Are underground cartoonists dead? There's plenty of indie creators...

The underground exists. The issue is that the Internet no longer makes them look like they're underground.

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>These people were fucking loathed by the mainstream back when they started
I'm saying the UNDERGROUND wouldn't support them anymore, you retard.
>every generation acts like radical liberals didn't exist until current decade. No, they've been a thing since at least the 60s
The radical liberals/hippies/stoners/freaks SUPPORTED Crumb and the Zappers throughout the 60s to 90s.
The radical liberals/hippies/stoners/freaks of TODAY, WOULD NOT support a Crumb-like figure TODAY.
Everyone in the art film and indie music scenes TODAY are getting #metooed TODAY because they have sex with groupies/fans, whereas up until the beginning of the 2010s it was all fine.

well this was easy to prove
>While presenting the award for Outstanding Artist, the cartoonist Ben Passmore, who is black, asserted that "comics is changing…and it's not an accident." He lamented the continued industry presence of "creeps" and "apologists," then called out the godfather by name: "Shit's not going to change on its own. You gotta keep on being annoying about it.…A while ago someone like R. Crumb would be 'Outstanding.'"

>The room erupted with both "ooohs" and booing. "A little while ago there'd be no boos," Passmore responded. "I wouldn't be up here, real talk, and yo—fuck that dude." The crowd burst into applause.

>Crumb's comics are "seriously problematic because of the pain and harm caused by perpetuating images of racial stereotypes and sexual violence," the Massachusetts Independent Comics Expo (MICE) explained last year when removing Crumb's name from one of its exhibit rooms.

>The Ignatz Awards crowd, Groth worries, "will not tolerate that kind of expression, and I think that's disturbing. Cartooning has a long history of being transgressive and controversial and pushing boundaries, and now we have a generation very much opposed to that, who want to censure fellow artists from doing work they don't approve of—even though they are able to do what they are doing and want to do precisely because of trailblazing on the part of artists they now abominate."

reason.com/2019/04/29/cancel-culture-comes-for-count/

Thank you

Reading comprehension, do you have it?

This is the easiest era in history for that

Not really. Postmodernism is so out of date with how weird the world has gotten, the proliferation of information has changes so drastically, and technology is so drastically changing peoples' lives on a year to year basis, its genuinely difficult to make a counter culture to a mainstream culture that is perpetually fluid, vague, and uncommitted.

Everyone patting themselves on the back for taking shots at Crumb deserves all the scorn they'll inevitably get from their own crowd.

>are there any cartoonists making really transgressive anti status quo material? Are there any rebellious underdogs left in the cartooning world?
Tumblr.

Read Awful Hospital. It's the new Homestuck except it's actually good, not cancer and very underground/not commercialized yet. I don't see Yea Forums talking about it at all. Guess the art is not for everyone, but it's still good. Homestuck began in 2009 but took like 4 years to truly take off. This one began in 2014. Get in on it while you still can.

>epitome of sjw shit with an author so insufferable even other sjw's can't stand him and his "male ally who'll eventually rape a girl and get metoo'd" ass
>good

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>Being this triggered

got a link?

bogleech.com/awfulhospital/892.html

Like the artstyle. That tag on the bottom is rather foreboding.

this is a good post.

unironically, the rebellious underdogs these days are the sort of people Yea Forums would reeeee feminist and basedboy at. i know a lot of people who make zines and weird art and it's largely millenials pissed off at the shit they are forced to live in because of brexit/trump/some asshole billionare/their crippling student loan debt

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...that word filter is new.

Eli Valley.

Transgressive shit isn't terribly interesting in itself and the whole thing about dealing with "the realities of their actual lives" as gets old. I don't want to read whiny narcissistic bullshit or edgy bullshit. Tell a story with some imagination and craft.

>Are there any rebellious underdogs left in the cartooning world?
>left
There never were any who's work you could easily find. I know of a bunch of shut in aspies who used to post wicked good stuff but it's pretty much all been scrubbed from the internet cause it wasn't wholesome mass appeal sort of work. Artists like that aren't interested in making money or being having mass appeal, they're just bored autists who draw cool stuff and tried sharing it with others for feedback but now they never post anything cause they know it'll get taken down.

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Yeah, snooniggers from reddit noticed lots of no no stuff here and as usual weaseled their way into moderator and janitor positions
They've been doing all across the interenet fora few years now, since beginning around 2014 I believe.

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>its genuinely difficult to make a counter culture to a mainstream culture that is perpetually fluid, vague, and uncommitted.
no user

that counter-culture is called "Conservatism" and not in the right-wing sense; In the "this is a historical building we must preserve it as it is, in form and intent: no modern tools, no modern materials"

It has been around.

JUST GOOGLE IT!

justfuckinggoogleit.com

>earnestly believing that keyboard warrior feminists are mainstream

Jesus fucking christ.

that kind of thinking is apart of any new england town. It's definitely not counter culture and I definitely would not call it conservatism because of all the baggage that word has from politics.

Most posters never leave their house.

Really?

What would even be considered underground in the Information Age? Entertainment is readily available to everyone, it’s easier to sell your works independently when you can bring it directly to your core audience. Also, what’s left to rebel against anymore, anything that fucks with the current status quo will also fuck with an artists ability to make a decent income so that’s a big no no.

They are, but it's the sort of thing that likely is going to remain "physical media only."

>What would even be considered underground in the Information Age?

Eric W. Schwartz

Look up Murdoch Murdoch.
They're a couple of guys making shitty newgrounds tier flash cartoons using modern memes in an over the top comedic way with a standard topic of the week format using a plot A and plot B formula, and by the end of every episode things are back to normal.
There's a thin 4th wall like in many old looney tunes cartoons, the characters are playing themselves.
Overall the show is highly political and very blatant, it touches plenty of hot taboo topics, challenges the status quo and offers a few different takes of its own as explores them in a comedic way. In terms of tone and style it feels a lot like old south park episodes with very messy animation and nonsensical humor but if it was made by younger people today and with a right wing bias instead of left wing.
The show used to take on different formats and had no ongoing narrative until they hit on the current formula with consistent characters they use, most episodes are self contained and relate to a currently relevant political topic, and sometimes they do multiple connected episodes like during the elections. Overall it's just humor but sometimes it shows some genuine emotion and really tries to inspire people in a profound way.
I wouldn't agree with every point they seem to imply but it's still a very interesting show, very funny and it feels like a true product of the creative counter culture of this generation, it's something made by them for them as a passion project and it feels like it.

It's still possible to be banned from youtube and all the big stream sites without breaking any rule, just for wrongthink accusations.
Making it significantly harder to access content and proving its ideas were deemed a threat, a real rebel wouldn't give a fuck and would still carry on.

It's harder now to simply soldier on and keep fighting the good fight when corporations control what is and isn't friendly content. The problem is that if you're passionate about creating content online then you'd want to dedicated your entire life into making said content, but when you can't make money off of it due to it being deemed too controversial you're forced to either get a job and continue making your content on the side or attempt to appease your new Masters and make the content they want to see. I wish people would make a bigger commotion when shit like the YouTube adpocalypse happens, or when Tumblr tried to filter adult content and do its porn purge; everyone just accepted the situation and carried on.

Yeah these are actually very hard times if you want to be edgy.
Not only will you be defunded, you'll get deplatformed and if you try to reach an audience on your own they'll just go after your host, your bank or any payment method around.
You'll have to be creative and do shit like selling t shirts to see any profit and it still won't pay the bills, it'd be 100% a passion project.

Like it or not, pic related is the closest thing we have to a counter culture cartoon.

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There's a quote about satire: If the state recognizes it and bans it, then it deserved to get banned because its bad satire.

I think the same should apply online, if you're so stupid you can't make satirical art online without getting banned, its because your art wasn't good enough.

It is on my country's media

Like they banned animal farm in the Soviet Union?

Agree with a post and then say the opposite. Also populist opinions are pretty mainstream.

Would Wurtz works be considered underground?
Asscastle, Crow Cillers, that shit?

Yea Forums does not know them.

Yes.

>Yea Forums not knowing Asscastle
man, that comic used to get storytimed a lot, how times have changed

I just went to their site and watched the latest one they had on the front page.
It was just a 3 minutes alt-right race realism monologue. It wasn't clever, there was no jokes, like wth even is this.

>like wth even is this.

The Abyss.

fucking newfags

What did you expect?

Sweden?

Fuck no.

Why are you linking Anthony Fantano?

I was linking to one specific idea proposed in the video, that the modern counterculture lacks a "rebellious" spirit that marked the classic counterculture of the 60s because there is more acceptance and universality of the elements of the counterculture. That is to say, underground comix these days are mainstream.