Where does the MCU go villain wise from here? Who is strong enough/important enough to be a final villain of a new saga...

Where does the MCU go villain wise from here? Who is strong enough/important enough to be a final villain of a new saga? Beyonder? Galactus?

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I don't really see how Beyonder can be built up to as a villain.

They don't necessarily HAVE to make the new villain more powerful than Thanos. They just need to be a sufficient threat in their own right, like Dr. Doom.

Namor allying with Doom

By making him a generic hipster villain, like the Avengers cartoon did a while ago.

God, I can't wait for the Secret Wars movie in about 15 years.

Yeah hell, that's what made Civil War so good: The most effective villain was just a man overpowered by grief.

Michael Korvac, or God Doom if they want to keep adapting Hickman's stuff.

They could make something up like he's always been here watching us and he decides to finally "test" everyone and we get

Avengers: Battleworld

What heroes and villains from the MCU would you want for Secret Wars?

you dont have to keep ramping up powerlevels every movie. just dont have a team with 15 avengers every time

i think beyonder is the same level, he's got cosmic level powers but he doesn't go evaporating planets or anything he just dicks around

I can. There's actually a few villains that you do.

Beyonder
>Start by not killing supervillains in every movie
>Have a few scenes here and there in a cosmic movie about some weird force that begins entering our universe
>Later have a scene in a movie, very brief, of a stranger (later the Beyonder) watching some superhero/villain fight
>"Avengers: Secret War"
>Beyonder is revealed to be an energy-based entity beyond all time and space, and has been curious about our universe, especially the concepts of "Good" and "Evil"
>Pulls all of the heroes and villains from their worlds and throw them on Battleworld
>The heroes and villains initially refuse to fight, so the Beyonder places a civilization of innocent creatures on the world, and states that if the villains manage to wipe them out, they will get control of the universe, so the battle begins
>Two of the villains, a full-fledged Zemo and a robotic Arnim Zola, scheme to steal Beyonder's powers, and eventually Zemo manages to take hold of them for the climax

Korvac
>Start him off in a cosmic movie as an experiment by an alien race, and he escapes in some end credits scene
>Pops up in an end credits scene every once in a while, more powerful and destructive each time
>Eventually Korvac goes full power, and "Avengers: Korvac" starts with a bunch of planets reshaped and entire civilizations either gone or a brand new culture
>Film is heavily focused on Korvac, who poses as a human on earth to avoid detection, but when seeing how many people suffer, decides it's best to wipe humanity out then start them over like a god
>In the final battle, he realizes that what he's doing is no less chaotic than what he despises, and kills himself

Namor is actually a really cool and complex character that I don't think the MCU could ever properly handle. The guy goes through a LOT of phases.

>In the final battle, he realizes that what he's doing is no less chaotic than what he despises, and kills himself
I would really like to see something like this. I was disappointed that they never even made an attempt to refute Thanos' philosophy in Endgame. As it is they basically left it at "you're right, but we're stronger than you so eat shit."

nigga mark my works it will be kang. They fucked up time and basically summoned him in endgame.

That sounds like Loki and they haven't done terribly with him

Shuma Gorath.

He's well known from Marvel Vs Capcom series but most people have no idea that he's a cosmic horror that's a threat to existence.

>Who is strong enough/important enough to be a final villain of a new saga? Beyonder? Galactus?
Squirrel Girl.

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They did awful with Loki after Avengers 1.

>Starts off as a tragic villain who wants his father's approval
>Becomes a full fledged villain and accepts his role in the story
>Becomes a reluctant ally, but he's not all bad just kidding yes he is
>Oh here he is again, is he evil still I dunno he might be
>Nevermind he's good now but he's not just kidding he is

I didn't watch Endgame so unless they actually figured out what they want to do with him my point stands.

If the MCU is really serious about using the X-Men, the Living Monolith would be a good idea. For a while he was considered one of Marvel's heavy hitter villains, and he has enough stories to use where you can bring together the Avengers and X-Men.

Kang is the biggest name Avengers enemy not yet used, but another arc revolving around time travel is not likely to happen. I'm saying Masters of Evil. They can be slowly introduced in the solo movies and come together in the Avengers ones. Too bad they wasted Loki.

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Not everything has to escalate. I mean, Thanos in the Endgame fight was technically much weaker than he was in Infinity War since he had none of the stones, except when he took power off the Iron Gauntlet and used it alone that one time. Thanos with most of the stones is still a bigger threat than Thanos with no stones but with his army.

I'd much prefer Thunderbolts for using villains than Masters of Evil.

It seems like using the Masters of Evil, and adapting the storyline where they take over the Avengers Mansion would be a perfect idea for a movie, but the MCU keeps either killing their villains or making them nothing like their comic counterparts.

Another movie would be Kang conquering the world, and the Avengers fighting back like in Busiek's run.

Kang

The Avengers bungling through time caused Kang's future to go away. So he travels to 2025 to conquer the Earth and then the Cosmos.

A Thunderbolts movie at this point would just be Not-Suicide Squad. The Thunderbolts are literally a group of pre-established major villains that are faking being heroes in order to access important government stuff. At this point you don't have enough villains properly established for that to work, and most of the villains alive won't have enough of a conscience to change sides.

I'd prefer the 90's Spider-Man version of the Beyonder.

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Not every saga needs to be about of cosmic proportions.

You have human villains like Zemo and Doom that can cause even more trouble than Thanos to the Avengers.

And there's always the hero x hero premise. I would put my bets on AvsX being the next big thing on MCU.

After Endgame, they should leave all the cosmic threats like Anihilus and Galactus to the cosmic heroes. We'll have enough of them to deal with it in the next years, with GotG, Captain Marvel, Eternals, and eventually Nova and Silver Surfer;

Namor was hinted at with the ocean quakes, but I'll bet he's just a one movie villain like Ultron was.

Doom, Magneto, and Galactus are all options now. Kang would also be a good choice, especially since they meddled in time travel/universe hopping already. Lots of options, really.

I'm pretty sure Namor will eventually show up as a villain in a Black Panther movie.

It's going to be The Grand Master, The Collector and the rest of that family.

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The Secret Wars arc on that show was kino

I thought Thanos' ideology was so lame-brained and easily refuted that it almost ruined the movies for me. I mean, in a few generations everything he did would be undone naturally. If he still had the use of the stones then it might make sense because he could be immortal and keep culling the populations as needed.

Right, but even within the context of Secret Wars, The Beyonder wasn't the actual "villain." He was the plot device by which the story was set in motion, yes, but the main villain was Doom.

Collector is dead.

He believed that doing so would create such a grand universal utopia that from then on, populations would self-police and do the population culling themselves to maintain the utopia.

It's profoundly stupid either way, but from his perspective, he would only actually need to do it once.

>a group of pre-established major villains
Except for Zemo, they are all C-list villains.

They don't even need to be "pre-established" characters. Just get Zemo to recruit a bunch of crooks to pose as heroes during the 5-year period where all the heroes were snapped. Then at the end they start liking being heroes and turn against Zemo

Wow no one else has ever said this before, thanks for your input.

Shit, a Thunderbolts set during that five-year gap would be pretty great.

Never saw the body.

and? the movies change stuff all the time

But WHY would you change it so The Beyonder is the main villain. The Beyonder is a convenient plot device but he's never not been a fucking terrible character. The most compelling and memorable scene with The Beyonder in his entire history is when Spider-man teaches him how to poop in Secret Wars II.

Go ahead and make a Secret Wars movie with The Beyonder in it, I'm all for it, but if you're not going to keep Doom as the main antagonist of that story then what's the point of doing it at all? Because he's "powerful"? That's stupid as all hell. This isn't a shonen anime. We don't need each big crossover villain to be stronger than the last.

Yes you did. He had his chest opened on the damn ground.

The Collector appears in Avengers: Infinity War,[32] as an illusion created by Thanos using the Reality Stone. His overall fate is unknown, however, according to del Toro, the character survived the film's events.

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You don't need to scrabble for brand new refutations to shitty ideas, this isn't /r9k/

We watched him die, sperglord. You're like the retards wanting Loki to come back.

No one asked you to refute anything. Apropos of nothing you jump in with a copy/paste of something we've all heard before that added nothing to the conversation.

Except we know that Natasha was taking care of business during the gap. There's no room for extra heroes, since they would have been involved in endgame. So, no.

Well, time fuckery usually bring us KANG. And Immortus and all the boring confusing crap that comes along with him.

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Stop trying to make Thunderbolts happen!

It's NEVER going to happen!

The next host of the Celestials will be the big villain.
They can't be stopped with violence, gems etc.
They only judge the earth by leaving or destroying it
Earth passes because the earth mothers present the best children of earth, a melting pot of all races
It makes the SJWs happy

He applied the same logic humans do to hunting wild game, to all species.

Lovecraft was racist so no

"Ocean earthquakes handle themselves"

Wakanda's gonna regret that when the tsunami hits.

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>We watched him die
we didn't

Namor was hinted in Endgame, during the hologram scene when they talked about underwater quakes, I think Black Panther 2 is going to be Atlanteans vs Wakandas

Doom, Namor, Kang, Annihilus, Galactus

He figured he was a hard man, making the hard decision that everyone else was too cowardly and soft to do. He said, a few times, that he expected the universe to ultimately be grateful. Because he's insane.
Mad Titan, you know?

is that meant to be namor? straight out of the pages of your favorite yaoi

good

Galactus, Namor, Doom, and Green Goblin could all be feasible options. Young Avengers being put in the box by Norman when he takes over shield. Spider-man leads them against him maybe? Fantastic Four are introduced as the team of researchers who first came across Galactus' path or some shit maybe and they introduce them both in the next phase.

>Go ahead and make a Secret Wars movie with The Beyonder in it, I'm all for it, but if you're not going to keep Doom as the main antagonist of that story then what's the point of doing it at all?

What's the poin of making a Infinity War movie if you're not keeping Aam Warlock as the Main Character and true nemesis of Thanos?

What's the point of doing an Ultron movie if you're not keeping Hank Pym as Ultron's father?

What's the point of doing a CIvil War movie if you don't have even half of the heroes who have important roles in the original story?

What's the point of literally the entire Ragnarok movie?

You see the point? They don't have to limit themselves to what's on the comic books. They will use the books as a base to create a whole new and original story

I hope no sagas anymore. At last for some years. Just self contained stories with croasovers

>Start by not killing supervillains in every movie
hahahahahahahaha

Maybe it is just attuma

High Evolutionary.

Kang is gonna fuck them up for fucking with the timeline.

I don't see how he can be done without introducing based Molecule Man first

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But with the sole exception of Civil War, the movies were worse than the comics.

With the Avengers muddling with time, I could see Kang being the obvious choice. Galactus, Doom, Annihilus, and Michael Korvac are also valid possibilities.

Give me Doom.

This shit was so good I couldn’t believe it I was genuinely rooting for Kang

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Doom can easily be Zemo.

Also, Beyonder can work as the “villain” who doesn’t understand about our concept of evil. He’s just doing things in order to explore and understand. All you need is a villain who hijacks his powers at some point.

The version of Zemo we got was so bad that he has to show up as a big glorious asshole like the comics for him to be effective. Whether he raids the Avengers Mansion or steals Beyonder’s powers.

>beyonder brings all the characters from the mcu
>pits them against heroes from other universes
>including x-men, f4, and alternate versions of steve and tony
>everyone fights, beyonder is defeated, doom steals his power, doom loses his power
>realities are merged and there you have the new characters added in as if they were always part of the world

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Too bad they already wasted Carina in GotG...

Hunting animals actually reduces the population when the animals aren't global because it allows other local species to take over the niche. So regional pests can be reduced but invasive species will continue. It's the same for overpopulation, forcing whole universe to attend competent sex ed course would be far more efficient long term and most people would be more ok with that than mass murder.

I would love a proper set of Namor movies, but the problem is some of it was already aped by the Aquaman movie.

>First movie takes place in World War II. Atlantis gets targeted and Nuked (Killing Namor’s mother and father), and he attacks New York City. He’s finally convinced that it was done by the Nazis, and agrees to help fight them. Turns out that the nuking was specifically done by Paul Destine, one a friend of Namor’s human father, who found the Serpent Crown on their voyage and joined Hitler in order to take control of Atlantis technology. Paul Destine teams up with Namor’s cousin Byrrah, who secretly led Destine to Atlantis. Movie ends with Namor killing Byrrah and Destine dying when the Serpent Crown explodes in an attempt to kill Namor. Namor is rendered unconscious, the mental powers of the crown strips him of his memories, and he is cast into the sea far from his people, who think he died.

>Second movie takes place now. Where Namor’s body is found frozen in once by Dr. Dorcas and his assistants, Todd and Diane Arliss. Dorcas, who has been searching for Namor, brings him back, only for Namor to not remember who he is. Dorcas tried to help Namor remember, and eventually Namor remembers how man attacked his kingdom and stripped his memories in the first place. He tries to leave the island, and Dorcas reveals his intentions for rendering Namor helpless through his tech. Namor was needed for Dorcas’ experimentation on humans, as he is revealed to have already located the Atlantean years ago, and wants a way to capture and experiment on all of them. Todd, a cripple who was once an Olympic swimmer, agrees to be tested on, which turns him into the psychotic Tiger Shark. Tiger Shark beats Namor half to death and attacks New Atlantis, to which Namor manages to defeat and incapacitate him. Dorcas is attacked by Tiger Shark and left barely alive.

Well, it's not like they can bring her back for a flashback.

>another 10 year build up

>Third movie is about Namor returning as King of New Atlantis, which was being governed for years by Dorma and Vashti. Namor’s people are thrilled to see him return, except General Krang. Krang was slowly turning Atlantis into a military state, and was bitter that Namor has decided that Atlantis needs to first build itself grander instead of focus on outside enemies. It’s revealed that Krang Actually works for Attuma, an ancient mutant Atlantean who has simply been observing Atlantis, and was once a nemesis of Namor’s grandfather. Attuma decided that the best way to “rule” Atlantis was by turning it into a weapon. Krang sabotages Tiger Shark’s prison, who immediately wreaks havoc on Atlantis and kills one of the beloved captain of the guards, Lord Seth, and Vashti. Tiger Shark proves too much for Namor alone, but is killed from behind by Attuma. Attuma vows to Atlantis that he comes to protect it from human monstrosities, and tells them that war is imminent. A majority of Atlanteans agree with Attuma, and Namor struggles to keep their world together. It’s also revealed that Attuma set up Vashti to die because Vashti remembers Attuma’s acts of war long ago. Attuma challenges Namor to combat and wins, but it’s later revealed it was with technology given to him by Dr. Dorcas. Once Attuma is found out as a fraud, he tries to take Atlantis by force, and Namor defeats him and Krang. Namor then promises to keep Atlantis safe, and has Dorma become the leader of Atlantis while he becomes Atlantis’ protector and hero against outside forces.

This. once they opened the door to time travel he was alerted.

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>You're like the retards wanting Loki to come back.
ahem, Loki did come back. [spoiler\He stole the tesseract, so it set up his tv show

The issue with Beyonder/Secret Wars is that none of the villains are alive to form a team.

You. I like you.

I'd throw in Jim Hammond as a secondary antagonist for the first movie and Betty Dean as a love interest.

>ctrl+f
>Annihilus
>"no results"

Come on guys. Korvac, Beyonder and Kang are great choices, but if you want a cosmic Marvel event greater than Thanos, there is always Annihilation. You can even get the Eternals for it

Reminder that this guy was almost completely right on Endgame leaks in DECEMBER and said Thunderbolts is happening:

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Yeah remember his asian phase?

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If they can introduce the FF4 and the X-Men...

Onslaught.

my sides

The Avengers opened the door, and now Time Travel exists...

Thus it is KANG THE CONQUEROR who becomes the next threat and prevents the use of Time Travel plot devices henceforth!

It will be bad Adam Warlock, The Magus

You let me have Kang and I can give you the Master of Evil with it.

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Yeah, I had Betty in mind for the first movie, since she’s the one that talks Namor down. Him finding out she died in a later movie could be a way for him to remember that not all men are bad.

spbp.

Doom is powerful enough to take on multiple heroes while also being smart enough to take on more than he can without lifting a finger.

>Thanos but skinny

Nah.

Why would Jim be an antagonist? If anything mention him for an Invaders movie on a later date.

What would be the best lineup for Secret Wars in the MCU?

I can think of a few...

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