Sonic the Hedgehog 16 storytime

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So... someone else has pointed out that this is exactly SatAM Robotnik, right?

Sonic canon is never solid. Tails owns a house in Battle and its also shaped like his head.

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What a dick move.

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this art style isnt bad
does anyone actually buy this? kids dont read comics and i dont imagine many 20+ year olds would really want sonic the hedgehog floppies around their place

Figured he would chuck Dr. Starline in the vat here.

I expected some level of betrayal or Eggman getting pissed. I like how Eggman isn't acting like a typical classic tyrant when getting questioned.

Minor nitpick, but I really don't like these generic, recolored background furries.
Like, throw in a bird or something.

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He probably cut her some slack since her question gave him the chance to demonstrate his genius and foresight.

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>floppies

Physical copies are a thing in the past. Digital shops are better.

What's the point of a recap page if you're going to spend a page recapping anyway?

>her

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>her

Oh user...

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Really? Huh. The sidecut threw me off.

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Oh, my bad, it's actually a two page recap and an ad for the annual after two pages of setup that don't actually set up the issue's events.
What the hell?

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I miss Snively.

And that's it.
Join us next month for some Chaotix shenanigans.

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Flynn actually did a great job showing self-doubt here within Sega's confines

>Nice sleep. Awake as a zombie robot.

Just like my mornings.

Thanks for the story-time

so the one on the right is Sonic Unleashed. Is the fire from 2006? or Secret Rings?

>The Ark
>Acknowledging SA2, which took place on Earth
I know about the "two worlds" thing, but it still bugs me. It could have been something like the Death Egg.

>Secret Rings reference
Nice

Man, Eggman’s a real asshole in this series.

Thanks for the storytime, but now I just wonder why 15 and 16 are even separate issues.

Taking some cues from Metal, I see.

I'm pretty sure Flynn is ignoring the two worlds thing. We'll know for sure next month, if there are any humans in that big city.

Sega approved, so fuck it.

No, but you're right, we're back to old Archie characterization and motives.

It's a bit sad, that this sequence is far more effective than Sonic Forces' "demonstration" of how Eggman took over the world.
Like, imagine how that probably played out in the comic.

Thanks user, this is a pretty good read

Someone post the Shadman pics.

I kinda thought it was boring. There's no penash, the visuals are dull and the sequence is plodding. Could really have used a better artist.

I'm just annoyed that they have this wacky, vibrant franchise and they're spending a year on "gray goop makes people sleepy recolors." The annual's proof they can just tell random adventures in all kinds of places with pretty much any character they like, but instead we're gonna get this.

That fucking cover made me think Sonic was going to get raped.

I've never read these comics but this page got me curious.

When isn't Sonic getting raped?

Are those the Chaos Emeralds on his chair? He has all of them?

What is he hiding

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Yeah, Starline gave em to him.

Oh nevermind Eggman specifically notes the emeralds. I'm retarded.

Sonic you and Shara or whatever her name was both took turns dying in that game

Secret Rings

The two worlds thing is a stupid retcon and I'm glad it's being ignored.

Tangle is cute

Why is this comic about the fastest thing alive so lethargic?

Well done on the writers for working with what they got. These chapters are getting much better as the story unfolds.

HOW DO YOU LIKE THAT OBAMA?

wow it’s like a not!zombies comic!

I mean, if the issue was structured like an actual piece of zombie media it could have been interesting.

>penash
Panache.

How can anyone enjoy this crap?

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Gueszoondtight.

Well, what's crap about it, user?

I might be wrong, but I think the character roll call/recaps made from previous issue panels pages are only in digital copies and not in physical issues.
I know IDW does it with their other books as well

whoops, didn't quote all the posts I intended to

We'll all get to Cream the Rabbit soon user, just wait a little bit longer.

Some nuance to who did what art wise that's not precisely stated in the credits: Priscilla specifically did the inks on Skelly's pages; Lawrence's pages were all him lineart wise

Oh boy, more SatAM rehash - now without half of stuff that defined SatAM (and early Archie Sonic)!

I don't want any of this. I want Archie Sonic to come back and continue where it left off, damn it.

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How is it a SatAM rehash? SatAM didn't have any stories like this. It's Mega Muck/Krudzu/Roboticization Beam again.

Thanks for the heads up, user.

>cubot acting like he's actually doing shit
BULLSHIT

He's doing his best.

When has that EVER been good enough!?

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He's doing his BEST.

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I know enough about Shadman that I know that I don't want to know which pics you're talking about, you know?

Flynn a shit I don't get why so many guys here like "his work".

Blame Ken Penders for all of it. His lawsuits were the reason Sega reset the universe, then cut ties with Archie. I don't even remember why he sued Sega/Archie, but I'm sure the reason was retarded. Like, legitimately retarded.

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They sued him, and the annual has perfectly good stories in it.

He's written some good stories. Like that one with Shadow and the giant lobster. Or the first four issues of Sonic Boom.

Archie sued Ken, but Ken did try to sue Sega.
I say try because his case was dismissed right away, but to this day he still insists he can get them to court.

Who sits like that, I mean really.

He's trying to look cool.

Not hiding, more "what are you doing bursting into my house,strange loud girl I only just started spending time around."

So it's a retreading of Archie Sonic with Robotization now renamed "Zombots"

Considering the events of Sonic CD, Sonic Colors, and the fact Robotnik's been trapping little animals in robots to do his bidding since the first game... Pretty sure it's all been variations of the theme, "I am the smartest and the world/universe should conform to my image if I have to remake every inch of it myself."

>I'm sill in my refractory period geez maybe later Tangle

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I think user means in terms of a simple plot device that turns characters into robo versions of themselves. It doesn't really fit with the game versions of similar stuff because there's no visual flair. The world isn't turning super funky like Bad Future in CD, he isn't making an amusement park like in Colors and throwing people into vats where they come out as weird mutated versions of themselves. It's just...goop that makes normal people shiny, sluggish and evil.

Is starline a man or a woman? I know it says a dude but I just can't believe that.

Given the eyelashes, he's clearly trans.

Soooo thick

Oh this is dark.

>we lost Thunderbolt and Clove and her baby sister for a fucking duck whore
I hate Penders, I hate Archie's incompetence, but most importantly, I hate Sega.

>METAL'D

Im so, so sorry.

>It's roboticization but it's way less cool

meh

Flynn's a fine writer, it's that the current restrictions on what can be in the comics are so constraining that they literally can't be good. Sega as a collective whole can choke on a mountain of cocks and die.

I think the artist likes drawing tangle.

Now we are going The Stand.

Is Bean going to blow up an oil refinery willing muttering Boom Boom the whole time?

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There is that one mission where they try to assault eggman and infinivitus whoops all their asses.

So i imagine it went something like that.

DULLEST SONIC MEDIA TO EVER EXIST

>Experiments on his best friend like a guinea pig to the point of having a literal hamster wheel
>Thinks he isn't the strange one

>Wherein Eggman does a thing.

he finally rapes the hedgehog?

Secret Rings. Shot in the heart with a fire arrow that would kill him after it runs out or something. It also gave him a few gimmicks like time stop and such. I don't know if that was some idea that erazor can't straight kill you, he has to make it a two sided thing.

Remember its not jumping the bandeagon if the bandwagon has been dead for nearly a decade!

In 10 years we can look forward to Sonic in a superhero cape

You mean that fighting tournamemt arc? Or the convoluted adventures of background characters? Death is better than that shit.

You make it sound like you don't like duck whore

I meant everything from Archie Sonic minus Penders stuff.

>of background characters
Every character is a background character except Sonic and Eggman. No point on arguing which character is or isn't a background character.

I miss her too, user. I miss her too.

Face it, all the penders stuff is archie sonic. You can't seperate them. Suck it up and use those volumes to dry your tears.

Try remembering the bad times, like when Nicole was written to be metroplex or literally everything with Mina Mongoose, especially when they went full robot-woke with her boyfriend Ash.

Remember all those issues of Universe no one read because no one read because the stories were almost as boring as the characters.

Remember Ian having literally no idea of what to do with Blaze or team dark so they were out of the comic for years at a time with stories that were borderline plagerism.

Remember those moments, let it burn your skin like a cigerette bud from uncle penders!

This. Why is the big arc threat so visually boring?

>Flynn's a fine writer, it's that the current restrictions on what can be in the comics
You people have been saying this for a decade and we had an issue with different writers doing better stories *last week*. Fuck off with this terrible excuse already.

it's apparently one of IDW's best sellers and issues regularly run out of stock
of course, no-one asks whether IDw purposefully prints less issues so they can go "oh wow we ran out sold so much"

he's already specifically said he isn't, or rather, that he's ignoring it as much as he can but won't outright contradict it

but it looks like the ark. why would sonic not remember the ark?

I've been buying them. I just got #16 today, and there were only a couple of Cover B's available, all of the Cover A's had already been bought.

I cream the rabbit pretty often. Like, every other day

Almost as if the confines were never that bad and fandom just exaggerates them to cover up for all the investment they've made into Ian as the messiah not paying off

I think I've only seen two artists who ever made the background characters look actually good, and those were Ben Bates and Tyson Hesse. Otherwise, Yardley! was the peak just for making them look only kind of boring instead of blank voids or nightmares.

Surely Diana Skelly as well?

>cover
wait
did they give rafaknight her job back?

>this art style isnt bad
It varies by the issue. They've got a stable of artists they use on the series that are all pretty good, but sometimes they try somebody new and it just doesn't work out. Jennifer Hernandez penciled issue 3 and the first story in the annual, and both of those would have been so much better in any of their other artists hands.

Wow way to turn my compliment into an attack fagola

No, Evan's got a degree in animation, she knows how to pose models and paint over them if needed

The pages with the zombots are by a transformers artist who hadn't done Sonic before, so they're pretty good even if still having some kinks to sort

Diana Skelly's pages meanwhile are good just simply we've always known they'd be

>I really don't like these generic, recolored background furries.
I think Sega can be blamed for a lot of this. This comic follows up Sonic forces, and so a lot of the early locations and background characters look like characters built with that game's create a character. This village was established in issue 5 of the series, and by that point the only non-generic characters new to the series were Tangle, the Village Elder, some background sheep girl, and JenHen's squad of OC's which she had made porn of and distributed online years ago, so kind of a weird inclusion if you ask me.

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The tournament arc was really fun, although its ending was kind of ho-hum.

I don't remember Diana Skelly's background characters, she was aces at everything else though so I'm sure she did well.

It sells decent. Not amazing, but decent.

Evan does okay when she's not throwing out lame references, and ABT does good background characters when he draws something that isn't a closeup.

>which she had made porn of and distributed online years ago
post links

But there are 3 worlds across 2 or 3 universes.
Classic Sonic
Modern Sonic
Human World
The first page of issue one pretty much layed out what events are canon to this Sonic, which are the Modern games from Adventure 1 to Sonic Forces. This Sonic has been to the human world before. The events of those games are approximately what happened in this series.

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it's a reference to this, newfag

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reminder that if we were to consider their cameos as actual appearances, it makes her chameleon character an effeminate male at best, trans at worst

I'm aware, jackass.
Guess what? References don't change that it's fucking boring. They took a cute, low effort extra and made it the centerpiece of a story in a visual medium.

It was cooler in Sonic Heroes, and it was barely cool then.

How long is this zombot shit going to go on. It's only been a few issues and it's already dragging.

>Dummy Rings thicc

The arc actually started back in 13, and according to solicitations it will continue through 20 at bare minimum. It's going to end in December just like the Metal arc.

God, why so they have to do these drawn-out arcs all the time. Just do a bunch of loosely connected episodic stories that occasionally tie into something bigger. This shit's so tedious.

>AN
>FUCKING
>ENTIRE YEAR
>this boring awful shallow arc managed with a complete incompetent writer will last for the ENTIRE YEAR

Fuck that. Fuck that SO hard. IDW Sonic is completely dead. There's no way Archie Sonic died for this. You better not be kidding my face.

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Gotta sell trade paperbacks somehow.

>you people
Cool paranoia. He did fucking amazing work before the reboot shit, and even after that he did well. YOU people have been lying about him being bad for years, and it hasn't ever held water.

lol

The solicit to #19 lists it as "part one" and is still on Zombots. You're stuck with this shit until September at earliest.

Until december.

I like how you sidestepped him getting one upped by Evan and a British nobody last week. That said, he's done good and bad stories from the very start. In fact, 160/161 aside, his run is nearly unreadable until 171.

There's a chance it ends in August with #20.

Unlikely. Or rather, it might "end" in 20 but you'll then get a few issues of "cleaning up" and setting up season 3 etc. The whole thing will only end in December.

Seriously, 15 and 16 should be the same issue. Eggman does something, and Sonic recovers from the cliffhanger of the previous issue. That's how this whole series feels though. If this series came out twice per month or weekly that might be acceptable, but as a monthly series the pace is grueling. Early Sonic was just a joke book, but somehow Michael Gallagher and Angelo DeCesare were able to fit in more adventures and world building per issue than Flynn ever has in IDW, and for a lot of his time in Archie it sounds like (I stopped reading around 230 or so).
Also, seriously, what's up with this issue telling us that Sonic's run to Tails' workshop halted the virus, rather than showing us that? I'm not asking for much, just a few panels. Resolving the cliffhanger of panel is bad storytelling I feel like.

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It being a joke book was part of why it was able to jam so much in, when developments don't need any reaction or weight you can do them in half a page easily. Don't pretend decompression hasn't been a thing over all of comics, and is as much a part of the writing evolving as it is writers artificially padding things out for trades.

Jennifer Hernandez isn't new, she worked for archie (stories she did the art for include the first half of Waves of Change, various Sonic Boom issues with Ryan Jampole, and the back up stories in the issues leading up to Panic in the Sky). Though her archie stuff looked a lot better than her IDW stuff; her doing her art digitally with her own inks makes it pretty stiff, the colorist on issue 3 (Heather Breckel) seemed to be phoning it in, and Jen's own colors in the annual ain't that hot. I'd say Jen's art would look way more professional if a competent colorist was involved.

also if she did more background work
she absolutely needs to improve her backgrounds, or be teamed with an inker who'll compensate for her 1940s-comics-tier bland BG

I never used to care much about the early Archie issues but going back to them I've really come to appreciate them. The humor's corny but I like the spontaneity and wackiness of it. Has almost a silver age vibe.

There really wasn't much world building in the early years. You just had knothole, robotroplis, lake of rings, and throw away location for the issue.

Which is still more than this IDW run has.

You don't even need to go that far, even just a good colorist would make the backgrounds look better; Evan Stanley's backgrounds seen in the Tangle & Whisper mini preview have a similar level of sparseness as Jen Hen's, but look more visually interesting thanks to Matt Herms' texture work

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>It *HAS* to be like this, don't you see?!
Nah, user's got the right if it. There's no good reason why Sonic and Amy's jaunt into the mines and run in with zombot Rough & Tumble wasn't a cold open, leading into Sonic/Tails/Whisper exposition/shilling/contemplation, ending with Eggman's air raid on the village. Yiu could also flip it, having the cold open zombie outbreak, Sonic and Amy tussle with Zombot Rough and Tumble, issue ends with Tangle and Tails talking with Sonic about what went down befire cutting to the virus encroaching on a city. There's just a lot of superfluous panels that say absolutely nothing and so little is conveyed per issue.

I wonder how much of this is Ian's fault and how much is the fault of editorial forcing him to drag this out as much as possible for trade purposes. I feel like Ian was much better with pacing early on, around the time of the Eggman Empire and Enerjak arcs. But then with Iron Dominion, under a new editor, he just started draaaaagging every storyline out for months and it only got worse with Mecha Sally and ESPECIALLY Shattered World.

Whose idea was it to divide the comic into year-long "seasons"?

>Evan Stanley's backgrounds seen in the Tangle & Whisper mini preview have a similar level of sparseness as Jen Hen's
Buddy, you need new eyes. Jen's background linework is MSPaint tier.

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While a similar concept it is being used different. In Archie, it was just mostly a way of subordination or to make more powerful minions for Eggman.

In IDW it's being used as more of a zombie apocalypse story.

Similar concepts, different applications. Whatever if you prefer one over the other, I'm just pointing out that it's a bit unfair to compare both as if they were the same.

god this looks like an amateur webcomic from 2008.

to me, the ugliest parts are the color gradients used

Mike and Angelo were borrowing heavily from Silver and Bronze Age comics they grew up with. Hell, Archie Sonic is basically just a better version of Roy Thomas' Captain Carrot.

No, because thanks to Mania, the Hooligans, alongside Mighty & Ray are now considered Classic Sonic characters; And Sega now considers Classic and Modern Sonic different "series" that can't interact much with one another because SEGA is fucking stupid.

Then you don't have an eye for linework, friend. No offense, that's just a WAY bigger problem. You could color those panels like Claud Monet; it'd still be flat and uninteresting.

This. Before Archie Sonic ended, everyone were whining about how the Unleashed arc sucked and how everyone wanted to move on from it.

Now that it's gone you're all are missing it despite completely trashing it before.

Can't remember how Diana used to draw background characters, but just to keep things informed Diana only worked on the Sonic scenes on this particular issue. All the scenes of Eggman & Starline unleashing the virus goop was made by Jack Lawrence and Matt Herms colored both.

People liked the tourney arc and were excited that the comic was finally transitioning to shorter stories. Then we get *more* long arcs in IDW with even less content and substance. Of course people will prefer the old shit; it was the same shit, just slightly less bad and finally improving.

She did pretty good background characters imo. Only artist to make humans blend in seamlessly.

God I'm still disappointed we'll never get the issue where Sonic helps Honey with a porn shoot.

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Because name locations bad and fans wanted sonic/eggman to be more mobile like the games.

We're currently on par with Archie till brave new world/ post 50 where locations have weight.

Ian mentioned in the bumblekast that we wouldn't get most of the names of the towns visited because most of them would be one-off, and that we would get names for the towns that showed up more than once (Tangle's hometown from issue 4 was named Spiral Hill Village in the annual, the town Dr. Tinker was at got named Windmill Village in issue 13)

The tourney arc was just a small jewel on the whole Unleashed arc. The only reason people put Archie on a pedestal is because they don't know what was planned for the future, but it was obvious the short stories would be minor and we'd soon have jumped into another long arc. Because that's HOW Ian writes.

I hate that people are just going "Whaaa old stuff good = new stuff bad". if you didn't like Ian's stuff back then you probably are not gonna enjoy it down and VICEVERSA.

B-but we need more old levels back so I can clap because they d-did the reference!

There's no difference in the "weight" of locations in Archie. Sonic fights in the same bland plains and corridors nearly every issue regardless. All that changed was the pretension.

>I expected some level of betrayal or Eggman getting pissed.
Did you miss last issue?

We don't need old levels at all. Just make locations that are vibrant and memorable even if they're one-offs.

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Aaaaah sonic megadrive will never be concluded

I don't disagree with you on the fact that he writes that way, I'm just saying that's why people have that reaction.

I would argue on the level of enjoyment, however. Ian's been getting worse over time in addition to having run out of tricks. I can't pretend to understand why, but his weak points have grown in severity as years roll by, with dialogue growing ever more stiff, reference humor becoming increasingly grating and awkward, per-chapter conflict becoming more formulaic, etc. Dude's recent output is just kinda bad. I never thought I'd say Evan wrote a better story than him, but she crushed him last week. He needs a break or to rethink his entire approach.

>He doesn't want to watch cure fuzzy creatures living their normal lives before getting PG violently murdered.

Wow, that's amazingly fucked up.

I feel like this is going to give someone a symbiote fetish.

There's a rabbit and bear on this very page, though.

Ian didn't literally admit he played it safe for year one, but one can easily get that impression from various things he said (such as stuff along the lines of him easing into the world building in explicit contrast to him choosing the main first plot of the reboot for the sake of worldbuilding, and that he was surprised that Sega approved his year 2 pitch and he didn't need to use his safer backup)

I like how this unfurls.

Remember the Prelates? I think that more or less did it for Sonic fans already.

in case anyone is curious, the artists slated for the upcoming issues are:
17: Yardley
18: Skelly
19: Jack Lawrence
Tangle & Whisper mini: Evan

just give skelly all the issues

God, I wish they went back to a bi-weekly format. I'd be fully willing for them to take a 6 month break or so just to prep the next batch of comics if it meant the plot went somewhere at a pace faster than Paranatural's.

>I never thought I'd say Evan wrote a better story than him, but she crushed him last week.
That's some nice exaggeration user.

we'll technically go back to that format (I'm assuming you're talking about the days when we had both the main book and Universe) once we get the Tangle/Whisper mini, but only temporarily

k then

to be honest the only iffy story in the annual writing wise was Caleb's

>went somewhere at a pace faster than Paranatural's
Anyone who is still reading Paranatural know that isn't true.

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VERY NICE

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The lead story of the annual was crap, I don't know what you're trying to say.

Kochalka was weak too.

not as weak as Caleb's story, but yeah the ending was a bit abrupt and Jon's art did the heavy lifting

The annual was bad over all
>Flynn's story was set-up for the mini
>Caleb's was pointless
>Cavan's was boring but saved by Skelly
>Kochalka's was insultingly bad

Evan had the only redeeming entry

Cavan's felt kinda like a backup story from sonic the comic.
Jack's art kinda gives off "sonic the comic"-y vibes as well at times
>they're both brits

>Cavan's was boring.
People like you are why we can't have good comics.

basado and silvazepilled

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That you're overplaying Evan's story. It was a nice small character moment but it didn't "crush" anything.

>good comics
That was a two page action sequence, not a story

>Sonic Man Heroes never ever
it still fucking hurts

Compared to shit, yes, that's absolutely crushing it.

That's partially editorial for sure, but also it does feel like he really does not care about the world right now. I think he's just been burned too many times and needs a fresh face that hasn't had their work trashed.

>>SoJ stuck with samurai mentality

She can't handle the schedule, unfortunately. Or at least she couldn't, that's why her arc ended with another artist.

I'm not sure how Rough and Tumble trying to raid a pyramid, butting heads with Rouge, waking up the Egg Golem, getting scared off by Rouge, and the reveal that she was protecting a bunch of foxes is less of a story than SONIC FIND METAL SONIC AND FIGHT HIM THEN JUMP OFF PLANE, especially since one is 7 pages and the other is 20.

Cavan's main gig is writing doctor who realated stuff; Audio serials for Big Finish, books, and comics. He also writes for IDW's Star Wars Adventures series (as well actual Star Wars books)

The weakest thing about the Annual story was the presence of Rough and Tumble. Besides that I absolutely agree. I have no problem with the comic slowing down for impact or big splash pages, but the main series is dragging its feet every issue.

>The weakest thing about the Annual story was the presence of Rough and Tumble
but they were actually *fun* in that issue. and unlike issue 12, where the way they were entertaining was mostly thanks to the art, they were entertaining in that even at the script level

Not really. I don't like them much either, but they were perfectly fine in that story because they had clear cut character traits and reacted according to them. I'd have preferred if the story focused on Rouge from the start, but it works this way too. It's the best story in the IDW run so far and it hurts me that people are so dismissive of it just because it's simple and goofy.

I think you meant 13.

both 12 and 13 actually
13's def the most entertaining they've been writing wise under Ian

so assuming no more delays, the upcoming issues should come out on:
>issue 17
May 22nd (2 weeks from now; this is actually a week earlier than the solicits originally had it. This is also when the reprint of the TSR book comes out)
>issue 18
June 26th (5 weeks after issue 17, 7 weeks from now)
>issue 19
July 24th (4 weeks after issue 18, 11 weeks from now)
>Tangle & Whisper mini 1
July 31st (1 week after issue 19, 12 weeks from now)

They've been pretty bad about delaying the book already.

>and that he was surprised that Sega approved his year 2 pitch and he didn't need to use his safer backup
>Somehow something as simple as a zombie outbreak-style story had the possibility of being shot down by SEGA.

Yeah, I now realize SEGA's definitely putting on pressure. Ian have wrote crazier shit in Universe and he even said Universe was one of the first archie books SEGA actually gave approval. The new shake up probably doesn't let him get away with much stuff to be so panicked.

I am not surprised nor I blame them. These are the dumb japs who told Crush 40 to change the lyrics of Team Sonic Racing from "Midnight Ride" to "Green Light Ride" because the idiots took the lyrics too literally and told Crush 40 "No, the game has no driving at midnight. change it!"

>Yeah, I now realize SEGA's definitely putting on pressure.
Or Ian's overcompensating like a moron.

You know damn well the Sonic autists would start bitching about how there's no night stages.

Is it weird when I saw that cover thumbnail I thought it was stylized fanart of the sonic ice cream bar

No, I understand user.

Never in Sonic Adventure 2 you hang on the edge of anything, or tomorrow.

Or in Knuckles SA1 story he ever flexes his muscles.

Complaining about lyrics is the most petty asinine shit ever.

Maybe its a mix of both. Sega putting a closer eye while ian also becoming super paranoid after already losing his darling book once.

Damn you Penders, damn you Archie!

I miss Honey

>It's the best story in the IDW run so far

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wrong comic

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I DON'T LIKE HOW THEY MADE EGGMAN A FUCKING GINGER

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Imagine if the Sonic IP wasn't mismanaged and owned by Sega anymore and was handed to a more competent company, who would that be Yea Forums ?

These background furries are much better than the ugly messes that the Archie series started off with. It's like Looney Toons had no idea what it wanted to be and had no consistent design or style and we just had to accept that they came from the same planet as the more consistently designed Sega characters.

Unironically Hasbro. I mean Sonic is practically MLP without the stigma of it being for girls and arguable has the same level of autistic fanbase.

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FUCK IAN FLYNN I HATE HIM SO MUCH

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

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>Evan had the only redeeming entry

Die in a fire silver.

So no one, then?

Especially without a huge abundance of Shadow, a character tailor made for ongoing plots

Sonic fans were austistic before we started using the word autistic to mean retarded fan.

Shadows been written half assed recently, I wonder of Ian dislikes the character.

Nah, is more like SEGA doesn't know what to do to him.

Ian admitted SEGA's new stance on team Dark being that they don't work together...even thought we have seen and known they work together before.

They have been flipflopping on if Shadow is a 100% dickbag or just a friendlier rival so for once I won't pin it on Ian.

Name a better one. Go ahead.
It's the only well paced, competent story we've gotten.

Why do people get so mad that other people don't think Ian writes very good stories anymore?

That's pretty bad, they probably dropped that Shadow and Rouge are GUN agents too.

That hasn't been a thing for 13 years, user.

>let’s send the fat man packing
Wow. Fat shaming in 2019. I won’t be buying this trash for my kids.

Sounds like you didn't know the reference and are overcompensating by shouting down the reasons given to you.

Of course a fighting battle issue with the main arc boss wouldn't get that much story done. The fighting fanservice and art saved it for me. It was very fun to view it. One of the good issues.

The post you replied to makes both Ian sides seem very butthurt mad.

But fatties always needs to be shamed.

>This looks like fucking shit.
>But it's a reference.
>I know, it's still awful.
>Liar, you didn't actually know.
What are you even trying to say? Putting aside your insistence that I must be lying since I dislike it, why does it matter that it's a reference? How does that change that it's shit? Even if it did matter, Sonic Heroes is so old and unpopular that an esoteric reference won't land for most of the target audience. Neo Metal works because Metal is a co stand through many games and that alternate form is easy enough to look up, but for most kids won't this visual callback just be ugly designs for its own sake?

The designs aren't ugly, you just have a distaste for the reboot in general and are too impatient to let the comic grow into what it was before the IDW reboot.

>The designs aren't ugly
Bitch they are LITERALLY recolors, it is difficult to be less visually interesting with robots/zombies. This is a terrible aesthetic for a year long story, especially when the series has a history fir great visual design.
>you just have a distaste for the reboot in general
Not really, no, I dislike this element and how the main writer is scripting the book. I'm fine with the tone and status of the series and like several of the artists. Not everyone who's unsatisfied is upset with the comic on a fundamental level.
>and are too impatient to let the comic grow into what it was before the IDW reboot.
I don't want it to become the old comic. I'd like it to be its own thing. I'd also like that new thing to not be shit and play to the brand's strengths. I don't know what books you follow where a full year and almost 400 pages is too soon to start airing your grievances, but maybe you should read better comics.

Sonic is the villain of this arc.

Evans was equally as boring and eventless as the other ones

It's fucking sad actually

Well what do you consider a good, eventful story, user?

>taking the bait
Just stop, user. There's no winning.

They did, apparently Shadow just sometimes cooperates with them to reach his own goal but does not work for them.

>but maybe you should read better comics.
Should take your own advice

I don't wanna "win," I want anons to actually discuss the book and their feelings on it. I'd actually like to be wrong, but all I get is shitposting and deflection. You probably have similar opinions, but throw me a bone here in their stead, user. What do you like so far? What do you dislike? Favorite/least favorite stories? Why? What are you looking for in a Sonic comic?

Who fucking cares? Shut up and read, post pics, make jokes and then get out and do something with the rest of your day.

That's a good thing.

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I kinda want to get into reading sonic comics and my favorite character is metal sonic, I heard he had a main villain arc in the comics, is that true? And if so what issue #s were that? or what was the arc called cuz I want to start reading it. Something about him making metal sonic replicas or collecting all the old versions of metal sonic and attacking with them? I dunno I just heard he was the main villain for a while

I miss Naugus.

>I'm starting to feel attracted to the cute lemur

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>Discussing comics on the comics discussion board is bad.

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You're thinking of Sonic the Comic, a British zine from the 90s. It had a Dr. Who send up called "The Brotherhood of Metallix," which is the thing you heard about. The story starts from #59, but it relies on past events and the comics are a quick read, so you may as well start from #1.

I don't know man, I like what's going on for this arc. A global infection will quickly be able to establish all the other characters not yet shown and put them all in an urgent situation to survive. It will condense the character together my the end of the arc and from that point on there will be less long winded introductions to what every character has going on for them.

I still don't fully understand what you want other than the robot zombies to look cooler, maybe things aren't as skin deep in a visual medium.

>People bitched about the pacing of the Archie reboot since there was an emphasis on world building and establishment that slowed the pace to a crawl
>characters are kind of shallow with how many there are to introduce
>IDW Sonic has the opposite problem with only a few characters to give depth to and story moves a bit quicker compared to Archie Reboot
>There is no established world to sink my teeth into

My autism is flaring with no world to obsess over. Waifus can only make me so interested.

With the way the current arc is paced, Sonic will have to keep moving and go all over the world to solve the crisis. It's reminiscent to the way Sonic and team were traveling to all kinds of shattered worlds before it was repaired in the end.

100% this

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He's David Bowie.

I don't think Ian wants that same crowd bitching at him for having too many OCs abound. We probably won't even get nations established. At best we'll get more towns named. Nothing substantial will be established.

>in this series

This. I was following Archie Sonic since I was a kid, it was the book that got me into comics, and even though it went to shit, under Penders, it recovered amazingly and I was genuinely interested in the bizarre shit Flynn was doing while he was completely off the leash. Bunnie struggling with being de-roboticized, Rotor retiring to be on the Knothole Council along with Uncle Chuck, and Ixis Naugus coming back and actually legit trying to rule new Mobotropolis instead of just being a power-hungry despot. I'm sure there was more I forgot, but goddamn it was disappointing to have it all tossed under the rug for a fucking Sonic Unleashed adaptation. As far as I'm concerned, the first soft reboot that happened after Worlds Collide was the moment the comic died. Everything that followed was pretty tainted and obviously handicapped by Sega mandates. I think the last arc I enjoyed in any capacity was The Fighters arc, that was wicked fun.

That's fine so long as the writing's good.

Now imagine if she were voiced by Ashleigh Ball.

Sega's policies didn't change, I think Ian just floundered of his own accord.

This.
I miss chaotic neutral fox.

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Yeah, they took a really cool and menacing concept from the archie series and made it look boring as hell. It's like a fisher price version of it.

Thanks that's what I was looking for!

>A global infection will quickly be able to establish all the other characters not yet shown and put them all in an urgent situation to survive. It will condense the character together my the end of the arc and from that point on there will be less long winded introductions to what every character has going on for them.
user, I asked you what you like and dislike, not what you hope future issues that don't exist yet will do. What do you like about the sixteen issues that have actually been published?

>I still don't fully understand what you want other than the robot zombies to look cooler, maybe things aren't as skin deep in a visual medium.
Why do you have to be such a passive aggressive bitch? I said that was a problem, not why I'm annoyed with the comics as they are. My issue is with the pacing and the lack of variety from issue to issue. The vast majority have been the same story with a different coat of paint and the ones that aren't tend to stretch a point out as thin as it can in order to extend the length of a story arc. That's my beef, not the lame designs for the zombots.

Your not going to get the same kind of plot-lines that were made pre 'worlds collide'. In any new comic series that intends to be a long running adaption, you usually start off with basic concepts that give the readers a clear understanding of the protagonists and antagonists. One thing you need to remember is that the IDW reboot has the best chance to bring in new readers in the first few issues so they can't complicate the plot right away.

The slow boil approach to story is something I enjoy and in fact the style of comics that try to fit an entire arc with-in four chapters has been an obstacle for new reader for years. It's why manga has been rising while comics have been declining.

>I'd actually like to be wrong
How are you going to be wrong on opinions and preferences?

He was the main villain for the first 12 issues of IDW

>In any new comic series that intends to be a long running adaption, you usually start off with basic concepts that give the readers a clear understanding of the protagonists and antagonists. One thing you need to remember is that the IDW reboot has the best chance to bring in new readers in the first few issues so they can't complicate the plot right away.
Yeah, I agree with that actually. That's why I find the repetition frustrating, I wish the first several issues were more like the stories in the annual. No need for context, just throw the characters out there in entertaining little stories so the audience can get a feel for them.
>The slow boil approach to story is something I enjoy and in fact the style of comics that try to fit an entire arc with-in four chapters has been an obstacle for new reader for years.
Yeah that's fair. I'd be cool with it if the pacing was fine. Thing is, less is being said per issue than your average 20 page manga chapter, and these are coming out monthly instead of weekly.
>It's why manga has been rising while comics have been declining.
That's an entirely different thing that has to do with accessibility, price point, diversity, stylization and culture in general. A lot of the best selling manga are episodic rather than long form stories.

Thank you for just saying what you mean, I actually appreciate it very much.

If someone convinces me that I've misunderstood something or I'm approaching it from the wrong perspective. You've never really disliked something and gone back to it to find it was better/worse than you initially thought?

Now why did you have to say thank you. I enjoy being a passive aggressive bitch.

>Sega's policies didn't change
uh, yes they did? The majority of the book's lore and characters were sealed off.

Because fuck you. But also it's nice to know where you're coming from and why you enjoy it. I've just been burned too many times to put my hope in a long-term story getting better eventually if it doesn't start strong.

That's not Sega policy, that's Archie deciding to avoid future legal kerfuffles.
And then they got into a future legal kerfuffle because they just couldn't help themselves.

>You've never really disliked something and gone back to it to find it was better/worse than you initially thought?
No, if I like or dislike something it's because it is what it is, not what I "perceived" it to be. I don't know what you think would change your opinion of the comic but I doubt you'll get it from someone else.

Man, I feel bad for you if your opinions on things never change.

Just means I'm not a flip flopping asshole who calls something shit at one point then call it kino the next.

Why are you projecting on to me, user? There's a big difference between a rational argument making someone reconsider if something isn't as good/bad as they thought it was and hearing an opinion and deciding something is garbage/amazing. Do you just want to shitpost and you're angry you have nothing to shitpost about?

>Why are you projecting on to me, user?
Who said I was?

I'm not playing that game. Sleep tight, user.

What game? I was just saying it was better than being someone whose opinions change at the drop of a hat. You need to stop jumping to conclusions.

>seething over sonic comics
Just read it or don't my dude

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If it weren't for seething, autistic rants, we wouldn't even have a Sonic comic right now.

Nigger, Mania had nothing to do with that shit. Iizuka disbanded all references to the "classic era" since Sonic Heroes. Mighty and Ray was going to be picked as team members for the game, but Iizuka choice to bring back his Sonic recolor OC from the dead over that shit, and retcon the Chaotix and Metal to not be tied to their debut games since. Iizuka created the series of "story telling Sonic" since SA1 to ShTH, all games he directed. Any and all reasons "Mania is why X is" is all Iizuka's fault. He hates connecting anything to do with the era he didn't direct the series under, and as such, disbands any and all games not based between SA1 and ShTH as "alternatives/different dimensions". The fact a "human world" was coined from him, when it was him that directed said games minus Unleashed, proves this. Hell the fact Kishimoto didn't start making it clear Sonic was on a "different World" until Forces, which was after Iizuka made up the whole 2 worlds comment, proves Kishimoto himself didn't care until Iizuka had to open his mouth.

It's just like Miyamoto with characters like Wario, Daisy and Waluigi.

you're aware naka was still the one in charge back during heroes

>. These are the dumb japs who told Crush 40 to change the lyrics of Team Sonic Racing from "Midnight Ride" to "Green Light Ride" because the idiots took the lyrics too literally and told Crush 40 "No, the game has no driving at midnight. change it!"
...What the actual fuck. Where did you get this from? If this is even 1% true, I'm certain there's no hope from SEGA with Sonic anymore. Literally everything they touch directly get's fucked up thanks to them.

>who would that be Yea Forums ?
Evening Star, Sumo or Traver's Tales. Anyone else and it would be filled to the prime with
>Nintendo - Safe and soulless, yes even more than the shit we got now, jsut not buggy and near broken
>Capcom - Dead. They can barely keep Mega Man alive
>Sony - Made into even more of a interactive movie then current Sonic with even more asine story telling for "edgy shitters"
>Microsoft - Dead
>Ubisoft - They may make something good for Sonic like once, but then fuck it up with them adding Rabbids to it then tossing him to the trashbin Rayman shares (fitting they end up together somehow)

Either the fans save Sonic, or he dies alone.

Naka was PRODUCER, he had nothing to do with the stories of those games, the DIRECTOR controls how the stories would be. All Naka did was ok'd it, nothing more. Iizuka wanted Shadow back, and Naka was like "well, ok, we'll find a way to make it work." And that's it.

Bump

Nice fanfic.

How you figure?

(You)

Metal Sonic doesn't have a big arc in Archie, he does have some standout issues though. One of the last comics before the reboot was him hunting down an old version of himself that had turned good, and tearing the bot up.

Archie's world was always too concerned with boxing itself in, there was never any wriggle room on how the world was comprised. I don't know how they ran into that issue multiple times when new locations to run through has always been so vital to the games. Did they think Sonic games would just stop making up places?

The slow boil would be fine if it didn't mean we had what, three or four Rough and Tumble attacks by now? And everything else has just been either a generic Badnik attack on a town or raiding an Eggman base without crazy Eggman base visuals. The characters are mostly written well but they aren't given enough to do or interesting locales to do those things in. The little side stories like Blaze teaching Silver how to farm are at least interesting.

Was it rape?

I'll fucking take it. This arc is much more interesting than the Neo Metal Sonic arc.

Ian got his start being one of those nerds on forums making long ass posts about what was wrong with Archie Sonic akin to what user is doing here.

Ian was a big fan of the comic though (which is damning of itself), he wasn't making scatching reviews like Dan Drazen, he was writing fanscripts.

How can Sega have such strict limits imposed on the comics, and yet Paramount was able to absolutely slaughter the design of Sonic?

Crash 40 themselves said it in an interview. Green Light Ride was the first time Sega ever asked them to change lyrics.

Every adaptation is handled separately, and the movie was probably considered a new line like Boom or X. Even then, I remember there being lots of talk about how Sega had to be negotiated with for the movie's design.

Would love to see her in those 80's short shorts with the slits in the sides

>literally the only good thing from 06 is that it gave an end to Shadow's arc by making him go from villain in SA2, to neutral in Heroes, then to anti-hero in Shadow, and finally arguably a full on hero but just slightly more of a dick in 06
>it gets retconned because Sega can't into long running character arcs

Sonic should have died with 06.

I mean, Shadow's still a good guy asshole post-06, he just doesn't necessarily have a job. It was always kind of weird that his character arc culminated in working for the military organization that murdered his Maria.

Still doesn't excuse the fact Sega's overall been raping their own lore and character development. Do I even need to bring up how Tails became co-dependent to Sonic yet again in Forces when his entire arc in Adventure was him becoming his own person?

Shadow was right yet again.

The art in this comic is so comfy

>the movie was probably considered a new line like Boom or X.
I hate how Sega basically treats Sonic like a toy line but doesn't have the capacity nor compentency of a toy company to treat it as such.

Unleashed being lame/predictable doesn't mean other elements like the new ensemble casts every other issue and higher overall energy weren't pluses. IDW just made people realize what they had going for them, it's basically Disney Wars vs. Prequel Wars all over again.

From the way they react to it, it sounds like they just took the money and ran.

>It was always kind of weird that his character arc culminated in working for the military organization that murdered his Maria.
It made sense since Rouge, who he trusts, and the GUN Commander, who had a similar connection with Maria and reconciled with, ran it now. Plus Shadow wasn't really the wandering hero type like Sonic, he always needed a purpose or mission to carry out.

I like how Eggman is already probing Starline for any signs of regrets. He knows how fucked up this is.

If they don't wear pants, they're a dude.

Personally, I like the Zombots' designs. It allows for more PG body horror you couldn't get with roboticization.

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Which never made sense considering dudes have external genitalia

>dudes have external genitalia
Not cartoon furries.

>Roboticization
>Threatening

Spotted the SatAMfag.

it is.
Look outside.

I know Sonic isn't the Punisher, but why do they let Eggman live if he does shit like this?

>the new ensemble casts every other issue
That was a bad thing. It meant every other issue was a non-story to introduce yet more characters who would never be used.

... it is, through? Why the hell it wouldn't be?

Nintendo is a wold card. We could get world building and terrific stories like what Mario had in the Game Cube era, we could have it go through a sterile phase like in the Wii era or we can see something like what Nintendo did with Mario Odyssey.

Sony could give it a good home but it wouldn't have many risky games and might only last for a gen or two.

Ubisoft will take it to the farm where Rayman is.

A comic provider is not as powerful as a movie publisher. Sega probably just sold the film right to Paramount because that's the best they could do.

Nintendo is Sonic's best bet
Hollywood is still stuck in the Atari era mentality only now it's PS1 era

>Nintendo is a wild card.
It depends on which of their dev teams they'd hand the IP to.
I personally would like to see what Retro could do with it.

I'm hoping that whatever cure is found won't completely restore a person completely turned, like they'll have some kind of handicap or condition to further build up the consequences of Eggman coming back.

>I'm hoping that whatever cure is found won't completely restore a person completely turned
Sonic's infected, so that's a no-go, sport.

Retro may have grade A game designers but they play it safe when it comes to characters and story.

The DK games under their wing were very sterile, the over-world looked like something out of NSMB and all the kongs and kritters were subbed out for a pig and generic animals.... and fucking wood.

Tropical Freeze did better but it still comes second to the personality that Rareware brought in the SNES trilogy.

Not fully infected. If he's impaled he won't turn to goo so there's that.

They also turned their newest OCs who they want to use as recurring bad guys into goop monsters, so no, it's gonna be undone all nice and easy.

I'm talking about re-precautions like how Bunny was part machine only maybe it can be made into an advantage for some but a detriment or disability for others.

I can imagine some willingly submit to Eggman because they are completely cured and don't want to live disabled.

It's a virus that turns you into a fucking zombie. You're not getting a repeat of roboticization long term here, the arc is going to end and everything will be normal again, just like last year.

>some willingly submit to Eggman because they are completely cured

are not completely, derp!

>re-precautions
Repercussions.

>Sega probably just sold the film right to Paramount
AGAIN, they did not do this. They gave it to SONY, then Sony fucked up and sold it off to Paramount afterwards.

Ian thinks Shadow is only a hype tool to make his self insert Sonic look cooler and smarter.

Ian loves Shadow, he just doesn't want to jerk him off.

They still sold it wither way, I think Nintendo has more pull for the Mario movie cause Miyamoto is overseeing the project. The Best Sega can do is get angry but Paramount has all the power from what I understand.

Ian doesm't write like that. Keep this mind: he hates the Babylon Rogues but will still write them in his stories.

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Sega just sold the license and bailed confirmed.

Is that why he took out Super Neo who was kicking Sonic and Knuckles' asses?

Please don't try to reason with Shadowfags, they think anything less than his being either the protagonist or deutragonist is an insult.

But I am a Shadowfag...

No, you're a Shadow fan. Big difference.