>The Batman Who Laughs isn’t finished playing with DC’s superheroes yet.
>This alternate reality version of Batman was first introduced in the successful comic book miniseries Dark Nights: Metal as a Batman who has become transformed into an immoral villain through exposure to Joker toxin. Not only will this version of Bruce Wayne continue to terrorize the DC Universe with a previously unannounced extension to his current miniseries, but he’ll also be the threat at the center of an all-new Batman and Superman team-up comic book series launching in August.
>Scott Snyder and Jock’s The Batman Who Laughs series will now run seven issues instead of six, leading into the new Batman/Superman title created by Josh Williamson (The Flash, Justice League/Suicide Squad) and David Marquez (Marvel’s Civil War II, Avengers), with the latter making his DC debut on the title. (A preliminary cover for the final issue of The Batman Who Laughs can be seen at the end of this story.) For Marquez, who calls the new series “a great opportunity,” the first issue of Batman/Superman won’t just mark his first work for the company after almost a decade of Marvel material; it’ll also be the first release as part of his new exclusive contract with DC.
>“I've been very fortunate that in a relatively short career I'd been able to work on some big projects,” the artist told Heat Vision. “When I heard the possibility of working with DC, I wasn't sure I wanted to do more work-for-hire stuff after wrapping up with Marvel. They really kind of had to sell me on the idea of doing the series.”
>Initially, Marquez had planned to follow his Marvel work with a new project he’d create and own, he explained, but the scope of Batman/Superman — and the chance to collaborate for the first time with Williamson, whom he’d known for years — changed his mind.
>“That I'd be able to build it from the ground up, and also that it was actually a meaningful big project, were really important factors,” he explained. “In terms of the characters involved and the role it plays in broader DCU and its evolving narrative, working with Josh who's one of the biggest writers there — these reasons sold me on the idea of doing this book. If it wasn't all of those unique characteristics altogether for one project, I probably wouldn't be doing work-for-hire stuff right now.”
>According to Williamson, Batman/Superman had been in development for more than a year before Marquez joined the team, and has always been intended as a very different take on a series teaming the two iconic characters that takes its cue from recent events in the larger DC comic book universe.
>“We discover, through the Batman Who Laughs series that the Batman Who Laughs have been working on this massive plan since Metal. What it is is, he has sleeper agents throughout the [DC Universe]. They’ve been infected, and they’re slowly turning into the worst versions of themselves,” Williamson teased. “Some of them know they're changing, some don't. Some aren't aware it's kind of like a Jekyll and Hyde situation where they're not aware of [what] the other side is doing.
>“This is happening to six people — we’ve been calling them the new Secret Six — who have been turned. But who could be turned? Who are they? [Batman and Superman] have to go out and figure it out. But that means spying on other heroes, friends, allies. We talked about the end of The Thing, where it’s the two of them and they’re like, ‘It could be you, it could be me, but now we have to work together.’”
>The identity of the Secret Six — a name with some history in DC mythology, having first been used in 1968 for a comic book series of the same name — will be one of the core elements of the new series, and also an important part of DC’s superhero continuity as a whole across the next year of storytelling.
I hope we can see some Dark Multiverse Superman, bit of a cliche at this point, but always interesting
Caleb Cooper
>“It becomes this mystery across not just this book but really the line,” Williamson said, suggesting that fans reading other series might have the chance to work out identities before the heroes do. “It's a thing where it's not just going to be focused on this one book; it starts here, but you're going to get a situation where, if you are reading the line, you might start piecing some stuff together before like bigger reveals happen. You might be like, 'Oh this weird thing's happening over here, I wonder if that's connected to the story here,' and that's cause, yeah. It is.”
>Williamson and Marquez are well aware of, and drawing from, the long history of comic book stories teaming Batman and Superman. The two characters first teamed in 1952’s Superman No. 76, forming a good-humored brotherhood that lasted three decades in the pages of the World’s Finest Comics series; they would go on to co-star in Superman/Batman, a monthly series that lasted 87 issues starting in 2003, and the first incarnation Batman/Superman, which ran from 2013 through 2016.
>This new series will be something different, with a tone closer to horror than straight super heroics. It’s an unexpected move, perhaps, but one that stays true to the story being told and the characters’ experience. Both creators are clear on the fact that Batman/Superman is intended to have a big impact on the DC Universe as a whole.
>“It definitely changes the DCU in a lot of ways, it impacts the characters and the dynamic between some of them, moving forward in the next year,” Williamson said.
Great Art Wasted on Scott Snyder: DC Comics in the 2010s
Eli Young
>“This isn't throwaway, like ‘everything is perfect and back to normal,’ illusion of change stuff,” Marquez added. “With characters that you love, ‘I had a great day’ is not a story, you know? ‘I had a great day, until…’ is a much more interesting story. You want to see these characters tested, and this is maybe a mean way to do it, but it’s going to be a fun ride. It’s definitely fun to draw. There are dark stories that torture the reader and there are dark stories that are entertaining for the reader. This is the latter.”
>“We discover, through the Batman Who Laughs series that the Batman Who Laughs have been working on this massive plan since Metal. What it is is, he has sleeper agents throughout the [DC Universe]. They’ve been infected, and they’re slowly turning into the worst versions of themselves,” Williamson teased. “Some of them know they're changing, some don't. Some aren't aware it's kind of like a Jekyll and Hyde situation where they're not aware of [what] the other side is doing. > >>“This is happening to six people — we’ve been calling them the new Secret Six — who have been turned. But who could be turned? Who are they? [Batman and Superman] have to go out and figure it out. But that means spying on other heroes, friends, allies. We talked about the end of The Thing, where it’s the two of them and they’re like, ‘It could be you, it could be me, but now we have to work together.’” > >>The identity of the Secret Six — a name with some history in DC mythology, having first been used in 1968 for a comic book series of the same name — will be one of the core elements of the new series, and also an important part of DC’s superhero continuity as a whole across the next year of storytelling. So, low key Secret Invasion that takes "Secret Six" off the table for the next 5 years.
I really wish I could enjoy what DC is doing right now. At this point the only thing I find myself caring about is Shazam and Green Lantern.
You should be careful. If his husband sees you saying this he might beat your ass, or try to come off as a tough guy to make you think he would.
Robert Turner
Dark Multiverse, user. Batman who lmaos just killed his version, like all the other evil Batmen did.
Jaxson Collins
it really is fanfic tier
Adam Cox
>This new series will be something different, with a tone closer to horror than straight super heroics. It’s an unexpected move, perhaps, but one that stays true to the story being told and the characters’ experience. Both creators are clear on the fact that Batman/Superman is intended to have a big impact on the DC Universe as a whole.
This just screams, "we had a story to tell, without a book to publish it in, and no one was doing a World's Finest book, so we just put it in there."
Really not sure how to feel about that.
Wyatt Roberts
>intended to have a big impact on the DC Universe as a whole.
>Williamson >Snyder >Bendis >King >Johns
Way too many spheres of influence here, the center can't hold, only one can survive and various other cliches
Mason Cooper
Yeah, but since Barbatos was the power heavy of the Dark Multiverse, isn't it safe to assume every Clark was operating at a disadvantage next to his Bruce? Hell I also thought Batman who lmaos (I love that by the way, you got a proper laugh out of me) say that he went around to the entire Dark Multiverse assembling his Dark Justice League, and killed every planet that didn't have a Bat to join him? I'm honestly not sure. I was never big on Metal, and didn't give it all of my attention while reading it.
Julian Collins
>Johns user, there is a reason that DC has seemingly taken a breakneck turn from the trajectory connecting Rebirth #1 and Doomsday Clock, and that's because Johns is clearly out of the circle of DC "Architects." You're right on with the rest of those guys, but Considering that Shazam has remained unconnected from the rest of the universe thus far, and Three Jokers is already confirmed to be Black Label, which is as huge an indicator that it is seen by DC as canon now as Moore intended for The Killing Joke to be, if you don't like what DC is doing, I'm right there with you, Rebirth was Johns, not this.
Joshua Lewis
I agree with you generally, but while "he's out," he's not really. Not yet at least, as there's still several months of Doomsday Clock, the characters he has embargoed there (although Bendis/Wonder will have a Legion it looks like), Shazam, 3 Jokers. So while his influence has clearly waned, he's still one more cook in a crowded kitchen, only now with a big chip on his shoulder.
Zachary Myers
>as there's still several months of Doomsday Clock Bob Harras apparently fed up and ordered the production of two TPBs for that with teh hardcover coming (much) later
Leo Taylor
>Bendis >Lord Broken - Literally came from the broken house of ideas of Marvel. >King >Intellectron - Thinks his own writing is deep and smart but all of it are edgy dogshit a 13-year-old can think of. >Snyder >Demogorgunn - Make endless terrible villain OCs that doesn’t matter. >Williamson >Hellmachine - Doing whatever the fuck the upper management told him even if it’s shit. >Johns >Dame Merciless - His DClocks ruins DC with unneeded edgy, depressing shit that makes no sense even if Manhattan was behind it. >Didio >The manifestation of Empty Hand himself Morrison warned us all!
But user, even Doomsday Clock is all but confirmed non-canon at this point. How likely are Bendis and Snyder to respect any Doomsday Clock embargo Johns has on a character? If you look at all of the projects he is working on, the only one that seems to be getting the canon treatment and embargo respect is the only one focused on characters that no one but Tynion would have any need to write, and even Tynion's JLD is pretty much under the radar at this point. So waned influence? Yeah.
I am curious though, outside of Bendis, have those guys sone anything of the caliber that deservedly earned the long term reputation that Johns and Morrison have? Because right now, it seems like Didio is doing what he does, and hitching the DCU on the hot flash in the pan, instead of the tried and true talent.
>newsarama.com Fuck. Thanks for the source user, but I hate how they auto allow notifications just by visiting, but that is their fault, not yours.
Lucas Bailey
>but I hate how they auto allow notifications just by visiting Use uMatrix
Hudson Smith
>GEOFF JOHNS AND GARY FRANK’S DOOMSDAY CLOCK PART ONE IS COMING THIS OCTOBER
>Part One of Watchmen Sequel Available This October, Part Two to Follow Summer of 2020
>Today, DC announced plans to collect Geoff Johns and Gary Frank’s DOOMSDAY CLOCK into two parts beginning this October. Since the first cryptic tease in DC UNIVERSE REBIRTH #1 to its debut issue, Geoff Johns and Gary Frank’s DOOMSDAY CLOCK has received both critical and sales acclaim as this sequel to Alan Moore and Dave Gibbons’ WATCHMEN pits the heroes of the DC Universe against Watchmen characters Rorschach, The Comedian and the all-powerful Dr. Manhattan with the fate of the multiverse at stake.
>DOOMSDAY CLOCK PART ONE collects issues #1-#6 and is scheduled for an October release. The 224-page collection will feature a new cover by series artist Gary Frank, carry an SRP (suggested retail price) of $24.99 and feature all six issues in full, including the supplemental material at the end of each issue. Formed by Johns and Frank, this material provides fans with behind the scenes insight to the world that they’ve created. The collection will also contain all six incredible variant covers by Frank, along with colorist Brad Anderson.
>DOOMSDAY CLOCK PART TWO will collect the finale of the series, issues #7-#12, and is scheduled for release in May of 2020. This will also be available at the SRP of $24.99.
Mason Young
Who cares. Batman is a suicidal retard that treats Catwoman leaving is worse than Alfred or his Robins dying and punched Jim Gordon.
And Superman is an asshole that sold out his friends for clickbait and abandoned his son in space with his crazy father who thinks about killing Batman.
Both are no longer heroes. They are unlikable dumb psychos.
Daniel Bell
>the new Batman/Superman title created by Josh Williamson I hope it’s good.
>More Heroes Turning Evil For Inexplicable Reasons
WHOOP-DEE-FUCKING-DO
Liam Lewis
We have. Check out that Sideways Annual. And do we really need more fucking evil Supermen at this point? Injustice is there if you want that shit, go read it.
Lucas Green
You know Morrison likes both Johns and Snyder right? But don’t let me get in the way of your being a faggot
Alexander Gonzalez
At this point I think I'd take Apollo and Midnighter over them, but then I see imagery like and the visual of both of them there alongside one another brings an always surprising degree of relief. At the end of the day, these are two stupid runs that will be forgotten in time, that twerps will pull from to find support for an argument the next time someone makes a creative choice in an adaption of them that diverts from the characterization that the core pop culture understanding of the character is based on, that 95% of issues, arcs and runs adhere to. Whatever.
Alexander Martinez
>keep wondering why we always get evil Superman stories >"An evil Batman story might be nice to have once in a while." >get TBWL
>Batman and Superman versus The Meme Who Won't Die Huge pass.
Nolan Cooper
>the visual of both of them there alongside one another brings an always surprising degree of relief Yeah, I'd relieve myself on this infantile dogshit too.
Austin Lewis
Not him, but I think Morrison can play well with both of them. I don't think either of them can play well with one another. They are too different. I acknowledge that Johns can make some edgier calls, but on the hole, I think he overall trends more optimistic than Snyder does. Personally I think Snyder thinks similarly to how Johns does in terms of building out of core concepts within everything from a character's power source to inverting the concept of a damn multiverse. I just think Snyder is too transparently derivative when he does it. I think it could be the hottest shit in the world if the three of them did another 52-like book, that wouldn't even need to be a weekly, but could just be a throughline monthly that impacted impacted and directed the DCU. It's a shame it'd probably never happen as Johns is probably a bit salty about having Rebirth cut short and effectively replaced with the direction that Metal took the entire universe in. On top of that, there is no way a book like that would happen right now without Bendis getting his fingers in on it, and I'd rather the thing be stillborn before being published with any of his input. I still think as a concept, it could help refocus the universe, and considering Johns would probably lobby the Super angle, Snyder would lobby the Bat angle, and Morrison would have the balance to see both equitably, the only thing that might be missing would be that of Wonder Woman. But if you had Johns handle the loftier uplifting material, Morrison handle the quirkier, higher concept stuff, and Snyder handled the darkier, grittier and more supernatural stuff, we might get a pretty great book out of it, and considering it'd a monthly split between the three of them, I'd imagine it wouldn't add much to their work load. Hell, delegate the respective corners of the universe to the artists who depict them the best, and we might have THE All Star DC book.
Robert Hill
Snyder isn't writing this
Christopher Reed
>Marquez is now DC Exclusive Not sure how to feel about this.
Seriously, is it really so much to ask for superheroes doing heroic shit? Oh, I guess that's not MATURE™ enough.
Like, did everyone who works at DC completely forget that they write fiction about gaudily dressed vigilantes? It's like they actively avoid anything resembling superheroes patrolling around, fighting their rogues gallery, and saving the day. It's always this wannabe epic shit all the time nonstop. For fucks sake.
Colton Jenkins
DC has been crap lately so I don’t expect much good to come from this. Especially since Williamson‘s Flash run has been boring.
Isaiah Brown
Is "The Batman Who Laughs" their Judge Death?
Ryder Sullivan
A lot of the suspected traitors were from the Titans franchise too.
Austin Gonzalez
He's a pretty blatant visual ripoff but no, they're nothing alike otherwise.
Tyler Carter
>Batman/Superman Superman btfo
Landon Price
The Empty Hand is Morrison.
He's feeling sorry for himself and apologizing for ruining comics.
Jayden Powell
>Batman gets top billing again >more dick sucking for Scott’s Donut Steel Well damn, it’s like DC wants to make sure I’m only pulling two of their books...
Liam Miller
There's still comics like that but they don't get any press.
Adam Russell
He likes them personally as he's a polite chap- big whoop. He knows thier work sucks and has never cited it positively in Super Gods or the rest of his plentiful commentary on the medium. In fact he just recently said comics has been stuck for twenty years, during which time Johns and Snyder have done the most. But don’t let me get in the way of your being a faggot.
Ryan Diaz
Yangriffics
Luke Baker
Literally covered in the first fucking blurb. They added an extra issue.
Julian Wood
>We discover, through the Batman Who Laughs series that the Batman Who Laughs have been working on this massive plan since Metal. What it is is, he has sleeper agents throughout the [DC Universe] >They’ve been infected, and they’re slowly turning into the worst versions of themselves,” Fuck. Just a whole slew of character acting stupid because THEY'RE EVIL. No need for rational thinking or logic here folks, they got bit by the magic plot bug so Williamson can write them however he wants.
Luis Stewart
>In fact he just recently said comics has been stuck for twenty years, during which time Johns and Snyder have done the most. But so has he.
Luis Flores
>Morrison >a "polite chap" Ha ha
Nicholas Long
Why would you advertise that the one guy worked on Civil War 2? Marvel fans dont even like CW2
Wyatt Cook
Well, they're advertising his work as an artist, it's not like he wrote the thing.
Brayden Phillips
No there are not.
Brody Taylor
>No need for rational thinking or logic here folks, they got bit by the magic plot bug so Williamson can write them however he wants. Exactly. And apparently not just him since "there will be hints in other books." >Us: DC, this writing sucks ass. >DC: Does it? >Us: Yes! >DC: Are you suuuure? Maybe it's deeper than that. Aren't you a clever one for catching that...
That's like advertising Wonder Woman by her appearance in BvS.
Leo Johnson
>>intended to have a big impact on the DC Universe as a whole. >>Snyder yeah no
Carson Hernandez
Metal led to the Source Wall being broken open, with the Tree of Wonder being planted on Earth, which culminated in Earth becoming a complete shitshow. Those two things on their own have directly contributed to the primary stories of two Justice League books. So Snyder? Yeah.
Anthony Brown
Are there though? Cause I haven't even heard of any.
And no, be for any of you shills start with your bullshit, Wonder Twins does not count. Fuck the Wonder Twins.
Can this shit also stop, please? Why does every other story have to be some huge game changing affair? You can't shake up the status quo if things never settle down long enough to have one.
Julian Taylor
Wait I thought it was titled Superman Batman?!?! Screw this book for giving Batman top billing yet again!!!
Nolan Evans
>Marquez = good >Batman/Superman books = bad >Williamson = bad >Batman who Laughs = bad garbagefire
Christian Roberts
3 Jokers will never come out
Blake Nelson
Okay DC, we get it.
Jaxon Phillips
Just get .jpgs or .pngs of the art online when it releases. No need to spend money on this trash. >Sleeper agents Oh joy, more evil heroes. Hasn't HiC done enough damage as it is?
Regardless, I'm not buying this shit. DC lost my business.
Yeah I think the bleeding cool article specificly mentioned Donna Troy is one of them. And Kyle, Dick, Beast Boy, Miss Martian and I think Raven are all suspects. Knowing Didio he'll off them all.
Jack Davis
Batman/Superman books are bad Superman/Batman books on the other hand are great and why loeb is forgiven for ultimatum
Dylan Foster
This is why we never ask for things.
Brandon Carter
>Kyle He's a goner. Fucking Didio can't even comprehend subtlety.
Luke Campbell
why wouldnt superman, batman, wonderr woman, flash etc. tell everyone this is happening, round them all up, and screen them for joker toxin? why the subterfuge? they'd all agree and anyone who didnt could get checked first
Nathaniel Ramirez
Wait Donna? Didn't we just have Donna be evil like twice in the last few years? really doing that again?
Xavier Jackson
people who think superheros and superheros winning are dumb and misery is cool and deep writing are in charge of comics.
just a bunch of hacks w no imagination trying to get clout off a genre they dont respect bc they arent good writers and the editors are too stupid or political to tell
Juan Bailey
The terrifics for one, Hawkman for another. Hell Venditti is writing that and the freedom fighters which is just good clean America as the good guys. So don't give me this "Where are they?" Bullshit.
Robert Adams
Raven isn't a suspect. Dick/Ric, Jon, Super Girl, Alfred, Green Arrow and a few others are. Yes. But Donna is the only member of her generation who's relatively intact. Dick is Ric, Roy is dead, Wally is broken and Tempest is irrelevant.
The only ones who have been confirmed as being turned evil are Donna and Perry White for now.
I'm guessing that the other four will be Beast Boy, Dick, Alfred and Jon. The Trinity don't care about common sense, they set up a unregistered mental health clinic.
Jacob Williams
Honestly? Beast Boy would be great as a supervillain.
Logan Myers
Perry White? That's... random.
Jace Edwards
If Beast Boy goes villain it should be off his own free will, not because of the Batman Who Laughs spreading his mojo and infecting people.
Jace Thompson
Oh no, PERRY WHITE is evil now?!?! Will the world ever be safe?!?!?!?
Christian Sanchez
Let's see of the characters who are suspects not counting the 2 confirmed Id go with... Dick if he somehow gets his memory back for all his connections and leadership skills, Miss Martian for shapeshifting and telepathy plus a ton of other powers, Green Arrow for Dat Money (unless he's currently in one of his "lost all his money phases" I can't remember) plus he's well known and respected within the hero community, and Constantine for some magics and his shady connections.
Grayson White
HE HAS THE POWER TO... Publish shady headlines and bad news stories.
Camden Richardson
He runs a Gawker-esque Clickbait site.
>THE DARK MULTIVERSE IS INVADING AND MURDERING EVERYONE, AND THAT'S OKAY
Jack Cooper
>But who could be turned? Who are they? So this is why they destroyed Wally West?
Pretty sure Wally offed himself so he won't be one of those six. But seriously, MORE heroes turned into psychopaths? Fuck DC.
Liam Butler
Wally was supposed to be one of the six but DC changed their plans because of Heroes In Crisis.
I'm guessing they have other plans for Wally.
Ryder Sanchez
Fucker's dead so who cares?
James Price
>Alfred What, is that going to be why he betrayed/tried to keep Bruce from being Batman every 5 minutes in Snyder's run
Austin Flores
DARKNESS AND YOU! : HOW EMBRACING DARKNESS WILL CHANGE YOUR LIFE!
Chase Barnes
Snyder really hates Alfred, huh?
Mason Edwards
You guys did cry about the constant evil superman stories and why batman never got an evil version and surprise it turns out his evil expy is even more popular than normal batman
Liam Gutierrez
Not until the final comic >its obvious that he will be pulled out of the loop and thrown somewhere else by doctor blue dick
Colton Anderson
>people are still telling themselves HiC will acknowledge other stories like it was totally going to acknowledge that one Flash arc lol
Nolan Perez
ITS DA PLAN marvelcurk
DA PLAN!
Colton Jenkins
Kingshills are about as mentally ill as their idol.
>implying Year of the Villain is an FCBD book Sure larper.
Jose Lee
"lets make more heroes evil"
Bravo DC.
Caleb Thompson
>I am tired of him too.. If you want CHAOS we have THE JOKER.. We don´t need this "Jok-bat"..
Matthew Carter
forgot about this thread but main points
>Lex kills himself so Perputa can make a god version of himself or something >Levithan may be red hood; also Levithan maybe convinces Batgirl to join him >Because of all the threats, JL expands with shazam family,terrifics, teen titans, catwoman, etc
There is more stuff, but those are the main points
Aaron Hughes
forgot to mark this as FCBD spoilers
Lucas Green
>evil alternate universe version of *insert character* DC has been doing this since silver age but Marvel doesn't really seem to care for it. They've always swapped writers and artists, so what gives? Some kind of corporate culture or mandate?
Jordan Miller
You forgot to add 'AND THAT'S A GOOD THING'
Juan Sanchez
Didio is going full edgelord. This is really going to end well.
Exiles had plenty of them. The Revengers from the Cancerverse come to mind as well.
Kayden Smith
It's not edgy, it's a classic genre trope. The problem is The Batman who laughs is such normiebait. >bro do you know that the most dangerous Supervillain in DC is Batman who is also the Joker?
Kayden Peterson
And sadly they'll grab it hook, line, and sinker.
Eli Wilson
So... Batman is losing the time in Batman who laughs.. >The Joker infected him for nothing.. This bat who laughs will continue here more time.. Why?
Jonathan Rivera
>a kids idea of an edgy OC literally made of mashing Batman and the Joker into one character is the current most popular DC villain
LITERALLY clown world
Alexander Roberts
The irony is Morrison is one of the few not trying to be DC’s Next Big Thing. He’s just doing a self contained Green Lantern story, which honestly surprises me, you’d think for Year of the Villain DC would lean on him to continue the Multiversity metaplot
Austin Campbell
Just scan that shit already, fag
Jason Clark
>Morrison is one of the few not trying to be DC’s Next Big Thing Of course not, he's nearly 60 years old.
Dylan Reed
Snyder is a sellout.
Levi Mitchell
Hey, that didn't stop Jack or Stan
Jordan Gutierrez
Lucifer from the Vertigo run's alright too. And while The Dreaming was hot trash not long ago it turned out exactly one (1) amazing issue most recently, so while on guard I've got my eyes peeled for at least one dark horse
Kayden Morris
>"I, Lex Luthor, evil genius extraordinaire. Will now kill myself because I trust this evil cosmic goddess to restore me with my volition and self intact into greater power when I am helpless and she should logically be able to perceive my entire history of treachery and spite" >"This is a good plan"
Kayden Long
Sandman Universe > Andy Khouri's soon-to-be-shitcanned nu-nu-Vertigo
Jeremiah Murphy
Shit, they're separate continuities? I thought they were the same for some reason with that boring voodoo story being advertised in the same Sandman Universe intro as Lucifer and Daniel's runs. Anyway, that's not hardly an achievement and the SU is hardly flawless. I don't care if it makes me sound like a powerlevelfag, I'm still annoyed they took the character established as the second greatest power under the heavens and intro'd him being humiliated instead of waltzing in and out of his own cosmic power completely in control. Fuck it, I say seeming completely untouchable even when he shouldn't be fits Lucifer perfectly.
Charles Murphy
It’s not even the same. Batman is still allowed to be a hero against his bad self while evil Superman is always the same dude
Lucas Hughes
Even more details: >#1 will be released on August 14 >its variant will be drawn by Leinil Francis Yu >a slightly higher-res version of OP pic
