Vertigo Comics >>>>>>>>>>>>> Capeshit

Sure...after having already been around for a decade plus and interacting with the DC Universe as early as his 7th issue and having the JLA and Floronic Man appear in his first Moore arc.

Vertigo was the only good thing about dc so i understand why people tend to separate them

>GREENED
How can mammals even compete?

I like how Constantine does actually have a special magical lineage tho...

that was a terrible teaser
would have been slightly better without the terrible narration though

disgusting racemixing propaganda

There's a number of good Swamp Thing comics out there bearing a DC logo on the cover, can't recall a single good one under Vertigo

technically Moore's run is collected and reprinted under Vertigo

I think Vertigo separating from DC only hurt Vertigo, like so few of those Sandman presents are good.

Hellblazer has a lot of fucking trash lad. Not everything was sandman.
Half the best titles were DC then changed half way through to vertigo.

Then stuff like transmet didn't even appear on vertigo yet gets the vertigo banner.

He said he was working on some Constantine stuff not in the arrow verse so maybe, but he probably meant cartoons.

Vertigo IS DC, dude
Besides, stuff like Doom Patrol and Animal Man were garbage when they became Vertigo

Reminder that: Epic>>>Vertigo

Fuck off cunt. Delano's animal man is much better than Morrisons wank.
Milligan's run was shit and vietch was so so.

Reminder that Marvels was a 7-issue promo for the Epic revival

Fuck I meant Marville

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Marvels was only four issues, though

Is THAT supposed to be fucking Abigail?

fucking god damn quacks sick of being played around i need a us citizenship

>someone else likes post-morrison animal man
Nice
I also enjoyed all of Swamp thing until the daughter took over, even the weird swamp people stuff was sorta charming

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I'm gonna go ahead and say no from just looking at what they actually published

The Virgin Detective versus Sophisticated Suspense

Fuck off with your retarded Buddy becomes a monster, cheats on his wife while she travels around with a lesbian bullshit. And Veitch was the worst.

Dysart wasn't bad, but had to follow a very lame story by Diggle

>Dreadstar
>Moonshadow
>Airtight Garage
>Moebius series
>Akira
>Elektra Assassin
>Silver Surfer Parable
>Swords of the Swashbucklers
>Stray Toasters
>Marshal Law
>Fafhrd
>Alien Legion
>Starstruck
Shit taste much?

>Swamp Thing is VERTIGO and not DC

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Akira doesn't count

>Elektra Assassin
Only thing there I know anything about besides Akira (which I haven't read.) Everything else sounds generic and sorta shit besides Alien Legion.
Speaking of whick, redpill me on Alien Legion cause that sounds kinda cool. I love when comics just completely ditch earth and humans in general as the MCs

Moonshadow, Stray Toasters and Akira are the only true gems there and Akira is just a license and they still colored and flipped it, basically americanizing it.

>Then stuff like transmet didn't even appear on vertigo yet gets the vertigo banner.
V for Vendetta would be the better example.
Transmet's first twelve issues (out of sixty) were under Helix, but then that imprint folded, so the rest of the series was published under Vertigo

Butthurt vertiggers

>literally asking for recommendations and more info about something that sounded intersting
>b-b-ut much company wars
This is your brain on stupid

U mad vertiglet?

I think I had a Swamp Thing VHS tape as a kid and I don't remember it being bad, but I never had any thoughts about learning more about the character.

What's the main draw?

It's well written and nicely drawn, at times

His stories are a good mix of surrealism, horror and cosmic fuckery.
Also it's basically Moore's best work (at least IMO) so if you know anything about him that should carry a lot of weight

Yeah should have said global frequency instead too.

His best work*

* Outside his 2000ad catalogue

From Hell is better

I've committed to reading all of Swamp Thing in anticipation of the new show. The post-Moore, pre-Vertigo stuff has been pretty enjoyable, I'm on the Nancy Collins run now. I looked ahead and saw that Millar has a run coming up; is it any good or is it pretty much what you'd expect from him?

Miller's run is okay. Nothing spectacular, but he shows he can write now and then. Remember this was pre hype miller when he was still being tutored by Morrison.

The weirdest thing about the Collins run is that she was instructed to write Abby and Tefe out of the picture. Maybe because they weren't part of the cartoon?
Apparently the editors (which would have been partly Berger) told her to kill them off, and she decided to just divorce them instead.

>DC fan being a casual
Nice but unsurprising

I´m not Dkek because i dont read CAPESHIT made for 12 year old kids

Supposedly Millar's best and most mature work and the second/third best Swamp Thing run after Moore/Wein

Saga of the Swamp Thing is what made the character a household name for most comic readers. Moore took an obscure character and basically revitalized him like he usually does.

>innocent
You don't know that, user. Just wait for the series before making ill-informed conclusions.

Swamp Thing's Vertigi run has always been a part of the DCU, retard. He and John Constantine were a part of Crisis on Infinite Earths and there's that arc at the end where he goes to space and meets the New Gods.

>groot ripoff

Swamp Thing became Vertigo towards the end of the Nancy Collins run.

Nancy's run is getting an omnibus later this year (it's basically one huge back to basics run for normies that mixes the tone of the classic Wein run with callbacks to the Plasko/Moore runs).

After Collins were were a couple of fill-in issues before the Morrison/Millar run. Which isn't THAT bad but ended abruptly due to Morrison ghost writing it and Miller running out of material from Morrison to use. It's available in 3 trades.

The only run that hasn't been reprinted is the god-awful Doug Wheeler run (#88-113) and the last couple of issues of the Veitch run (#80-87).

Epic was garbage for the most part.

A lot of it was licensed work from other properties and there was zero attempt to cultivate a brand or provide consistency or tone. And the few hits they did have, creator-owned, left first chance they got.

Prior to Andy "Rape the Boys and Give Them AIDS" Khouri, Vertigo was carefully curated and they only published good books and cultivated writers doing long form runs and keeping their work in print.

Epic was "random shit that was deemed too edgy for the CCA that we won't even try and submit it to them" or random licensed works or edgy crap from 2000AD writers we won't put on mainstream books like DC does because we don't trust them.

Man turned into a monster, fighting other monsters and mad scientists and demons while trying to restore his humanity.

Moore turned Swamp Thing into a plant elemental who, for all intents of purpose was a CLONE of Alec Holland, but then backtracked hard and treated the reveal like Principal and the Pauper treated Skinner being a fake and handwaved it as "Swamp Thing is an elemental being that everyone treats as the real Alec Holland because no one wants to deal with the bullshit of the retcon" ala Simpsons and Skinner.

Well when you get right down to it, considering Swamp Thing had the memories and personality of Holland, it makes sense to treat him as basically being Holland.

Millar's run was ghost-written by Grant Morrison, who (publicly) took credit for cowriting the first four issues of the Millar run.

Morrison wrote a detailed outline for a 36 issue run that would have culminated in Swamp Thing #175. The run had Swamp Thing being forced to endure "trials" at the hands of the fire/earth/air elemental Parliaments in order to become a "planet elemental" entity and replace humanity with something less shitty.

Morrison cowrote the first four issues then gave Millar the outline for the rest. Sadly, Millar mismanged the outline and not only burned through the material at a rapid rate but also, had to produce filler material all by himself (these include the infamous "Imaginary Story" where Chester, Swamp Thing's hippie sidekick, renounces liberalism and becomes a 90s Republican cop who eventually becomes President, along with most of the "River Run" arc which consisted of alternate earth stories including one set on Earth 3 where an evil Abby Arcane turns her father into a scarecrow she rapes, then manipulates a dimension hoping Swamp Thing into killing the good guy Earth 3 Anton Arcane and then takes her aunt prisoner and decide to keep her as a toy that she and her dad will take turns raping).

DC recongnized that Millar fucked up and given that Millar's run sold badly, they both decided to cancel the book at issue #171 instead of dragging shit out for a couple of extra issues to get to the planned #175 climax.

It's got a lot of filler and you can tell the places where Millar was writing solo and not using Morrison's notes. But it's better than the Veitch and Wheeler run, but not as comfy as the Collins, Pasko, or Moore runs.

While most of the Swamp Thing franchise is part of the DC universe, the franchise was pretty much isolated from the rest of the DC Universe save for random cameos, circa the Wheeler run. And doesn't "properly" rejoin the DC Universe until Blackest Night/Brightest Day as far as everything from the end of the Veitch run through Blackest Night being apocryphal or broad strokes (IE Swamp Thing has a wife and kid, Arcane escaping hell)

>they only published good books
Preacher disagrees

>preacher isn't good

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Your opinion is shit and you should get educated

>Obscure

He already had a movie and the Wein-Wrigtson run was considered a modern classic that even the Comics Journal dipshits liked.

I'm both a Marvel and DC fan though

>including one set on Earth 3 where an evil Abby Arcane turns her father into a scarecrow she rapes, then manipulates a dimension hoping Swamp Thing into killing the good guy Earth 3 Anton Arcane and then takes her aunt prisoner and decide to keep her as a toy that she and her dad will take turns raping).
Jesus, I forgot all about this

Some of those Doctor Strange gns were under Epic as well, weren't they? Like Shamballa, StrangeDoom and the Oath.

yeah mate, fucking moebius, stray toasters and marshal law are very generic, run of the mill books.
Just google the fucking things you nincompoop, the only board that tries more to not consume the medium they're about than Yea Forums is Yea Forums

On Berni's strenght I got into that run and I feel very bad for Len Wein, the man was way above the big two average (for the time and certainly today) but a lot of his more famous creations eventually became classics on someone else's run.
Still, highly recommended, I even think Moore is trying to pull a "Len Wein" voice early on his run, but both suffer from the same verbosity problems so you kinda think its just Alan being Alan.
My books are borrowed right now but I wish I could properly give examples.

>That Starlin, Dixon and Lee shit

Those were just under "Marvel Graphic Novel." Starstruck was printed under one (reprinting material from euro magazines), then six new issues were printed under Epic.
Elektra: Assassin was the first actual Marvel thing published under Epic, and was done because the imprint was failing.
Being fully creator owned was Epic's greatest victory and failure. It allowed for lots of neat stuff to be tried, but Marvel itself didn't have any motivation to really support it because they didn't have any stake in the IP's.
A huge chunk of stuff under Vertigo was co-owned by both (or one party has copyright while the other has trademark).