End Game Q&A from Russo Brothers

There was never a question about alternate realities. The whole movie was about alternate realities.

Q: Was old Cap played Evans using make up? Or it was also post production CG?
A: 95%CG, 5% make up. But the voice was 100% Evans, no modification for that.

Q: Can you get the soul your sacrficed for the Soul Stone back when you return it?
A: No, the process is irreversible. Even if you have returned it to its original location, you wouldn't be able to get the person back. In fact, it's not really returning the stone, more like put it back properly. The tribute soul for the soul stone will forever be sealed in that place, therefore Black Widow is gone forever.

Q: How would Cap react when he encounter Red Skull when he returned the stone?
A: Red Skull would probably put the soul stone back to its location, and wait for the next unfortunate stone seeker to make sacrifice. Cap and Red Skull probably won't fight. It's because it's his mission to return the stone to its original place. The Red Skull is also no longer the same Red Skull from FA. He is more like a ghost, you could almost say he's a completely different entity now. He only exist to guard the stone, his past conscious may or may not exist anymore.

Q: In IW, Thanos used the time stone to reverse the time so he could the already dead Vision, and it didn't cause any time parallax. Why did no one use time stone to save Ironman's life in EG?
A: It's because even if you save Ironman, it will still not change the fact that Thanos will eventually win the war. Among the 14million possibilities that Doctor Strange has seen, Ironman's sacrifice is a must for that one win scenario.
This answer is pretty confusing and doesn't make much sense.

>by going back you create alternate timelines
No, nope. Not how it works. Not because the movie claims so and definitely not because the director says so.

>Did Chris also become fat for the roll
>roll

He explains this when Warmachine talks about strangling Baby Thanos, you're so retarded that even if the Russos came down and beat your head in with the fucking explanation you'd still cry about you misunderstanding the ancient one scene.

I thought it was Iron Man cause he had the nanotech trick.

Were they simply negate Earth 313?

>therefore Black Widow is gone forever.
HACKS

So to you the movie and the director are both wrong? Take your headcanon and shove it, retardanon.

Q: How did Thanos bring his army to the future?
A: There is a guy called Maw in his army, he was a great wizard. Thanos himself was a brilliant genius as well. Those two easily reverse engineered and mass produced Pym Particles.

Q: What about those people who got dusted? What did those five years mean to them? Why didn't they grow older when undusted?
A: Yes, those people whom was lucky to survive the snap are 5 years older than the people who just got back. The reason Spider Man saw his friend again in high school at the end was simply because his friends was unfortunately also dusted like Spider Man was. Of course, there are people in his grade whom didn't die and they are probably already in colleges by now. To those dusted people, they had no conscious in these past 5 years. They didn't know what happened. It's as if they had just woke up from a long sleep. The only one who was aware about how many years has passed was Doctor Strange, because he has already seen that when he was time mediating on Titan. Parker's reunion with Nat was a touching moment. There are also people whom indeed moved on but suddenly was reunited with their lost ones. Yeah it's kind a complicated world now.

Q: What if the mouse didn't press the button to turn on the quantum machine, wouldn't that stop EG from happening? Isn't this a bit too much a coincidence?
A: Yes, the MOUSE SAVED UNIVERSE. Among the many realities in those 14millions possible futures Doctor Strange foresee, the mouse failed to press button and thus the heroes failed in those futures.

Would they*, sorry, I'm tired

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Q: EG's plot, is it a parallel universe or a closed time loop?
A: Nope, not a time loop. Both Ancinet One and Hulk were right. You can't change the future by simply going back to past. But it's possible to create a different alternate future. It's not butterfly effect. Every decision you made in the past could potentially create a new timeline. For example, the old Cap at the end movie, he lived his married life in a different universe from the main one. He had to make another jump back to the main universe at the end to give the shield to Sam.

Q: There were some metal smashing sound when the movie ended. Was that easter egg? or just a tribute to Ironman, or maybe an implication that Ironman will return?
A: It was our way to say goodbye to him.

Q: Why there was no Ironman's body in his funeral, only his arc reactor? And is there any secret messages for bring back that kid from Ironman3?
A: We just feel that he should participate in Ironman's funeral. As for whether he will appear again in future, who knows.

Q: Why didn't Black Widow get a funeral as well?
A: Did you forget when the heroes where mourning for her after when they returned from past? Maybe her funeral happened off screen. Maybe it will be shown in future installment, because there are still tons of stories in MCU that are waiting to be tell.

Why does Strange want Tony dead so much? Does he want to fuck widow Pepper?

>hose two easily reverse engineered and mass produced Pym Particles

That answers my question about that perfectly. Thanks!

i feel like that answer was obvious though

>There is a guy called Maw in his army, he was a great wizard. Thanos himself was a brilliant genius as well. Those two easily reverse engineered and mass produced Pym Particles.
BASED MAW

Doesn't Cap take Mjolnir back?

That's because you're a super smarty smart pants and Im just a dumb pleb.

>The Cap answer

Oh so he’s not even in the timeline until he decides to come back

"When you have to explain this much about your movie, do you regret using time travel as a central plot point?"

"Follow up: does it bother you that no one cares about what you wanted them to and are instead trying to figure out your stupid plot contrivances?"

>Doesn't Cap take Mjolnir back?
yes
>Oh so he’s not even in the timeline until he decides to come back
sounds like it
whats confusing to me is how they're getting back to the prime timeline from the alternates

Wait so that means Thor is stronger than CM?
That's retarded.

>A: There is a guy called Maw in his army, he was a great wizard. Thanos himself was a brilliant genius as well. Those two easily reverse engineered and mass produced Pym Particles.
my nigga maw

>the whole movie is explained by things you didn't see in the movie

The guy was considering what would've happened, the script writers indulged him. Because it was an alternate timeline, and not because of the stones.

>That's retarded.
....
honestly most of that shit was pretty clear
banner outright said loops are impossible because you can't change your past
so the confusion with cap is because he didn't show up on the bench

Don't worry kid, soon some buzzfed or CBR will do an explanation with little drawings so you can fully understand a movie made from funny books for children.

Cap will have had the GPS maybe he just returned to the big platform and quickly ran away before the big fight lol

what does proximity have to do with anything? Thanos snapped away half of the universe from Earth. he didn't walk up to every person he dusted and snap his fingers in their face.

Base Maw, my boy just keeps getting better an better. But still though
>he was a great wizard
I mean, is that literary or figuratively? He has only ever used TK and operated the computer. He has never showed MCU's type of magic (runes). Unless what we saw of him using TK is actually an alternative form of magic.

>Wait so that means Thor is stronger than CM?
He overcame a 6 stone blast and nearly killed Thanos while CM got hammered by the power stone.

But Thor got fat now

>how they're getting back to the prime timeline from the alternates
Chrono-GPS.

Its how you avoid the unfortunate fate of Sliders and Quantum Leap. Its why Stark was so important - he found the way to go back to the main timeline.

>>what does proximity have to do with anything?
Tony was able to get up close and get the stones from thanos, no one was able to get the glove from him, Tony just grabbed the stones, and that was mostly because of stark tech

CM was close

The Russo brothers aren't going to spit roast you

The answer to the Black Widow funeral question is such horseshit.

No, it means that Ironman was only one who was close to Thanos so he could snatch the stones away from him, everyone else was too far.

>He had to make another jump back to the main universe
Well that settle that. Why didn't old Cap reappear on the platform though? That's the scene that starts the whole time loop argument to begin with.

I'm sure looking forward to "Black Widow's Funeral".

No, it makes perfect sense. Do you want them to come out and say
>Because Tony Stark is more important than Black fucking Widow you goddamn imbecile. You think we're going to hamfist in some stupid fucking funeral for Natasha back to back with two people looking at it? Get out of her chink! Nobody likes Black Widow!

>Chrono-GPS.
so basically every jump is to an alternate timeline, only for them to come back to the main timeline, the one we've seen.
so even 2014 Gamora, Nebula, and Thanos are still alternates, even without them being removed from time, because you can't actually go back in YOUR timeline, the one you lived.

even if you encounter yourself, thats not you from the past, thats you from a different universe in the past.

The rules arent that complicated, but they explained it in a way that some of the way things happened on screen didn't make sense.

So it follows that they can move forward and backward on /alternate/ timelines, just not theirs

>This answer is pretty confusing and doesn't make much sense.
Not really, it means that if they rewinded Tony with the time stone that would rewind his snap and bring Thanos back

Strange sure got lucky that he didn't end up in one of the universes where someone trips on the tacos Scott spilled and drop the glove or something like that

The real answer is that they were too busy giving send-offs to more relevant characters to give her her own funeral.

Where was Jim, Russo Bros?

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So, Marvel finally copying DBZ style time travel. Ahahahaha.

I Like to imagine maw finding out that Pym particles are the equivalent of AA batteries from 7 eleven.

I like that Strange "one chance" still relied on probabilty of countless things working out instead of locking it in with giving Thanos stone/Thanos dusting half of the universe.

Space 7 Eleven

Someone mentioned in a different thread that if Strange didn't surrender, Thanos would have gone to Wakanda and slaughtered everyone, leaving no one who could fix the snap.

He takes the glove in alternate future number 7,323,625 but he becomes an even worse monster than Thanos

>lol his skin was too tough to be harmed by dimensional sorcery quick enough for 'lopping his arm off' to be an option

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>CM was close
We don't see her during the battle after after Thanos punches her with the power stone, for what we know she was buried unconscious under a mountain

>"My lord these primitive Pym particles are nothing more and modified ZZ power cells that can be found at any Space 7 Eleven
>"I see maw, go forth and bring me as many as you can and a Large Wild Cherry Slurpie"

Large Wilde Cosmic Cherry Slurl

>Why did you put Okoye on the poster even though she is in the movie for like 2 minutes?

>"Ok your total shall be 657004 credits, and here is Thanos' latest issue of Gigantic Asses"

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>doesn't get anything for the girls
No wonder Gamora ditches him right afterwards

Don't be racist

The Large Wilde Cosmic Cherry Slurl is for gamora, Nebula gets nothing.

>so basically every jump is to an alternate timeline, only for them to come back to the main timeline, the one we've seen.

Correct

>so even 2014 Gamora, Nebula, and Thanos are still alternates

Exactly, and I like that. It means that

- 2018 Gamora is gone forever, like Black Widow, sacrificed to the Soul Stone

- 2018 Thanos always won. Even when Thor killed him, he had destroyed the Stones, which may have unfortunate repercussions for Earth-199999. The Thanos that the Avengers had to defeat was an alternate, "past" Thanos, who was weaker than the Earth-199999 Thanos. And when the Avengers had to travel to alternate realities, the focus was not to prevent the past, but to undo the snap. You can't change Infinity War. You can't change the five years. I think its kind of moving, since its the same as saying "You can't change the past, but you can still make a difference."

That's not how Hulk says it works

>Nebula gets nothing.
t-thanks, father

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It's literally how he says it works.

Thanos' ship popped up a mile above the platform, so there's some relative positioning stuff. The platform isn't entirely necessary to the jump obviously, since they didn't (and couldn't) land on platforms when going into the past branch timelines.

She can play with the dead power cells

>alternate realities

>You now realize that the Avengers have created a reality where Cap has been brainwashed by the Mind Stone and, because he tipped off Hydra, is going to become a Hydra agent
>Also, Loki has escaped with the Tesseract

Good job, Steve and Tony. Fucking things up for another universe.

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> Quill: "Yo! You call this Pym particles? Dude, this are just double A batteries from space! We got tons of those things back in sector Walgreens."

Hank Pym: ^gif

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Thanos's ship appeared on the platform miniaturized, then it grew back to its normal size and punched through the ceiling. But I guess what you said makes sense.

>Quil is just dancing in the corner listening to Africa by toto on his walkman while Hank in having a breakdown on the floor.

>When Rocket dresses down Tony by reminding him he's only a genius on Earth

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It was fixed right after Cap brought stones back.

Well, he better point to the nanotech that can make Thanos bleed and the time traveling aliens that are on par with Stark.

>The Russos go out of their way to explain it's not MUH STONES and even just Cap in the past with Peggy was an alternate timeline that he explicitly had to jump back from
>People still think MUH STONES fix everything
Nope.

I don't even watch these movies but is nobody pissed off that they didn't even save their own universe and just decided to run to a better one?

He says once stones are returned new timeline vanishes

>. For example, the old Cap at the end movie, he lived his married life in a different universe from the main one. He had to make another jump back to the main universe at the end to give the shield to Sam.
YES

I WAS RIGHT, THAT FAGGOT FORCING HIS STUPID HURRRR CAP IS IN THE MAINLINE AND GREW OLD AND CAUGHT UP THE OLD FASHIONED WAY IMAGE SPAMMING BLOWN THE FUCK OUT OF THE MULTIVERSE

BASED RUSSOS SLAYING SHITPOSTERS

but they dont. they only go to the past and make brached timelines to get the stones and return to the present of their main timeline using chronal gps.

But they do save their own universe? This isn't Rick and Morty.

Nope. That's disproven by the interview posted in this very thread. Take a moment to read it.

Hard fact: Time traveling explanation isn't hard to get at all. You're just too retarded to comprehend.

>Good job, Steve and Tony. Fucking things up for another universe.
Not our problem

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They ran off to another universe and fuck their shit up so that they can fix the problems in their own universe.

Oh, disregard that then, I suck cocks.

>I don't even watch these movies
Way to make that obvious, dumbo. Nothing you said was correct.

If you were not an idiot and didn't listen to them painstakenly explain that it isn't time travel like back to the future or any those other time travel movies.
Honestly, how can you be this dense?

probably will be answered in the Marvel what if series on Disney +?

>He had to make another jump back to the main universe at the end to give the shield to Sam.
Looks like this is the most accurate interpretation of the movie then.

Bringing the stones back doesn't instantly revert that reality to how it should've originally played out before present/future Avenger interference. The Ancient One's diagram was showing her own reality's path and basing it on the assumption that nothing else changed besides the Time Stone being removed. So even though all the stones were returned, there's still a reality playing out where Thanos is completely absent, one where Steve grew old with Peggy, etc.

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They are talking about the major changes being fixed, not the new timeline being erased. They changed things just by being there, so yeah, she was specifically talking about bad endings for that reality if they lacked the time stone, and referred to it as benefitting only Banners' reality.

She's in hell, user. She must pay for her sins. Read the bible, incel.

Yeap

>if your tech is so good, then how come you couldn't travel past your own moon until after I brought my ship here?

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>"Have you seen our space budget?"

Your headcanon is deadcanon, user.

>Soul stone and Vomir
Why they even bother to return to its original place anyway?
It has no impact to main timeline or the EG Thanos's timeline anymore. Just toss it in Trashbin somewhere, as long as 6 stones are still in same reality it'll be fine.

Nope

>This
How the fuck did tony never figure out the formula for light speed? I guess he's smart and also a retard to space standards.

>Branch Timeline 3

Shit's gonna be fucked up in that one. Brainwashed Cap, and Loki escaping with the Tesseract. Cap can return the Mind Stone to that world, but I doubt he's going to fix the events in that timeline

>Timeline 1

Got it good. No Thanos, No Infinity War, no snap. At most, Steve and Tony will remain pissed off at each other.

>Timeline 2 & 4

Seem okay. Fairly minor changes.

>Timeline 5

Perhaps the third most interesting. Makes me wonder if this reality could be like the House of M version of Cap

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This just seems like the same kind of situation as the first Kelvin Timeline Trek movie to me, though the movie seems to filp flop on what time travel does or does not do though. Other than that my only issues are why do stones work outside their native universe, isn't there a rule against that? And the old cap we see at the end had a fully intact shield, so did he just do better and the cap we've been following this whole time doesn't have a shield to give to whatever alternate Falcon he's going to meet once he's old?
Maybe they should have included a scene of the shield getting repaired, Wakanda could probably do it, could have Thor take it to that drawf to get Uru added to it like how that was done in the comics after Fear Itself.

"Good point. Friday, add space travel as a new feature for Mk. 60. Should be done in about... Three days."

That reminds me. Thanos destroyed the stones so, for the main timeline, the one we know, Thanos has fucked things up by destroying the stones.

This is how you know someone doesn't read comics. Originally Marvel time travel worked with alternate timelines.

So what's the point of bringing back stones at all then?
Wouldn't it just create another alternative timelime? Looks like it won't fix that Ancient One's timeline, so why do all this talk about bringing back stones at all, if it won't change a thing?

Thanks OP. This is really good information.

>The mouse is 1 in 14m
Ok this is hack writing.

For one, without that stone Dormamu is gonna gobble that reality.
Second, the Ancient One is probably aware of other cosmic importances the stones might have.

Might get used to justify things like Kang.

Once they've established a branch timeline, it's a tangible thing they can return to. Trying to go into the branch timeline's past would create another branch though, so they can only drop in where they left it. Basically, everything goes on a linear timescale. You're just not allowed to backtrack in any universe.

So the stones matter not for things they change, but for potential future stuff.
Makes sense, yeah.
I wish movie found a way to present all this stuff better though.

If you mess with time, time messes up. A past Thanos comes back to fight the Avengers because they played around with alternate realities. Returning the stones means that, at the very least, the flow of time will return to normal for each reality they return the stone to. Also as points out, the stones was one of the safeguards agaisnt Dormammu. Though now that the main timeline has no stones, things are fucked.

Not necessary, it just means that Strange now has to come up with more creative ways to fight off the horrors from other universes.

>Steve kissed his own granddaughter and potentially almost caused an incest fiasco considering the fact that frozen Captain America exists in that new timeline Steve created.

Trying to open a portal to snip his gauntleted arm off might not be possible with the stones so close. Too much interference from the energies they give off or some other easily explainable handwavium.

Probably going to go with Shuma-Gorath or something. I doubt they'll use Dormammu again, since they've kind of already taken the wind out of his sails.

>Natasha BTFO
LOL

Kisses his non-blood related niece.

Officially debunked. Mainline Sharon wasn't Cap's granddaughter, because Cap only lived with Peggy in an alternate timeline.

grand-niece user, try to keep your shitpost straight

There's still a popsicle Cap the last timeline where Cap gets his happy ending. How he'd react to learning that our Cap lived the life he wanted to live is anyone's guess.

It doesn't erase the new timeline, it erases the vulnerability crated by the absence of Infinity Stones in the new timeline, so they don't inevitably fall to eldritch horror. The main timeline is now missing ALL of its Infinity Stones, however.

Personally I'm hoping Dr Strange meets The Living Tribunal

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>All this talk about timeline ramifications

Where is Barry and a dry erase board when you need him.

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Thor > CM > Fat Thor

At least that's how I took it.

Yes. Scar Jo was there from the start yet she had no character arc in the last film and they didn't even bother to give her proper on-screen send-off

>Cap 2 finds out Cap 1 jumped from an alternate reality and fucked his girl
>Realizes he can jump to an alternate reality and fuck Cap 3's girl
>There's a multiversal chain of Cap's jumping between realities and fucking other iterations of Peggy

>Thor suffered more loss than anyone else, he has been living in constant pain and regret.
Valkyrie went through the same shit and level of depression, yet I don't see her caring 300 lbs.

That's the opposite of what the hulk said. You can't change the present by changing the past so every time you time travel you're really in an alternate reality.

More like

IW Thor with two hammers > IW Thor > Thor > CM > Fat Thor

markus/mcfeely said they were THIS close to putting the living tribunal witnessing the titan battle infinity war it would've been too much for the audience to introduce that so late and out of nowhere. would've been absolute kino for the nerds tho

why did he appear on the bench though? shouldnt he have appeared where they thought he would, on that platform?

You'll be lucky if any of the cosmics show up. Although if anyone is capable of meeting them, it's Strange.

so what about loki

Even so, wouldn't that be considered incest if frozen cap and that blonde bitch grand-niece (I forgot her name) fucked and made a possible deformed baby? Honestly, I'm a retard when it comes to genetics and shit, so if I'm wrong please explain me and educate my retarded ass.

Valkyrie lost her comrades, but Thor lost his family, his hammer, half of his people and, when he didn't go for the head, his pride, upon realizing that Thanos won

What's preventing them on focusing on his wounds specifically?

when they jump through the platforms/van, they can be anywhere. so all cap has to do is set his location to the lakeside/bench. he could've also came to the compound a few minutes earlier before banner started to setup outside, he would still have all his security clearances and shit and be able to sneak around

Where did they appear when using the gps + particles when going to 1970? How did they do that without the platform?
Hmmm.

They already introduced his staff, they might as well just feature the Living Tribunal himself. Plus, if anyone is going to be pissed about the Stones being destroyed and the time flow being disrupted, its going to be the LT

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>muh stones magically fix the timeline autist BTFO

Valkyrie lost all her comrades all at once some hundred years ago, then she fucked off to places unknown and only showed up recently as an alcoholic. We know shit about what happened to her between then and now. Maybe she did get fat.

No, instead she spent years enslaving people for drinking money

I love how everyone is glad about that singular retard being proven wrong.

cap would also return mjolnir during branch timeline 2 right?

This. Plus does the Soul stone even do anything of use on it's own, other than troll people that are attempting to obtain it? I don't think anything bad would happen if someone else were to get their hands on it.

>Fat Valkyrie
A-user...

Someone replace this with Scott or Strange and "Pym Particles" on the board.

I know that feel. In my head, I was hoping for Thanos to fight the Celestials and other cosmic beings, but I suppose what we got wasn't too bad either.

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They just need to make him as charming as he is in the comics and get rid of the voice filter that nobody could fucking understand

where did valk get a pegasus

Well obviously. How else is the Thor of Branch Timeline 2 going to fight Malekith without the hammer? He hasn't reached Ragnarok levels yet.

Thor had it worst, considering how he lost his father, home, most of asgardians, his brother and not killing Thanos in the correct time was what drove him into extreme depression complex.

A wizard did it

would cap have stuck around to help past thor fight the dark elves or nah? i mean frigg should probably be trying to do something after that talk with future thor unless she really wants to do the "i'm destined to die whatever" thing

I still don't get why
a) why didn't Cap appear on the platform? They showed how the whole thing works with Hawkeye before and didn't he appear at the same place he left?
>Thanos ship
He appeared on the platform as well, but was pushed back because of its size. It makes more sense than Cap's bench teleporting.

b) How can Cap travel to alternative realities? Do they explain how can he visit different timelines at all? If he goes back to 2012, shouldn't it be the defailt one and THEN changes he does make it into an alternative timeline? They can't travel back to their own past to change it, but can go back to a different past. If he meets Ancient One in 2012, shouldn't it be the different AO from the one Hulk met? Why are alternative timelines so easier to change than the main one?

>The main timeline is now missing ALL of its Infinity Stones, however.
I doubt that Thanos erased them completely, he probably just atomized them. Their presence in the main timeline still exists, but it will take special equipment/magic to reform them from their current state.

I thought the formula for light speed without using jump points relied on using one of the infinity stones as a fuel source. Now that the stones are all gone that universe can't have light speed.

Which means our Steve cucked Sousa (and erased his lineage) as well as some other Steve from another reality, based. I guess regular reality's Peggy ended up with Sousa.

They could go the route of having him return Kaecilius to the world as his vessel, which would give Mads Mikkelsen a much better chance to flex his acting chops than as Kaecilius.

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In my mind, timeline 2 doesn't really change that much. I think Frigga knew she had to die, just like she did in the prime timeline, and she would rather accept her fate as destiny instead of trying to fight it.

Then again, Cap may end up helping Thor create a timeline where his mother doesn't die. Though I wonder how much that really changes things

you can reconfigure the wrist gps thing on the go, judging by how they travel back to 1970, i assume location has to do with that too, unless they just got on a train to new jersey from new york

>We don't see her during the battle after after Thanos punches her with the power stone
oh no no no OH NO NO NO NO NO

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>but I doubt he's going to fix the events in that timeline

"Hey alternate me. To get the stone to use for that thing I just explained I had to make some Hydra agents believe I was part of Hydra. So now they think you're tipped off to them. Here's the names of all the people in SHIELD that were Hydra agents in my timeline, but it could be different. Good luck."

Remember how they jumped to 1970 without the platform, to a different state?

From their neighbor planet Olympus.

>Black Widow is gone forever.
Oh

>why didn't Cap appear on the platform? They showed how the whole thing works with Hawkeye before and didn't he appear at the same place he left?
>Traveling through the quantum realm is predicated on being very, very tiny
>Nothing actually says you have to return to fullsize while returning
>Tiny ass Cap ran over to the bench and went fullsize there just to be dramatic
Copped an attitude in his alternate timeline life.

Ehh she's one of the survivors, so it's easy to see why.

I get it. My question is how exactly their time machine allows them to visit different worlds, if it's only supposed to make them travel across time.
Did they ever adress it?

But don't forget, he tapped alternate me with the sceptre. Depending on how long he took, he now has a brainwashed alternate cap that is highly susceptible to influence

Man I wrote a three part post a day ago explaining this shit and how there were six different timelines aside from the main one, in which one of them lives without Thanos while the other has the changes introduced in their version of 2012, and nobody fucking paid attention to it, they preferred to listen to the retard who kept saying everything was happening in the same timeline. Jesus fuck I'm mad.

>He had to make another jump back to the main universe at the end to give the shield to Sam.
Then why didn't he come out of the portal?

I mean, they can explain that away with a handwave.

>Galactus/Whatever God like being they might introduce: "The stones can never be truly destroyed, to do so would cause great damage to the universe. Only their physical forms have been lost and they have been reforming at their origin points."

Sure, would probably make IW/EG pretty pointless in hindsight but I don't think they'd care that much as long as the movies keep on making money. If they do go this route though "The Snap" might become the MCU's "COD4's Nuke". Sure it was a big twist/event for the time but the higher ups decreed that every thing after it needed a "Nuke" of its own, in a manner of speaking anyway.

Not saying I want this shit to happen, just that it's possible.

I don't think that's how the scepter works.

That's one way of using it yes, but surely not the only one. Something like the Asgard's Bifrost exists. Technology advances, they will figure something out.

>branch 1: thanos is gone, but also gamora meaning gotg 1 is going to be very different
>branch 2: maybe they do better against the dark elves since frigg has new knowledge from future thor, maybe cap helps asgard out against them, maybe odin sticks around because loki's not free, maybe hela isnt that much of an issue
>branch 3: who the fuck even knows with loki on the loose
>branch 4: howard's a better father to tony, maybe cap slips some info about hydra to peggy and saves bucky
>branch 5: there's two caps, who the fuck knows what happens
good fanfic material i guess

Caps lock user BTFO

this sounds good, headcanon accepted

On the bright side that Steve probably became that universe's Tony's godfather.

For the 6th time in this thread:
How did they go to Jersey when jumping from 2012 to 1970? How did they jump with no platform?

basically time travel creates alternate realities and doesn't change your reality outside of bringing things from the other realities you visited. they can return to each of those alternate realities too

Yeah that's pretty fucked up.

I remember reading somewhere that every Dormammu we see is actually the same Dormammu just dimension/timeline hopping. With all these different timelines he'd presumably be interacting with now how many times does he have to deal with a Strange coming to bargain? Since his realm is apparently outside of time, and I imagine all of those alternate timelines, could it be possible for multiple Stranges to show up at once?

It just triggers my autism that such a great poster featuring team time heist has also got a character that ends up having less screentime than the gay guy from Cap's therapy session

>why didn't Cap appear on the platform?
Only reasonable explanation is that whatever waves Cap was causing in his retirement reality allowed for him to work with Pym, and Howard and/or Tony Stark and create a more advanced version that lets him jump back to his original reality without the platform. They honestly should've just had Steve return on the platform since he could "take as long as he needs," but they had to go the dramatic route.

The platform acts as a recall point, it makes sure they don't just create another new reality based off of the reality they're currently in but instead return to their original one.

I wasn't counting hammers into the equation.

also he would have yoinked that cap's shield to pass on to sam, maybe the other cap wanted to pass it on to someone else. actually it becomes silly because did future cap not try and find past cap? he must've been unfrozen at some point since he has the shield. so what if past cap got unfrozen at the same time he normally does in the 2000s, future cap (now a senior citizen) yoinks his shield and jumps back to his original reality, passing the shield on to sam. so now the other cap is without a shield.

>All this timetravel bullshitery and alternate timelines
This is why Kang is going to come to fuck you all bitches up.

Markus and Mcfeely have so many fucking good ideas that never come to fruition. Seriously, I hope they stay as writers even after the Russos are gone.

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>earthquake in middle of ocean
n-namor?

Its the quantum realm. Its like going to the warp zone in mario, you travel SPACE and TIME to get to your destination.

Black Widow movie confirmed to be a funeral service and wake

He found a timeline where he died, maybe?

>Q: Why did you make Thor fat? Did Chris also become fat for the roll or it was done throug CG?

>This is easy to anwer

Now Feige has Captain Marvel who will steal all the torches she can, as we saw in Endgame

living tribunal would have been a good post credits scene but i guess they didn't want to do post credits this time around

Pretty lazy of him to just sit there when half of his subjects got dusted for 5 whole years.

Wasn't the main theme of ragnarok "letting the past die"? It would've made more sense for Thor to have moved on, and focus on making the best with the hand he's been dealt(taking care of the remaining asguardians) based off the character dev from that movie.

so now that pym particle time travel is a thing, there's nothing stopping them from just doing it all the time right? since hank can just make more particles?

>We can't answer it for now, this is a story that happened in an alternate reality. Maybe it will be revealed in the future.
Translation: We're keeping it open because the time-travel shenanigans means that we have a window for Cap to make a cameo in a future Marvel film.

What for? You can't alter your own present.

Timeline 1 is going to have a ronery Quill fighting Ronan with Drax and Rocket. Wait, was Ronan with Thanos in the Endgame ending Also, Timeline 1 would still have Civil War, and without a Thanos, Steve and Tony will remain pissed at each other for ages.

Sure. Anything to make him come off as THIS charismatic
youtube.com/watch?v=kpbhUpejoyk

More like
>When his death was able to save the studio a shit ton of money from not having to pay Robert Downy Jr., then his death was powerful and meaningful. We shouldn't feel too sad or anger about it

>implying that Hank will just give them to anyone

>Implying the Russos care
They undid a lot of what happened in Ragnarok. Hell even a lot of what was said in Cap's own movies but whatever I guess.

Also I wouldn't be surprised if they did the alternate timelines thing to milk their new What-If show.

well they can yoink the stones again if they need to, or maybe someone wants to just live in another timeline

Most likely they're going to address it in the What-If show in Disney+

I saw some of Ronan's Sakaaran troops, but didn't spot him or any necrocraft. Don't think the Other showed up either even though he wasn't dead yet. Kind of a shame.

>a timeline where his mother doesn't die. Though I wonder how much that really changes things

I believe Frigga dying is what started Loki on his heel-face turn. If she doesn't die then even if they ask him for help moment he gets a shot he could just up and vanish. So anything he did, good or bad, during and after the events of Dark World don't happen.

ronan's separate from thanos, he doesn't work directly under him

Man I'm interesting in that timeline, also how is Peter going to handle Ego?

its pretty funny how thor has had two radical character shifts, going from thor 1-2 to ragnarok thor and now to fat thor

>making the best with the hand he's been deal

But that's what he did. He moved on. He became irresponsible, but he basically tried to live with the shit he was put through. Him meeting his mother is what put him back. I do hope Thor loses the gut next time we meet him

RDJ's reaching 60, and he is getting expensive. but Chris Evans is young.Evans is more likely to reprise his role, even if he's bored of the superhero gimmick. I think its why they went with aged cap route - its both a sendoff for Steve, but also gives the chance to bring him back anytime they want to.

would he even meet him? i'm thinking about how gamora not being around would affect things, peter wouldn't even go to jail and so the guardians wouldn't even be a thing

>Originally
It has never worked any differently. Marvel's future universes always happen in alternate universes for a reason, they depend on time fluctuations from the main timelines and since it's always in flux, future is never set in stone the way these future events present it. So it's not like Marvel in 2099 will look at all like the 2099 books, for example.

>the guardians wouldn't even be a thing
Fuck.

Ronan's going to destroy Xandar, isn't he?

Perhaps they don't meet each other at all? The reason Ego know to find Quill to begin will is the Power Stone incident. Without that, Ego will continue on spreading his seeds, maybe forever.

If you don't mind creating new realities, or about potentially dicking them over, it means you can solve most issues/deaths by pulling anything you want from them. 2014 Gamora won't love you? Travel back to 2019 before they confront Thanos and steal her. Can't solve a math problem? Travel back to early 2023 and have Tony tell your computer to invert shapes for you. Need to nuke something? Grab the Power Stone and chuck it onto a poor unsuspecting planet.

Yoinking stones has a possibility of permanently fucking over a branch timeline.

he wouldnt have the power stone though because he had it because nebula got it for him
>peter was trying to sell power stone
>gets turned away by that one dude he tries to sell it to
>gamora ambushes him, they get sent to jail
so peter would have just found someone else to try and sell it to, unless ronan or yondu somehow find him.

yeah but they can just do the same thing as they did this time, return it at the exact right moment they took it

>107289384
So in conclusion

Timeline 1: Fucked (no Thanos & Gamora, Ronan fucks up Xandar, Ego fucks up various worlds, Civil War remains in effect)

Timeline 3: Fucked (Loki escapes with Tesseract, Cap is now under Hydra unless Prime Steve does something about it)

So did Tony snap 2014 Gamora?

*2018 before they confront Thanos

I don't think they ever explained how the sceptre worked. Cap could have just told Alt Cap to "Sleep for a while and forget that Bucky line" and he'll just wake up fine believing he just had a fight with Loki. Those Hydra agents in the elevator probably also believing the "Hail Hydra" Cap was just Loki fucking with them and Cap isn't on to them or anything. That only leaves the question of where that alternate Loki went to. He could have gone back to Thanos, Asgard, or maybe just across the street to get some shwarma to think things over and that's where the Avengers find him again and capture him for that scene in the first Avengers movie where Thor and him travel back to Asgard, with him being tied up slightly off screen during that film's after credits. It's up to headcanon really unless they ever get back to address it.

doubtful

he probably thought "dust thanos and all his followers" and since gamora stopped listening to thanos at that point she was spared

She's gone though

>why do stones work outside their native universe, isn't there a rule against that?
Only in the comics. This has to be ignored here because you can't really have a workable movie without them.
>And the old cap we see at the end had a fully intact shield
From the alternate universe where he comes from, the shield didn't suffer the same damage from Endgame, since there's no further incidents beyond what we see in Civil War. I'm assuming he stayed in the 70's timeline, meaning everything happened the way we saw in the movies except Howard Stark was a better father to Tony.

>That timeline's Tony has Steve instead of Jarvis
>Vision ends up very different because of that

Except they're not likely to take the risk.

ronan couldnt have fucked up xandar without the power stone though, and he wouldnt have had because he only got the power stone in the first place because drax was a dumbass and called him over to the collector planet. peter wouldn't have met drax if he didn't go to jail, which he wouldn't in this timeline because gamora doesn't attack him. and ego might never have found peter since that happened because the guardians were a thing which they probably wouldn't be

They have to convince the Ancient One or Strange to give up the time stone with nothing more than "We'll give it back, trust us".

>Cap is now under Hydra
I really don't think that's how the scepter works.

>Hydra assumed Cap's working with them now, but Cap didn't even know Hydra still exists
That is going to lead up to some funny misunderstandings isn't it

Resource and intelligence gathering. Everything's the same until you jump to it. So any info you find will be what you need.

Did Hulk rez present day Gamorra?

She probably fucked off somewhere since she has no real connection to anybody there except Nebula.

no, present day gamora is in the same boat as black widow, they're perma dead because of the soul stone sacrifice.

>Did Hulk rez present day Gamorra?
no, Soul Stone sacrifice can't be undone

>She probably fucked off somewhere since she has no real connection to anybody there except Nebula.
Why was Quill looking for her, then?

Because banking on a 1/14,000,605 chance is only sane when the other 14,000,604 chances are guaranteed to fail.

>Yes, the MOUSE SAVED UNIVERSE. Among the many realities in those 14millions possible futures Doctor Strange foresee, the mouse failed to press button and thus the heroes failed in those futures.

Doesn't this bother anyone? Giving Thanos the time stone doesn't guarantee this to happen. Why did Doctor Strange super commit to this reality when he didn't know for sure if the mouse would press the button to save Scott or not.

because he doesnt have his gamora anymore and so he wants the past one, aka the plot for gotg 3

That's assuming that he could even get the power stone after Steve puts it back. Did Nebula give Past Quill his lockpick back? Actually how would Steve put the power stone back since getting it out really fucked up Nebula's arm?

>Steve prevents Bucky from murdering the Starks
>Tony never falls pray to Stane
>Tony is influenced by uncle Steve
>Tony doesn't become a weapon's dealer
>Leads a relatively good life.
Well at least until Thor and Loki or even Thanos decide to get involved. The whole Ultron thing might be prevented.

The perfect Male sexdoll,I see...
>now with America's ass

Me too, or at the very least some Celestials and Abstracts. Though there's a big chance Thor gets a story regarding the Celestials since there's some iconic stories involving them in his comics. It could happen after the Eternals movie.
It's simple, look at it this way:
Suppose you want to go to a specific place in time, do to hop into the machine and select the date and location. The machine sends you there, but the kicker here is that in your objective past (main timeline), you originally weren't there in that place. So a new timeline is automatically created (prime timeline) in which everything is the same, but there's a new variable (you) introduced. Any change you make here only affects this prime timeline, not your own, because nothing you make here happened in your objective past. Get it?

maybe he just tossed it to peter after waiting for him to wake up, which is hilarious to think about. he does know peter is supposed to have it because of the info briefing they all had before, nebula would have explained it

The mouse represents Disney.

He could simply throw the orb into the field. It seems to try to keep things suspend inside.

Because it's a version of Gamora that's alive even though it's not the woman he fell in love with.

Not to mention they'll have to sacrifice a person every time they try and get the soul stone.

HTP, here we go...

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this new version of gamora is going to fall in love with the tree this time

You forget that Ronan's people were right behind Quill (and confronted him in the Power Stone's holding room), Yondu and the other Ravagers were coming shortly after, and that Peter is knocked the fuck out.

And they're in alternate timeline versions of that place too, so they can't even chat with each other or anything.

Hulk even said "I pulled him back, but he overshot his return"

mind stone, space stone and power stone seem relatively easy to secure though, and the reality stone too if they just gank natalie portman every time

well i assume cap would help him out there with korath

>Peggy before dying tells Captain America that he needs to stop clinging onto the past, and move on with his life.
>Captain American then clings onto the past so much so he goes back in time and obliterates an entire family of both husband, children, grand children, great grandchildren etc, all because Captain America couldnt stop clinging to the past.
>Russo Brothers thought this was a good thing.

So Iron Man finally gets to have a family, settles down, and dies after Captain America fucked with him trying to protect the earth for years only to die and Capt gets a happy ending?

Considering that Thanos' ship also dropped onto the planet due to Present Nebula drawing their attention. Ronan's people and/or the Ravagers could have just seen his ship, go fuck this, and turn the fuck back around.

>Him meeting his mother is what put him back
So him still neglecting his duties to go on space adventures with people he's barely even met is "putting him back"?
>I do hopeThor loses the gut next time we meet him
I wouldn't get my hopes up, they're going to have to nerf him somehow in Vol.3, so the other guardians can do something.

The writers also did a Q&A

nytimes.com/2019/04/29/movies/avengers-endgame-questions-and-answers.html

>Real life physicists consulted on the movie’s time travel elements and they are in agreement that the Back to the Future is wrong.

>Smart Hulk was supposed to happen during the Battle of Wakanda in Infinity War, but it did not feel right to have Banner have an up when everybody else was down. They really struggled with how to present it in Endgame and wrote several drafts with “lab scenes” showing how Bruce did before ultimately deciding to just jump right into and use Ant-Man as an audience surrogate in “WTF is going on?”

>They left Hawkeye out of Infinity War because they felt “leaving his family to fight” was too much of a retread of his Civil War arc. The scene of his family being dusted was also planned for Infinity War to show the global effect of the snap, but the Russos decided it undermined the urgency of what was going on in Wakanda.

>They originally planned for Thor to be on a “mssion of vengeance” in Endgame, but felt that was just retreading old ground and decided to instead completely drive Thor up the wall by making him a fat drunk. They consider the post-snap state of all survivors a worst-case-scenario type of “What If…?” story.

>The Living Tribunal was going to appear during the Battle of Titan in Infinity War but everyone thought he was too out there without proper context.

>They were reluctant to revisit The Avengers because it seemed “too pander-y”. There were drafts where they would get both the Aether and the Tesseract from The Dark World-era Asgard. Stark would go there in a stealth suit that makes him invisible, but Heimdall would be able to see him and they would fight; Thor and Jane Foster would have a long conversation.

>There were drafts where they would go to The Winter Soldier-era Triskelion, and then someone would steal a car to go to the Sanctum Sanctorum.

OH FUCK! So there’s an AU where Cap came back after the war and probably waged a secret war against Hydra in SHIELD. I like to think Cap was just waiting for his old friends to show up in his timeline. Like he was all over recruiting Falcon as soon as he could find him, probably mentored Nick Fury when he showed up, and definitely was just waiting and hoping Tony would have his change of heart.

>There were drafts where they would go to Morag prior to Guardians of the Galaxy and the planet would be underwater and swept by thunderstorms, but that was too big a setpiece and didn’t serve much narrative purpose because 2014 Thanos couldn’t find out about them.

>Some versions had the 2012 Avengers butting heads with either Nick Fury or Maria Hill over Loki’s jurisdiction, in case Robert Redford couldn’t return.

>The final battle was originally much longer, with its own three-act structure.

>They considered having Pym and Janet join the fight in their own OG Ant-Man and Wasp suits, but that fell by the wayside.

>They envisioned a scene where the battle briefly gets paused for whatever reason, and an assorted of roughly 18 random characters from all corners of the MCU end up together in this trench awkwardly trying to figure out what their next battle move should be, but even they felt it sucked and wasn’t funny.

>Some drafts had Hawkeye die and Black Widow survive.

>They always planned to kill Stark, since he already got to enjoy the retired life he always wanted with Pepper and their daughter during the time skip, and it was thematically fitting to close that chapter of the MCU.

>They always planned to retire Cap rather than kill him, and let him have his dance with Peggy, but him actually going back in time to do it came a little later, and they were concerned it was too fanservice-y.

>The view Cap’s and Tony’s endgames as a reversal of who they started out as: Cap was selfless and self-sacrificial, and learned to put himself first a little. Tony was selfish and self-centered, and learned to be truly selfless.

>Valkyrie went through the same shit and level of depression, yet I don't see her caring 300 lbs
I find the mental image of a blubbery Tessa Thompson more appealing than I should

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>yfw the Black Widow movie starts right at her funeral and the rest of the movie is a big flashback a la Wonder Woman.

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>>They consider the post-snap state of all survivors a worst-case-scenario type of “What If…?” story.
So i'm guessing they actually meant everyone except for Steve?

That's not what they said though...
They said only one in millions realities in which Strange gives up time stone (in all of them) would lead to Avengers's victory because luckily the mouse also stepped on that button.
These two are independent events. Strange chose to save Stark by giving up the stone but he had zero control whenever the mouse would do its part or not.

>so you're probably wondering how I got here

>They considered having Pym and Janet join the fight in their own OG Ant-Man and Wasp suits, but that fell by the wayside.
There's one scene where Scott's in the van and then it immediately cuts to show Giant-Man outside fighting a Leviathan. The only explanations are "somebody fucked up" or that's Hank out there.

>but he had zero control whenever the mouse would do its part or not.
Wait. You actually believe that retarded mouse theory?

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Do you not know what a niece is? She's the daughter of Peggy's sister, not related to Peggy's husband at all

I don't think all 14,000,605 included Strange giving up the stone. It doesn't make any sense for him to consider giving up the stone a foregone conclusion and only look at futures past that one point.

What theory?

>The entire movie is just Nat chit-chatting about her lifestory with Gamora while inside the Soul Stone.

That's why I don't understand their answer. Makes zero sense.

It's getting run through Chinese and translated back to English, isn't it? So there might be something that's a bit off.

>”America’s ass better be in there or I’m coming back.”

>They always planned to kill Stark, since he already got to enjoy the retired life he always wanted with Pepper and their daughter during the time skip, and it was thematically fitting to close that chapter of the MCU.
That's pretty bullshit, Tony deserved a good ending.
>They always planned to retire Cap rather than kill him and let him have his dance with Peggy, but him actually going back in time to do it came a little later, and they were concerned it was too fanservice-y.
It was very fan servicey.
>The view Cap’s and Tony’s endgames as a reversal of who they started out as: Cap was selfless and self-sacrificial, and learned to put himself first a little. Tony was selfish and self-centered, and learned to be truly selfless.
Except you really had Tony sacrificing himself since Iron man 2. Not to mention Cap was learning to put himself first a little in Winter Soldier and Civil War and I assume that's why the tried to include Sharon but they half-assed that relationship.

>They were reluctant to revisit The Avengers because it seemed “too pander-y”. There were drafts where they would get both the Aether and the Tesseract from The Dark World-era Asgard. Stark would go there in a stealth suit that makes him invisible, but Heimdall would be able to see him and they would fight; Thor and Jane Foster would have a long conversation.
I'm really glad they didn't go with this version

So does this mean there’s an AU where frozen Cap wakes up and meets our Cap and gets mentored by him?

He was pretty depressed.

Why is Cap able to return the Infinity Stones without creating new, branching realities? If you can't alter your own reality, just visit a branching reality, how should you be able to alter the future of other realities?

It’s the same updated ant suit Scott wears, so yeah definitely a goof. Probably a scene that was originally supposed to be before him and wasp went to the van. Editing mistake. Shit happens when you have so many moving parts.

Read the thread.

>Q: In both IW and EG, the heroes tried their back to take the glove away from Thanos, so why didn't Doctor Strange just cut off Thanos' hand with his ability?
>A: Thanos' skin is almost impenetrable, we don't know whether Doctor Strange had the capability to do it. If he failed to cut it on time, Thanos would still able to do the snap. Doctor Strange realized this issue during his millions test runs.

I call bullshit on this one. You're telling me Tony can get a drop of blood out of Thanos but literally separating space can't penetrate Thanos's skin?

>The only one who was aware about how many years has passed was Doctor Strange
Based, I like him 14000 times more after IW and EG. His movie is pretty underrated imo too.

One of the things that bugged me was that it really didn't seem like Tony needed to Snap Thanos and his forces away, since it seemed like they were already losing. Like especially since Thanos just revealed that the Stones can still be used individually, so Stark could definitely have gotten out of Thanos's grappling radius without a problem. I mean I get that RDJ was done making MCU movies and I'm fine with that choice, but I just wish they could have sold it better.

>Stark would go there in a stealth suit that makes him invisible, but Heimdall would be able to see him and they would fight; Thor and Jane Foster would have a long conversation.
Stark vs Heimdall would be neat, but yeah Thor/Frigga conversation is much better

You just can't rewrite your own past. Cap pops into the branch timelines in a spot just after he and the other Avengers fucked with them, so he's not actually retreading any ground from his personal history.

>Cap goes to take back the Infinity Stones to their original realities.
>Goes back in time only to discover the realities where they took the stones are lost in the wind. He's just in an altogether new reality with the main timeline's past.
>Not knowing what to do, he says fuck it and stays. Only comes back when he's too old to care.
>Infinity Stones are buried in his backyard.

when they say altering reality, they're talking about stuff like time paradoxes, like killing your past self will kill yourself too, but that's now how it works, you can't alter reality like that. what you can do is kidnap your past self and bring them back to your reality. now your reality will have two of you, and the other reality will no longer have you in it.

nebula kills her past self, that doesn't affect her because that past self isn't actually her past self, its from an alternate reality. the only thing that's changed is that in the past self's reality, nebula is gone and can no longer do anything, which does affect the future of that reality. but that future isn't the original nebula's future.

Wouldn't frozen Cap be a bit jaded that our Cap took his life with Peggy? Wouldn't Peggy also be kind of upset since it's not her Steve?

yeah he could have just flown away and given it to captain marvel to fly off into space, and they take out thanos normally. a lot of mooks would die finishing thanos and his army off though, so he probably wanted to avoid that.

So in that alternate future, some guy suckerpunches Star-Lord, and soon after Thanos and his whole army just vanishes never to return?

Realize most of these answers are the Russos BSing just to placate the masses.

There's two options:
>Tony snaps and deletes Thanos' army
>Tony does not snap and they continue fighting off Thanos' army, some number of other heroes risk death every second and Thanos has more chances to try and get the stones back one way or another

If Tony hadn't snapped and, say, Spidey got killed by Ebony Maw in the fray, do you think Tony would've been cool with it?

Question: what can you actually do with the Soul Stone once you have it? What the fuck are its powers?

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Yeah. Which, thinking about it, is probably a pretty solid reality for everyone except the Guardians.

Correct.

This, it's just Mandarin all over again.

You could definitely revive people killed normally with the stones, that wouldn't have been an issue.

yep. we can only guess what happens from then on. cap returns the power stone, peter wakes up and gets it, and the events of gotg 1 happen, except gamora isn't around meaning peter never goes to jail and meets the other guardians. who knows what happens then

Yeah that is a fair point, that the longer the fight continued the higher the chances were that Thanos and his best goons would actually get lucky and kill someone, while this way Stark minimized the good guy casualties.

I felt like by the point of that fight pretty much no hero was at real risk of dying but that's just due to tropes and not in-universe logic.

Look at it and cry because your dead girlfriend traded her life for a glowy rock.

Prolonging fight would have left to more casualties.
I doubt every single Wizard and Asgardian who fought there managed to survive by that point.

Huh, surprised the Chinese didn't ask any stupid questions

>"Hey guys, no need to look for me anymore. I made it back, everything's cool."
>Meanwhile that reality's Cap stays frozen for forever

Thanos used it in IW to detect which of the Dr Strange duplicates was real.

Well yeah but also remember, any of them making a slightly different decision would've changed the timeline. Dr. Strange's sentence doesn't make much sense in the first place, it's just there to raise the stakes.

No telling what kind of stress that puts on whoever is trying to revive people. Say dozens, and dozens of randoms die. Wakandans, sorcerers, and some of the Ravagers maybe. Do we just revive Spidey or does Hulk fuck himself up reviving everyone?

That was the other thing that bugged me, since a: While I guess Black Widow might be top of the list of people currently alive that Clint Barton cares about, she's definitely fifth place overall. And she totally sacrificed herself, without Clint's content, so I really would have thought that the ritual would have had a different result.

So the movie is actually so clunky that it needs an official FAQ.

He has to retrieve the shield though to pass on to sam

(You)
This is what I get from their Q&A.
P1= Probability of success if saves Stark
P2= Probability of the mouse hitting button to save Ant-Man
P1&P2 are independent events. Strange has no control over P2. There're realities where he saves Tony Stark but mouse never pushes that button thus they lose anyway. They(film makers) just happen to show us the only reality that Avengers win. Strange wasn't a genius, it was a fluke.

This is unironically correct.

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they're best friends, its close enough for spooky red skull

then old Cap shouldn't have existed since he is in his own separate reality.

I don't think that's how it works, largely just because that's dumb.

>Thanos' skin is almost impenetrable
it sure wasn't at the start of EG...

he came back to his original reality

Lol, what an asshole.

that Doctor Strange answer seems more like a "oh shit, he's right. but imma play it cool."

They said in >He had to make another jump back to the main universe at the end to give the shield to Sam.

So when Hulk activates the platform to open a path for him, he still takes that path, he just lands in a wonky place.

Multiple timelines that don't effect each other. Ancient One's "split" was referring only to her own reality. This keeps everything simple. I'm glad they confirmed it beyond a shadow of a doubt so no one has to misinterpret or be confused anymore.

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Wonder what Earth-2012 is like, besides Loki on the loose with the Space Stone. Like Thanos is still alive in that timeline, and the Ancient One seems fairly big on destiny so I'm not sure how much she's inclined to change, even if someone is oafish enough to eventually destroy all the Infinity Stones.

I mean it would be great if Thanos gets merc'd by some bald lady with no prior warning, but that seems like a doubtful outcome.

Prime Thanos had done two major events with the stones at that point.

>we multiple timelines and universes now

This was a mistake, the clusterfuck has just begun

>Parker's reunion with Nat

They're best friends, and a deep friendship is a kind of love. As for Clint not really consenting, if you chop off your arm, regardless of whether you really wanted to, you still chopped off your arm. A sacrifice is a sacrifice.

I'm not trying to make sense out of it. But that what Russo implied.

>now
read some comics

What better way to honor the comics?

its the breeding ground for hundreds of fanfics, i cant wait

We've had them since Doctor Strange though. It just happens that within that infinite number of alternate realities, there are those that are similar to our own at different points in history.

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Man, now i want a movie of Captain America hopping through alternate dimensions and fixin' shit
>Prime Cap helping 2012 Cap to fight a still unrevealed Hydra
>Prime Cap in 2013 Asgard punching some Dark Elfs

so when cap returns the soul stone, what's he going to do about natasha's corpse?

Easier to get than Primer for what it's worth

I think it's either a misread from the translation, or just an awkwardly phrased line.

Cool. That means other things as well, like how Cap wouldn’t actually have to keep his head down and avoid revealing HYDRA in SHIELD, wouldn’t have to let Bucky stay under HYDRA control. Also explains where he could have gotten that other shield from.

>slurpee
>not Hostess Fruit Pies

I doubt he got anything back for returning the Soul Stone. Really should have just kept it. Not like anyone is going to go looking for it in that reality. Thanos is dead.

do you think the caps had a threesome with peggy haha

Russos indicated that he's not going to sit back and he's going to make changes in his new reality. It's possible he was able to open a dialogue with Wakanda at some point and was able to get more for a new shield.

Branch timeline 3 and 5 are probably the ones I’m most interested in.

yeah but i'm just wondering if he like took her body to bury, that'd be a nice way to have the memorial that people are complaining about not being a thing

not our problem

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I kinda assumed that whatever it was that grants the stone also takes the body.

Thor wanted to start a new Asgard in Earth but then Thanos happened and killed half of them and his brother, dont forget that.
Add his failure at stopping Thanos and we get Lebowski Thor

>Hey Peggy, ever seen the Eiffel Tower?

Maybe he does keep it

Imagine Cap with Mjolnir, the Soul Stone, and his shield

I'd prefer he give the Stone to Banner.

Who?

Now that I think about it, if he's already going "fuck the timeline" he probably would help search for the timeline's original Cap ahead of schedule, I mean he doesn't really have any reason to have the original coordinates memorized and it could be that only relatively modern technology is able to find and retrieve Cap, but he'd still give it a go.

>>Timeline 5
I think in this one, main timeline Captain grows old with Peggy until that universe 5's captain america is woken from the ice. Then he chooses to return to main timeline all old to avoid there being 2 captain americas.

Does that mean the Avengers doomed an alternate reality by giving the space stone to Loki? That's pretty funny.

>there were two captain of the United States

What does that mean? That there was an old Steve (ours) and a Steve that was frozen in the ice still while he dancing with Peggy? In that alternate reality?

Yeah, fuck them for having consequences in their story, right?

>fuck the timeline
Pretty much! There are no rules for what he can and cannot do, but there's also no telling what effect his actions and revelations will have. It's all new, and there is no proper way it's meant to be. Cap is sort of like Superman now; an immigrant from another world, one that gave him a glimpse of this world's future.

But pretty soon his knowledge of future events won't count for much as the present diverges further and further from the history he became familiar with in his original reality.

Was Iron Man using the stones a reference to comic Iron Man using the infinity gauntlet?

>they were concerned it was too fanservice-y.
it was

I get the soul stone block, but what is stopping the avengers from taking a black widow from the past and into the future

Yes. I doubt Cap wouldn't try to save that version of himself too though. I'd love to see the awkward moment when he realizes he lost his dream girl to an older, wiser version of himself.

I can fix all this bullshit marvel if you let me use Kang.

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Because most alt-timeline Black Widows would have people they care about in their timeline, and their current "time machine" technology isn't nearly specific enough to pinpoint a timeline that's "Black Widow is alive but everyone else is dead"

People are dumb at understanding even cape films so yeah

>Loki escaping actually changes chain of events which led to Odin's death and Asgard destruction.
>Odin is alive, so Thanos won't make a move
>Potentially he never assemles all the stones

based Cap and Tony saving other realities from snap

No, it's only when you take the stone away from a timeline that it becomes a problem. The fact Loki got it doesn't doom the timeline because it's still that timeline's Loki with it.

SPoiler had to die because of thematic reasons, i'm kinda annoyed they had to come up with a logic reason.

alternate universes confirmed is fun

or fuck that. USE the stones. Not all of them at the same time. Just the way Thanos used them in IW. Space them into the sun. Reality them into rabbits. Or just plain Power the fuck out of them. Imagine a Power Stone PROTON CANNON.

No, most of the FAQ is actually fixing holes by outside fiat/word of god declarations. Not simply re-clarifying facts in the movie.

You can't change the past. That past it your future, changing it means you change your future Not your past past.

They return Infinity Stones to their original realities to minimize the effect. It's only 5 second gap between events (borrow and return). This action might have some minor impact but probably not much.
Hulk & The ancient one literally said it outloud

>branching realities
Only if you change major events. Like never return stones or Loki escapes with Tessaract one. Steve staying with Peggy is another AU too.

Magical booster

I think he means doom in another way. It’s possible Loki took the Tesseract to Thanos, meaning in that reality, Thanos gets the space stone years earlier.

I don't think it's unfair to say that movie handled exposition poorly. Time Travel is always a difficult concept and Endgame has shitone of other things going on besides it.
The whole thing is rather simple (thank god, they went with DBZ logic and not fucking time paradoxes), but presented in a clumpsy way which leads to plot contrivances and some people having trouble understanding it.

So how did Loki even know he could use the Tesseract to teleport? Like circa Avengers there wasn't really any indication that it was the Space Stone, was there?

Wasn't there a weapon called the Staff of the Living Tribunal in the Dr. Strange movie?

Well, she still had shit to do, being a filthy slaver and all.

I kinda hope Scott does, given he's the everyman guy and can theoretically grow big enough for abstracts to notice.

I'm pretty sure Loki 100% intended to double-cross Thanos from the start, so I can't really see him giving them to Thanos. Trying to take all the stones for himself to become King of the Universe though, that seems more his speed.

Maybe when Falcon said the shield felt like someone elses and Steve said it wasn't, he meant it literally. It might have been made specifically for him

Thread is fucking huge so I'm not sure if it's been addressed. If Cap went to the past and lived in an alternate reality with Peggy, how did he return as Old Cap without coming out of the time machine? Each time they come back to the main universe they come out of the time machine despite being able to jump around alternate universes. Old Cap is just kinda chilling there and didn't come out of the time machine.

Yes

The suit plus Pym particles

Push it with a rock? Really minor shit

Some suggested that at some point he asked AU Pym to help him get back on his own, but yeah the whole thing is unclear.

There are only alternate timelines if even one of the six Stones falls out of its time. Here's The Ancient One's exact quote and Banner's rebuttal:
The Ancient One: "The Infinity Stones create what you experience is the flow of time. Remove one of the stones and that flow splits. Now, this may benefit your reality, but my new one, not so much. In this new branched reality, without out chief weapon against the forces of darkness, our world would be overrun. Millions will suffer. Tell me, Doctor. Can your science prevent all that?"
Banner: "No, but we can erase it. Because once we're done with the stones, we can return each one to its own timeline at the moment it was taken. So, chronologically, in that reality, it never left."

In Russo defense. Strange tried to cut Thanos with magical blade in IW and Thanos stopped it bare hand. You can tell he's a tough sob.
Sling ring could cut Thanos, given time and effort but a clean quick cut that doesn't wake him up? Probably not

>Steve stays in AU
>Turns up at the end in the prime without anyone noticing

Right.

Thanos may have clued him in about what he was taking.

Odin was going to die of old age regardless.

Boomer Hulk just being a thing and not really explained at all felt too sudden. And it being pretty much 100% Ruffalo makes me wonder what happened to the other psyche.

They had those during the movie though and yet they still came out of the time machine. Thanos and Maw apparently made tons of Pym Particles and are super geniuses but came out of the same place as well. I guess you could argue that's where they wanted to be anyway but they were incredibly consistent with them always coming out of the time machine once they got back to their own universe. Then suddenly Old Cap was just there which made everyone think he was alive the whole time in that timeline.

The Hulk has always been part of Banner he said he stopped treating it as the other guy and just worked with him. He effectively reintegrated and got over his anger issues.

Things that have to happen for universe to be saved:
>give away time stone
>mouse hits button
>Stark sacrifices
>also everything else that happens in Endgame
EVERYTHING had to happen exactly that way. Otherwise, it doesn't work out. It's not just those two events.

That old cap is actually from another alternate timeline.

Poor Pym, first Cross, now Thanos and Maw...

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>The Infinity Stones create what you experience is the flow of time

So how does time continue in the prime MCU timeline if Thanos destroyed them?

What? He's absolutely the Cap from the main timeline who then went to an alternate timeline. His origin universe is the main one.

That's not what she means, she's saying that the Infinity Stones are necessary for the universe to keep functioning and without any of them reality unwravels, that has nothing to do with events undoing themselves, it's just foreshadowing that Thanos fucked over the universe when he broke all the stones.

Yeah, but him saying he looked through 14,000,605 timelines doesn't sound like he only started looking through timelines that took place after he gave up the stone. I'm sure he looked at more immediate ones where they tried all sorts of other methods to disarm Thanos on Titan or prevent the Snap altogether.

>It’s possible Loki took the Tesseract to Thanos
After losing the scepter, failed to conquer Earth at the cost of probably a portion of Thanos' army, I doubt it.
He probably just fuck off somewhere to run from him

MORDO IS NEVER COMING BACK
HE IS GONE
GONE WITH THE SQUATS

Thanos said they were "reduced to atoms". Not destroyed, just broken into infinitesimal pieces. Law of Conservation of Mass and all that.

Did anyone ask why they shafted Vision? Like Infinity War set up him being in Wakandaian computers. My personal fandom aside it seems strange that was a dropped plot thread.

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What about the Sokovia Accords? Are they just not a thing anymore?

Maybe he was smart and diffused them into the cosmos safely, or maybe everything is fucked and this is what the metaplot of the next Phase of films

We'll find out how fucked things are, because that was definitely foreshadowing.

i just assume they can change the location of where they pop out of; cap and tony time travel back to the 1970 right? i don't think its a big deal that he didn't come out of the platform specifically.

black widow seems to have taken over all the organizational stuff, but yeah, its probably irrelevant what with half of them all vanishing

I got the impression that they didn't actually finish copying his brain data in time before the lab got trashed and I guess the survivng Avengers thought it would be too ghoulish to attempt. Also Shuri got dusted and she was the one who was really spearheading the whole process, and I doubt Stark and Banner were welcome to hang around Wakanda when all was said and done.

Or they just didn't show enough.
Like I knew exactly Capt was going to stay in 1970 but had no idea how did old Capt return. He shouldn't exist in main reality after that fiasco.

Without this QA confirming stuff, we could only guess. And that "MUH STONES ALTER REALITIES" user would be posting his retarded headcanon still.

Considering there's a Wanda/Vision show announced, it seems they've still got something in store for him.

I mean from who we see half of them are in space, Wakanda is it's own country, and War Machine works for the US military already

As much as I dislike Blackyrie and her slavemongering ways, even I have to admit as the prince of Asgard Thor has a lot more riding on him and a lot more pride to goeth before a fall than “merely” being one of Odin’s elite guard

Ah, no he definitely looked at all. I'm with you on that one.

Why do you have it out for this one guy so badly?
Did he fuck you in the bum bum and not call you the next day?

>prime timeline Cap returns all the things then heads back to the past to be with an alternate Peggy in a new branch he created by doing so

>alternate Cap who has gone through all the same events as prime Cap, tho presumably got through his universe's endgame better due to having an intact shield, pops up in prime timeline's past to be with prime Peggy
>either they never got legally married, he took her name, he lived under an alias, or she just never took his name in order to prevent anyone from knowing there's another Cap in the timeline
>stays out of history's way to make sure this timeline's history unfolds more or less the way he knows it will
>this is how he was able to be at that bench to meet prime Sam after prime Cap leaves
>gives alternate shield to prime Sam
>knows that prime Peggy meeting prime Cap won't be an issue because she'll be senile by then
>also won't have to be there for her death because he already was the first time around back when he was young
>he knows how shit is gonna go

seems a lot of confusion is coming from cap popping out on the bench and not from the time machine platform, it makes people think cap went back in time and has been peggy's secret husband all this time, when the movie explicitly says this isn't possible.

>now
clusterfuck started with MUH PYM PARTICLE

Which parts of the movie Thunderbolt Ross was in?
I didn't notice him at the funeral.

For some reason I think that technically they are still written law, but are just not enforced because people have more important things to spend their time and energy on than taking unenforced laws off the books.

i'm pretty sure he was at the funeral, near the end of the pan of the crowd, after iron man 3 kid

This. You know they just did it for the cool shot. Probably never gave a moment's consideration to how fucking confusing it might be.

Peggy would be totally in it

He was in the back at the funeral a little bit away from everyone else

>Iron Man 3 kid
I didn't have any idea who the kid by himself was supposed to be

It took me a bit, but I caught on before the shot was over.

Couldn't the soul stone have brought Stark back?

>we multiple timelines and universes now
And I for one could not be happier. Think what kinds of stories are possible now. That one missing its Thanos, Gamora, and Nebula might be pretty interesting, assuming putting the stone back in its spot still allowed that Thanos to travel to the future for the final battle, and out of that timeline. Ronan might still get that stone, unless Yondu does. If Ronan gets it, he’s got a good shot at destroying Xandar. That could be a good universe to explore him and Captain Marvel duking it out.

He was

I need it too. Evans is too pretty to be retire.

>Yes, the MOUSE SAVED UNIVERSE.

Hail, Admiral Whiskers!

I forgot about the scepter. I guess you’re right, Thanos would be pissed with Loki even if he went back with the Tesseract.

still find it weird that thanos just gave loki a stone

Is it just a nod to Disney saving Marvel?

Melded in to make Banner not so much of a whiner pussy. He genuinely seemed more self-assured and outgoing than he ever was as regular human Banner, even if he spoke just like regular human Banner.

scarlet witch should use the particles to time travel and yoink vision from another reality

What happened to 2014 Quill? He got socked in the face while dancing to Redbone then Thanos shows up while I assume he was still knocked out, but wouldn't the black guy who doesn't know who Star Lord is still show up?

Watsonian answer is that it was a gamble that failed. He gave Loki one stone to help him on his mission that, if successful, would net him another stone. And he was led to believe that Earth was weak enough that it would be successful.

Doylist answer is that they hadn’t ironed out their Infinity Stones plan, and they were just doing a plot about Thanos having a ploy to gain the Cosmic Cube.

Cap would return the power stone to that timeline, so presumably he would wake, confused after randomly getting knocked out, but still retrieve the stone. I'm not sure what would go on with Korath, since I think he was sent there with info given by Thanos, so he might not have that info since Thanos just went himself.

Quill gets captured by Korath for questioning, and Korath finds the power stone back where Cap left it.

Is this supposed to be a joke? I feel like this is a joke and it's just going over my head.

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I don't remember who "Who?" was working for by the time of GotG. But seeing Thanos' large ship there could have just made them turn back.

>Cap goes back to that timeline
>Quill is just rousing
>But he can't know about Cap's involvement
>So as soon as he wakes up gets punched out again

I don’t know exactly when Ronan found out about the Orb being on Morag, but I feel like it would have had to be earlier, and Korath seemed loyal to Ronan first and foremost.

i think korath would have probably bailed out as soon as he saw thanos's ship anyway

wait, thanos skin impenetrable, then they for got the part where they managed to beat a drop of blood out of him.

That’s a good point. In that case, Quill may have had time to get the stone (still in the orb? Free floating) and get out of there.

They said almost impenetrable.

That's really what I am bothered by, the two conclusions that people seem come to immediately break the actual rules they managed to follow throughout most of the movie. Time travel is fucky enough, they stuck to their rules and then they deviate from them at the last second. So either you need off screen explanation or just ignore the consistency of the film up to that point just to get a cool shot.

Then you have the questions, why the fuck did no one notice the old man chilling there right next to their fucking time machine? They suddenly notice him right when they need to though. It was a neat idea,very cool, but man it just is very weird how it all would line up.

that makes no sense since thanos destroys his in the present.

yeah but if that was the case using magic portal to cut off his arm should have worked.

they should have tossed in an explicit line about how they can move through space in the quantum realm as well as time, which they can totally do since when they time travel back they're in a different place than the avengers HQ, its safe to say the same is possible for returning back to the present as well, we just never actually see it happen.

This. Same reason they didn’t have Cap go through the details of where he got his shield, how his alternate life is different from the main timeline. They were more focused on aesthetics and mood than logistics at that point.

Yeah, and that means that on a cosmic level even though they unsnapped reality, the universe is fucked and they're gonna need a lot of movies to solve it.

>but man it just is very weird how it all would line up.
I think of this as a stair case.
cap is frozen and goes to the future, cap goes back makes an alternate reality. this is a cycle that keeps going and probably has been going since before and after the prime time travel. so in a sense it's a stair case of time line splitting forward over and over again.

That's the weirdest part, they can clearly do it jumping between timelines, but whenever they come back to the Main Timeline they always come back through the time machine. Why did they even need the time machine if they can just jump from timeline to timeline with the suits? It must serve some sort of purpose. Naturally it seemed to serve as the anchor point back, what they lock onto to return. Like you said a throwaway line could have fixed it but I guess they didn't think of it. The small plotholes or inconsistencies are the ones that bother me the most because it would be so easy to fix them.

but that's speculation. Even then the stones being destroyed would have been unraveling the galaxy already. If I recall the stones themselves are just singularities created from the universes creation. They arent needed to keep the universe together.

i think the machine is just what facilitates the return, the suits only work because back in 2023, the machine is running for a few seconds.

i don't think they had to return to that platform, it was just the rendezvous point, the default location. i don't think its a plothole for cap to reappear in a different place because we see them traveling back and appearing in a different place so the reverse being possible isnt that weird. but yeah, so many people are confused by it, they needed an extra line to handwave it away.

Plothole wasn't the right way to put it but yeah I would say a failure of communicating the rules or exactly what happened. Maybe extra scenes will have something that will reference it.

honestly with how many people are confused they should have tightened it up a bit better, they had to have known time travel plots cause this kind of confusion. hard to believe none of the crew thought about it being confusing as to where cap was

I think the suits are there to make sure that incase something bad happens it acts as a fail safe to return people to the present.

probably when making this work they were already going through the script and seeing what would work only seeing it after the story was executed that they see the plot holes. I really doubt they had Time Travel so well thought out that things would work out in practice.

Hes mentioned by name in Strange's movie, so we know he exist in the MCU.

It's plot convenience, not hole. They never explained what the platform is for. Probably a beacon? So no one get lost if they want to travel back to main timeline.
You probably could still travel back without one but timing would be less precisive

where's sif

But doesn't he miss being human?

It's fucking capeshit, she'll be back in due time. Or do you truly think we won't see Logan in the MCU?

I think they’re going to recast Logan in the MCU, leaving “Logan” as the conclusion for that version of the character.

Probably not. Getting over stuff like that, considering being "a hulk" as being worse than being human or even just refusing to classify "a hulk" as human, is part of what he would have had to overcome to reach the Professor Hulk stage.

But is it a new persona aka actual Professor Hulk or Hulk ceasing to exist?

If it really is a merger then shouldn't Banner be excited to fight and smash in a normal way?

Why do they want to bring Black widow back?
With X-men's material Disney can shit literal who and forcing it down your throat now.

The mind of Banner and the body of the Hulk. Why would he be excited to fight? Its Banner in the driver seat of Hulk's body.

>that part with him being embarrassed by 2012 Hulk and half-heartedly smashing

So did old Steve return back to the alt. timeline after giving Sam the shield?

But they just said it wouldn’t. Because it’s almost impenetrable. Thanos just isn’t as much of a chump ad Cull Obsidian.

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I'll make it your problem when I call the Chinese restaurant and they kung pao your ass you mangy mutt.

It made perfect sense from the two explanations of time travel in the movie, I never had any trouble comprehending it because they laid it out and stuck to it. First Hulk says it's not a loop and you can't change your own past, only create new realities. Then they travel back and Ancient One says hey that's nice you're saving your own timeline, but unless you return the stone you're fucking over this new timeline (because Dormammu can't be defeated here anymore.) Like it was super spelled out and clear. I'm sorry you couldn't pay attention but the arguments over this have been literally painful having to read because idiots keep trying to apply Back to the Future logic to a movie that OUTRIGHT SAYS Back to the Future is bullshit.

It's almost as if different people goes through depression in different ways.

Like I said, this is all the Russos BSing just so people stop asking questions. They didn't really think this through that much and they don't care, they're done.

Presumably. Even if Peggy died in the alternate reality, he'd likely still have kids/grandkids he cares about.

He seems pretty against fighting based on:

if only we'd actually seen them kill baby thanos, no one would be confused anymore

Not to mention there's a Tony he saw from infancy in that reality, a Natasha that's still alive and pretty much every person he could ever need.

It's really not.

>Go for the head?
>THOR NO!
>GOING FOR THE HEAD!

Is it too late for Comics Banner to ever reach a Professor Hulk stage where it's Banner in the driver's seat for good?

What about the other Steve? I feel they're going to trot him out and old Steve for future appearances once Evans feels like returning

No, you idiot. The mouse AND that stuff happening is 1 in 14mil. The mouse alone is probably pretty common.

also they’re mostly just having a laugh

They eventually revealed that "Professor Hulk" was actually just a separate aspect/personality from Banner, Savage Hulk, Joe Fixit, etc. Everyone, even Banner/Hulk himself, just wrongly believed the Professor to be all of them mixed together. Yes really.

I kind of wish they had, because it would give us a chance to see A’lars and Sui-San, but then the movie would have Baby-killing in its early second act, and that’s maybe not the mood you want for your crowd-pleasing blockbuster sci-fi film.

there was one post before that said Strange also had to factor in how long the fight with Thanos took in order to perfectly time the moment when Scott was inside the quantum realm.

they kind of did with nebula killing nebula

Then the true merged/fixed personality of Banner has yet to be achieved yet?

Would it ever happen or is it just the nature of Hulk to continue with more sides to Banner born as different Hulks?

>Fuck you, Rocket.
>Friday, call up that up and coming scientist who deals with all the space shit.
>What was his name again?
> Need... Sneed... Feed... Oh yeah, Reed Richards.

>Namor was a teen/too young to be king
>current king got dusted
>Namor rises to power
>Atlantis goes through a massive civil war
>That earthquake was the sign that somebody finally won
Granted I know next to nothing about Namor, but still.

I think MCU Bruce is essentially "True" Professor Hulk, where it's legitimately a consolidation of Banner and Hulk rather than a separate persona pretending to be that.

Based House of Mouse saving the universe

I mean, there are fault lines there.

With the time 'dues ex' travel machine. This should be the last thing you care. They can asspull anything from now.

Old man Capt can ask AU Hank Pym to make another machine. Travel back to prime universe a day before. Sneaking & waiting behind the bench for his dramatic appearance.

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But Strange is wearing a gem the entire time

Now I wish the movie hadn't skipped over it happening.

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They were already doing it in 1979, you fucking casual

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Presumably the two children Peggy had with her unnamed husband in the prime timeline.

So wait, about the Steve thing... Were we watching this alternative reality the entire time? Or did we switch to it at some point when Bucky and Sam were waiting?

kek

from the way the scene was shot it seems like it stays in the main reality we've been with, there's no cut where it could've happened.

Everything we SEE happens in the same reality. Steve didn't age in this reality. He aged in a different one. Then he hopped back to the reality we see to give Sam the shield. I agree, this is really not obvious and there should've been an in-movie explanation. The scene REALLY makes it look like Steve has loved and aged in this reality we see.

That's still main timeline. We don't know how did Steve get back to main universe from alt universe but I'm sure they can asspull anything at this point.

Something that powerful needs to be guarded.

He sneers at Doctor Strange, the Sorceror Supreme, as some sort of party magician. I think it's safe to say he's well advanced.

I thought Tony did it because he was the face of the franchise and was too expensive for the future anyway.

Kinda amazing how Ironman was B list and now ranks high up there with Spiderman and Wolverine after the MCU

Better be in the HISHE

It’s now guarded by Nat

No. Attuma.