Earth forever.
Or it's written poorly. Or that specific type doesn't work on you for whatever reason. Or you're intensely cynical.
Reminder two worlds is canon in the IDW comics
Mr. Flynn, get down!
Bunnie was one of the most developed characters in Archie. And Nicole had a solid story as well long before her body.
I don't know what you define as interesting since B was the early strongman of the group and Nicole went from smart ass computer to mary sue.
that's pretty hot, user.
No they didn't do anything. They existed so ian could satisfy his lore boner.
No, they existed because Ian really wanted to do something with Dulcy.
It was the first time he ever wrote her.
>Bunnie was one of the most developed characters in Archie.
I won't disagree, she and Antoine were my favorite Archie characters. I still think she did piss all for most of tge comic, but that's more a criticism of how writers handled the cast.
>And Nicole had a solid story as well long before her body.
She had like three stories before the lynx form in 155 and they were kinda all shit.
>I don't know what you define as interesting since Bunnie was the early strongman of the group
She definitely got off better than Sally, Antoine and Rotor. Problem is that's not saying much and she pretty much changed functions starting with #41. And as much as it sucks, most of the fanbase didn't really give a shit about her until the early 2000s when they started drawing her with titties.
>Nicole went from smart ass computer to mary sue.
Yeah that's kinda the rub there. She wasn't a character until she got the cute form, and then she was kind of a flawless Mary Sue waifu, and then they tried to actually do something with her once fans latched on to the hot computer girl.
buns and woofs
No, user's got it right. They were created to fill out the checklist of allied groups in each region. That was kind of the problem with the reboot, like half of the "worldbuilding" was making things to hit a quota instead of to tell a story.
Am I the only one super disappointed by the IDW comic? When Archie got cancelled my first thought was "finally, maybe now we will finally get a Sonic story that won't waste time on shitty out-of-place war drama," and yet what we got was pretty much not!Archie.
I just wanna see wacky and fun adventures with Sonic, I don't care about this dumbass war or Sonic being part of the "resistance" or whatever, I just can't take any of this seriously at fucking all. It's just such a shame I can't enjoy the comic because really like these new characters, but the plot takes itself too fucking seriously.
I guess i just have to keep my fingers crossed for a Classic Sonic comic series, like those Mega Drive specials Archie had but never got finished. Those were the best, imo.
On an unrelated note, does Sticks appear in the IDW comic or is she still a Boom-exclusive? Just out of curiosity.
Sticks is on the "Do Not Use Ever" list, so no.
Almost everyone on Yea Forums is either disappointed or hates it outright, and Sticks is gone for good.
No, plenty of people have whined about the same thing. I recommend the Annual, it's basically exactly what you're asking for. Also, nobody outside of the "Modern Sonic" brand is allowed in the comic. No cartoons, no Boom, no Classic, nada. That means no Honey the Cat or Hard-Boiled Heavies either, those are technically Classic.
I doubt Sonic would ever be like this by anyone that literally aren't Classic era entusacts. Modern era is far more well known by the younger demographic then classic era's stuff. I think the most that loved Mania and Mania Adventure ranges from the oldest of Genesis fags to the 20-ish age of Normalfags. Otherwise, it's either the SatAMfaggots or the SA2-06faggots. And the latter is the one crying the most right now since Mania has singlehandedly pandered to the people like you and even me.
>Company write ups keep talking up how beloved she is when the other new girl has a bigger following.
Porn doesn't count!
*enthusiasts
They won't even allow Cream to be used anymore. Apparently, SEGA considers her to be a Sonic X character.
I never liked the idea of sonic ever being part of any resistance. He's a cool bro who chills and rolls.
Even if we ignore porn It's a perfectly valid metric for Z-tier characters , Whisper has been getting more consistent fanart, is regarded with pretty much unanimous positivity compared to Tangle's more iffy reception, and is generally talked about more. Tangle got a huge boost from being pushed with the series launch, but Whisper's had a stronger long term reaction.
Sega of Japan actually likes Sticks. So she has a better chance of showing up again.
That's fake shit, don't believe in that crap. They only have that issue pre 06 era because she was injected into X before SA1DX did it first. She's in Forces Battle ffs, they, much like many other characters like Blaze, just aren't popular enough to use for the games. Sonic, Knuckles, Tails, Amy and Shadow is the main five to use, anything else is the Chaotix, and lastly Big and the Babylon Rogues for spinoff shit.
Cream's showing up in #19, user.
Don't believe everything you read online.
Cream is going to be in issue 18.
Tangle is POO POO.
>like Blaze
Blaze is pretty consistently #7 on Sega' s hero hierarchy and shows up in stuff that requires 8+ characters, she just bows out on plots because of her prohibitive backstory.
>does Sticks appear in the IDW comic or is she still a Boom-exclusive?
No but Ian seems hopeful she's open due to her appearance in the Olympics and Sonic Channel comics.
What's her problem?
The readership is manchildren, it definitely counts.
That was only when the Sonic X comic was still running.
He called her friend weak.
>I never liked the idea of sonic ever being part of any resistance.
Technically he isn't.
Oh wow, really? Guess I'll check out the annual then, thanks for the tip. And yeah, Honey and the Heavies are some of my favorite characters, along with the Hooligans; it's funny that the Hooligans and Honey appeared in Archie just fine but IDW is a nono.
Wasn't it reported that a surprising amount of kids played Mania? I could be speaking out my ass but I don't really see kids being turned off to it, it's a pretty bright and colorful game (though at the same time kids do typically want more mature games to prove their maturity, but w/e)
I mean that's still what I said, she's lower on the "to use list" and using "duties" as an argument when fucking Knuckles the Master Emerald guardian exists, means jack shit, especially to Blazefags. Hell the same should count for Silver, which I forgot to mention before, which got over Blaze.
You're both wrong! Clearly The End is the inspiration for Whisper. Only a stupid person would not see it!
Really though, I think Mariana and other snipers from Valkyrie Chronicles is a part of that. Whisper is basically the denominator of a lot of female snipers from videogames.
Not gonna lie I fucking love what they did to Dulcy
Her redesign is so fucking good. But then again I suppose it's not at all hard to beat her SatAM design. That was the ugliest shit ever.
Shadow can be kind of a twat, unintentionally or not. He probably said something that irked her, though whether it was directed at her or not, who knows?
That still factor into "Normalfags". Some kids still tried to play Boom last time that game was new, so it's really not the best ballpark anymore. Sonic was renowned good in the 90s because all ages enjoyed his games.
She probably got fucked over by the Shadow hallucination. Or whatever the God awful plot of Forces was. Fuck that.
>it's funny that the Hooligans and Honey appeared in Archie just fine but IDW is a nono
Because the Archie comic started during the classic era, meaning the license still included all the classic elements, as well all as the stuff from the dic cartoons.
It was a loophole that Sega begrudgingly accepted.
>When Archie got cancelled my first thought was "finally, maybe now we will finally get a Sonic story that won't waste time on shitty out-of-place war drama,"
This just tells me you never actually read the reboot.
Silver and Knuckles are more popular but are also easier to write around. Hopping between Sonic and Blake's dimensions canonically tears both apart, it actually demands explanation where Silver and Knuckles showing up makes sense if things are dire enough.
It's a little of both.
Which one?
I found some guys who think it looks 'distracting.' Of course these are also assholes who think they should put their own signatures because they editted the image.
Real shitbags when you try to talk to them about it.
Cream was in Sonic Advence 2 and 3, Sonic Heroes, Sonic Adventure DX (albeit only as a cameo), Sonic Chronicles, Sonic Generations, and Sonic Free Riders.
Did Sega just go straight up Brain dead?
>Hopping between Sonic and Blake's dimensions canonically tears both apart
Only if both sets of emeralds are left scattered in one world. As long as either Sonic or Blaze have at least one set with them, there's no danger.
how did they let this absolute semen demon into a children's franchise
Tails would be even more perfect if he were a girl. Agree or Disagree?
Turns out you can really move copies when you don't hire pinkos who only have writing experience from constant twitter posts.
Supposedly, Sonic X preceded all of her game appearances in Japan, and so SEGA associates her with the anime most. Ian had to argue otherwise for years before they finally let her appear in the mainline Archie comics.
Eh i read it, still wasn't a fan. Yeah it was better but the Freedom Fighters and all the returning, super old villains like that weirdass witch irked me too much.
Good. This thing better sell.
>fem tails
It's shit
It has the same writer as the previous comic.
No but the three hogs would
False. He's much cuter as a boy.
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I think that was just to justify why she proceeded to shoot lots of things and how silver likes her.
Disagree. Because "everything" is better as a girl, fuck off with this incel shit.
I think it was foreshadowing that she didn't want to be seen by Eggman's forces or be in contact with Shadow.
>Fem Shadow
How much would of an Edgy Tsundere would she be?
It'll all be over soon when IDW dissolves their book publishing department because they still can't find a buyer.
How come?
We already know the answer to this.
Just like regular Shadow only she insults people more than usual.
Oh relax. They'll be fine.
Except they're looking for a buyer because their investors think they're sitting on a gold mine.
They're literally only selling to make more money than they're already making, not because they're in financial trouble
These are gonna age poorly if it turns out she's a stone cold assassin merely pretending to be shy.
No one actually knows what rules are in place or how severe they are enforced. I could say bullhockey like Amy is never to be shown eating or Tails is never to appear closer to the foreground than Sonic and when it does happen its because SEGA is lax. I can say it, its ridiculous, but you can't disqualify it because we don't actually know.
unlikely, but that only makes them better. Seeing art from before character reveal is a great way to preserve audience perception from olden times
I like how their Breast Sizes correlate to how much Chest Fluff their Male Counterparts have.
Silver has the most Chest Fluff so Female Silver got the Biggest Rack
Shadow and Fem Shadow are both in the middle
Since Sonic has no Chest Fluff, Fem Sonic has a DFC
That's because you are men of taste and culture
>whisper I quiet negress
WTF? Whisper is a cartoon wolf, not a black human.
Do you think there's no Widowmaker porn?
Last issue she kind of went, "Flippy" by putting on the mask
Yeah I noticed that too, nice attention to detail. I'm sad that DLL deleted all of her genderswaps.
Right. They're rolling in cash despite publicly revealing their negative income reports. They're making bank despite having the umpteenth percent share of the market. They've hit the jackpot despite firing their CEO/co-founder due to low sales, and then re-hiring him again, and still not seeing an increase in numbers.
You're talking about their tits, aren't you?
You don't have to be a furry to fap to furrys.
>I just wanna see wacky and fun adventures with Sonic
>wacky
I don't know why you thought you would get that anyway.
They'll pull through. Stop being so negative.
Think he means Penders
Oh no.
Emil Rose is cute.
Nice one, saved for personal use
>Sonic isn't in the fight
>Everyone is days from annhilation and a six month losing streak.
>Sonic takes action.
>World goes from nearly conquered to saved in a matter of days if not hours.
The resistance was more of a patch to try and compensate for no Sonic.
Sonic didn't really need to join as much as everyone needed to follow Sonic's lead.
A sniper wolf? Really?
Sticks is the one character I think Ian excels at writing.
Left, for reasons that are within my rights to not disclose unless court ordered.
Don't have a clue who this is.
But dem hips look nice.
Don't
I mean Sitterson. He was a writer hired by IDW GI joe and is the kind of writer killing the industry and IDW. Penders is a lot of thing but I think he is at least not a commie.
Do
I don't who who this is, or where it comes from. But I want to fuck it.
I like the white eye fur stuff. Without she looks monochromatic.
This is what made sally so popular.
Penders is a radical liberal though.
Sonic needs equality in clothes between males and females
Gross she's all naked and shit, what will trap the oder?
She's a reincarnation of Maria, but she has her memories.
I like to think that the female mobians that wear clothes do so because they have genitalia. Those that don't (like Sally) are just men who got implants but didn't realize that unlike Male mobians, female genitalia was outwardly visible.
Wut
Can't characters in this shitty setting just be normal with normal motivations.
He's kidding. Sega forbids the use of dead characters anyway.
You do not want those sweaty odors trapped, they need to be let out slowly. Also, she bathes, so its not that much of a problem.
edgy
>Sega forbids the use of dead characters anyway.
>What is Tikal in Runners
Where's her pants
why would she wear pants?
I do
>mobians
That term's not canon.
What's the appeal of Sonic at this point?
The same as it's been since the post Genesis days: The characters
I play the 2D games. I stopped caring about 3D era. And mostly I hate the modern day fanbase.
She's essentially a living spirit. Not dead.
Good 2D games and cute designs.
>living spirit
She's still not dead.
The OST.
Yeah, this too. I wish Kirby and Sonic could have switch places. Nothing about 3D era Sonic was worth it in the end...
It gave us Unleashed and SA2
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Nostalgia and hopes for better days.
Why is she being so heavily pushed?
Keeping Sega alive long enough to actually use some of their other IPs.
We just think about the good times, and they will come back again
Most people hate the former and mixed on the latter.
This doesn't cover the 15 odd years of fucking furshit and other cancerous crap that has millions of people bashing the series for how shit it is. I hate caring anymore.
To make everyone forget the SatAM cast.
WHO ARE NEVER COMING BACK.
>Guys let us establish the IDW world for a year THEN well talk about the Freedom Fighters uwu
Clocks ticking, you PR asshat. No weaseling your way out of this with non canon side comics to wrap up the reboot timeline in 4 convenient issues either.
user I don't know how to tell you this, but Ian lies occassionally.
Besides, its the editor that said that.
>ss2sonic
You can blame the fans as much as you want, ultimately it's really SEGA's fault.
Mania was great, everyone aside brainlet contrarians with shit taste loved mania, then SEGA kept doing their stupid bullshit again and again.
SEGA is run by mentally disabled people that don't know what the fuck they're doing when it comes to sonic.
That's the spirit. I can feel the sunshine.
>Image Quality is subpar
>Signature is cut off
Must I live with such horrors?
I SAY THEE NAY!
next Classic game when?
100% ownership rights of Sonic being sold to Evening Star when
It's not fucking fair man...
That only has a chance of helping Sonic adjacent franchises like Nights, Ristar, and Billy Hatcher. Sega is still doing stuff with Yakuza, Valkyria Chronicles, and Phantasy star, and of franchises they own but are not directly responsible for SMT/Persona, Bayonetta, and Total War are all pretty active.
Make everything lewder
>not super sonic racing
How come? Did she delete anything else? DLL was the best fanartist
Because that's from a different song, user.
b-but Jet Set Radio... and Crazy Taxi... and Ecco... and Comix Zone... and Super Monkey Ball...
This. This so much it hurts.
Walf
and Phantasy Star. Even getting Phantasy Star Online 2 finally would make me a happy boy
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Honestly the concept of a classic style cartoon character going on amazing adventures.
If Mickey Mouse was allowed to do Kingdom Hearts stuff without all the deeep philosophical naval gazing anime nonsense in the middle.
The idea of a classic rubber hose white glove wearing do-gooder with a sense of joy from adventure and a snide attitude toward his enemy has major appeal...
It just needs, you know, talent and writing to make it work.
We don't live in a world that would only allow one to exist. Classic and modern are both fucking fun. has it right that you blame Sega. Don't try and brush aside modern games as fur shit when they have their own fans. You're being unfair as shit.
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>If Mickey Mouse was allowed to do Kingdom Hearts stuff without all the deeep philosophical naval gazing anime nonsense in the middle.
You know there's a ton of Mickey comics that are exactly this, right?
>You're being unfair as shit.
I'm not the normalfags that keep bashing the series you little shithead. I DID like the modern era, but that's massively hated on and it hurts trying to keep liking it. You're not making my feelings better by stating the obvious, you're making it worse by stating the obvious. To fans at least, while the public keeps laughing.
>b-but Jet Set Radio
The extreme sports games fad has been over for a while. The failure of that most recent THPS didn't help make it look like a viable thing to bring back.
>and Crazy Taxi
Would have to be a budget game these days, given open world games often include mini-games based on it.
>and Ecco
Appaloosa Interactive, formerly Novotrade International, is no more.
>and Comix Zone
Everyone involved with that game has moved on.
>and Super Monkey Ball
Has had more games than most Sega franchises, and most of them weren't good. Amusement Vision only made the first two, and they've been dead since 2004. Toshihiro Nagoshi is too busy with the Yakuza franchise these days.
I want a lot of these games and more to come back in some way myself, but the problem for so many of them is that gaming is just very different now, and it's hard to convince a big company like Sega to focus time on games that are either niche or look more like modern budget titles.
Also, this is one of the few comics that hasn't degenerated into a depressing melodrama or is pushing some type of agenda.
>Super Monkey Ball
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You know, if you like the modern games but are tired of normalfags laughing at you, you could always post on /sthg/ on /vg/.
A magical place composed entirely of autists that jack it to 3D sonic all day every day.
The price to pay is that as a kneejerk reaction they now hate all 2D sonic games so it's a trade off.
Not him, but personally while I love my fair share of Modern games, the fact of the matter is that Classic (in the most public normie view) has a much better track record. Modern is the one that put out all the stinkers everyone hates, despite having tons of good games. Classic in the public perception is a good boy who has done no wrong, by comparison. I can easily see Modern being slowly ditched in favor of the more positive image Classic has overall, perhaps someday seeing Modern characters appear in Classic games.
Classic is the most technically good games of the bunch. They're usually decently lacking of glitches and such and have very solid gameplay mechanics.
However. I think they're fucking boring and I don't like the classic character design and the levels all look super boring too and samy
>The extreme sports fad has been over for a while
Uh, from what I've noticed JSR has been the #1 most requested IP that fans have been wanting Sega to revive, usually just for the style alone. I think you're kinda underestimating its popularity personally
>It was deleted for asking for lewds.
that's fair; I meant moreso in terms of aesthetics and setting rather than gameplay, but I imagine Classic's gameplay philosophy will start leaking into whatever other games end up coming out.
The problem with Sonic is that because each game ended up varying so wildly in terms of who it appeals to, there are hundreds of different types of fans with wildly different expectations and preferences for the series. Sega literally cannot please everyone; what I do think though is that eventually they'll start narrowing down what they want Sonic to be, and chances are that it'll be the style of Sonic that has the most goodwill behind it; that currently being Classic.
My prediction could be totally off-mark and I doubt this'll happen fast or soon anyway, but it's just what I see happening.
I could not care less for people I don't even know laughing at me for enjoying things.
If they really did decide to phase out modern in any capacity, I would walk away from the series, full stop. I love the Classic games since I grew up with them, but they're only a part of the series I love.
Tangle, Whisper and Sticks are unironically better designed characters. Makes me wish the Sonic franchise can just be rebuilt from the ground up.
Maybe rip off Splatoon a bit since they have style.
To prove my point, despite loving a lot of Modern games I think they're boring and I don't like the modern character design (and especially their stiff animation, fuck that) and the levels all look super boring and samey too.
...See? It all boils down to taste in the end.
Salty. Also there's far more interest in Sonic Adventure than there is classic sonic. So get fucked, classic cuck.
The only faggot that made the twisted the Internet's perception of SA2 is a small dicked adulterous pedophile
SA2 has been, and always will be pure fucking kino, no matter what era you played it in.
Honestly this. Modern Sonic aesthetic is kino.
>Nobody ever what on SA2 before this guy.
Shoo shoo, zoomer.
learn english first before you ever try to type again
Hey, I agreed to disagree. I like SA! Only one buttblasted here seems to be you, user :p
also,
>using google statistics as if it's valid
So I'm assuming that if someone genuinely dislikes SA2 then they're just a faggot contrarian, according to you?
SA2 has it's flaws, and it's gameplay choices won't appeal to everyone, but Projared was a faggot who thought his opinion was fact.
See this is the shit I'm talking about. I can't like anything because fucking idiots like have to be spiteful bigots. The most loved Modern Sonic games are actually the 2D versions of them, the Advance games, Rush and even the Boost era like Colors, which was mostly a 2D game more than 3D. The only regarded fully 3D game was the Dreamcast games, and Unleashed for its ambiguous. Then you have all that other stuff people outside the fanbase bash to all hell, and then SEGA makes it worse by fully endorsing the release of 06, Boom and now this fucking trashfire of a movie. How can you honest to god use charts as a fucking example when most people today keep fucking calling out modern day Sonic's bullshit? At least I'm not delusional to deny the faults and can understand the general view on Sonic, and how they favor that "90s innocences" more than anything. Meanwhile I'm always haunted by Rouge porn, memes, and literal pedophlic degenerate shit that happens with Tails all the god damn time.
This isn't fucking fair, I wish I never had been a part of any of this, why does anything Nintendo be so sacred to people but Sonic gets endless trash? Stop downplaying how much people fucking DESPISE this series deepdown with "people still like this 20 year old game". THE SAME SHIT APPLIES TO THE NEAR 30 YEAR OLD SHIT TOO YOU FUCKING IMBECILE.
Not him, but post more Rouge and Tails you say? Can do
Thanks for the ant drawing.
Thanks for the better quality, user
Daily reminder that Sonic sleeps in a racecar bed and is therefore a badass.
Come on mods. This thread is just Sonic Female Furry Spam. I do my best to report all the furry shit to get this thread deleted. And yet? Nothing is done. Come on delete this spam of furry images.
And others that are not him sleep in a big bed with their wife or husband.
Big Think: Whisper doesn't like Shadow because Infinite was her brother and he made him into meme he is today
Right? I'd hate to be them, the faggots.
Infinite was a jackal, Whisper is a wolf.
>shoes on the bed
She was adopted after she was orphaned by the war.
>everyone aside brainlet contrarians with shit taste loved mania,
Or maybe because they don't like 2D gameplay. Crazy right?
Objectively speaking, why? This is like saying all 80sfags can't into 3D games.
Not him, but as a Classicfag myself I can see how some Sonic fans aren't into it. Classic gameplay forces you to earn speed as a reward by manipulating physics; 3D Sonic games all downplay the physics and momentum to varying degrees, and make "going fast" just a given. Some people just prefer that, and it's totally fine! Otherwise Boost gameplay wouldn't have any fans at all.
Good point.
>tfw Mike Kanterovich was the literal anti-Ken Penders despite looking extremely similar to his buddy.
>Huge fan of all kinds of nerd shit and got to work on a bunch of different properties for an extremely short period of time, pretty much all of it is good.
>Never took himself seriously and had fun making goofy, weird books for kids.
>Realized when it was time to hang up the pen and got a normal job while still going to cons and stuff since he just loves comic books.
>Dropped off the face of the Earth to live his own life in privacy.
We didn't deserve him, but I wish we just got him instead. The few stories he helped Ken write have a sense of humor, and if his work at Marvel was any indication he would have put out some pretty crazy books.
Gotta go with this
Whisper was apart of Jackal Squad despite being a wolf and when Shadow kicked their asses Eggman and Infinite punished her
While you havw some valid points I think you're getting a little to mad about it.
How many of them are in english?
Fuck, why did I choose now to visit you Yea Forums?
It's a cool character design, but I've always found prehensile tails/morphing limbs to be badass.
Really, a lot of the newer characters have pretty solid designs. I think the Sonic Comic style would work well for 2D animation and would shamelessly ape their design language if I were trying to make a webcomic.
I think its good to have OCs that are clearly actionable into the modern games.
I'm not against the SATam and other OCs but i never thought they really fit what the sonic games are. Really they would fit a game like Shining Force more than anything.
>I'm not against the SATam and other OCs but i never thought they really fit what the sonic games are.
They absolutely 100% do not. I'm fond of SatAM characters because of nostalgia, but they come from a completely different school of design. I appreciate that Tangle is a character based on a gimmick that would have gameplay implications, and seems mostly in-line with the game canon cast.
I don't think her personality is quirky enough, but that's a different matter.
>they come from a completely different school of design
Its not like Sally has to be bottomless or anything. Amy changed designs since her classic days. Most everyone was cool with the reboot looks as well.
I'm not just talking about the clothes. Not even just looks. I'm talking about everything. Including their personalities and the fact they aren't designed around gameplay gimmicks. Tangle's tail has gameplay implications. Sally was designed around being a busybody snarky princess to contrast Sonic's (at the time) irresponsible "I do whatever I feel like" attitude.
At least Antoine could do a spin dash in the reboot.
I need her in dolphin shorts right now.
I feel like Bunnie ended up fitting the Sonic design principles reasonably well. The others, not so much.
Vanilla
>not Cream
begone, normal
Ian fans love to blame Sega for everything he does wrong, so don't trust what anyone says about mandates.
>I think the Sonic Comic style would work well for 2D animation
Imagine if a Sonic cartoon gets greenlit and got ducktales reboot treatment. Oh I wish that would happen but with Sega, its a pipe dream.
Bunnie is pretty good for that, I agree.
Tangle and Jewel were kind of their own game idea
Which one is the best for sitting on my face?
Okay I'm scared now, if Tangle actually liked someone she would go apeshit
Depends. Do you like ASMR?
...a p o l o g i z e
Or tail shenanigans?
Depends. Would you prefer the one that makes the cutest noise, or the one that smushes your face into the ground intentionally?
>pic related
I prefer the short fur to the fluffy fur
She doesn't trust those black creatures.
There is no proof Whisper bathes
The post-boot Freedom Fighters would probably fill out a beat-em-up or dynasty warriors roster pretty well.
If something were to actually use their ties to the kingdom instead of trying to write it off as quickly as humanly possible, it would shave off a lot of the discomfort towards their designs, since they would become 'stylistic' instead of 'outdated'.
That goes for personality as well as visuals. Giving them stable roles would do wonders for their likability in general.
Not that any of that's really on the table, but hey. I can dream, right?
How about that Jewel? Pretty picanté
The problem with that is Sonic games play fast and loose with canon. There is no static kingdom that we return to. In fact, there seems to be multiple takes on what the planet Sonic is on is even like, and it changes from game to game.
I think establishing something like the acorn kingdom is a good idea though. Having no anchor to past games hasn't proven to be a big boon to the franchise. In fact, it just confuses fans more than having some kind of timeline would. Just make sure you don't start establishing this solidified idea of Sonic's world while Pontac and Graff are still allowed to write the plots. Fuck them laying any kind of groundwork we'd be stuck with.
Just gonna jump in and say Sally planting bombs makes for a pretty dope game though
Poor Ian has been forced to reboot the continuity so many times at this point that I worry that he may automatically do so at the end of every major story arc now, as if by rote.
The setting of SatAM is incredible for its own kind of game. That SatAM game demo they showed off wasn't "Sonic" enough though. Stealth and waiting for enemies to pass is so slow. You probably could make a good Sonic game with stealth elements, but that demo looked really clunky.
I think it'll be up to fans to make a better proof of concept for how a SatAM game should play. I wonder if they ever will.
I really want Tangle and Whisper in a game
Tangle will play like Ristar and Whisper will make the whole thing into a run n gun
Oh yeah, because SEGA never makes a Sonic cartoon.
Would you?
>ducktales reboot treatment
You mean it gets animated in cheap flash, and Sonic is sidelined for quippy smart mouthed younger characters like Cream to take all the screen time, while having an absolutely butchered "quirky adventure girl mary-sue" lead role?
Could just make a game where Sonic is not the focus, he can appear, but not playable. But Sonic is a budget series now and doesn't get the kind of funding or sales for that kind of shit any more.
Disney deciding to air the Webby-centric episodes early on and out of intended order really broke you people, didn't it?
That feels like giving up to me. Sonic can still be the lead. Just give him more things to parkour off of and less direct means of attack, like causing environment kills, or a focus on ambushing enemies from behind to dispose of them.
Besides, having someone other than Sonic be the lead is also pretty unlikely to get funded, because Sonic is the money-maker. If you asked someone who should be the star of a SatAM game, I think you'd find people would still expect it to be Sonic.
>ducktales reboot treatment
Marketed as faithful to the source material but instead being a cheap knockoff of Gravity Falls? Weird pipe dream but ok. Sonic already is like Ducktales reboot in that it tries to mask its own shit in a veneer of nostalgia to hide from criticism anyway. "Yes they changed everything about the characters, often for the worse, but look this scene in this episode was a visual quote of a Carl Barks panel, don't they love the source material so much, stop complaining!"
The characterization was abysmal in every episode I saw. And Webby is far from the only problem. The nephews are about as bad, and every episode not about her was about them.
There's nothing about what I'm going to say that will matter anymore, but fuck Shadman for making this blow up. I already want the movie to fail, but don't make it worse by doing the pic related effect and leeching on porn edits. I know, it's Le Green Arrow Man, but fuck people like this one, so shallow yet people actually like shallow faggots like this.
Whisper would have to collect Wisps for ammo(and all those modular effects), Tangle would have Jewel to guide her and be something to grab
>Could just make a game where Sonic is not the focus, he can appear, but not playable
So like what Sonic Forces was going to be? SoA and SoE aren't going to allow it.
The characterization is fine, outside of the terrible idea of making the nephews distinct characters and screentime hogs to begin with. Not a damn soul asked for that. Sonic is already the quippy, smart mouthed young character in his ensemble, so he'd be fine.
...so does shadgod have ascends to the level...?
Wow people suck. Just accept the uncanny until you adjust
>Jewel's shell is heavy and unbreakable
>Tangle uses her as a projectile
I like it. Reminds me of cream, but you would actually have to aim. Predictive trajectory mechanics might appeal to the physics crowd, and the mutual exclusivity of her tail as a weapon and as a mobility aid would be great for giving the level designers something to work with.
Well no Jewel is for protecting
Yoshi's Island was best game sure
Grab and swing I meant
>Not again!
Who was it that Whisper had to watch be flung to their death by Shadow or a Shadow illusion
Her boyfriend!
Thats some hateboner you have there just to ignore their dumb practices.
>Bunnie was one of the most developed characters in Archie.
This. Not that I really cared for her but the comics do feel rather shallow without her and the rest of the old cast.
An example of not knowing how good something is till it's gone.
>When Archie got cancelled my first thought was "finally, maybe now we will finally get a Sonic story that won't waste time on shitty out-of-place war drama,"
What a horrible opinion!
Let's just say Nicole was uploaded into Sally and they lived happily ever after
It's a pity they keep churning out new shitty character after new shitty character over at SEGA when they have a vault full of classic characters like the Hooligans and Honey that they'll never touch in a million years.
>Cream gets a 'best friend'
And you imply right to my face you would not watch
Agreed. I love her soft spoken nature. She also apparently doesn't like anyone getting too close and will push you away with her gun.
>the faggot actually reported most of the images and got them deleted, despite it being on topic
Imagine going onto a thread full of content you dont like, and being mad that it isnt full of stuff you like.
Shooty shoot
I realize now that Gangsta's Paradise was chosen for the Sonic movie because the lyric "Tell me why are we so blind to see, that the ones we hurt are you and me" apply perfectly to Sega.
I didn't really have any expectations for them. No disappointments so far. I'm enjoying the ride, but it's not mind blowing or anything. It has opportunities to go in an interesting direction so we'll see if they go with it.
I found the color version anyway
Still waiting for my Fiona and Storm clones
Why did they go with Gangster's Paradise for the movie trailer it makes the whole thing feel off.
Is the trailer the reason we haven't gotten it in Jojo?
no
Part 5 EDfags getting BTFO was glorious and takes me back to everyone pissing and moaning about the Part 3 ED not being Holy Diver.
PEEPEE
Holy Diver would make more sense for Part 6 even if it's a Dio song IMO.
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Her big-dicked human boyfriend (Me)
rip in pepperonis user
yeeted off a building before he ever got to show his mobian gf his giant human dong
Holy shit that's cuter than The Chipmunks. That's PIKACHU LEVELS OF ADORABLE.
Now all we need is for Pikachu and Tails to be female.
There will be justice
Goodnight I guess
Sonic's design should be more prevalent in background characters.
>not liking Unleashed
I used to think you were okay, just okay but you know what, fuck you Boco. Go die in a hole you fucking faggot.
Do you mean some background hedgehogs?
Not just hedgehog, any animal. I think it would be a much neater aesthetic.
Unleashed's only saving grace is the daytime stages.
The plot sucks and you know it. The nighttime stages suck and drag on for WAY longer than the daytime stages, meaning you spend more time on garbage than you do on the good stuff.
I understand liking it, I like the daytime stages too, but you Unleashedfags can fucking never accept the fact that their favorite game isnt perfect. You're almost as bad as SA2fags.
>being this triggered because you're under the implication I think Unleashed is a flawless game
Don't you go losing sleep now, Timmy.
Tangle and Whisper becoming playable in TSR fucking when
>"Fanboys are unreasonable and excuse all flaws with a scapegoat."
>"Wow, nice hateboner."
Bitch are you stupid?
Infinite.
After I get the Babylon rouges
>make a team racer
>don't include the team that debuted in a racing game
Fucking retards.
>Makes fun of Sonic Adventure 2
>gets metoo’d
Arin Hanson is next, screencap for proof.
>t. butthurt footfag
If only I knew how good we had it...
Realistic whisper is horrifying and looks like she'd fit in better with paramount sonic.
>Sonic comics
Degenerate garbage. Literally fan-fiction tier.
Shitters like you always act like Ian has 100% control over the comic, so yeah automatically disregarding any info that goes against that narrative is sign of an impressive hateboner.
>automatically disregarding any info that goes against that narrative is sign of an impressive hateboner.
>"Not every single thing bad about this man's writing is out of his hands, people use Sega as a scapegoat constantly" = "This man is responsible for everything that ever happens in the book and I am ignoring that other parties are to blame as well"
What's it like crawling up your own ass?
Nice backtracking. You're the one telling people not to believe anything about mandates.
Is the IDW Sonic any good? I've been on the fence about it since it released
Nope. You're better off sticking with Archie Sonic to both read stories you have liked and laugh at ones that are so bad.
I'm not the user who originally said that. I just thought you calling that user's advice a hateboner retarded. Besides, their advice is solid: nobody actually knows shit about what Sega is and isn't cool with, so anyone going "UHMMM SO THE MANDATES SAY THAT" is full of shit and should be ignored. That's putting aside that EVERYONE who doesn't work on creator owned property has to abide by what the licensor/company/editors want. You don't see this excuse trotted out for Transformers writers or the people working at Marvel and DC, who often have to deal with wishy washy bullshit and rewrites at the eleventh hour.
Ian's not to blame for everything bad about his comics, but people who go "BUH MUH SEGA MANDATES" should be ignored. It's almost always baseless speculation meant to absolve him of responsibility.
Sonic Adventure 2 is dog shit.
>I'm not the user who originally said that.
Way to get offended on someone else's behalf.
>nobody actually knows shit about what Sega is and isn't cool with
The comic staff do.
>inb4 "b-but but ian always lies!"
Yeah yeah.
>Way to get offended on someone else's behalf.
I'm not, I'm calling you a dipshit.
>The comic staff do.
Yeah, so unless you're on IDW's payroll, piss off with that excuse. The only things we know for certain are that humans and furries aren't supposed to show up side by side and IDW can't use "non Modern" characters with their initial licensing agreement. Everything else is speculation and excuses. Judge the comic on its merits instead of excusing shortcomings.
He's right, you know.
Putting him in these situations always looks fucking stupid.
Depends on what you're looking for.
I don’t really understand what the problem is with this and why people get so hung up about it. Doesn’t the Mega Man franchise do the same thing? Why aren’t people upset that Roll or Auto and Eddie don’t appear in the X franchise and are only in the classic games? Besides the Modern cast is big enough already while the Classic cast is only the main five, and Honey and the Hooligans are more aesthetically and conceptually attached to the classic characters anyway. This just seems like people grasping at straws to me.
...that’s actually a good point; why aren’t the Babylon Rouges in TSR?
What the hell would you look for with IDW Sonic? Everything related to Archie non-Penders stuff has been purged entirely with no prediction of its return, and its general awful quality neither has ever improved so far since its first issue, handled by a "writer" with zilch of qualities except that he's not Ken Penders. IDW Sonic has no point to exist.
Sonic Adventure 2 was hated long before YouTube was even a thing. You were just too young to notice.
Why are you still reading it then?
I'm not sure on what made you to assume I'm reading it, but I'm not, and neither am I buying any of its issues. Actually, I'm instead re-reading Archie Sonic stuff.
Okay, now what would sonic look like by that proportion scaleing
>I'm not sure on what made you to assume I'm reading it
You said "its general awful quality neither has ever improved so far since its first issue", so I assumed you've been keeping with it.
Well for the most part, the classic Mega Man cast is canonically dead in X timeline, being 200 or so years into the future or some shit. The "Classic era" before the Generations split was meant to be a mere few ~months before the events of Adventure 1 happened, with the character design change being only asthetic and mostly to spite American canon Sonic. So in threry, none of the classic game characters should be mia in the Modern era, because it's not some massive time gap between the two. Until as of the recent Sonic content, where Sonic Team staff decided to up and separate the classic era content from the Modern era content permanently, likely even to the point they're stopping the use of Classic Sonic in Modern Sonic games and just letting Taxman handle classic era stuff now.
Ultimately though, you're right, because this didn't matter since Heroes since Iizuka himself canned any and all other classic characters like Mighty and Ray into the "sealed chamber" and only brought back the Chaotix to just retcon their original appearance as non canon to "his work".
>...that’s actually a good point; why aren’t the Babylon Rouges in TSR?
Obvious DLC.
Nostalgia (also Mania)
Racing spin-offs being decent
Still-solid character design and music
IDW and formerly Archie
Epic maymays
And above all else the ever-undying autism necessary to hold onto your prized childhood, even well past its parent company brutally raping its asshole for well over two decades. Add to that them finding a step-forward every few years before taking another several back.
>IDW
>appeal
lol
It's definitely low-energy compared to Archie, but it's picking up and getting interesting at least. This thread being full of Tangle/Whisper is enough proof of something "appealing" honestly.
Hey, the day levels are great. And Werehog isn't terrible, just unfitting for Sonic.
But fuck the story.
Why are people expecting so much from the comics this early in its run anyway? Archie didn't even get good until 100 issues in, like shit takes awhile for things to be build upon and set in.
Mating Pressing Whisper and then Tangle!
Because reboot-Archie didn't take long at all to go places. We frequently got new locations, characters and scenarios, plus Universe pulling off side-stories and filling the gap between mainline issues.
>Why are people expecting so much from the comics this early in its run anyway?
You're seriously asking this in this fanbase that keeps lapping up all the bad content Sonic gets? No one cares, the autism is too strong to let him go, even with this shit tier movie coming up.
Most comics don't take a decade to get good, the hell kind of question is this?
>Archie didn't even get good until 100 issues in, like shit takes awhile for things to be build upon and set in.
I can't think of a single comic where 100 issues of mediocre or bad writing lead to a meaningful payoff. Stuff like Daredevil and X-Men are better if you skip to the part where a good writer comes in, and very little of the old stuff even comes up.
Well it kinda helps that Reboot Archie started incorporating Unleashed, the game where Sonic goes on a world spanning adventure. Not to mention Reboot Archie already had Eggman on top, with his empire still intact. IDW has Eggman starting from Square one basically and has to establish every single new character.
It's way too soon for her to have her own comic.
>Archie didn't even get good until 100 issues in
100 issues in was knee-deep in Penders Hell.
There was nothing saying having a Forces-era story couldn't take them "everywhere" like the game did, Ian just decided this was the pace and approach to run with apparently. Assuming he's being honest about SEGA's mandates not being the entire reason of course.
>I appreciate that Tangle is a character based on a gimmick that would have gameplay implications
It's a shame then that the way she uses her gimmick absolutely sucks.
She should be using her tail to grab on to enemies and sling shot herself to them and swing around, bouncing all over the place like some furry Ristar. Maybe even use her tail like a Mace or a whip. Something that actually makes sense with her genki-girl schtick.
What does she do instead? Uses the tail like a clumpy rope and squeeze her enemies to pieces, then complains about the self-hurt.
Taht gurl takes the name "Tangle" a bit too seriously.
For IDW, this is a downright impressive show of self restraint. Their TMNT book got an also-running mini after FOUR issues.
>sssonic
>Sonic comic thread on Yea Forums
>devolves into endless shitflinging
Every fucking time. Why must this be?
Fractured fanbase ever since Adventure released, or hell even the cartoons.
If you're looking for the successor to Archie, this ain't it. Far from it.
if you're looking for a new take on the Sonic mythos similar to TMNT or Ghostbusters or Transformers.....yeah this ain't it. Really disappointing on that front.
But if you want something reads that reads like a really good Modern Sonic fan fiction, with more ties to the current games, zero angst, zero continuity problems and only a fraction of the OC furry porn, then.....yeah, this may scratch that itch.
If you want to get into this comic, just plow through Year 1, it's inconsequential. Year 2 is when things get kinda interesting.....kinda.
Honestly, there are better kid comiks out there, especially for a $3.99 price point. I feel sorry for those who have to pay to get this one.
At best they're kicked to the window staring apartment. It's what happened to Gunpei Yokoi
I feel like most people who are more kind about comics in general forget that other people pay per issue instead of pirating.
Shame he's seemed to fall in love with cock recently.
guy cannot draw dudes, they just end up looking like flat chested girls with gag penises
>guy cannot draw
The Classic/Modern/Human World divide has got to be the most retarded thing SEGA ever came up with
Even the Batshit stuff in 06 was better than this
I actually like the way he draws males
Silver's not a girl.
Not with that attitude
This is what happens when you try to pander to too many faggots. I'd kill off 90% of this faggy fanbase just to have one good side that praise Sonic like Mickey's Disney or Nintendo's Mario, just to spite all you autistic faggots.
As my first decree, you may only call her Princess Silver!
>ALL HAIL PRINCESS SILVER!
>Mario
>He doesn't know about Paper Mario Autists and Waluigi autists and muh Koopalings are Bowsers children autists
>Literally all of which aren't even something Normalfags notice, unlike all the cancerous shit Sonic always get
Try again.
WaluigiNiggers sperging out has been known in Gaming circles for years now
Only different is that they don't have guys like Arin and that SmallcockJared reminding the normies about it
and?