Hey all! Act 2 update!

Sup Vris.

How's making out with a clown and overall irrelevancy treating you?

At least she isn't Karkat lmao

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I am literally a game designer and in most cases you are full of shit. Concept art may start at the same time as coding depending on the game, but in-game art doesn't.

All Nintendo games start with coding, and often get quite a lot of coding done before it gets decided what the game is even supposed to be design-wise. Splatoon's gameplay for example was fully realized and playable before they even came up with the characters being squids. They just used coloured boxes.

ONE DAY MAYBE
I DON'T KNOW
CAN YOU REPEAT THE QUESTION

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The thing is that Hiveswap doesn't HAVE anything besides concept art. That piece of art you see of the honey hive will be in the final game as the setpiece for that troll's hive. I guarantee it.

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>nobody cares
lol good job epilogue

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shiiiit

Well yeah, that's why I said it works for point-and-click games.

I'm only back here because of the epilogue. Only newfags who liked dumbed down Act 6 Homestuck didn't like it.

Reminder:
>this much time to make a game in the easiest genre in the easiest engine with a premade asset

>act 2
I'm not into Homestuck shit so this is vague secondhand info, but I thought there was some money embezzlement or something and this was lacking funding?

No, King's Quest stole some money but only around 1/5 of it. The rest was lost to Hussie's normal incompetence.

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Reminder that John ended up
>Bitten into and had copious amounts of cherub venom injected into his bloodstream, losing blood
>Had his glasses broken and his vision faded as a result of said poison
>Cut into by Terezi for emergency surgery to remove the tooth
>Beaten up and bloodied all over his body as a result of the kismesis sex
>Spent the last of his energy warping Terezi to safety, coughing up blood and dying a painful, slow death trying to tell her he loved her, despite not believing he could do blackrom as a human
>Didn't get a chance at resurrection due to said poison, so he doesn't get an afterlife or another chance, his soul was obliterated
I know humans are much more fragile than trolls here and die from mortal injuries much quicker, but I wonder if Terezi feels like she contributed to his death with how especially fragile John was there, and she should've taken it easier. His death was the most brutal of them all.

Then you're an imbecile.

Guaranteed you are underage and started reading Homestuck during Act 6 at the earliest.

Yes because pretentious character drama is absolutely what the earlier acts were like, and not at all a thing from Act 6?
Congratulations, you're a fan of gay fanfic.

Guys the epilogue makes sense that all the character are garbage because one time they mentioned something vaguely in the lines of how they act in the epilogues.
It's fucking brilliant, I don't understand where Hussie comes up with this stuff!

Can someone explain to me the phenomenon of Homestuck? And why so many girls are into it and cosplay those grey demons?

Gay alien porn.

I'd go into detail but the end result is pretty much about teenagers (fictional and non-fictional) having a lot of sex.

the flood of new pregnant jades is nice

So homestuck cosplayers at cons are easy lays?

The slutty jade cosplayer meme is a meme for a reason

Allegedly. I never tried it myself, but then again I didn't go EZ mode and cosplay Dave.

Though personally I'm more into Roxy. Would have been nice to get a Roxy and a Jane cosplayer at the same time. What's your dream Homestuck sex combination, user?

its always nice to see your meme become "the image that gets posted every thread", warms my heart

Poor stupid Hussie thought his epilogues would stop anything.

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oh 88y

Yes, most of them are freaky sluts. But you aren't getting any if you don't dress up as the character they ship themselves with.

The actual target demo of Homestuck was dudes in their 30s, believe it or not. It just somehow got appropriated by shippers along the way due to all the gray aliens being bisexual and polyamorous with a complex system of romance that involves stuff like love based on hate. Teen girls eat that shit up.

Raid'in time boys

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Fucking hell, so I can dress up as some grey alien and fuck teenage sluts? SIGN ME IN!

No, you dress up in a blonde wig, aviators, and a t-shirt and fuck questionably legal furries.

this shit be unpredictable than i thought

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Homestuck should not exist

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>fuck questionably legal furries
I'm not into fatties.

I mean it's more like this, but they'll insist on using a dog dildo.

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They're not fatties, and most of them are, surprisingly, very hot. The character is a furry, but not like that.

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Just google "jade harley cosplay" and consider that these are the types of girls you can fuck if you dress up like pic related, no matter how much of a tool you look like.

Or you could have, anyway, if you were here like 5 years earlier. Homestuck is pretty dead now and a lot of the remaining fans are SJWs, gays and trannies.

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So what am I missing by not reading the epilogue?

Literally nothing. It's a slashfic that wanks about metafiction. You can find thousands of them on AO3.

Alright cool. Thanks for validating my choices

nothing. in fact, youd be gaining by not reading it. dont read it.

There might be a resurgence of Jades looking to take out their epilogue frustrations on Dave cosplayers though. You just gotta stay in character.
I mean you might end up getting one pregnant but hey.

>Viz Media bought rights to Homestuck because they thought the brand was worth investing into
>Crunchyroll wants to make "original content"
Homestuck gonna get a show?

God i hope not
not with these new writers

The best thing to come out of Homestuck since act 5. Newfags hate it though because it ruins their dumb ships and fluffy headcanons.

What actually happens in it?

As you can see, the kind of person who likes it is this retard.

Does Hiveswap have a single Homestuck character in it? Or is it just “set in the same universe”?

It’s 200,000+ words and split into two realities. No summary does it justice.
People fuck a lot and Obama is in it.

Angst, edgy shit. Dave pines over being gay and constantly gives toxic-masculinity tier speeches, Jade's a homewrecker, Roxy is trans, characters constantly discussing "da story".

People aren't kidding when they say it's pretentious. The best thing is that Karkat at least sticks up for himself in one timeline and becomes troll emperor, but it's not worth everything else.

homestuck has at least 6 different universes so you’ll have to be more specific

All original characters, but enough cutesy references to HS to make it confusing for the uninitiated

Doc Scratch and Grandpa Harley (Joey and Jude are his offspring that he left, they are John and Jade's sister and brother).

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>Roxy is trans
Wow, way to ruin the only cute ancestor

Are you implying act 5 is good?

Oh don't worry everyone else sucks as well. It's just that Roxy is now RoXY.

I guess that’s enough of a connection to be considered a “Homestuck adventure game”. Some of my weird internet friends were saying it was “false advertising”

There's a canon and a non-canon path. The non-canon path pretends to be happy ending wish fulfillment for sappy fans but quickly turns into an extremely 18+ and extremely entertaining dystopian shithole which includes scenes such as John questioning if a child has been "bad touched by uncle Gamzee". It drove sensitive teenagers to threaten suicide at Hussie. Absolutely amazing.

The canon path features the final battle against Lord English fucking FINALLY, and Dirk takes over the narrative and becomes a supervillain after attaining his "Ultimate Self". He battles it out with the god tier Calliope over who gets to write Homestuck now that Hussie and LE are dead, and a lot of cool meta shit happens, including a Death Note-esque scene of Dirk trying to stop Calliope while being narrated against. John has steamy sex with Terezi in a car and later dies. It's also great.

that nickname just reminds me of my least favorite pokemon gen

There's two epilogues, presented as alternate timelines stemming from a choice this is false, there is no choice. In "Meat", shit goes down. People die, certain characters reach their logical conclusion, some are sacrificed. In "Candy", the world is presented as the "everyone lived happily ever after" scenario, except it follows that path down. Shit's not happy, some people even turn out worse.

For people who wanted a decisive conclusion, it's trash. But for people who want the story to continue, it's not half bad. And a primary focus for the main villain of the epilogue is "decisive conclusions are equivalent to character death and I REFUSE to let me and my friends die".

Roxy only becomes trans in one of the timelines, in the other one she marries John and has a kid.

She's still trans there

>a digital convention
so...a Skype call? how does that work?

>Dirk takes over the narrative and becomes a supervillain after attaining his "Ultimate Self". He battles it out with the god tier Calliope over who gets to write Homestuck now that Hussie and LE are dead, and a lot of cool meta shit happens, including a Death Note-esque scene of Dirk trying to stop Calliope while being narrated against. John has steamy sex with Terezi in a car and later dies. It's also great.
All of this sounds fucking stupid

Shut up tranny.

This. Living with Calliope gave her the idea that she didn't need to be strictly a woman and could be anything she wanted, but when she married John and became pregnant with Harry she was really happy that her female parts served a purpose and made her happy, so she stopped thinking about it. She brought it up with John when they were trying to rekindle their friendship 16 years later.

Good, because I made it up. Go read it, nerd

How the fuck does that work?

Well, we can't all have good taste. It's a mystery what you liked about Homestuck in the first place if this doesn't appeal to you though. Just like every "fan" who didn't like the epilogue.

That's because it is, we just told you.

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No. I refuse to read anything Homestuck related that isn't written by Hussie, or isn't specifically smut that caters to my fetishes

>He read homestuck for the hypertext elements
Are you the same stupid cunt that thought "meta" meant things like captchalogue shenanigans?

The meta shit with Hussie turning up was always retarded and some of the worst shit about Homestuck.
Honestly it's a mystery to me how people like you even got through the first few acts, since they didn't have any of the shit you apparently like

Yes, I’m every person who’s ever annoyed you. I’ve been haunting you for years.
Boo!

She explicitly decides to be trans in one timeline due to influence from the non-binary alien she was living with. The writers clarified that they wanted to show that people today aren't necessarily "born trans". Which every non politically correct person already knew - most trannies are just special snowflake attention whore nerds thinking the grass is greener on the other side. The trans Roxy timeline caters to those fags.

Except "narrators fighting over the story and it's all meta and SO deep bro!" is Act 6 bullshit, the same stuff you're railing against.
You keep going on about "real fans", but real fans were in it for Sburb stuff and the four kids' relationship, not whatever bullshit you're reading it for.

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Teens going on a universal spawning adventure, and Trollmance.

That's all you need to know.

There’s like three dozen different fetishes, everyone can find something they like. But on the other hand, I don’t know anyone who loves ALL of it

So what? She became a transman thanks to Callie?

An Ultimate Self breaks down the borders of awareness between oneself and all their alternate selves simultaneously. For Dirk, this also includes ARquius, Doc Scratch, and Lord English. Dirk's existence is cursed, doomed to be possessed by the dominating splinters of his selves that fell to evil, and his own cowardice in refusing to face the possibility of unexistence perpetuates his Ultimate Self's mechanical narcissistic evil.

The epilogue is written by Hussie retard. It just had details and "heavy lifting" filled in by other writers, just like Homestuck itself uses music and art from other contributors.

But it's not specifically smut. It fails my criteria

>The writers clarified
I don’t believe you unless you post a vague twitter screencap with no context!

>The epilogue is written by Hussie retard
It's funny to me that you believe that

Caliborn was the only good part of Act 6. And yes, the epilogue is like the Caliborn parts.

>written by Hussie
Per the actual writer, he wrote the outline and she wrote the majority of it.

>vague twitter screencap
Ah, you're THAT asshole. The one who gets mad when people are talking about the writers.

>True fans love Homestuck from beginning to end, even though it changed almost everything
What’s the name of this meme? I keep seeing it used and it’s really effective

Also, Calliope became even more powerful when she possessed a slain Jade and devours Lord English.

It doesn't have to be vague, there's a long twitter essay by one of the writers explaining it very carefully.

You are retarded.

Except Caliborn was good because of Caliborn, not because of the meta bullshit.
This is for you.

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Boo!____________

Idiotic cunts?
Corporate shills?
Pretentious idiots who feel superior because they slurp up shoddy quality products?

But that's not what I said.

>Rose sways suddenly.
>Dirk doesn’t reach out to steady her. Anyone else might have had the empathetic reflex to do so. Maybe it says something about him that he lacks this reflex.

>(Vriska) paws at her head wound, fingers numb and vision blurry.
>She sways on her feet. John tries to steady her, but she slaps his hands away.

>suddenly, terezi sways, feeling woozy. john reaches out to catch her shoulders, steadies her.

>One girl had no one to help, but didn't mind
>One girl refused help
>One girl desperately wanted help and found it

Please, Skype is dead. Digital conventions happen in Google Hangouts these days

This is like thinking that Hussie wrote Hiveswap or anything past the first friendsim.

It’s just “No True Scotsman” let loose on a highly divisive comic that spanned years and attracted many different fans, which is why it works every single time. I like to set it loose after 50 posts or so.

hee hee hee

Hussie wrote every plot point. Two other writers helped him write the dialogue. The dialogues that were written by Hussie personally were actually among the worst ones, like the Obama travesty.

Hussie long since stopped being good at what he does. You should know this after Act 6. Both of the two other writers are actually good, and both are completely shameless like Hussie used to be(one of them being none other than our very own ipgd). The epilogue is the best possible outcome.

>I was just pretending to be retarded

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>Posters: 22

If a Homestuck thread makes it to 50 posts, we deserve it

>For backers only
LOL

>John has steamy sex with Terezi in a car and later dies.
Gonna be honest this was easily my favorite part of it because how sincere and emotional this bridged bond actually was, especially compared to so many others in the comic, and I'd consider all the other shitty parts of the epilogue a necessary sacrifice just because of how good this part was.

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you realize then that basically this is you

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Is the daughter only named Jen because its the artists self insert

No? I understood the story of the epilogue and where it was heading, I just liked that part the best. RIP Roxy's character, but oh well I guess.

Kind of funny how even though both Equius and Nepeta are dead and gone for good, their souls live on through Dirk and Dave's Ultimate Selves.

It's not understanding it, it's ignoring all the rest of the garbage because your thing got validated.

why isn't jade allowed to be happy

I didn't say I ignored it, I said I considered it a necessary sacrifice. I don't honestly care about Jake or Jane, but it makes sense that Jane would end up tyrannical, especially when she was being directed by Dirk and Gamzee, both splinters of Lord English and Doc Scratch. Also proves ironic that the girl whose primary power is bringing people back to life and healing wounds becomes genocidal and inflicts more wounds than anyone else. She didn't even think to revive her dad, just used him as a martyr for war.

What shitty parts would you like to talk about, user?

ludonarracon.com/
>Developers and publishers will stream live on their games' Steam store pages with behind-the-scenes content, couch chats, and demo gameplay. Fans can get a look at the game without dealing with a crowded exhibition floor.

>There will be a main theatre stage on the event landing page on Steam, airing 6-8 hours of live panels with industry influencers. These will focus on (fun!) topics related to the narrative games genre.

Seems like an interesting experiment, though the fact that everything will happen on one day and then loop across the next three days seems a bit dumb.

The epilogue splits into two timelines based off of the choice John makes in the beginning of the story; this is what I gathered so far:

If John chose Meat, he went on and complete the loop by battling Caliborn and aid in the defeat of Lord English; it's fucking brutal on John's part, but everything's fine back at Universe C.

If John chose Candy, he stays and everyone have a happy ending; only for it to derail and became increasingly worst.

The main feature is the conflict between the two Narrators: Meat!Dirk, who attains the "Ultimate Self" and plans to continue the story with him as the villain, and Alt!Calliope, the same Calliope who created the "Black Hole" that devours the "Green Sun", who wanted to leave the story the way it is and let the characters live their own lives.

MetaNarrative Strikes Again, and if you don't like it, then too bad.

No shit, that’s everyone’s reaction.
A bit of fanservice, and a whole bunch of shit they don’t care about.
Anyone who claims to love every word of this novel-length mess either has no standards or is just a liar.

I didn’t know steam even had the capability to do this, neat

Her dog is very bad

Sounds like something made for twitch, not a games launcher...pretty bizarre

Here's an interesting idea: John never chose candy, it was never an option. Because to choose candy would be to refuse his heroic nature and desire to be the protagonist again, to refuse Rose's directions and to not fight Lord English. To refuse goes against who he is, just like how Terezi only ever saw two possibilities from her standoff with Vriska, because that's who she is.

So as a result Meat Universe C exists within a Genesis Frog, inside the B2 Incipisphere, within realspace. However events within Candy Universe C still needed to occur, so the paradox of John choosing something anathema to his nature manifested that universe within the only space such a paradox could exist without dying, inside the event horizon of the supermassive black hole Calliope created. It's like someone making a doomed timeline, except on a much more massive scale because the retcon power is involved instead, so a different prompt to make it doomed had to occur.

because she got stuck in the timelines with the two worst daves instead of the good daves

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Every day that passes, I like the epilogues more. I think it’s because the overarching plot is cool while the small pockets of weird shit are already fading from my memory.
I’ll see how I feel after a full reread this summer

I didn't care about Dirk until he was a villain.

so, from his very first appearance as Dirk “Child Abuse” Strider?

>I’ll see how I feel
Christ. This really is for women.

>Posters: 23

Not to mention everything that breach said event horizon would wind up in the Candyverse.

So does that means most of the ghost selves survived and now dwells within said verse? What about the remaining HorrorTerrors, or anything else that got sucked in? That would imply that the Candyverse would get insanely cramped.

I feel really stupid for being confused about where all the ghosts were coming from in Candy, but in my defense I hadn’t thought about Homestuck for nearly five years

...they're coming from the meat timeline/paradox space eruption, right?

my boy Tavros is actually okayish?

I think the Horrorterrors are just dead. They had a very small role in the story, basically to just cause Rose to go temporarily nuts so she'd end up creating the Green Sun, and create the dreambubbles so the ghosts could interact. Any ghosts that fell into the black hole wound up there, but ones killed by Lord English are just gone for good.

Also an interesting thing is that Meenah mentions to John that as a ghost, she'd probably just fade away on Earth, so she refused to go back with him. But we see ghosts get deposited on Candy and they're fine, and Eridan and Feferi get their "redemption arcs". So it's likely that Meenah was right, and due to Meat Earth C possessing a positive Trueness value, ghosts would fade away there. But due to Candy Earth C manifesting from a paradox, its Trueness value is zero, so ghosts can linger there.

So Candy Universe C is the final afterlife, the lowest circle of hell possible for these characters, and only could higher beings (Calliope twice, Davebot + Aradia) could escape its grasp and return to the waking world. Interesting to think about.

>homestuck was made by a pedo

Where do you think a 35 year old man got the idea to make a comic about a 13 year old boy using the internet?

>pacific rim
Sequel or the first one?

Yep, the black hole containing Candyworld opened up directly over Lord English, and the ghost army was fighting him at the time, so they just kept getting sucked in...at least that’s how my dumb ass understands it

inferior candy/meat dave was an extra in the sequel, superior Dave was the mocap actor for Cherno Alpha.

I read Candy first and it was genuinely disturbing. No wonder Dirk killed himself before it was too late.

You are correct. The Furthest Ring has also been destroyed, so there's no more dreambubbles. Literally the only two people in that realm of reality after Lord English was defeated and Meenah left were John and Terezi.

>the more Candy you eat, the sicker you feel

Dirk committing suicide was half in protest at the extremely quick fading relevance of the Candy timeline, and also to prevent that self from being "infected" by Candy so as to consolidate his Ultimate Self's power within realms that matter. So basically he was preventing from occurring.

The Candyverse's inside the Black hole this entire time.

And for those who wondering what happened to Lord English once he got sucked in, Alt!Calliope (using the body of a dead Jade as a host) literally ate him to gain the power needed to escape the its gravity well.

Creating the dream bubbles was a huge fucking deal though. It’s how the Rings were recovered, and dead characters could still affect things...just look at Aranea
The horrorterrors made the bubbles as bait for LE and as a source for “extra lives” for Sburb players so they could eventually beat him, and their plan worked like a charm, so remember to thank the satanic Squiddles

Mods, gas these Homestuck Jews

It's Steam's way of combating Twitch. It's not making much of an impact, but it's proven to be popular enough.

>Homestuck models for Poser
>no Homestuck porn made in Poser
C'mon, it's been ten fucking years.

I really hope if they do continue running with this that he comes back and wrecks Alt Calliope

I get Caliborn is supposed to represent the shitty parts of the fandom but he's so much more fun than Calliope and he is somehow more admirable.

Caliborn representing the shitty parts of the fandom never fucking worked as an idea, considering he's easily the most driven and productive character in the whole fucking comic

>no Homestuck porn made in Poser
You serious bro?

Say it with me
48 PLAYER SQUIDDLE SESSION

user, that artist does nothing but constant porn in poser.

>artist
Let's not go overboard.

You have a decade of Poser porn to catch up on my friend

The only things that were garbage in the epilogue was the Obama scene and trans Roxy.

Who want to bet that Dirk's the one who guides the Squiddles to their "Ultimate Selves" and gave rise to the HorrorTerrors?

Caliborn's gone, user. Like how Dirk, Equius, and Gamzee all became a part of him as Lord English, now he is both a part of Alt-Calliope through body, and Dirk in soul. Dirk is the villain that succeeds Caliborn/Lord English.

and Jade

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Shit, I've got a lot to catch up on.

>Obama met Dirk when he was younger and just starting to explore his session
>Obama has a soulbot waiting for Dave and to help him ascend to the same state Dirk is at
>Dirk is awaiting for Dave to catch up and kill him again
Hmmmmmm

Candy universe is still an entire fucking universe dude.

Candy is true, it's just not relevant. If it wasn't true it couldn't have interacted with the rest of the story at all.

No kidding. His whole thing is about getting shit fucking done

Eh I guess best I can hope for is Caliborn taking out Alt Calliope through Ultimate Dirk I guess. Unless Caliborn had some sort of ultimate ruse cruise going or got in on this Ultimate Self shit too somehow.

Really I just want to see a hilarious twist that he pulls an alien and bursts out of Alt Calliope / Jade Calliope's chest due to her eating LE

Dog Dick
She got a Dog Dick.

The main Tavros was killed by LE.

I'm pretty sure i'm the only one still doing regular homestuck porn too. That might change if pornhub really does buy tumblr, but I'm hoping the epilogue didn't do too much damage.

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>no dog ears and clearly not dog tier
So user, just how retarded are you

Where do you post your poser porn?

keep on carrying that torch, soldier

breedingduties.newgrounds.com/
Has all the links to everything. Hope you like davejade and johnrose.

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>Dog hormones

Based

The Horrorterrors made it canonically possible for an infinite combination of characters to meet up and fuck eternally in the afterlife. I thank them every day.

Not precisely.

>JOHN: then what does non-canon mean?
>ROSE: Events that are formally non-canon have no truth whatsoever, by definition.
>ROSE: They may have relevance and essentiality values that are nonzero, or even quite high, but only as projections along an imaginary axis, resulting from highly subjective frames of reference.
>ROSE: But due to those events having no truth, and thus carrying no real weight, the other properties are basically rendered meaningless.

later

>ROSE: As I explained to you on that morning sixteen years ago, there are three critical features of canon: essentiality, relevance, and truth.
>JOHN: yeah.
>ROSE: We have been untethered from the mooring of “truth” for some time now.
>ROSE: So while we, in our subjective experiences of conscious perception, feel in this moment that we have known each other for a very long time, technically it’s not true at all.

and later

>JADE: but the material circumstances of this world have no objective existential value.
>JADE: this world, unlike the canonical horrors from which it is hermetically insulated, will always fail to meet the combined criteria for truth, relevance, and essentiality that would endow this realm with any real gravity.
>JADE: its own naturally occurring supply of gravity, rather than the artificial supply i have given it.
>JADE: as such, what transpires here is characterized by experiential frivolity.

Nothing in Candy Earth C makes sense, because it's not "true". It's a living fever dream. But it still possesses relevance and essentiality, because there are events that occur there that tie into actual "true" events in canon, like Alt-Calliope predominating and Gamzee dying.

And a human uterus and teleporation powers.
we've been over this

>we never really got to know what the horrorterrors deal was

Do you have any lolis? Too many balloon breasts here.

HOMESTUCK CHARACTERS THAT HAVE BANGED:

(Meat) JOHN and TEREZI
(Candy) JOHN and ROXY
ROSE and KANAYA
(Meat) DAVE and KARKAT
(Candy) DAVE and JADE (Probably. I mean they got married but would Dave take the knot?)
JADE and HALF OF EARTH C’S POPULATION
(Candy) JANE and JAKE
(Candy) JANE and GAMZEE
JAKE and NUMEROUS FLEETING DALLIANCES
DIRK and JAKE

—-Debatable:—-

(Candy) VRISKA and GAMZEE (it’s really unclear whether they fucked or just furiously made out)

—-possible —-

(Candy) KARKAT and MEENAH
ROXY and CALLIOPE (Probably not)

If you want petite look through the Jades, there's smoll Jade there.
Otherwise I don't do lolicon, the only time little girls come into play is during happy family fluff scenes, got it?

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>but would Dave take the knot?
He says to John that they did and that they fuck regularly.

They're opposing forces that act as a limiter on sessions to prevent out of control universal reproduction.

>(Candy) VRISKA and GAMZEE (it’s really unclear whether they fucked or just furiously made out)

>It is a situation which, if she could bear to look at it, would strike her as the precise intersection between the most humiliating moment of her existence, an unprecedented circus mishap, and a gruesome crime scene. Her attempt to ignore the unspeakable catastrophe behind her may nearly have worked, if not for the reminder provided by the many fresh bloodstains on her shirt. Not only stains of her own familiar cerulean hue, but others of a most unwelcome color mingling with them. A color she never imagined she’d see contaminating her cool and casual ensemble, and certainly not in a context like this.

Pretty sure they fucked.

Dersebros really got the shaft

Dave and Karkat only kissed. Anything else is your fanfiction. Shippers assumed they had banged before the epilogue too, but it turned out they hadn't even kissed.

That could just mean Gamzee's blood. Vriska 2 only asked why she was kissing him, if they were fucking I think she would have asked why they were fucking

Slipped my mind, which chapter?

It says right there that they’re bloodstains

>Slipped my mind, which chapter?
Oh hell I'm not looking through that shit. Just look for the word "yifftrain"

wow okay there are a shitload more of these. Nice.

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I just can't see "a dam bursting" and "leaving these two love birds alone" as abruptly stopping for any reason. And it's a given that they soon would even if they didn't that night. I'm not a davekat fan but pretending otherwise would be needlessly anal

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>Anything else is your fanfiction
Isn't it all fanfiction

People used the same arguments about them before the epilogue. It's still headcanon. Karkat might even be asexual given his reactions to Jade.

No, since Hussie did outline the whole thing and wrote several parts personally. "Canon" here in Homestuck means something different than it does with other series.

I only wish the epilogues had more of Dirk’s filthy drawings

Jade has a need to breed

Do you?

Prior to the retcon and all the character assassination he wanted to seriously fuck Jade though.

I wish the epilogues had ANY drawings
But we can't expect Hussie to put in work.

Caliborn is one of the most meta characters in the comic, a personification of the stronger half of Hussie's storytelling values

Bet you ten boondollars she's got a boner under those skirts.

Because he's a chump that's afraid to admit anything.
I bet if you go to a con and talk to him he'll never make eye contact. What a spineless fucking wimp.

>So it’s been a while. There are a lot of reasons for our silence, and honestly it’s a whole tangle of stuff that maybe one day we’ll get into.
This honestly just seems so fucking rude. Don't backers deserve answers?

You don't deserve anything! Quit being so entitled and consume your Homestuck

Note that Hussie labeled the entire Epilogue as Dubious in Canonicity, just to please the dwindling, yet still rabid, fanbase.

You realize that "dubious canonicity" is the subject of the plot of the epilogues, right?

Bitch please, this is just like Paradox Space all over again. He can't commit because he's a pussy.
That he doesn't label these are canon means he just knows how bad they are. He has no pride or passion in his work or his team. He's a failure and Viz deserves better.

Before the epilogue one of them didn't "leap" at the other's mouth and then had a narrative fade to black. Before the epilogue them having feelings for each other was never even directly addressed, and it was shippers going "oh I wish they fucked". But now the average person who reads this can say "yeah they probably fucked". It's not the same and it would be splitting hairs to discount it

I mean I could move it to the debatable section but it doesn't feel half as debatable as the vrisgam scene

Thankfully both scenes are just as shit.

I should hope not, he has a girlfriend

clowwn tits

How much until Viz sues Hussie?

That's not saying much.

>john would be mortified with human embarrassment if he could understand the clarity and precision with which i am willing to telegraph his thoughts. but his embarrassment is irrelevant to me. as always, the truth is paramount. john thinks terezi is very cute. he always has. he thinks she’s small for how big she talks, and has a nose that resembles a button. these qualities he regards as particularly adorable, due to their sharp contrast with her harsh and incisive demeanor. john recalls the concept of “gap moe,” a term which the prince, speaking from his highly self-aggrandized position as a “scholar” of ancient asian earth lore, once explained to mean a charming, measured discrepancy between one’s archetypical appearance and idiosyncratic personal attributes. terezi is definitely cute, john decides. the conclusion is now at the forefront of his mind.

For what?

Seers confirmed shortstacks.

Does he? Still?

Probably?

>he pats the place beside him, inviting her to sit. she looks skeptical but relents, shimmying up next to him on the chrome. she shrugs out of the straps of her rocket pack. they sit silently for several minutes, shoulders two inches apart. the atmosphere is thin and chilly. below their dangling feet, the black hole looms, watching them. above, the sky seems to stretch on more infinitely than a typical infinite expanse, without being boxed in by the properties of space or time. john observes terezi watching the sky. the light flickers, meteoric, over her sharp features. it casts pools of shadow beneath her eyes and in the dip of her neck.

>his innocent thoughts continue, with the cautious yet growing confidence of a skittish animal creeping out of the woods. it is confident only in its surety of being unobserved. like this, he does not think she is cute at all.

>no, she is beautiful. this vision of her is haunting to him.

Yes. She cosplayed as Vriska. You know that's a long committed relationship.

If not, I volunteer to seduce him and chain him to the bed until he brings back Nepeta

Do you REALLY want Nepeta back? After all he's done to everyone else?

Whatever it takes. No matter the cost.

So long as Dave lives, Nepeta does too. She's a part of his Ultimate Self now.

>No cost too great

NEPILOGUE OR RIOT

Does that mean she also fucks Jade constantly

Nah, because Ultimate Dave abandoned Jade.

But ultimate Dave also kissed her

Ultimate Dave is a wuss being manipulated by Dirk. He might be ultimate, but just like how ultimate Dirk is awful, ultimate Dave is awful.
Turns out the distilled essence of a weenie is a weenie. What one really needs to look for is the Dave that managed to get away from that.

Mods, gas this thread.

You gotta understand that Nepeta is now a part of Dave through Davepeta, but Dave is only marginally a part of Nepeta, again through Davepeta. Here, I made a diagram.

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Nepeta basically isn't any part of Davepeta.

watching you try is hilarious

Nepeta is half of Davepeta, just like how Equius is half of ARquius

>half
Davepeta basically has no elements of Nepeta. You aren't the real Nep user.

>You aren't the real Nep user.
I never claimed to be. Half of Davepeta's reunion with ARquius was to reunite with Dirk, and the other half to reunite with Equius. In the fight against Lord English Davepeta repeatedly attacks with Nepeta's claws, before finishing English off with Dave's wings, sinking the 8-ball and winning the game.

you being a homestuck on Yea Forums is hilarious

>28 ips

I'd rather he just not have written the epilogue at all at this point.

Hussie ruined essentially everyone. I still can't believe that Dirk is now the villain and Jade is a slut. Fucking hell, I can't even complain about Jade being a slut either because like half of the fandom will shout down at me as being a "slut shamer". Fuck them. She was supposed to be a bundle of joy, pure and full of harmony. This is just debauchery, a character that got turned into a being full of endless lust and desires. This is LITERALLY the type of fucking shit that happens with Slaneeshi cultists in the Warhammer universe. And don't even get me started on Roxy.

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Actually most of the people who are into that slut stuff are mad because it's portrayed negatively. Even the people like slutty Jade weren't happy. The best we got is confirming that Jade never bought Dave's ironic shit and liked him because he was sincere and sweet to her.

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That's what happened when you reach sexual maturity and start being pumped full of raging dog hormones.

>I still can't believe that Dirk is now the villain
How is this unbelievable? He's essentially being puppeteered by his evil selves, is doing all this to keep him and his friends alive out of cowardice, and Hussie even said that there's no value in a betrayal unless it comes from a close friend.

no no no no bros we were supposed to be free...why won't he let us be free

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She is a bundle of joy, so full of joy and love that she wants to share with people, which she never got to for most of the first 16 years of her life, which caused her to be socially retarded. And the yearning for affection finds an outlet through dog hormones. It's tragic.

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>That's what happened when you reach sexual maturity and start being pumped full of raging dog hormones.

See, it's stupid one-off shit that this kind of pretentious cock-gargling douche is fine with.
"It's okay that Jade's completed changed as a character because um, dog hormones yeah!"
Let's just make John gay for Nic Cage too, after all he mentioned Nic Cage a lot.

If game of thrones fans acted like homestuck fans they'd spend hours justifying episode 4 of this season.

Joke shit like that has always been how the comic went though. The trolls started off as internet troll stereotypes before becoming literal trolls. How is Jade's character any different besides the stupid fucking tail and dog dick?

I forgot that that one time Karkat called Nepeta autistic meant she spent the rest of the comic arranging animal bones in order by size and obsessing over Sonic the Hedgehog.

Homestuck is built on idiotic plotpoints that get treated somewhat seriously. Its one of the things that made me like it so much.

It's kind of like how TF2 handled it's story.

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Imagine unironically enjoying the epilogue

Every person I've met who has enjoyed the epilogue was extremely, like, EXTREMELY, overweight.

Imagine still being invested in Homestuck

How do we save him?

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>and Hussie even said that there's no value in a betrayal unless it comes from a close friend
Why the fuck did there need to be a betrayal? Fuck kind of logic is that.

Because the end of a story means the metaphorical death of the characters. Dirk is scared to not exist. He is a coward who will forever run away from the threat of unexistence. He will NEVER pull a heroic sacrifice that ends his existence forever for the sake of someone else. It's not in his nature to do so. And so, he has decided to inject more Bleed into the story. A villain acts, heroes react. Dirk has provided incentive for the story to continue, and through this the lives of him and his friends.

Also because he's now part Lord English, Doc Scratch, and Caliborn, and those people aren't particularly nice.

He is beyond being saved
He is beyond redemption

That's just lazy justification for WHY he went bad. Not for WHY someone needed to go bad in the first place.

The epilogues were deliciously horrid and thoroughly entertaining and in many parts, cathartic and sometimes genuinely sweet

Yes why does anyone ever need to go bad? I'm not sure I understand your question.

If GoT kept going for like 5 more seasons as bad as this one, then you would have the same thing, because everyone who wasn't a boot licking jerk off would have just stopped interacting with it. Decline wise, GoT is in the early stages of Act 6, where everyone is starting to wake up and realize the problems that have become more and more prevalent are becoming almost all there is.

It's the height of the popularity, and the zenith of its downfall. Once the spin offs start coming out, and are awful, you'll see plenty of people jumping to defend them, because they'll be the only people still watching.

It's a pretty simply question. Hussie said that a betrayal doesn't work if it's not a friend. But why did he need to insert a betrayal into the narrative in the first place?

puffy tail

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damn hornniggers

He said that a betrayal has no MEANING unless it comes from a friend. If someone like Vriska or Gamzee does despicable shit, then nobody is surprised. People expect those two to be repungent cunts. But when Jane and Dirk end up falling into darkness and lose sight of the good people they used to be, the twist hurts that much more.

>But why did he need to insert a betrayal into the narrative in the first place?
I will answer your question with another then:
Why not? The betrayal and Dirk's conflict with Calliope and between the two timelines is far more interesting than Dave and Karkat's stupid election shit, or Roxy rambling on about her gender.

One Gun
Three Bullets

Choose wisely.

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>The betrayal and Dirk's conflict with Calliope and between the two timelines is far more interesting than Dave and Karkat's stupid election shit, or Roxy rambling on about her gender.
I would argue all of that was fucking garbage. Just like everything else in the epilogue

The only correct answer is shooting gamzee three times.

Myself

Bullets don't work on Gamzee so Vriska three times.

>have all the hornniggers stand in a line and then you only need one bullet.

But Bec was not a poodle

I'd rather not waste my bullets

Then I would argue that you just exposed your bias and predisposition in declaring everything to be total shit. Your opinion wasn't going to change by anything written in the epilogues, nor anything Hussie, you, or I posted.

So by definition the argument is over.

Did you want the story to end on some bland "And then they killed Lord English and lived happily ever after" odorless fart of a note? I'm glad the timebomb that was Dirk and the Black Hole Cherub went off and ripped the story in two

With all the talk of red herrings and a "bigger bad guy" in Act 6 we knew something bigger than LE would come. And having them be characters of the main human cast (including Jade's body) - characters we give the most fucks about - gives it the best impact. And Dirk makes the most sense. What would all that angst about feeling like he was a bad guy be for if he never became a bad guy? Retroactive angst over what an alt clone of himself did way back in the start of the story, that he never actually was? Being overbearing to his friends? Lame. A character like Dirk should be taken all the way, and it's justified because of his ultimate self/splinter shtick. Making AR being a part of Scratch a much bigger deal,

Bro trained Dave to fight his LE vessel puppet, but he was the guy holding the puppet

How many acts was this going to be again?

I want everything post act 4 to just not have happened

Why is Vriska such a good character, lads?

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>it's good because it subverts your expectations!

God you're a parody.

Rian Johnson strikes again

Vriska
3 times.

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dat gstring

>It wasn't the stock standard, so it was good!
Imagine contorting yourself into such absurd positions just to let a story fuck you in the ass. There's no through line on the main plot here, no tying together of themes and events to reach a satisfying conclusion that makes it all seem like parts of one greater whole. Because that's what introducing a new villain at the end is supposed to do. It's also supposed reach a conclusion with that villain. But it doesn't.

It's another plot point, another attempt at falling back on vagary and "what if"s, to hope that the audience will fill in the blanks, because the writers sure as shit don't know how. You say that AR being a part of LE now carries more weight, except it doesn't. That's a link we can draw, but it doesn't actually mean anything, it's something that COULD mean something. That's all the epilogue is, running away from things that COULD mean something, because actually making them mean something is hard.

LE COULD mean something, but that's hard, so Calliope eats him. Calliope COULD mean something, but that's hard, so let's just leave her actions open ended. John's retcon abilities and the divide between canons COULD mean something, but we don't know what, so let's just have Vriska make some vague references and let John maybe survive in a story that will never be written. That's all the Epilogue is, an attempt at sidestepping the responsibility of a good story to change what COULD be to what IS.

There is nothing more true to the core of Homestuck and Hussie's way of storytelling than experimentation and subverting expectations. You want PS to grab the keys? Here's a gun.

And it didn't actually subvert my expectations, for the reasons stated above. I never thought once that Homestuck would end cleanly, and the foreshadowing for a bigger villain was there. Ending generically and safely would be a far bigger disappointment.

>You want PS to grab the keys? Here's a gun.
You want PS to have a satisfying climax and denouement? Oh... no wait, that was a thing that totally happened, that a lot of effort was put into.

I think what people wanted was to see the aftermath of Lord english's total defeat and the wrapping up of all the remaining subplots such as what the fuck did Kurloz see that made him scream loud, what was the looming threat that Mituna thwarted, who was the demon plaguing the pre-scratch trolls' game, why is Gamzee even more immortal than Lord English(Seriously, we have confirmation that even before the canon death of Lord English that Caliborn was killed by Alt!Calliope, meanwhile there is no Doomed!Gamzee ever shown.), etc etc. Not for the soulless continuation of this series which gave MORE questions and subplots than answers. They totally Dragonball GT'd this damn thing.

Favorite troll?

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And we still haven't had a four way conversation with all the kids.

Terezi

Lemme see if I get this straight. LE's soul is drifting in the furthest ring inside Lil Cal. This causes some kids in some sessions to dream about Lil Cal and make him real. Shenanigans happen and this dream Cal turns into a host and LE arrives in that session and/or universe to fuck shit up. Meanwhile, his real Lil Cal body is still drifting in the void. LE has been doing this for a while and having rad crime boss adventures, setting up casinos, wrecking casinos, getting into mob wars etc. Until he's finally forced to close his loops by involving himself into Homestuck's story. Meanwhile, hes always already here since his Lil Cal body is in the furthest ring and outside any particular session or universe's timeline.

Is that how LE's agenda works?

just a bunch of greyskins

Dirk chose to become the villain so he could make everybody do their arcs. That's some high tier comedy.

Imagine caring about Hiveswap

when the mods see a homestuck thread:
youtube.com/watch?v=-nG7dSfwhX0

>ou say that AR being a part of LE now carries more weight, except it doesn't.
It does, because it means Dirk could become like this.

There's no tying together because that's the exact opposite of the main theme of these epilogues, which is splitting everything apart. Separating the main elements of stories into two opposing extremes that do everything but satisfy you. And it was entertaining as hell.

I still don't see Homestuck as over, but even if this is the last we ever see of it it's left me with way cooler concepts (like robotic ascended gods and a new session) and way stronger emotions than Act 7 did. But still, I can't judge it as an ending, just like I couldn't judge Act 7 as an ending, because they flat out aren't endings. And if we ever do get a real ending, it has to be big enough to do Homestuck justice, and not anything we could expect. And if he can't figure out how to pull it off, I'd rather he not at all. But I've enjoyed how he stirred the pot.

Sort of.

Let's call it Alpha Caliborn, who is out in the void. Gamzee's soul has the power to infect dreams, so it infects the dreams of some chucklefucks in some universe, which then creates a form of Caliborn in that universe, which is a conduit through which Caliborn's power of hypnotism can implant the instructions that will eventually lead to using the Caliborn doll to make Doc Scratch, which sets up a time loop which eventually creates an instance of LE who travels through that universes history doing whatever LE does.

One such example of this is the Troll universe, where the actions of Doc Scratch and LE also lead to the creation of Alpha Caliborn out in the void in the first place.

Also, this instance of LE gets eaten by Alt!Calliope, which does who knows, and who cares.

None of them. They're what led the comic to decline.

You're almost correct.

>LE's soul is drifting in the furthest ring inside Lil Cal. This causes some kids in some sessions to dream about Lil Cal and make him real.
You got this right.

>this dream Cal turns into a host and LE arrives in that session and/or universe to fuck shit up.
This is where you're mistaken. What happens is that Dream Cal IS LE's host, it contains a copy of LE's soul. At some point in a failed session, one where the kids are not created in that session but from one after a Scratch, they are forced to perform the Scratch and reset their universe. The after-Scratch creation is Lord English's calling card, and as a result the First Guardian of the reset Universe's planet is Doc Scratch. So in the new session one of the kids dreams up Cal or he winds up there somehow, and Doc Scratch is ectobiologized there. Doc Scratch returns to the host planet and sets up the Felt's shenanigans, and prepares for the death of the universe, at which he dies and Lord English emerges from his body. Lord English time travels back through this universe and establishes himself as leader of the gang. This means not all universes are destined to have Lord English, but ones that do cannot escape their fate. Such is the power of the Lord of Time.

>Meanwhile, his real Lil Cal body is still drifting in the void. LE has been doing this for a while and having rad crime boss adventures, setting up casinos, wrecking casinos, getting into mob wars etc. Until he's finally forced to close his loops by involving himself into Homestuck's story. Meanwhile, hes always already here since his Lil Cal body is in the furthest ring and outside any particular session or universe's timeline.
This is also correct. However Lord English's final loop, his very last incarnation is the one Dave, John, and Davepeta kill, that Calliope consumes. Beyond that point Doc Scratch cannot exist due to no Green Sun, so no Lord English either.

Jesus Christ.

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sort of did

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Thank you for the clarification. I actually forgot what LE's calling card actually was since it's been so long.

Calliope ruins everything

>Kanaya and Calliopee in there
No, bad.

John's endings were satisfying.

Who even has Karkat as his favorite Troll anymore? lmao

Yeah that scene where he just kept cumming inside Rose was really fulfilling.

No they weren't. They were enjoyable, but Candy subverted it all on account of nothing mattering and having to deal with that, and Meat just had him die without ever touching his character arc. John "Breath has nothing to do with Freedom" Egbert is still yet to actually confront his lack of agency, the only character arc that can be applied to him.

John and Jade going on a roadtrip to find their agency when

"Dude, Where's My Agency?", coming to theaters June 12th.

>had them all in one box together
>drowned out by gay screaming and metal horses
Hussie is knowingly dangling it

Maybe John could have had told them how depressed he ended up being, sent them back, and they all resolve to not isolate themselves from each other and they all end up living in a village together happily ever after. And then Adult John says fuck canon rules, goes back and talks to his adult friends, convince them to go take down LE with him instead, like adults with responsibilities should instead of sending kids. Dirk blows up from things not going according to plan. Rose gets better because John severs her link to canon/Dirk. They easily win because they're bigger stronger adults with better powers. They combine their aspects, fuck with reality and travel the multiverse, fucking up every other bigger bad. Yadda yadda the message is free will, communication and friendship uwuw

So let me understand this
Act 2 was meant to release last year in April
We get a notification this year
that they're almost finished PLANNING it?

>Giving a shit about Hiveswap
You only have yourself to blame.

You sicken me. I read Hussie's shit while he was still TeamSpecialOlympics. Everything after Act 5 makes me wish I never discovered him.

>You don't like the taste of garbage?
>I bet you like the taste of shit!

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VIZ fired everyone from whatpumpkin including Toby last year

Wasn't that the point of Candy John though? He decided to stop being a sadsack and live his life, sounds like agency to me. Meat John was following the rules of canon, which is an inherent lack of free will.

more like homosuck lmao

Not really, he decided that nothing mattered, but to find purpose in it anyway. It's not a bad arc, but it's a totally different one.

Hold up, do people think "homosuck" is a pejorative term?

Homestuck?
More like HomeSTUNK!

Reminder that Rose is now confirmed fertile.

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That's not what John's arc was about, John's was about finding reason for his heroic resolve and meaning to his journey. That's why he bought Sburb, and it gave that to him for a while, the role of the protagonist to play. But he kept getting held back by others, used as a tool for other manipulators, until he finally found himself at the point where he had all the direction in the world and no one to manipulate or tie him down any longer. But he found that when he did, he was still lost. He needed someone to direct him, again part of searching for the meaning of his journey, his existence.

That's why he became a recluse for 7 years after they beat the game. He no longer had a role to play, but felt that was the only role he ever felt at home in. In Candy this contrasts with his supposed paradise life. He marries Roxy, becomes an adult, and has a kid. That's supposed to fox it, right? Nope, it just makes the void in his heart more blatant. His arc there comes at resolving this and accepting his role is over and will never be there again. In Meat he's instead given one last role to play, and finds he never wants to go back to Earth C ever again. His director is there with him, and it's where he feels most at home, even at the end of all existence. He gives all this up one last time as per his nature to ensure the person he cares most about is safe. He finally found the meaning he had wanted.

Homosuck was the only bright ray of joy during Act 6.

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All of this would mean a lot more of John actually had a role of consequence to play in the plot before the epilogues. Excluding the significance he has to us -- due to the fact he is the 'main' character and the first one we see -- he really doesn't do anything of import at all. John isn't some Harry Potter figure within his own plot. A Good Guy that exists to beat the Bad Guy. The Hero that everyone is looking toward to save the day. There isn't even a pretence of that, no deconstruction, nothing. Hussie just got distracted writing lesbians doing literally nothing. Not that I think you're wrong in saying that was what was being aimed for though.

>"JOHN: i guess even after all that, i’m... still a little intimidated by you, huh?
>TEREZI: ST1LL?
>JOHN: yeah...
>JOHN: i mean... you have black feelings for me.
>JOHN: but i... i just can’t feel stuff like that.
>JOHN: i’m just a human after all.
>TEREZI: JOHN 1..."
What was she going to say?

Bowing to the guidelines of what some unseen entity decides what matters would be giving up free will - so coming to see his life as mattering, for reasons like his son - and accepting that people life aren't going always going to be like what he expects them to be and that he only has control over himself, is exercising true free will. He's no longer a slave to canon, and stops agonizing over defying it.

I stopped reading at the end of the comic and here I God damn sit, in disbelief that Hussie somehow made the story even more convoluted and retarded after it 'ended', or that anyone still gives a shit about Homestuck after the gaypocalypse.

Will he get his fucking arc?

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John played SBURB because he was bored and wanted to play a video game. Fate turned it into something more. John was not in control of the event, the same every single important event in John's story.

His relationship with his father was defined by a dumb clown messing with his dreams. Him not seeing his father before he died was because of Vriska interceding in his story. The choice of dying to go God Tier was taken from him. His relationship with Vriska was played out through a ghost clone. His very existence was born from a predetermined series of events that he lead blithely through. When he he was finally given a chance to act, to dictate his own destiny, he froze, and chose to give the possibility to someone else. This act even lead to someone choosing what do with the Ring of Life for him, a choice he put a great deal of importance into.

John's ennui at a lack of purpose only exists within the confines of the Epilogue, and arguably one single at the very beginning about mirthless pranks that's so incredibly vague it could apply to a dozen things, including the lack of agency. In fact, the ennui of his dissatisfaction can also be seen as an extension of his lack of agency. He found himself in a life he had no say in, with a wife he never really made the decision to be with, but just kind of fell into as she pushed the relationship along far faster than he was able to keep up with. His ultimate decision to find purpose in his life in Candy deals with that, to simply find solace in what he has, and not lament lost what could have beens.

But the lack of agency was a theme that was everywhere in John's story from moment one, in every important event that happened to him, it was there. John never confronting that, never choosing to build his own life through his own choices, is a damn shame.

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John played SBURB because he was bored and wanted to play a video game. Fate turned it into something more. John was not in control of the event, the same as every single important event in John's story.

His relationship with his father was defined by a dumb clown messing with his dreams. Him not seeing his father before he died was because of Vriska interceding in his story. The choice of dying to go God Tier was taken from him. His relationship with Vriska was played out through a ghost clone. His very existence was born from a predetermined series of events that he was lead blithely through. When he was finally given a chance to act after Game Over, to dictate his own destiny, he froze, and chose to give the possibility to someone else. This act even lead to someone choosing what do with the Ring of Life for him, a choice he put a great deal of importance into.

John's ennui at a lack of purpose only exists within the confines of the Epilogue, and arguably one single at the very beginning about mirthless pranks, a line so incredibly vague it could apply to a dozen things, including the lack of agency. In fact, the ennui of his dissatisfaction can also be seen as an extension of his lack of agency. He found himself in a life he had no say in, with a wife he never really made the decision to be with, but just kind of fell into as she pushed the relationship along far faster than he was able to keep up with. His ultimate decision to find purpose in his life in Candy deals with that, to simply find solace in what he has, and not lament lost what could have beens.

But the lack of agency was a theme that was everywhere in John's story from moment one, in every important event that happened to him, it was there. John never confronting that, never choosing to build his own life through his own choices, is a damn shame.

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lol guess the epilogue really subverted your expectations huh? Genius

>"when I'm wondering whether I should add more shit to the story, the answer is always to add more shit to the story"

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Deep

>never choosing to build his own life through his own choices,
But he did, at the end of candy, after everything you said leading up that growth

I always loved this art, but it's weird how it's become meat and candy.

No he didn't. The life with Roxy was the role given to him, the life that happened to him. His only choice was to give it meaning, and roll with it.

It'll be fine when she brings him back. That's what she's telling herself at least.

if they were expecting to play characters prominently featured in the comic, they were idiots. Metaplot aside, the trailers were quite clear that wasn't how it'd go down.

it really does, but it works when you are reading it.

>it works when you are reading it.
lol

whoops

the tyzias pic looks good

It was the only fulfilled ship that didn't hurt in it's fulfillment.

Except the part where John dies of course.

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vriska
gamzee
myself

How does he even die? Was getting fucked to death Just?

>it's a jade gets shafted a fucking gain episode
god dammit jadebros will we ever win

Dumb Karkat poster.

The narration states that LE's venom bypasses God Tier immunity. Someone killed by it can't be revived by Life powers either.

That's what Dirk mentions in his narration as John dies, so Terezi could hear all of it. He was never a manipulator, a driving force even within his own story. He barely even got to play as Jade's server player before that role was taken from him by Dave. He's been directed by Rose, Dave, WV, the reader, Vriska, Terezi, Davesprite, Jade, you name it. Without direction, focus, he's aimless, responding on instinct, lost and forced to face the emptiness of his own self.

These directors also tell him he's their leader, and so he feels responsibility for ensuring their safety, so they can continue their storylines. While everyone else may die, John will live on, always. So at the end, he still feels responsibility despite there no longer being anyone to give him directions or distract him. By then, he only wants that responsibility. Harry Potter was given a goal: Live despite Voldemort trying to kill him, and that shaped him into the job he eventually took: Auror. Magic cop. John was instead given the role as viewpoint protagonist, the one who possessed "You"ness. And that's really all he knew, but what he found somewhat fulfilling. Everyone else lived their lives, and his role was just to watch them. In Candy it takes him 16 years to get over this role as guardian protector of all. In Meat it costs him his life instead.

Oh cool so it was just some bullshit, good to know

>Jade gets possessed and her place usurped by fucking Calliope wearing her other body like a meat suit
I'm thoroughly convinced if this shit is all meta commentary then this is just because Jade was based off Hussie's gf when he started the comic. Her being constantly sidelined, punished, possessed, brainwashed after Cascade doesn't feel like any kind of coincidence.

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i mean it's all bullshit, it's not like "god tier immunity" is a real thing that has any meaning outside of homestuck

>it's not like "god tier immunity" is a real thing that has any meaning outside of homestuck
Yeah good thing we're not talking about something that isn't homestuck

but the point is that something bypassing god tier immunity isn't any more bullshit than the existence of that immunity to begin with

why would you fire the one guy with actual gamemaking talent?

I'm not gonna disagree with you, cause I think you're absolutely right, but I wanted to point this out:

>The streets are empty. Wind skims the voids keeping neighbors apart, as if grazing the hollow of a cut reed, or say, a plundered mailbox. A familiar note is produced. It's the one Desolation plays to keep its instrument in tune.

>It is your thirteenth birthday, and as with all twelve preceding it, something feels missing from your life. The game presently eluding you is only the latest sleight of hand in the repertoire of an unseen riddler, one to engender a sense not of mirth, but of lack. His coarse schemes are those less of a prankster than a common pickpocket. His riddle is Absence itself. It is a mystery dispersing altogether, like the moon's faint reflection, with even one pebble of inquiry dropped in its black well. It is the most diabolical riddle of all.

>"Absence diminishes little passions and increases great ones, as wind extinguishes candles and fans a fire." -Walt Whitman

>Yes, you are certain Walt Whitman said that. One hundred percent positive.

>You have a feeling it's going to be a long day.

Him finding emptiness in his life, something without meaning that he was distracting himself from, was part of how he bonded to Terezi, relating to that issue she kept hidden deep down. He found meaning in the roles and direction she gave him, and her pushing him to accept it. And she found someone to confide in, someone who wasn't masked by irony, or toughness, or coolness, or obsession. Someone to catch her when she couldn't bear wearing her mask anymore and fell, but would still play with her too. I'd argue that John gives up this role to Terezi at the end by nature of her carrying him along with her, a goal in mind instead of more aimless wandering.

That's not how story writing works. Once you establish something as a hard rule, just introducing some random bullshit that bypasses that rule makes it looks like fanfiction

>tfw no terezi gf

It's all bullshit but solely because it was all contrivance made to kill John when it was convenient. A fake golden tooth from a cherub that never actually hit maturity produces a poison that somehow permanently kills whatever is infected by it? It's bullshit, it was made up to kill John permanently for dramatic effect despite never having existence inside Homestuck itself as any sort of plot point.

>inb4 'that's the point'
It's not satisfactory dipshit. It's bad fanfiction.

Hussie going out of his way to spite her just confirms more and more that she's best girl though.

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It's not random. It's in Candy too. It's a power inherent to the Cherubs, who naturally exist on a higher state of existence than most mortals.

>JANE: Well, something is blocking my Life powers.
>JANE: It’s as if she has... a sort of poison in her. Not a literal poison, mind you.
>JANE: If it were as simple a matter as there being something in her bloodstream, I could revive her lickety-split.
>JANE: It’s deeper than that.
>JANE: It’s like... a poison eating away at the very core of her being.
>JANE: It’s attacking her on... perhaps this sounds crazy, but...
>JANE: A metaphysical level??

Lord English kills John, and he cannot be revived. Calliope kills Jade, and she cannot be revived. And it's not that hard to assume, since we already knew Lord English deals in double-deaths and can break spacetime.

I mean, it makes sense that Lord English, if anybody, would have a "Can Kill God Tiers, Just/Heroic not necessary" exploit.

What the FUCK is this?

I love Vriska!

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>Him finding emptiness in his life, something without meaning that he was distracting himself from, was part of how he bonded to Terezi, relating to that issue she kept hidden deep down. He found meaning in the roles and direction she gave him, and her pushing him to accept it. And she found someone to confide in, someone who wasn't masked by irony, or toughness, or coolness, or obsession. Someone to catch her when she couldn't bear wearing her mask anymore and fell, but would still play with her too.
HMMMMM

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Regardless of Dirk's bullshit, there's no loophole for heroism where it takes a long time to die. We kinda saw that already.

So if that's the case and Calliope possessed Jade's poisoned corpse does that mean LE is going to possess John's?

>permanently kills whatever is infected by it?
LE is a lord of time what ever he kills is gone forever to soul no nothing john still has a corpse due to plot magic and his powers

Nah, because Calliope consumed Lord English, and LE is still a part of Dirk anyway. So it's still Caliborn vs Calliope, they're just using different vessels now because their physical forms perished.

Fuck Calliope.

Jade isn't poisoned, she gets fatally stabbed with a shard of spacetime

More like he can't think of a good ending to give her

But deadJade was possessed by Calliope before eating LE in Candy, she just used his essence to escape the black hole in her vessel and pursue Dirk. How is she possessing the dead Jade if not for the cherub poison that Jane mentioned in Candy when she tried reviving her?

No that's all correct, I was explaining on why Lord English isn't possessing John. Arguably Calliope could also do that because Jade is a godtier Space player, so they were able to resonate with such precision to act as a vessel. Also, Jade's will has kind of been broken down from years of getting mind controlled or possessed by other people, she doesn't have the same mental resilience as other people.

All Jade wants is to settle down and start a family.
It's not fucking hard, but of course something like that is soooo heteronormative.

>it's not random
>it's in this other part of the epilogue

But it doesn't

Yes, because the epilogues are meant to be read together as they frequently tie in together. They're not isolated stories.

And MY point is that using more random bullshit from the epilogues to justify other random bullshit from the epilogues is retarded

I don't want Homestuck to end unless it knocks the whole series out of the park, blows my mind, and gives satisfaction on most plots and characters in ways that exceed my expectations. I don't want anything less. There's no way that will happen, so I'm glad it didn't end, and don't think it ever will. Even if this is the last installment, it's not an end. But this was fun, intriguing, heartbreaking, and splashed life into a story and characters that were left stagnant. It's better to me than a less than 10/10 ending, which I'm sure it would be with a story of this nature and size.

And therein lies the contrast. Vriska COULD have been that person for John, just like she COULD have been that person for Terezi. But Vriska's sheer narcissism and penchant for murder put him off, and set Terezi on a self-destructive path as the cop to keep her in check. Terezi's "justice" concerns morality, she wants to punish evildoers and let innocents go. Vriska's "justice" concerns herself, when tested she pushes back and tests limits, then retreats and does something else, repeat ad-nauseum. If there is light, fortune, a spotlight to steal, Vriska WILL steal it. And so she cannot be that person for either Terezi or John until she loses all possibility of relevance, of thievery. John realized this and gave her a wide berth, and Terezi also realized this, but clung on until she nearly died of starvation because she's even more scared of her own emptiness than she is of anything else, and Vriska helped her to ignore it for a little while.

Terezi once tried to bridge this gap and sent these messages to Vriska. Vriska never read the message, she actively ignored it. Terezi sent this same message to John, but John responded kindly, trying to get her not to give up on life. It's even paralleled in their blackroms at the end. Vriska dramatically makes out with Gamzee, then strangles him to death to silence him. Terezi has sex with John, and places her hands around his neck, but never presses down, then cuddles up to him afterwards, as she doesn't want to hurt him. Terezi thinks about others, Vriska thinks about herself.

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#justiceforjade2019

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Can someone get me a tldr of the epilogue? I tried reading it but when dave and karkat started talking about presidency I couldn't take it anymore.

Everything sucks and it's so meta brah.

Endings are hard, so let's just kick that can down the road into the land of "maybe never" and let the writers in "maybe never" handle it. Also being funny is hard, so let's not do that.

>Meat
John dies and Terezi becomes the main character
Karkat is still a fucking loser and has been reduced to Dave's support character and girlfriend, literally being turned into a NPC

>Candy
Irrelevant shit
Vriska is stuck there

kino

in the matrix sense, not the 4chanese sense
"meat" is a red pill
"candy" is a blue pill
both lead to good things, and to bad things

This is the only picture I have that can adequately display my disgust.

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Maybe he just left because he can live off Undertale at this point?

Just skip the dumb election shit it doesn't matter
It's literally the most inconsequential thing in both the epilogues and it's in the "relevant" path

Like all of it is inconsequential shit. Just give us everyone dying, Dirk kidnapping Rose, and John and Terezi fucking. Cut out all the bad parts. Especially davekat.

Unfortunately it's gotta appeal to more people than just us so the other crap's gotta be there too. I do appreciate the existential insanity that Candy becomes though, with Rose framing it towards the end. The war doesn't matter. Nothing in their world really matters. Yet it's something to do, and she appreciates that.

>it's gotta appeal to more people than just us
Hussie keeps trying to do that and ends up appealing to nobody.

candy in a nutshell: youtube.com/watch?v=CHatn3_UxEU

I mean, like you said, the story still has Dirk kidnapping Rose, and John and Terezi fucking, so it still appeals to me. I'll ignore the Davekat stuff because it's not necessary to the plot and I don't care about it. Can't win everything.

>writer confirms dave is bisexual
>retards still think he's gay
why

Because het Dave and gay Dave fans are fucking annoying

Imagine being a Dave fan, when the epilogues basically state he's absolute shit.

Can anyone describe the human character fans?

Nah, he is still alright.

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I'm not sure if you're aware of the reference that the epilogue's formatting is going for, but just so we're on the same page it's fanfiction.net

>Not only taking Pre-Act 6 as canon
Nothing else matters, everything else is the fever dreams of a mad man.

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>he is still alright
You remember how Dave gave a rant on toxic masculinity post-retcon? That's epilogue Dave. That's what you like. That's what you support.

>DAVE: also just in case janes opposition research is listening in on their illegal wiretap i know the word bisexual exists btw im just choosing not to use it in service of spitting some fuckin chuckle jokes here so lets all calm down and not let this one become a distressingly literal federal issue

Everything about the Epilogue is dumb and I hate it, but this actually makes sense. Cherubs have natural access to the flow of immortality, and they turn it into overdrive when they fuck. It makes sense then that they would also have natural weapons against it.

I want to see some actual cherubs, not the player ones.

The final Homestuck epilogue is called Pumpkin, and it is going to be about a third, entirely unrelated cherub that is basically the one watching over the region of space Earth C is in coming in and stopping either iteration of the Fuckup Twins from messing up people's lives.
And they shall be named Calzone.

More like his spouting bullshit and you get triggered like a Davekat fag.

Davejade fan, I suppose?

>More like his spouting bullshit
user, anytime Dave uses the word "woke" and you think that's cool, an angel dies.

Isn't everyone with taste a davejade fan?
Like the whole original quartet is perfect, despite Hussie's best efforts.

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Gar8age.

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I've gotten some sleep and I don't know where you pulled "I liked it because it subverted expectations" out of my post when I was outlining how something could be expected

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they've always beated around the bush about Dave's sexuality
like they're trying to say that he's bi without actually confirming he's bi

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More cute happy family art

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>it’s 2019 and the dancestors are still irrelevant

Yes good

You know now I wanna see family stuff with Joey as the cool auntie.

Stay tuned for Hiveswap Act 3 in 2022!

I don’t understand

can't wait for the dogdick minigame based on tetris

Shai'Hulud

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Will she reunite with Terezi?

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Homestuck sucks turds straight from the dumpster of a Giant. Everything ever made after the end of act 5-2, and the Caliborn parts, has been a giant waste of time. Hussie and his team of disaffected losers do not have the ability to craft a timeless experience of beauty. Do not waste your time.

terezi would kill her

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based and foxpilled

I still can't get over Gamzee being addicted to Jane's breastmilk

What the fuck does this mean. Why was this always posted. After all these years I need to know

toby probably jumped ship

It's practically guaranteed. Witness Lord English's final form

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Jesus Fucking Christ

Nah. But I would be surprised if Vrisrezi doesn't happen. That would be ballsy as fuck from Hussie.

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>Portraying Roxy as a woman
Wow, fucking racist much?

Like any Lalonde, Roxy has a fat puffy vagina that is built to receive Egbertian semen.

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>Black Jane
Where did this come from? I've seen it a lot. I'm not opposed to it, just confused

They ruined Doc's plan in post-scratch and were problematic in pre-scratch.

why does jade have a tail now

Like the entire point of Terezi's focus in the epilogue was getting her to realize her bond with Vriska was killing her and to let that go. She doesn't need to justify Vriska's shitty actions in abandoning her again, she needed someone who wouldn't be shitty to her and to treat her as more than just a sidekick.

I'll be surprised if Terezi actually does talk to Vriska after this.

>those hands

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>hiveswap participates in an event to show off story-focused indie games
>it's literally just the composer doing a let's play

>it really is an awkward skype call

Not related to any recent events, just sharing a thought.

Honestly whenever Hussie's friends talk about him, they talk like they're tard handlers and he's the tard. It's kind of sad? Homestuck doesn't feel like it's treated as Hussie's IP by his friends or anything.

This was kinda apparent with the skaianet fiasco and his issued apology. Seeing how vfromhomestuck spoke about him then was real pathetic, as if they're in charge of keeping his tard fits under control or something. He's talked about like worth absolute NOTHING amd as if Homestuck doesn't belong to him.

Is Hussie the ultimate cuck?

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really furthering my understanding of ludonarrative dissonance

>Homestuck doesn't belong to him.
I mean, it doesn't anyone. He sold it (at least partially) to Viz.

Jesus, that's just sad.

>Did you want the story to end on some bland "And then they killed Lord English and lived happily ever after" odorless fart of a note?
Yes. Absolutely. I just wanted a single conclusive "The End. For Real". Not exhuming the bones of an once good story to shit on it some more.

If I see someone on the bus with a colored zodiac button, is it a good chance that they’re fellow homestuck trash?

Maybe they're just really into astrology

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I have a Virgo sticker on my bag and more people have asked me about Kanaya than my horoscope

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Vriska!

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Can you give examples of that? I wanna see it because it sounds so fucked up.

Just finished reading the epilogues. Am I right that the gender shit and everything has been upped or have i just not read homestuck proper in so long that its suddenly noticeable

There were inklings but the epilogue turned it up to 11. This is what happens to immortal teens with nothing to do

Of course it was upped. By a lot.

I just can’t imagine this is true...

is Hiveswap Friendsim worth playing?

It's worth watching on youtube

>tfw you'll never snuggle up with jade and feel her preggo tummy
why live?

Well that makes me feel better and worse

It's true, but my particular bus route has lots of weirdos so your experience may vary

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watch it or get a pirated copy

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>Terezi tells him she feels incredibly guilty for harming him and she wants to be gentler
>John responds that he felt he should've been able to shrug that off and wants to be physically tougher for her
>Ends up in another extended, personal heart to heart that results in Terezi nearly crying again

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The most wasted character of all time

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Homestuck ended before the current SJW trends changed from gays to trannies. We dodged a bullet there, but the epilogue tried its darndest to make up for it. Luckily it only ruined one character in one route.

>For Act 2 we have built a staggered development process where the script and design come first
No fucking shit

clown tiit2

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I like how in both timelines Calliope went nuts at the sight of Alt-Calliope's vessels and wrote herself out of the story entirely.

I wonder what she's so scared of?

Almost all of HS characters are wasted, it's the mark of an incompetent writer

How would you define "wasted"?

Karkat's existence

What was wasted about it though?

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how is john so based?

Because he is the opposite of Karkat.

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I'm just gonna say it here: I want to fuck Roxy. I want to bend her over a table and ram my dick so far up her cooch that I can scratch my name into her womb with my diamond-hard cock.

>tfw never had a homosuck gf
why even live

The races should be reversed.

Hussie doesn't have friends. He just has a circle of enablers and users who are bleeding him dry and using his "ip" as a stepping stone for something bigger.

>mostly flat roxy

good

I got one but i had to turn gay to do it

Thank you for your service.

after the epilogue it's gonna be homos all the way down, only do this if you're gay

How do you think the guardians would interact with their alternate selves? We got Nanna+Jane, but that was pretty bland.

I bet Bro+Dirk would've been interesting.

>Bro immediately tries to strife with Dirk
>Dirk doesn't want to
>Bro calls Dirk a prissy faggot
>Dirk cries

i'm erect

Alt Calliope / something worse than LE

>tfw you'll never suck jade off while she's breastfeeding
it hurts

>all the kids sucked as guardians because they did it out of obligation, except maybe Rose but I mean she breastfed a fucking grub, that's kinda fucked
>the one kid that just wanted kids didn't get it because she's not allowed to have what she wants without hussie going NO THAT'S BAD
Poor Jade

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Fellas how do we convince the Wiki to change Roxy back from "they" to "she"?

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I thought they were ignoring the epilogues, what's this bullshit

>They later confides to Dirk that their believes it to be
Find-and-replace doesn’t cut it sometimes

Roxy is actually multiple people now. It's not the gender-neutral they, it's the plural they.

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Pluralism gives me flashbacks to early 2010’s tumblr

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truly he was, the hanged man

>still the only kid that tried to really play the game and do what fate asked her
>sidelined to be a character to help a bunch of other worthless cunts realize their PURE YAOI LOVE XD for each other

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I mean, didn't Hussie take photos of himself with KEK written on his forehead?

I thought that wordfilter was long gone...

I keep telling people he's a spineless chump. Nobody seems to take that seriously.

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Usually I wouldn't expect any better, but the epilogues should be ignored as a steaming pile,

ah well, who can save the experience of Homestuck for new readers from being a steaming pile

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I’m not convinced he’s even still alive

>UH, all the trolls or subhuman insects as I like to call them
how did jane get so based?

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It sucks that his circle of "friends" seems to always take advantage of his spinelessness.

I've always thought that maybe Homestuck didn't end up being what Hussie's envisioned because of how easily he sways towards the audience's desires and his circle's ideas.

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>John went from The Fool to The Hanged Man
>Terezi went from Justice to Judgment to perhaps The Fool at the very end

Well he's dead inside.

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I'd say Fool. Terezi basically took on the role of P4A Elizabeth shifting to the Fool Arcana to save her husbando from death

The King died long ago. Now, his advisers rule the land as they see fit

Fan fiction writers for some reason really hate dirk.

Because he's bro and they were so obsessed with bro that seeing him portrayed as an abuser broke them.

Because the epilogues aren't canon

But he wasnt, he was a shitty guardian at worst but he still cared deeply for Dave.

That's what it felt like for me too, with John entrusting her the arcana at the end. His journey is over, it's her journey now.

I mean he was. You can care about your kid and still abuse them, even if it's not out of malice or unintentional. The issue isn't bro being an abuser, it's him and only him being singled out amongst the guardians.
Like Dave in the epilogue going "Oh bloo bloo i had a shitty childhood" is annoying when pretty much every other kid did. He's such a whiny little shit.

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combine this with the one with hitler

John didnt, jade was travos fault and rose had it pretty bad sometimes, alcoholic fathers are not fun, much less when they are passive agressive as fuck.

Does it matter if it's Tavros' fault or not, she still ended up being alone most of her life.

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Aranea is nothing like spider pirate.

this would be fucking amazing.

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you... you mean you got a bf?

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hell

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I meant to write hell on this picture not that one

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someone catch jade before she breaks something

best ship of all time

>John and Jade have a full blooded younger sibling
That still is really damn weird

>you will never, EVER taste it

>John was actually hussies true self insert
>it was a cry for help
>Hussie has no sense of agency
>needs people to give him direction
>in the form of literal command entry
>he tried to change it as a way to free himself
>ended up bowing to the legion of tumblr anyway

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what's really weird was johns son having speaking lines.
the first one sent a shock through my spine

and dirk is who he likes to fantasize about being

making sure the kids feel like real people was important

it's like the harry potter epilogue where they're all named weird
Maybe it's for the best that Jade didn't have kids so we didn't get Ad-rock Becquerel Harley

I hope she manages to save him. Those two need a good ending together.

I wonder how long they'll be chasing dirk

space captain karkat to mirror rebel commander karkat

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This scene was weird

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youtube.com/watch?v=FKZcffLcUrM

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pics like these feel a world away now

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And you know Viz and the rest of the fandom will go on continuing to consider the four kids the core group and just ignore the epilogues (rightfully so)

Kids and Fun...

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now it's kids and cum.

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>tfw jade will never win
it hurts jadebros

goodbye thread

Kids and fun was an ironic phrase dumbfucks. Homestuck was sex and gore from the start. Most of Dave's conversations in the first few acts are either a constant streams of penises or about him getting killed horribly.

Last for fuck fujos

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Jade deserves better.

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throwback to simpler, happier times

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I know, them hanging out or being happy was never a canon depiction
but now it seems extra naive and far away

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Having her take off her shades as she opened up was a good touch.

oh shit that's small

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>them hanging out was never a canon depiction
Fuck you, before nuHuss ruined this shit they were close as anything. Just because Hussie is a loser who drifted apart from his friends doesn't mean everyone should be.

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last for jade getting what she wants and deserves

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