So how are they gonna fit the X-Men into the MCU when nobody is scared of the Hulk?

So how are they gonna fit the X-Men into the MCU when nobody is scared of the Hulk?

Why would Magneto wanna go to war when Humans don't seem to give a shit about Mutants, even giant green ones

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It took Hulk 5 years to not be feared and he is one guy who is friends with a billionaire and Captain America the one man you can't insult. Now imagine a school full of powerful mutants who are new and not hanging with the Avengers. It's different.

>Mutants, even giant green ones
This is a very, very casual post dude. Hulk is not a mutie and it's long established that in-universe normal supers like Hulk are beloved while actual muties are hated and feared thems the rules.

Simple. Make Hulk openly wary of them too.

time travel

Real answer: MCU was not designed with X-Men in mind

This

Bringing mutant hatred as it is into the MCU would only highlight how awkward it is in a world used to superhero shenanigans

The X-Men will need a lot of restructuring before Disney puts them into a movie.

The Hulk isn't a mutant. He was born normal but due to a freak accident he turned into a monster. And they were scared of him when he was a monster. Now he's harmless. What people will be scared of are those that are born freaks.

even in the comic books people love fantastic 4 and the avengers but hate mutie scum. it's the same here. why so casual?

>Have it so a small percentage of people brought back from the snap gain the X-Gene.
>Magneto's back story is changed from Holocaust survivor who hates humanity for what they did to his family to Sokovia survivor who hates humanity for causing the destruction of his country
>Mutants are mostly feared for being different but not hated entirely at this point since people's powers just started up a few months ago and there hasn't been much buzz on the news about it other than some rich dude's so. growing wings
>Have the movie be Xavier and the O5+maybe Storm or Rogue VS Brotherhood of Mutants
>Movie ends with some near-Sokovia-level accident occurring during the fight between them that causes humanity to hate the mutant race
>Magneto goes "Awww shit I'm becoming as bad as them" and fucks off to Genosha to set up some heel turn for X Men 2

Wow that was hard

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Reed and Tony hired PR firms to give them good publicity so people would love them

>The X-Men will need a lot of restructuring before Disney puts them into a movie.
At that point, why even bother? If you need to fundamentally change something to adapt it, then just don't.

That's not a bad idea.

mutants will need to be brought into the public view as violently and "homo superior rules" as possible
not magneto, but another group of muties killing civilians/politicians and declaring America or whatever the new homeland of their people before being stopped

Magnets make him age less

I mean, "Hulk is like that because he was caught in a crazy accident" is different from "the mutants are just BORN THAT WAY," the latter is a bit freakier to think about.

They shouldn't. They should avoid the X-Men. They'll instead move to focus on them to a degree where they fuck everything up in an attempt to exploit the brand, but they shouldn't.

>tfw Days of Future Past was not one of the time travel movies referenced

They "love" the teams right up until the second something goes wrong and then there's torches and pitchforks.

Yeah if there's one thing comics need more of it's strictly defined boundaries of what stories to tell.

Like I sincerely believe some of the people stuck on this shitty, casual-ass idea never even read the X-Men at it's height in the 80s, where you absolutely could NOT take the stories out of Marvel because they actually interacted with the rest of the Marvel U on the reg.

The soft quarantine that happened in the 90s was the worst fucking thing to happen to the x-men.

Yes, because the MCU has been years and years of horrible mis-steps.

>At that point, why even bother? If you need to fundamentally change something to adapt it, then just don't.
That's retarded. Boring ass fucker.

Not every movie was Infinity War or Winter Soldier you know. The MCU had a shitton of hiccups.

>Yeah if there's one thing comics need more of it's strictly defined boundaries of what stories to tell.
Boundaries promote creativity.

Xmen fans are literally never happy anyways so who cares

Easy. Have the Brotherhood form before the X-men.

Evil mutants show up first already organized.
They claim to be superior and show no regard for regular humans. They portray themselves and humanity's replacement and hidden amongst the masses. Meanwhile, Xavier recruits mutants of good character to portray a better image by defending the rest of humanity from the apathetic mutants.

Its like with gays, inherently different from birth, and mixed in with the preconception of all muslims being terrorist.

I'm not desperate to see the X-Men get shoehorned into the MCU so I guess I am boring.

>I'd rather Xmen just died so i can jerk off to old comics forever
poor user

He was held in cryo by a Hydra splinter and only released after the second snap

Because Hulk saved the world multiple times, and Mutants are all assholes.

>56
Oh, yeah more Brohood because we can't different villains in the X Men >.>

Again Fox did Magneto to death we need a Homecoming variety with the villain of the first movie.

Fits seeing as how he knows what it's like to not be able to control your powers and the X-men geing that x 100.

X-Men and Fantastic Four won't share the same universe as the rest of the MCU

They might merge the universes at some point, but not from the start

The snap is a decent way to introduce the x-gene into the world thanso jump started evolution with it

Personally I'd say drop the whole Mutant Persecution aspect for the most part(outside of whoever builds the Sentinels) and just do the X-Men as a conventional superhero team, at this point that would actually be kinda refreshing

Dont show him. No need to cast him yet and you can introduce other villains. We havent had a true brotherhood. Like Voldemort, have him be a presence.

But for mutants to be ostracized there needs to be a reasoning behind the intolerance towards them, a perceived image akin to terrorists would do it.
The xgene is activated by all the infinity stones mucking about earth. Use the celestial seeding early humanity during the first host (already kinda alluded to) with the intention of defending against their coming together. Thats how Wanda and Pietro get to be mutants from Hydra experimenting with the stone. It wasnt the stone that granted powers, it activated the xgene by being exposed to it.

Mutant persecution is retarded. Being gay or black isn't a superpower, it's a physical threat to themselves or others that's the deciding factor. Unless the mutant gene has consequences like correlation to sociopathy or something, there's no reason to go 'grr mutants hate you' with supers everywhere. The only way I can see it being effective is if there's already a cure out there, designed for mutants with powers they don't want. And we're not getting that parallel unless there is a gay cure, and we're not getting that because of the goddamn Jews or something.

A random kid sprouting powers for no reason and accidentally killing someone is all it takes

Anti-mutant groups can be shit like the PTA and slimy NY state politicians at first

>we have metal detectors to keep guns out, why can't we have mutant detectors to keep dangerous mutants out?
>mutants should have their own schools

Then you just have to show that most mutations are benign things like color changing eyes. Xavier's school would be a mixed student body (characters like a teenage Stevie Hunter and Sharon Friedlander) of mutants and non-mutants to better show the "peaceful co-existence" angle instead of a segregationist mutant only school. Sequels can have the local politician move up to federal politics and show how other countries are oppressing mutants. You can have Genosha using them as slave labor, Madripoor harvesting their super-organs for U-men and Sokovia requiring them to be tagged and carry ID.

I'm betting during the 5 years, mutants are just sprouting up.
Magneto and Xavier snatches up any mutants before they can make headlines.
Magneto builds his army in some sort of undetectable underground lair, and Xavier using his power to mask the crazy looks of physically mutated.

Why not? And why state it as fact rather than opinion?

Intolerance is retarded user. That's the entire point.

MCU earth still doesn't have interestellar tech. All ships used were alien.

Reed trying to kickstart spaceship stuff is the perfect excuse to get bombarded by cosmic rays.

So basically have a cast of younger mutants fight a villain in the first movie?

It’s revealed that someone used the Infinity Stones long before Thanos to wipe out the mutants; the Fox-Men reality is the original timeline and the MCU branched off from it due to there not being mutants. Eventually both universes cross over and mutants are hated not for being mutants, but for being “foreigners.”

You don't get why people hate the X-Men then. People hate and prosecute X-Men since they're the natural evolution of every homo sapien. They are the replacement until the homo sapiens find the ability to stop the X-gene. Superheros like the Hulk are the results of accidents and experiments. There is no way you become Iron Man just by being yourself while becoming a mutant is involuntary.

No, it's not.
You don't like blacks because they're aggressive, myopic, and smelly, as well as all the shit they've done collectively that makes you wary of them.
You don't like whites because they're haughty, elitist, and entitled, as well as all the shit they've done collectively that makes you wary of them.
You don't like jews because they're greedy, degenerate and act put upon all the time, as well as all the shit they've done collectively that makes you wary of them.
You don't like gays because they've got dumb voices, are hedonistic, and fragile, as well as all the shit they've done collectively that makes you wary of them.

Mutants? I mean, they've got superpowers, and some are bad guys. Some are good guys, but what's the emotional tabula rasa? What's the general experience with 'mutant'? What've they done that means 'let's beat em up'? You don't fagdrag a guy that can blow up a city, you run away in terror. Mutant persecution is dumb as balls, and real persecution has a basis in some emotional core of reason, albiet reactionary.

Easy:
Have the mutants first appearance to the public be utter chaos and disaster, forever tainting their image.
Hell, that could be the first MCU movie in itself

>Even though no one asked, let me flex how much of a bigot I am

They are better than normal people and will replace them.

>I miss the point of things

Yeah, you really do.
Intolerance is dumb, user. Thanks for backing up that statement.

>(you)

>What've they done that means 'let's beat em up'? You don't fagdrag a guy that can blow up a city, you run away in terror.
Bigots go after the weak ones they can attack because they fear and hate the strong ones they can't

That's why Wanda looks like a demon when she has evil emotions?

I'd rather they explore Wanda's own narrative instead throwing away her rogues gallery and Agatha Harkness just to appease greedy X-fags.

>Have it so a small percentage of people brought back from the snap gain the X-Gene.
This is actually a very good idea.

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Make mutants hated by introducing the mutant supremacists and generally evil dickbags first. Bonus hate for having adult Cyclops believe in self-policing from the start so they butt heads with the government with their unsanctioned and illegal spec ops team.

>58
Literally tons of options. Arcade, Sinister, Ahab. At least it would be something different from Fox.

bullshit it's different

If Hulk can earn the people's trust despite being unarguably more destructive when fighting evil, then the X-men ought to be able to when fighting to stop genocidal organizations literally trying to kill all humans.

See, the whole mutant prejudice thing that's so central to X-Men's raison d'etre kind of falls apart when compared to the rest of Marvel, wherein there are literally hundreds of more powerful/dangerous/destructive things out there that people seem to tolerate. No, see, it's the pretty boy with the laser eyes or that kid with the fish-face, and frog-man, that's the real shit right there!

Magneto and Jean and all that a definitely dangerous, but by and large mutants are small potatoes compared to the non-mutant threats out there.

Thanks would just be a retread of Civil War.

Part of the problem is that mutants would be appearing after a whole bunch of crazy stuff happened in the MCU as opposed to showing up alongside it like in 616. People should be used to superhero shenanigans at this point. Hell, some would probably WANT superpowers.

They should go with that concept. People who are being irresponsible with their new powers.

No it doesn't, but it would meld better with the established MCU canon. All this super-power stuff more or less became mainstream with Iron Man, right? If Erik was a holocaust survivor that would mean he and the rest of mutant-kind just sort of kept quiet until recently? It would really strain disbelief, especially considering how dramatic and destructive some mutations can be.

Magneto being a holocaust survivor is punchy, sure, but it's not completely necessary to his character. There are plenty of reasons to hate humans without resorting to borderline exploitative appropriation of real-life tragedies. Shit, just make him a postmodern Objectiveist with superpowers, that's a shake'n'bake villain mix right there.

Or, you can take the Shield/Hydra thing to its logical conclusion and have it that Hydra was waging secret war on mutant-kind for decades, going full Third Reich on their asses. Make Magneto and his Brotherhood survivors of their decades of persecution, giving them a sympathetically dim view of the human race.
Now that Shield/Hydra isn't covertly mopping up muties, it gives the impression that mutants are just popping up all over the place, when the reality of the situation is that they've been here the whole time.

Disney, call me! I'm ready to make all the money!

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>Magneto's back story is changed from Holocaust survivor who hates humanity for what they did to his family to Sokovia survivor who hates humanity for causing the destruction of his country
Another fucking Sokovian looking for vengeance...
Also at that point in time when he was human he was still part of that humanity

Magneto and the X-men got a victim complex.

they could Always use that escaped loki with the tesseract. to mess with hulk's mind turning him pure savage where people get killed. causing the public and army to turn on hulk again.

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They just shouldn't.
The x-men are fucking annoying and their "muh endangered species" shtick is already retarded, and it would seem downright silly compared to everything else in the MCU. The only reason Wanda and Pietro worked is because they were written as something that would make more sense and not "mutants".

Magneto's aging slowed down due to some kind of sorcery bullshit if I recall correctly.

he has been de-aged 3 times already either by magic or science
and then there was also that young mangeto clone joseph

>Jessie Eisenberg as Arcade

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why didn't they just throw wolverine at thanos?

X-men existed in the mcu for yrs

Theyre called inhumans and aos devoted two full seasons to worldbuilding

Even in its own universe the idea that triggered X fags are chimping out at magnetos backstory being updated is retarded

There's maybe about 3 worthwhile villains left that haven't been covered in the Foxverse movies

what if i told you a certain 13% of superheroes caused 50% of all cape-related disasters

N O T C A N O N

Triggered

Except it's not going to happen. Hulk's snap was pretty specific in that it would strictly undo the effects of Thanos' snap and do nothing else. Even Tony stated it should not be contrived like trying to reset the last five years or whatever.

I hated professor Hulk. So weak too.

True.

You always wish only to undo the wishes the bad guy did. Anything else is asking for trouble.

create a traumatizing event with mutants.

How can the X-Men's persecution schtick work when other people who aren't mutans have powers and they don't get persecuted?

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So, redo the intro scene for Civil War? How original

Alternate timeline, doesn't count.

That's why they brought Spidey, the REAL Endgame of the MCU is Secret Wars, with every single character of The Marvel Universe, since Avengers, X-Men, F4, Spider-verse and others.

The MCU doesn't know mutants exist yet, and when they find out it will happen in a very terrible way. The X-Gene will be scientifically discovered and announced to the world, and when some third-world shithole like Venezuela tries to round up and kill some mutants, Magneto and the Brotherhood will make their very first public appearance, staging a calamity and killing millions, maybe tens of millions as a giant warning sign that reads "Don't fuck with Mutants."

But when Shield is prepared with an initiative to start tracking down and eliminating mutants, they're approached by an old friend of Magneto's: Charles Xavier, a mutant himself and former member of the Brotherhood, who left decades ago when it became clear Magneto was on a path to extremism.

So the new status quo is that Xavier is in cahoots with SHIELD, using their newly-designed gizmo Cerebro to help them track down mutants who haven't awoken to their powers yet, but in return he receives the opportunity to get to them before the Brotherhood or SHIELD agents, and offer them a place at his academy to learn to control their abilities.

The mutant gene showed up as a survival mechanism in children due to how the snap threatened extinction.

>It even leaves an out for an X-Men vs Avengers movie because Carol's in charge now and she's too stupid to differentiate between the Brotherhood and the X-Men
user, it's genius.

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Just give Magneto enhanced longevity as a secondary power, like Wolverine, Mystqiue, and like 5,000 other mutants.

There, problem solved.

it's irrational that's the whole fucking point

Just read the fucking thread,

Remember how Morrison's X-Men run revealed that humans hated mutants due to an interstellar mind-controlling parasite?

This user gets it.

No, I don't think anyone does or wants to.

Shut up! If they try to make the mutants hated like they are in the comics the entire thing will be assused of SJWism, fuck drumph and fuck whit people shit, I honestly wouldn't care if they actually just fucking dropped the "Hate and fear us" stigma of the x-men and turn them into something else, that stupid stigma has no fucking weight anymore now compared to back then when the xers were the first massive super hero team, the avengers, defenders, all those others, only got together occasionally rather than all the time like the x0men

It's just like being assued of muslim pandering if they include Khan as Ms. Marvel down the line as well

or white privlage by having the fantastic four appear as beloved heroes too

I'll never understand why people don't believe the X-men wouldn't be disliked. Look at the world you live in and see all the examples of racism and bigotry. Even if you don't buy that picture sending you're kid to school and then getting a call that they mutated into a savage people eating bear person. Or going to work at the office and one of the frustrated workers gets the power to control minds and takes out his revenge against everyone in the company. Or imagine watching the news and seeing mutant terrorists blowing up building and shit. There are a lot of reasons to be afraid of mutants.

It's not that people don't believe it's that putting something like that in superhero movies in this day and age is just inviting politics again and that'll kill the MCU if they do that. Most people don't even believe racism still exists nor bigotry we got rid of that in the 60s right?

>Why would Magneto wanna go to war when Humans don't seem to give a shit about Mutants

Because Magneto is a gigantic self-absorbed douche and the only thing bigger than his undeserved ego is his persecution complex. He's a mutant supremacist with the power to back up his threats.

Magneto does not give a flying fuck if humans actually do or do not give a shit about mutants, he'll start his war regardless.

But he doesn't HAVE to be a Holocaust survivor!
Keeping Magneto chained to one particular back story is harmful to his character, especially when such lengths need to be taken to keep it intact.

There can be any number of justifications for Magneto's anti-human attitudes, and all of them are just as valid. But bending over backwards to make a fictional character tastelessly intertwined with an actual real life event is at best crass and at worst a little disrespectful.

Mutants are scary because they're uncontrolled and random. They also represent the next stage in human evolution. Guys like Captain America, Iron man and even Hulk are born from human genius. The X-men are "the other" an outside threat against humanities dominance on earth. Especially when half of them are maniacs like Magneto.

>That'll kill the MCU
Just like Black Panther and Captain Marvel did, right? Fuck I wish something would kill the MCU but you are delusional if you think the X-men talking about racism and shit like that is going.

Why would they reference it?

>>But he doesn't HAVE to be a Holocaust survivor!
>Keeping Magneto chained to one particular back story is harmful to his character, especially when such lengths need to be taken to keep it intact.
Thats like making Captain America a veteran of some other war.

Yeah, you COULD, but it'd be fucking stupid to change it.

Black Panther and Captain Marvel are just cracks, the X-Men would be the hit that opens the floodgates for the anti PC crowd and the radical leftists to tear the thing to pieces. You're a naive fool if you think the x-men and their racism angle can fly in today's world

>Logan still shows that Mutants are hunted and treated like outcasts by normal people, even in the future
>Everyone fucking loves Logan

>but if the MCU does it then it will be torn to pieces because the racism angle doesn't work today

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See, it was more believable there because mutants were the only supers in existence in that world, here we have a fucking army of super heroes and it's not even close to reaching the sheer number of them in the comics, I think someone actually drew them all once and it came out at 1500 of them

So the problem is that a comic book adaption is going to...be too much...like the comics where Mutants are given the shit stick for some weird reason?

I dunno man, it just kind of sounds like you're creating a problem that doesn't exist so you can complain about it existing

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>took Hulk 5 years to not be feared
and let's not forget earth hasn't had a rage monster attack since age of ultron in 2015
those kids in Endgame probably don't even remember anything except dude hulk, who I assume is a lot less scary once he regularly starts tweeting or whatever to help his image

the fear of mutants is largely two fold
1. for every blur guy or goopy person, you've got half a dozen or more that look like normal people except they could make Columbine look like a fucking joke on a whim (gun control/concealed carry metaphors go here)
2. it's not related to freak accidents for origins, one day you or your kids could end up freaks without any sign and that scares people (gay/AIDS metaphors go here)

Theres two very easy ways of doing it provided by canon: the destruction of the stones causing the Katrina of cosmic storms and kickstarting latent mutations, or my favorite, Ego kickstarted it a long time ago with his plans and other experiments. You dont even have to start with Magneto as big bad for that one, make Sinister someone who discovered Ego's manipulation and has been experimenting for a long time.

You forget that Days of future past, Logan and Apocolypse didnt have this problem and neither does DP. Those groups dont have nearly as much power as you think they do.

This fucking thread always shows up when normies think they’re smart. God strike me down now I don’t wanna live anymore

The destruction of the Reality and Powerstones could "create" the mutants, The rest of the stones could create the Fantastic 4.

>some third-world shithole like Venezuela tries to round up and kill some mutants

Why would they do that when they could use them to start their own government-sponsored super-team? Especially when America pretty much has the monopoly on superheroes?

That would be fine if it wasn't for the fact that mutant hatred almost never extends to other superheroes.

Fear can be irrational, but nobody fears the same thing for the exact same reason. There should logically be a group of people who hate all superhumans alongside the people who only hate mutants. However, those groups are treated as anomalies in 616 instead of a given. And even when there are people who victimize normal superheroes, it's because of something they did, not because of what they are.

The celestial host has been shown already, it could easily be them.

They should make him a refugee from Palestine

Just cut out the racism angle and make the X-men analogs for teenagers again.

Getting a mutation is like winning the lottery for teenagers. They use their powers to LARP as Avengers and commit vandalism. Adults are sick of it and want it to be controlled. Meanwhile, non-US governments are kidnapping young mutants to build their own superhuman armies to compete with America.

Or just make a separate set of x-men movies again, but do the same thing as marvel.
Or just have a couple crossovers with timeline shenanigans because that can happen now.

This sounds like the plot of New 52 TT. I would love to see it competently executed.

>So how are they gonna fit the X-Men into the MCU when nobody is scared of the Hulk?
Some of the people who were dusted came back with the xgene. Just have there be an explosion of mutants in the population and then they cause a mass tragedy. If that's not enough, have a mutant supremacist group prop out to give their 'we are the future' speech. Then have the x-men stop them but ineptly. Could also have some of the previous superheroes publicly speak out against the mutants or be wary of them.

Is that a mother fucking JoJo reference?!!

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