Can we have thread dedicated towards laughing at Capt Marvel's COMPLETE IRRELEVANCE in End Game?

People here are still whining that she did too much in the final fight because she was able to destroy the flagship and puts up a good fight against Thanos, even though she, y'know, still loses.

Don't contribute to the spam.

While the whiners were unbearable, I cringed pretty hard at the scene of Thanos headbutting her only for her just smirking. Thankfully she was almost immediately power gemmed away

The problem is, she almost works as a super strong friend who comes to help, but you feel nothing. And then you watch her movie to understand who she is and............ it makes you hate Endgame more. So, the better option would be to avoid CM and enjoy Endgame with random OP female Superman who occasionally comes to help.

Not OP but you do realize there can be a medium between absolutely useless like she was and 100% overbearing to reduce the rest of the cast to irrelevancy, right?

I understand hating the agenda push spammers but you're allowed to be reasonable about it too.

She will ruin all the new movies, Endgame is the real epilogue.

It really depends on where they are going to set her for future movies
If they put her on Earth she could ruin most movies but the Asgardians of the Galaxy would be safe, the other way around if she remains in space

So true. In the past, I picked and chose with the Marvel films, and only watched the ones I thought would be more fun. But I knew I would not hate a Marvel movie. Now, if they keep going with their über continuity thing, I might need to watch a chapter with HER in it to understand what comes next. Might just fuck it, and watch something else.

Well then I think we're done here. Move along folks, nothing to see.

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>save Stark and Nebula
>destroy Thanos shit
>COMPLETE IRRELEVANCE
Don't be stupid.

They literally had to really minimize her involvement as possible as she literally would make things so much easier and give Thanos the time to get stones.

Besides, beating a Thanos without the stones isn't that impressive. Thanos only won in Infinity War due to the Avengers being split up on top of already having stones. Wanda could do it herself, maybe Thor too if he wasn't fat. All the main Avengers together could do it too, I mean if you throw in Hulk to the fight with Thor, Ironman and Captain America, Thanos probably would have lost.

Space is big, she can always be off doing something important somewhere else. I can guarantee you there's virtually zero chance she'll show up or even be mentioned in any movie where the threat doesn't warrant her, because writers generally like their movies to have tension.

The frame by frame homage scene to IW where cap is trying to stop Thanos' hand then gets punched to the ground while Carol just overpowers him makes it obvious that womyn stronger than white male and sets her up as the new face of the MCU

Seriously, she had to be irrelevant in Endgame because if she had done anything important the fragile manbabys in here would have lost their minds and and spent weeks complaining about her ruining the whole movie.

None of that is really any justification for anything that happened, you're allowed to just call it bad writing that she was introduced and written into a position where they had to limit her involvement instead of just, you know, not involving her at all to begin with. Exactly like they've done numerous times in this very cinematic universe with people like Hank Pym.

She definitively proved she's stronger than Thor, so that's a thing.

Hi Yea Forums.

>people cheered at cap using the hammer
>people cheered when peter comes back
>dead silence when Captain Marvel comes at the end with her YASSS QUEEN entrance and then getting flicked away by Thanos like a booger

Really activates my almonds

>saves the universe
>irrelevant

The absolute cope.

youtube.com/watch?v=agyytss-dZg

> Disney Hypes up Carol.
> Everyone is talking about Wanda.

than Boomer Thor only.

>>saves the universe
That was Ant Man.
Ant Man saved the universe.

and Tony saved all life

She was nothing but a plot device. And even then, it was annoying to see her.
Carolfags must be so disappointed
>mfw

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I loved it when Thanos punched the shit out of her

she deserved that big pop

>Invents time travel
>First man to travel back in time
>Still gets small man and who are you jokes

AAAAAAH! CORVUS HELP MEEEE!

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I was able to enjoy her appearance in End Game. It's kind of what I imagined before the internet blew up talking about her.

>troll libtards epic style
>they seeth

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She could have been painlessly excised.

The movie was altered to push her.

It did not work.

Yeahhhh, I don't know what they were thinking when they already had Wanda around.

The funniest part is how the movie no one cared about is integral to the plot of the movie, while the one they hyped as absolutely necessary for Endgame was completely useless

It's amazing she makes one comment that offends you and you strain to twist your perception so that everything she does is negative somehow

Wait, who? Natasha didn't say anything mean. Or... Wanda?

Who are you talking about?

This is pathetic.

She contributed to the final fight just like everyone else did, plus she technically saved Tony and Nebula back at the start. In fact you still see faggots crying that she was too important because of how she destroyed the ship and brawled with Thanos for a few seconds. People bitch no matter what

I know what you meant, dingus. I just wanted to bring home how I feel about your dogshit opinion.

MCU Carol is a garbage fire when she could have been great. I will never not be angry about that.

We wouldn't bitch if she didn't suck as a character.

Really, it's bad from two angles: she is absurdly OP without 'earning' it, and she is depicted as unsympathetic. Why was it done this way?

>she is absurdly OP
And that's actually a big issue. She's just too strong. It's like having Superman in an episode of Spongebob.

>without 'earning' it
Why do so many of you retards still use this argument when almost every hero got their powers without "earning it"?

Only Tony, Strange and T'challa worked to get the powers they had, everyone else got them either through accidents, inherited from birth or being handed it by someone else.

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The autistic rage this character gets is hilarious.

It depends on what you mean by “earning”, in my opinion
For example in my opinion Cap earned his position, by keep trying despite not being body abled and, later, go into the war instead of keep doing propaganda movies and shows
Likewise, Spidey got his power by accident, but Homecoming is about earning his role as a hero

While I wouldn’t say Carol isn’t meant to have earned anything, at the very least the movie does an awful work at showing it, with it starting in media res and the climax literally being about her having always been awesome

How is it any different from the example you yourself stated. Spidey had all his training and practice for the powers offscreen to be how he is, and then learned about what it takes to be a hero. For Carol, it's her learning to break away from just following orders like a soldier and took a step to being a hero for others.

based

i bet you complained about hawkeye being an avenger too

kill yourself faggot

Not at all.

Honestly I think it's great that Captain Toe Fungus got so little in Endgame. If anything she deserve even less. I'm glad people at Disney realize how goddamn awful she is for the most part.

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>i bet you complained about hawkeye being an avenger too
Different user but if it had been five hawkeyes and Thor yeah that would have sucked ass.

That's why I put 'earned' in brackets, honeybunch. It's more emotional than anything.

Hilarious, huh? Ever had someone take a shit on something you cared about?

>Spidey had all his training and practice for the powers offscreen to be how he i

Not entirely fair: we had five movies about the character, and yeah, those aren't the same guy... but really they are.

What WAS she doing for half the movie though?
After she saved Tony and before she came back in the final battle. Sure other planets have problems, but isn't Thanos kind of more important? And don't other planets have their own heroes?

they say in the intro that it will be a while before she can talk to them again, so she missed the invite. and she says herself, there are many planets and they do not have avengers. plus there's no way the kree or whoever haven't taken this as a great opportunity to annex some now-weakened planets.

but that's every team superman has ever been on.

Introducing her into the MCU before endgame was a mistake
I’ve seen a couple of other anons say she didn’t really get much of a reaction or excitement form the audience in their respective theatres neither
Personally I think if they don’t either significantly improve her character and/or Brie Larson doesn’t step up her acting after endgame I don’t think captain marvel won’t end up as popular or profitable as Disney/Marvel are hyping her up to be and may hurt the MCU in the long run assuming if they are going to push her as a new key central character
Now I know some anons will properly point out her solo film making just over 1 billion worldwide but I personally don’t think that’s really entirely reflective of the star power of the character herself
Remember it was released after infinity war and effectively right before endgame when the MCU hype train is in full swing and everybody wanted to see every film to not miss anything
I say a better way to judge whether she can hold her own and handle being a key central of the MCU is just to wait and see how she fairs after endgame without captain America or iron man and the Thanos storyline being wrapped up
On top of with most people having already made up their minds whether they like her character or not and last time I checked I don’t think the reception to her solo film was entirely positive

agreed

that could have been a really amazing establisher to the character. don't show her during the tony rescue scene, just show tony's reaction to the light. have tony gibber for a bit about being rescued by some angel hallucination. keep hinting at her throughout the film. then in the endgame, have her show up for the first time when she wrecks the ship. give her the black panther treatment.

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At risk of sounding ageist, it's honestly pretty telling the teenage mentality behind bitching endlessly about a character you don't like, specially when it's clear the very existence of it (not the actions/inactions) what bother you so much. I'm a fan of hers and I liked what little she got, and I figured if she did more, people would bitch (because "muh stakes"). Now the haters are saying she should've done more and act as if her getting bodied wasn't part of the plan to make Thanos more threatening? It's fucking ridiculous really.
At this point it's pretty clear there can't be a middle ground, and it sucks since this is all because of some misconstrued interviews and obvious slant against someone that a really, outstandingly vocal minority has been launching ever since. So I don't know what to tell you, besides ignoring her I guess... Not like she's getting a TV series specifically for her nor is pushed hard beyond being in Endgame so far.

>Seriously, she had to be irrelevant in Endgame
I think it was the creative team not wanting to what Justice League did with Superman.

Umm sweetie... Have sex ;)

They just used Captain Marvel to milk as much SJW money they possibly can

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>Sure other planets have problems, but isn't Thanos kind of more important? And don't other planets have their own heroes?

>Earth is the only planet in the universe with superheroes
>And Captain Marvel is the most powerful hero of all
>She pwnd Thanos, the hitherto most powerful being in the universe
>And somehow, she never ever came up before 'Endgame'.

>Introducing her into the MCU before endgame was a mistak

Not introducing her in Phase 2 and not making her so stupidly OP was a mistake.

>it's clear the very existence of it (not the actions/inactions) what bother you so much

Wrong.

Umm sweetie... eat shit. She sucks and you know it. The only reason you're denying it is because the hate you foster for heterosexual men.

>Wrong.
Wrong? You proved it yourself here.

>negative ass
*raugh*

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what does ove mean?

well, yeah. if people didn't hate her for more visceral reasons than the writing, they wouldn't write endless posts about her ass or her feet or whatever

No. I explained to you and idiots like you that it's not her EXISTENCE we resent, it's HOW she exists - specifically, her idiotic power level and her behaviour.

If she had been written as more relatable, with more of a personality, and slightly less absurd power levels which render any opposition to her pointless (yeah, good luck making another movie with her) I wouldn't have given a shit who played her if it was Hitler with a shaved moustache.

I am a fan of Carol. She was one of my first, and I am an old fart. One of my first super hero comic memories is of her defeating the Super Skrull. Look the story up, it's good and I pray they adapt it.

MCU Carol could absolutely have been awesome and easily capable of carrying the next phase.
But they messed up and I am angry about it.

Do you understand that?

the stones are possibly gone from our timeline. maybe that will nerf carol and scarlet witch in future movies.

>her idiotic power level
Why is this an issue? She's a cosmic-level hero, if you were a fan of hers and cosmic heroes in general you wouldn't be saying this shit, because like her there's countless others, some of them are supposed to show up soon (Adam Warlock).
And honestly the rest is the same bickering I've seen for months and I can't be arsed to reply to, because I didn't find any issues with it. You just showed how there's no possible middle ground as I said, because instead of ignoring her, you just endlessly nitpick everything.
MCU Carol could absolutely have been awesome and easily capable of carrying the next phase. I'd rather talk about other things at this point.
>MCU Carol could absolutely have been awesome and easily capable of carrying the next phase.
Yeah except I doubt she was going to "carry the next phase" in first place, that's just the same ridiculous expectations based on the nonsense outragefags peddled. Her next movie is likely gonna be a prequel, just like Black Widow's, WandaVision will also be a prequel, Loki clearly will be a prequel too, every single one of these movies is gonna take place before the events we know aside from maybe Shang-Chi, Doctor Strange and Black Panther.

Where are the people that thought Disney filmed two cuts of Endgame in case her movie flopped?

Honestly this.

I don't get why people keep shouting about feminist propaganda, she did literally nothing. She blew up the ship, big deal. The ship was just a plot device to kill off Thanos's army since we knew Earth's armies weren't going to do jack shit.

She flew at thanos, got punched in the face with the power stone and that was it.

Tony and Steve were the stars of the end fight. Even Strange was more impressive.

If we were shouting about stupid girl power we'd be laughing at scarlet witch soloing thanos, but Captain Marvel? Literally no point in her even being in the movie.

Sam&Bucky will be post endgame. Loki will probably be set in the new timeline after Loki poofs off. Or something.

carol showing up in guardians of the galaxy 3 might actually make sense, considering that kinda-pointless scene where thor hazes her.

I can believe it's true. It would not be difficult to excise her, as I have said.

loki series is about him going through time and fucking with historical world events, apparently.

I'm glad they went with the Alt-cut where she was very played down

>I don't get why people keep shouting about feminist propaganda, she did literally nothing. Literally no point in her even being in the movie.

...Read this again.

Um... no, this was the alt-cut where she was played up.

cute little butt

>MCU Carol is a garbage fire
To be fair that makes her comic accurate

Well yeah it could be interesting specially if there's a war between the Accusers and the Sovereign, which will involve Adam Warlock for sure (this is confirmed).
There was never an alt-cut. They actually were gonna introduce her in Infinity War but decided to put all her scenes in Endgame, and she didn't even know she was playing Carol at the time, hence the disconnect between her attitude and her solo movie. It's more of an issue with production timetables the reason why she wasn't more prominent.

>specifically, her idiotic power level and her behaviour.
You realize Carol is one of the strongest heroes in marvel comics right? At least before we start getting into reality bending and x-men bullshit. What she's shown so far isn't that impressive as far as comics go, especially at cosmic scales.

>her behavior
personally I preferred her civil war personality.

>but that's every team superman has ever been on.
Not really, there are a lot of heroes in DC that can body Superman if they want. Just off the top of my head and for main Justice Leaguers you have Martian Manhunter and Green Lantern

No way, she did almost nothing.
>There was never an alt-cut.
Already proven wrong

>They actually were gonna introduce her in Infinity War
those stupid mother fuckers, why didn't they

dr strange, scarlet witch, vision

These days, yes.

Claremont, Reed and even Deconnick were pretty good.

>TFW an MCU Cru never

Except everybody gets nerfed for the MCU... except Carol, who is made EVEN STRONGER.

>personally I preferred her civil war personality.

Bendis? Seriously?

>dr strange, scarlet witch, vision
What? I mean I agree that they could likely body Superman as well but I wasn't saying he was stronger then any of them

[/spoiler]test [/spoiler]

i'm just saying, captain marvel is far from the only outclassingly strong hero on the avengers. she doesn't render the others useless anymore than superman renders literally everyone else on, say, the legion of superheroes useless

Well considering the role Carol has to play as a cosmic hero, they can't put her in "what if heroes were REAL" territories, because she is a space flying light show. She's been stronger in the comics either way, and I'm pretty sure Dr.Strange would still beat her MCU wise, even in his super nerfed state.

>Bendis
>joke
>your head

>No way, she did almost nothing.

Which is more than nothing.

What?
The alt-cut was a rumor peddled by Grace Randolph and the like, and it happened BEFORE her movie was even out, because they were "predicting" a flop.
>those stupid mother fuckers, why didn't they
Because Infinity War was overstuffed, apparently. I would've rather a short introduction instead of the post-credits tease, it would've made more sense to have her become an actual link between both movies instead of just someone who's supposed to be a turning point.

>except Carol, who is made EVEN STRONGER
Her Binary mode isn't even as strong as it is in the comics. We never see her blowing up planets as Feige teased, she only destroyed big ships in her movie and Endgame.

The Annihilators alone are Universe-class threats. If they introduced them, any of them (maybe not BRB and Richard Rider but who knows) could outclass her.

???
I was responding to the guy who said that Superman is only on teams who vastly overpower him.
I didn't say anything about Carol making everyone useless. Besides, you have characters like Thor who left in the 80's avenger comics because he literally realized he was too OP to be hanging out with them, so it's not as if Avengers is lacking hard hitting members

Well, there are some legitimate issues. For one things she's as powerful as everyone else put together, which is the problem they had with Superman in DoJ. She is totally, 100% invulnerable, shrugging off a head butt from Thanos without even flinching. Only the Power Stone took her out, and probably only then because she's powered by a stone.

And then there is the fact that she's a charisma void and falls into the Invincible New Guy Shows Up To Save The Day trope. That never plays well.

>and falls into the Invincible New Guy Shows Up To Save The Day trope.
Except this never actually happens, so...

I was just disappointed we didn't get to see Strange fight Thanos.
Strange's fight against Thanos in IF was the best fight of the movie, and that was against the infinity gauntlet Thanos. It would of been great to see him fight normal mode Thanos.

Whenever the 'calvary' arrives in a movie, they show up to devastate everything and let the heroes finish it. That was Carol's role here.

>That was Carol's role here.
No it wasn't, she arrives AFTER the portals are open and everyone rushes in to attack Thanos' army. All she did was remove an inconvenience.

Yeah, she was still part of the reinforcements squad because we needed some reason the ship explodes. If it wasn't her we would have Tony asspull some giant missile system he had hidden away because he was bored while raising a kid for 5 years.

No matter how the ship went down, it would have been an asspull. And here they just needed something for Carol to do.

>irrelevance
She was a fucking deus ex machina
>Oh god, how the fuck are they going to save Tony
>Oh god, how the fuck are they going to stop Thanos space shit that can wreck them at any moment
Whenver they write themselves into a corner...there's Carol

Pretty sure she was drawing power from the gauntlet. No way she could just take a blow from Thanos unscathed normally.

Eh, without the Gauntlet involved, the rematch would be just magic vs. Purple Hulk. Not that interesting.

That's another thing, Strange could have stomped Thanos in an instant, if he wanted. But that's fair. All these complaints that Carol is OP in a team miss the point, considering that directors always literally pick their battles.

To be fair, we're talking a Thanos that could get overpowered by Captain America.

>She is 100% invulnerable except when she isn't

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No you don’t understand. People think this WAS the excised cut. They’re convinced that bitching on Yea Forums made Marvel change the entire conclusion to their biggest movie.

>She was a fucking deus ex machina
As opposed to Doctor Strange, who literally opens portals to bring EVERYONE and their mothers conveniently into the battlefield after gathering them off-screen, right on time to save the day.
Carol's contributions to that fight were minimal in comparison. Only reason she saves Tony is because she's the one of them who has more experience flying into space and can do some FTL shit to retrieve them, and because none of them had ships capable of doing the same thing. They still use the Benatar to do the time heists after all, whenever a ship is needed.

She was specifically set up as a powerful ally. That’s not deus ex machina.

>strange shows up at the last second after teleporting from across the universe
>brings dozens of heroes and thousands of soldiers from across the globe
>also stops and grabs Howard the Duck on the way home
>everyone is filled in on the details and ready to fight
Yeah wtf why isn’t anyone complaining about how OP that is?

Only thing that makes sense with how much they shilled her vs how much she actually did

>Her Binary mode isn't even as strong as it is in the comics.

...granted. I would still argue this isn't Binary mode.

Unfortunately that implies she can become even stronger.

Why like this?

>Whenever the 'calvary' arrives

*cavalry

Which is never. She got knocked away, maybe stunned... after facing Thanos, who singlehandedly nerfed the Hulk.

I could almost believe it.

That they would have Carol save the day, I mean.

He had a movie all about gitting gud, meanwhile the main lesson in CM was that she was always that good.

>Only thing that makes sense

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>I could almost believe it.
>That they would have Carol save the day, I mean.
what is this blithering? the movie was obviously set up to service the original avengers. they're not the cult of carol no matter what reddit has told you

>Which is never except when she was beaten

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>That they would have Carol save the day, I mean.
The Russos aren't stupid, why would they make a movie in which she's the one who saves the whole day when they always had in mind the portals?
See, this is where every bullshit rumor
falls flat, they wouldn't write an entire sequence where they bring ALL the heroes and armies just to nerf Carol.

>meanwhile the main lesson in CM was that she was always that good.
... No that's not it, but I know you guys sleepwalked through it (if you actually got to see it) and repeat this shit in the echo chamber ad nauseam.

This scene was the only time I've ever heard people excited for Wanda in any capacity.

Sorry Carolfag, get fucked

>no you're wrong
>i'm not going to tell you what it ACTUALLY is but just know that you're wrong!
man the damage control from Carolfags has been crazy these past few days

that was the main lesson in spider man homecoming and the first captain america movie too lol

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It's just a pointless discussion, why should I explain the movie to you when you should've just seen it?

Neither of which are as OP, besides Spider-man had CW all about how he was a rookie so he did his do time.
Cap has had plenty of time to prove himself as well, though if he was firing around energy blasts and easily trumping everything he went against like Carol then yeah, he;d be shit.

>w-why should I prove you wrong!
Why are you even posting if you refuse to back up any of the points you're making

When was the last time you saw The First Avenger? Just saying.

when spiderman had the gauntlet she had a chance to put it on and end the whole war right there. she's powerful enough to have no taken any damage at all.

carol got beaten up by a grandma

- Shows up to save Tony with zero percent explanation for how she found them and then flies them some vast distance back to Earth

- Shows up to blow up the Stardestroyer-sized mothership with zero effort and then proceeds to solo Thanos, only being stopped by the Power Stone

And she's poisonously dull. She doesn't have any flaws or weaknesses either. It's a bad combination.

Not him, are you actually shitposting about a movie you haven't seen or at least read a good summary? I'll give you a hint, the point you and the other user are bickering about is spelled out very openly by the Intelligence

It would have killed him before he could do a Snap. Look what it did to the Hulk. Tony only survived as long as he did due to his armor.

if she didn't show up in the movie at all, people would be going REEE SO MUCH FOR DEFENDER OF THE UNIVERSE

I'm talking about captain marvel. at one point she everyone was giving spiderman free rides she picked him up too

The problem is they didn't develop her character. She was a last minute addition. This is the exact problem DC had with trying to hurry into a cinematic universe with BvS and DoJ. I don't care about Carol because all she had was one movie and our standards for origin movies are higher these days.

I did and i'm right, yes.

her power comes from the space stone in the gauntlet so it would likely have killed her

>- Shows up to save Tony with zero percent explanation for how she found them and then flies them some vast distance back to Earth
Do you really need this explained when they have Rocket right there and she was shown to know how to create devices capable of intergalactic communication in her own movie, as part of her Kree training? This is why I think a lot of these complains stem from the fact you refused to watch her movie.

- Shows up to blow up the Stardestroyer-sized mothership with zero effort
"Zero" effort is pretty debatable, and the only threat wasn't the destroyer ship, there was an entire army underneath that she wasn't handling. If she had arrived to obliterate the entire army, Leviathans AND the Destroyer, you'd have a point. Again, she can do this in her movie and it's explained how.

>and then proceeds to solo Thanos
You mean like how Wanda fought Thanos before, and how Thor fought him with two hammers by himself too? The only one who needed assist was Tony, and that was because Thor blasted him full of energy, because even Cap kept Thanos at bay with the hammer.

>only being stopped by the Power Stone
Thanos' power levels are all over the place, even without the Gauntlet he could solo Hulk. This proves nothing.

>She doesn't have any flaws or weaknesses either
... Except when she does!

That is a fair point. She might be able to survive long enough to do a Snap.

Fuck Carol and fuck her fans!!!

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frankly i think it's good they didn't try to develop her in this one. and i like carol. endgame had more immediately relevant characters to develop cartharis and closure for. she's just the cavalry in this one and that's fine

You realize Carolfags are THRILLED with Endgame, right?

This
I wouldnt mind her smiling after getting headbutt if Thanos didnt take on ironman thor and cap with a hammer all at once. And the Hulk previously.
Its bad form to intro a character between a two parter who is stronger then every other character youve built up for 10 years. I really hope they downplay her as the MCU figures out its next phase but Im worried after that forced as fuck girl power moment that were fucked. I really wish these movies stayed above such blatant pandering. I actually like most of those heroes too, but I would have preferred shuri to get a cool action shot with her kitten mittens then a big group shot then..nothing? Just carol flying through shit like a flying brick? Why group up for a photo in a big battle? Whats next? Well take a group photo with all the black people? Pandering is insulting to anyone who isnt ruled by a vengeful ego.

>The problem is they didn't develop her character
As opposed to what? What's the character development behind Strange opening portals for the battle or T'Challa chanting? The movie had dozens of characters but the focus was obviously on a select few, mostly the original Avengers and Nebula. Again, pre-movie you cried about how she was going to get all the attention and now you cry about how she didn't get enough

>Cap
>not OP
Are you stupid? He goes toe to toe with full-gauntlet Thanos.

That's the company line, yes

>Well take a group photo with all the black people?
did you look away for a minute when black panther came back or something

>What's the character development behind Strange opening portals for the battle
His movie where he's opening portals all over the place? What a stupid point to make

She sorted the heavy artillery and bought everybody some important moments, before Thanos used the power stone to knock her out.

So she was relevant enough, as were everyone else. Relax and enjoy.

Very powerful characters can be likeable. And then there's Carol. She had poorly explained powers - why is she so invulnerable? Why did the Space Stone give her this range of powers? Why didn't Thanos just take her powers away since they came from the stone?

She has no weaknesses or flaws. Everybody else has tons, like Tony being arrogant and dismissive, Thor being moody and making bad decisions. Carol is just a flying brick with Herald of Galactus-level powers including faster than light travel.

She isn't charismatic. At all. I hoped the Russos could direct her better but she's as wooden as Keanu Reeves. She starred in a movie where every other character was more interesting than she was and for the first time I finished an MCU movie and said "I don't care if this never gets a sequel."

So you're saying Carol had no movie

I'm just calling your point stupid

Its funny that nobody realizes that the character is writen as an arrogant and bossy Marry Sue. Kind of sad that people hate the actor for it.

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>Why didn't Thanos just take her powers away since they came from the stone?
thanos is pretty unimaginitive for a guy who can literally change the reality of space and time

>She's suppose to be shit
You aren't wrong but that doesn't really give people a reason to like her

"Whosoever holds this hammer, if he be worthy..."

To be fair, brie larson is actually cast to really just play herself. in interviews, she acts likea cunt

if hulk can snap and survive she should be too.

>She has no weakness
>tony man is arrogant and dismissive
and carol is arrogant and dismissive, and a massive cunt who's desperate to show that she can do that job too.

You know the whole feminism thing actually makes sense for her, and it pulls heavily from the comics where she's constantly shown to be trying to prove that she can be a real hero too. So when she does do these annoying dismissive things, its just her trying to play the part of a hero.

The king, the princess, and his royal guard? Im not a spaz who spergs when I see 3 black people. It would be insulting if the wakandans showed up and then war machine and falcon just jumped in for a group photo real quick. Its like in comics how they paired storm and black panther just because theyre black.
Pandering should be more insulting to people, but its worrisome when people start begging for it. Dr. King weeps.

You keep saying she has no weaknesses and flaws and hammering onto the same topic, do you even read comics? Do you ACTUALLY need these powers explained when it was obvious they all came from the same source as the Tesseract?
Let's play that same game: explain Wanda's powers. And on top of that, explain Quicksilver's. Both also came from the Mind Stone apparently, but it's never explained how she can do what she does nor how Quicksilver is like that, even though both were infused by it.

See?

None of that shit makes any sense, they're powers related to the Infinity Stones and they don't need further explanation, aside from the fact that the lightspeed engine Carol blew up was linked to the Tesseract, and when she blasted it, she received a huge dose of energy that fused with her. Nothing else to it.

>Why did the Space Stone give her this range of powers?
I dunno, how did the mind stone give telekinesis, super-speed and laser cannons?

>She has no weaknesses or flaws.
carol is more preoccupied with other planets as well as earth, since she is so powerful she is stretched thin. she is detatched. if she wasn't, and she was more concerned with earth, she would have been able to take the call and go on the time travel mission.

it wasn't just because he was strong. hulk was relatively immune to the gamma radiation the snap generates, since he's made out of the stuff.

>she is detatched
This, right here, is a HUGE flaw and it was highlighted by the fact she stood alone during the funeral, not even Nick Fury was alongside her. She couldn't connect, because she's been away from Earth for so long she can't relate to it, the same issue she had when she became Binary in the comics. Hell it wouldn't surprise me if she actually made excuses not to come back, because she feels more at ease in outer space in a similar way Richard Rider does.

why would the mind stone make you fast?
i can understand telekenisis cause that's a brain-type power, but why fast?

It makes sense if you think about it.
The mind stone didn't make quick silver fast, it made him able to make everyone else's brain run slow so he looked like he was running fast.
That's why he couldn't dodge the bullets at the end.

i'd like this as a direction for a new movie. characters who jump into the adventure life wholesale are fun

Exactly, why would the Tesseract power Tony's arc reactor, but give Arnim Zola's lasers teleporting powers?
In one case, the Mind Stone grants sentience to robots, but in others it can mindwipe. They can do whatever the plot demands.

Tough but fair

It legit feels like her placement was an afterthought pushed by the mouse on to the Russo brothers. If she acts smug for every appearance she makes then I'm glad she was hardly used. That Thanos punch was satisfying

i guaruntee this will come up in her next movie.
monica has had 15 years to grow resentful of auntie carol

did the cat got snapped?

>If she acts smug for every appearance she makes then I'm glad she was hardly used
Another one who didn't see her movie.

I saw it. She was the least interesting character. The woman can't act. She's an emotionless slab like Keanu Reeves, who only got roles for being a pretty, pretty man.

>I saw it.
Then why did you say "if"?
>She was the least interesting character.
Which one was it? "The cat", like the initial reactions said? The same cat that had a couple of scenes tops?
>The woman can't act. She's an emotionless slab like Keanu Reeves
Further proof you didn't see it.

I am not the "if" guy.

I did see it. The cat was more interesting than she was. The woman can't emote. Marvel/Disney has had good luck with leading men but is about 50/50 for the women. Pepper is great, Gamora so-so, Nebula great, Carol less than so-so, Wasp good, Widow not so good except in Endgame.

I saw her movie and thought she was smug as hell. I even liked some of it, like when she screamed back at that skrull, that was some good carol.
She just bleeds arrogance and her entire origin boiled down to “you had the power of flying brick all along! Go breath in space and do no wrong!”
There is a reason that its hard to write superman. That kind of power needs something relatable behind it. Without Clark superman doesnt work as a character.
Carol has never eaten humble pie. If people like her they are free to, not gonna convince them otherwise, but to say she doesnt have a likability problem is to ignore reality, which the comics did anyway. Maybe the MCU will ignore that to, but without squeezing her right in front of the biggest movie literally of all time, making damn sure you HAVE to see it in theaters before endgame, cant wait to rent it or catch it on netflix, AND telling audiences its super important for the biggest movie of all time, Im inclined to believe her box office numbers wont be as spectacular.

>I did see it. The cat was more interesting than she was.
Meme response.
>The woman can't emote.
The movie had her being completely emotional throughout the whole thing, you're going by the trailers, again, like every other memester who says the exact same thing.
>Marvel/Disney has had good luck with leading men but is about 50/50 for the women.
lol
>like when she screamed back at that skrull, that was some good carol.
... Which also appeared in the trailers. How about you mention something that didn't, to prove you actually saw it?
>She just bleeds arrogance and her entire origin boiled down to “you had the power of flying brick all along! Go breath in space and do no wrong!”
That's... What? Completely wrong, what the fuck.
> but without squeezing her right in front of the biggest movie literally of all time, making damn sure you HAVE to see it in theaters before endgame, cant wait to rent it or catch it on netflix, AND telling audiences its super important for the biggest movie of all time, Im inclined to believe her box office numbers wont be as spectacular.
And yet it's obvious you didn't see it. I am repeating myself a lot but none of these complaints sound like people who actually know what happens in it, only judging by the biased reactions here of people who also didn't see it, and those who clipped Twitter reactions with summaries. "The cat steals the show!", etc.

I think they could do Carol right sort of similar to the comics.

We don't need super relateable boy scout Clark Kent. We could very well have bitchy arrogant Carol, but instead of playing up how strong she is play up the mental aspect of her always feeling the need to prove herself and feeling isolated.
They kinda fucked up that first part with her stand alone movie, I was a little disappointed when she just light beamed her old boss instead of falling for the bait. Considering how the ending was just her showing off, it would have been fun seeing her biting the bait and fucking up.

This is the Rey problem too. Rey is good at absolutely everything instantly and never loses in a relevant way. It's bad character design.

Just fuck off if you're going to call everyone who doesn't agree with you a liar. All you're doing is screaming in the wind.

>I was a little disappointed when she just light beamed her old boss instead of falling for the bait. Considering how the ending was just her showing off, it would have been fun seeing her biting the bait and fucking up.
How? Her falling for the bait and doing that would be an EXACT reason to hate her and to complain once more that she's "too perfect" and arrogant, when the conclusion is much better: she has nothing to prove to the guy, and she still doesn't have to kill him because she knows how much he helped her.

>Just fuck off if you're going to call everyone who doesn't agree with you a liar.
What else can I reply to a guy who repeats the same bullshit about her being "unable to emote" and that the cat was better?

Maybe not respond just because he has an opinion you don't agree with?
Stupid fucking waifufags, you don't have to defend the honor of the picture you jack off to

good post. let her be a bitch, she's earned it

rey got chump'd by kylo and the mind meld
not relevant either way, take it to Yea Forums

>play up the mental aspect of her always feeling the need to prove herself and feeling isolated.
they did though. every scene regarding her relationship to the Kree was about how she was always trying to be the best that she could be, but the Kree didn't want that they wanted an amoral attack dog and that left her feeling isolated and trying even harder to be better.

Because by not falling for the bait she just accepts that she's better than him and she knows it. Its just playing into her arrogance by saying she's right, she is better than everyone else.

If she bit the bait and faught him hand to hand and lost, it shows she's still weak and she only won because of her super special space powers, and it would play into her lack of confidence and her need to prove herself as a capable individual.

They even started down that route with the whole female fighter pilot thing, as someone who basically got snubbed from being able to take part in battles because she's a woman, she wants to prove herself as a capable fighter. Its not about doing the job, its about other people knowing she can do that job.

They should be playing into her inferiority complex rather than her arrogance. The arrogance should just be the shield she uses to hide her perceived inferiority.
That was more a bang on the kree though than on carol. Now that she's back with the humans, hopefully they play it up more here that even among the people she is like, she's still an outsider.

>rey got chump'd by kylo and the mind meld
>not relevant either way, take it to Yea Forums

You mean the mind meld she instantly learned and was then better at it than he was five seconds after being exposed to it?

I'm not a waifufag imbecile, I reply in earnest to other posts but then this guy shows up repeating the same shit as every other, and you expect me to just ignore it?
>but the Kree didn't want that they wanted an amoral attack dog and that left her feeling isolated and trying even harder to be better.
Exactly, and furthermore, this is what the trailers showed and what people who DIDN'T see the movie think she was throughout the whole thing, when as soon as she's on Earth interacting with others, she lets go. It's the easiest way to tell who actually watched the movie and who didn't.
>if she bit the bait and faught him hand to hand and lost...
But why would she do that? Like, what reasoning is there for this, after destroying the Accusers' ships? Ah okay you just saw me blasting through their armada but I'm gonna go ahead and fight you mano a mano because...?
>it shows she's still weak and she only won because of her super special space powers
Yon-Rogg was tasked with keeping her under control and training her. It's stupid to pretend she somehow was under him when the reason of his existence was to tame her into submission. No, it doesn't make sense in the narrative, specially not after breaking free from the Supreme Intelligence.
>They should be playing into her inferiority complex rather than her arrogance.
I don't see how she was in any way arrogant during that scene, specially not after she gave him a hand to pull him up, and put him on a ship back to his planet. Arrogance would've been to just kill him in the act.

adderall makes you work faster, simple as

literally all of that was because snoke did it to manipulate them together. it failed for him because kylo is a lil fuck
>people who are salty about last jedi also hate captain marvel
like pottery

>I'm not a waifufag
Bull fucking shit.
You're obsessively defending Carol and calling anyone that doesn't love her a liar.

I don't give a fuck if you like her or not, dumbass. I'm only calling out those who didn't see the movie and are bullshitting just to make a point about her. It's been months of this same shit, and to this day is pretty easy to tell.
>people who are salty about last jedi also hate captain marvel
And you're noticing this now? They're the same ones who claim Marvel is "fucking up" by introducing her and are pulling a "NuWars" on the MCU.

user, you gotta let it go. I know it upsets you but people are allowed to dislike Carol and you sperging out and calling everyone who doesn't a liar just makes you and other Carolfags look insane

Is this what getting gaslighted feels like?

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>but why would she do that
because she has an inferiority complex dumbass.
It doesn't make sense, obviously she's capable, but she feels the desire to prove to everyone she is. Its a core part of Carol's character.
>arrogance would be..
no, that's being dumb
she was arrogant because she knew she was better and was just manhandling him to show off. she was purely just rubbing it in that she's better than him in every possible way.

Take your tumblr terms else where, thanks

She’s the most comic accurate character in the mcu and you guys are complaining. She sucks in the comics and she sucks in the movies. You’re supposed to hate her.

I honestly think this is set up for her to lose in Civil War 2.

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A fucking 3.

BASED

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>REEEE REMOVE CAROL FROM ENDGAME NOW

Okay.
Tony dies in space.
The end

Or
The Avengers get obliterated by Sanctuary 2.
The end.

Or
Thanos snaps his fingers and kills everyone
The end.

>It doesn't make sense, obviously she's capable, but she feels the desire to prove to everyone she is. Its a core part of Carol's character.
????
It doesn't make sense narrative-wise, if she breaks from the Supreme Intelligence's control, why would she fall for the exact same tactics to prove herself worthy before the Kree? See, I think you didn't get what happened in the movie up until that point and why Yon-Rogg's pretensions (who were basically stalling) are transparent as fuck.
>she was purely just rubbing it in that she's better than him in every possible way.
Not in every way, in the way that mattered. She might not have been able to beat him in martial arts, but she was capable enough to be on her own without a leash.

>either you're lying or you didn't get it if you don't agree with me
Go away already

Because her fighting ability is separate than the super intelligence's control.
She would want to show that she's a better fighter than him regardless of the super intelligence's control.

>but narritive
it makes character wise. I'm assuming you no absolutely nothing about Carol considering your posts, but she does have an inferiority complex, its one of the driving forces behind all her actions. She does things to prove she really is a hero, despite being one of the strongest heroes. It doesn't matter that she is capable because she needs other people to know she's capable.
Hence why she should have fought yon-rogg, obviously it was stalling, but it fits with Carol's personality to take the bait because she needs to prove herself capable.

We've seen spider-man learn his powers through multiple iterations now. I noticed how you're also casually glossing over the fact that in his new film they didn't have spidey start from scratch like the last five movies. This was a spider-man that had been doing it for enough time to get noticed by Stark, not Peter Parker one week into his powers.

But that would be contraproductive to her character arc in the movie, which was exactly overcoming that insecurity and need to prove her worth.

Nah. You'll notice I'm actually arguing with someone who doesn't agree with me, but clearly did watch the movie. Go troll elsewhere.
>Because her fighting ability is separate than the super intelligence's control.
It's part of the same package, because it all came from their training. That's not something she learned before getting kidnapped.
>it makes character wise.
Narrative matters most here. She broke free from their control, she doesn't have to answer to them anymore, and her abilities actually came before them, even if she couldn't control them before.
>but it fits with Carol's personality to take the bait because she needs to prove herself capable
In the movie (not the comics) she proves herself capable of being on her own and in control of her own emotions. That's what it was all about here. It is a meta-textual message about feminism and gaslighting in abusive relationships in fact, that reaching the point where she can break free from the manipulation is an important step in every person who suffers that.
What you're suggesting is that a victim of abuse has to "prove" to her abuser that she can be on her own, and that if she fails, she's uncapable... All because "inferiority complex"? You're sending the wrong signs here.

>You'll notice I'm actually arguing with someone who doesn't agree with me, but clearly did watch the movie.
Did you just not finish reading that one line I posted? Stupid fucking waifufag

>I didnt like captain marvel.
>Its not a good movie.
>No problem with people talking about it.

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Go troll elsewhere.

And your missing my point, which is that Captain Marvel had years to hone her powers and skills too? Because a lot of people seem to complain about her being competent already in her film without seeing her learn... even though Black Panther and Spider-man are the same.

>What you're suggesting is that a victim of abuse has to "prove" to her abuser that she can be on her own, and that if she fails, she's uncapable... All because "inferiority complex"? You're sending the wrong signs here.
I'm suggesting that's what Carol would believe, because it is what Carol believes.

The point of Carol is that its ridiculous she always needs to prove herself, because she already is one of the strongest avengers. That's why she always ends up causing problems, just like how Tony's arrogance continually fucks him up despite him being developed repeatedly. Tony will always think he knows whats best for everyone, and Carol will always feel the need to prove herself. Its a character flaw, and that's the point, it adds character to them.

i like your posts but this is the wrong place for them sweet user

In fairness to Carol it's impossible they'll ever make her a movie as bad as Civil War.

You're talking about the character of the comics, and I'm talking specifically about the movie. They're two different characters and operate in different mindsets. Getting them mixed is a mistake because at no point we see Carol actually "needing to prove herself" constantly about everything like you suggest, but rather someone who was under control of a pervasive Supreme Intelligce, who was told she couldn't be on her own and that she had to submit, and what happens when she proves she doesn't have to listen to them anymore. That's it.
A flaw that comes from this is that she's alienated from Earth because she was isolated for a very long time, and for that reason she can't connect with them anymore. But as to "prove herself" in these terms, they would have to recontextualized for who she is in the movies: now she has to relearn how to be human, how to love again, how to care about others, and yes, I do think the sequel might deal with Monica, who's now older and probably grown resentful.

truly, thor 2 took the bullet for us all

Her not having those character flaws is a large part of why she's so shit in the MCU is my point.
She lost the major draw point behind her character, now she's no longer using arrogance as a shield because she feels inferior, she's using arrogance because she's a cocky bitch, and that's just not a fun character.

Amen.

>the character is writen as an arrogant and bossy Marry Sue.

1) Not often, in fact.
2) That doesn't mean you have to write her like that in the movie.

And why do you think that won't be the next big character flaw for her to overcome? Just like Tony had to accept consequences of his actions and accountability as a hero too, after the whole Ultron fiasco.

>how they paired storm and black panther just because theyre black

Fair is fair: Wakanda and Kenya border each other, and it's logical the royal family would want to know more about a woman who apparently can change the weather at will. They sent the prince, and he discovers the witch/goddess is actually a nice young woman who was not made into a total bitch by the power she has, but uses it to help people.

I can just hear Ramonda say "And is this girl married?"

Bullshit.

I don't, but we haven't really seen shit with her in the past 2 movies. Which is why she's so unappealing.

Fuck off, the DC movies never managed to sell it, but you know what makes Clark heads and shoulders above Captain Marvel? A personality. A genuinely likable one at that. The problem with Carol isn’t simply her power level, it’s her complete lack of anything interesting on top of that. She gets two or three big moments in Endgame and the only one that illicted a reaction was her getting BTFO

>She gets two or three big moments in Endgame and the only one that illicted a reaction was her getting BTFO
So... Did you watch her movie or not?

Giving up at actually having an argument, eh waifucuck? Good to see you being honest

Go troll elsewhere.

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>"Hi, I'm Peter Parker."
>"Hey, Peter Parker... Have you ever taken a suppository before?"
What was with Carol in this movie?

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>she meets so many wannabe heroes on numerous planets she has already forgotten his name
>like the space version of a tired barista

>fragile manbabys in here would have lost their minds
>in here
How relevant do you think this place is?

>l-lol she was shit on purpose g-guys

>"her role was minuscule because of our incessant bitching and endless videos against her! We did it, Reddit!"

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Tony the mechanical genius all of a sudden couldn't remember how to fix a spaceship

>Rocket: "You're only a genius on Earth" as he fixes his own ship the way he knows how to do
Wow it's like this was explained on the film and nobody paid attention.

She isn't known as Captain Marvel-Sue for just any reason.

>fixing something completely and utterly foreign to you
>he did it anyway and they ran out of oxygen
Shut up.

>can't fix a shitty rocket
>can build a glove to hold the infinity stones easily
Nice try sweetie

when you have no oxygen and no realistic way to get more oxygen with the tools you have, doesn't matter how smart you are

>when you have no oxygen and no realistic way to get more oxygen with the tools you have, doesn't matter how smart you are
>discussing logic and realism in a superhero movie

YOU NEED IT TO BREATHE

In my theater, the only time people clapped were when Spiderman first came and at the end. Personally, I got Superman vibes from her. Especially when she btfo'd the flagship, crowd, and during the "YASS GURLS" scene. It was nice though to see her taken down a peg when Thanos powerpunched her.

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This

teleport behind you in space

I think you're mixing two crowds here. I agree on your second statements though.

And where's the fuel, dear? How does he breathe in space? Tons of variables, but you pick the wrong one to bitch about.

>can literally figure out how to travel through time. As a matter fact when you think about it iron man's ability could have been time travel for the entirety of his run
>but creating breathing fucking oxygen is out of his intellectual reach.

Seriously its stupid as fuck. I dont have a problem with Captain marvel saving them in space but its so stupid to have someone just stumble on time travel like "oh yeah I guess I could just do it like that huh?"

Good. I hated that they showed tony returning home. There was no tension for the entire movie up to the last scene.

Where are they going to find oxygen? It's not like they have any minerals right in the middle of outer space they can just mine, then process it. They're stranded for a reason.

she was just joyless charmless and arrogant, everything she "contributed" to the movie was tantamount to taking away a moment of catharsis for another character. Tony and Nebula should've fixed the ship on their own to get back Nebula and Gamora should've been the ones to destroy the flag ship and Hulk should've been the one to take on Thanos at the final hour. Seeing her come in made my stomach drop and her line delivery justified the pointless annoyance

Did anyone really think tonys story would end with him suffocating in space 5 minutes into the movie? Even if you didnt watch infinity war, do you honestly think hed die without doing anything?
Its like saying "i hate how they showed cap survived the beginning of Winter Soldier. Made there be no stakes for the entire boat raid"

She should have done less. In fact, if possible, she should not have been in the movie at all except to be made fun of.

Wasn't gonna happen, sorry. Get a grip already.

He's not a fucking alchemist; he can't will oxygen into being. Stop being a fucking retard over something that was never presented as possible in the universe.

All of those could easily be edited or changed.

Tony and Nebula fix the ship at the last minute.

Sanctuary 2 gets blow up with Dr Strange's magic power bullshit.

Hulk takes the place of Captain Toe Fungus and stops Thanos from snapping his fingers.

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I'm already pretty happy she got shafted for the most part. Why are you so mad?

I'm not the one crying over her presence, minimal as it was. And I'm certainly not the one desperately looking for ways to rewrite her out of the movie:
So yeah, who's the really mad here? Her movie was successful, so was Endgame, deal with it.
>b-but she's a plank!
Nobody cares about your opinion. Go make a youtube video or something.

I know it's overused but MCU Carol really fits the "She needs to be angrier and have a jetpack, and when she's not around, people need to say, where's Carol?" quote

absolutely seething carol fag

I don't know, go dilate or some shit. What's the response here when you're accused of seething?
This is funny considering it was Nat who died instead. Hmm, interesting.

Wait a minute, she destroyed the ship that would help Thanos win the war and also prevented him from doing another snap.

Tell me again how USELESS she was.

>what's the response here when you're accused of seething
To cope hard :^)

There, thanks. Well, go cope. Oh and pic related.
You don't understand, she's useless because she was away for 80% of the movie and when she returned, she got punched with the Power Stone, despite doing all these other things. I don't know, don't reason with outragefags, not worth it.

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it think its useless in a narrative and cathartic sense. She was simply a plot device there to deflate the tension, its like her thought on a strong person is just a condecending prick with no redeeming value beyond what the plot is forced to give her. She HAD to be in this movie because if we weren't told multiple times by characters we actually like saying how great Carol is we'd never figure it out on our own. Every scene she's in followed the same pattern, we see her smug face other characters mention how great she is, she dlivers a line flatly and then the characters once again tell us how great she is. Except that one scene where Black Widow is annoyed at how little she's helping earth when Carol actually talks down to her because we need to see how badass she can be I guess

t.carol fag

>Every scene she's in followed the same pattern, we see her smug face other characters mention how great she is, she dlivers a line flatly and then the characters once again tell us how great she is.
Did you actually watch the movie?

yeah, she was awful in it, did you not see it? What I didn't see was Captain Marvel, was she a joyless charmless arrogant mess there as well?

So wait you didn't see Captain Marvel either? What DID YOU see, man?

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I saw the man who killed Don Quixote which was pretty god. But after I saw Endgame and saw why every didn't like Brei Larsons depictions of a mildly loved character, while also not show casing any of the personality the original character is mildly loved for

>But after I saw Endgame
But you didn't. Why are you lying to us here? I don't understand, this is all very confusing.

Carol is just not supposed to be the character everyone wants her to be, you guys just DON'T GET IT.

She's not a dork like Superman, she won't smile and blink at you and give you hugs. But she will help you when you need her, and she can be counted on.

She doesn't give a crap to people who don't like her, and that includes YOU and all the male in this website that likes to bullshit about her EVERY DAY, but she does her best job every time, and that's all that really matters.

but her best is awful, since she was so obsessed with "protecting the universe"how did she not hear of the genocidal madman who was going to destroy half the universe and then proceed to. Considering the movie ended with her coming close to successfully destroying thanos without any help her not fighting him in the first place shows how incompetent she is. I'm sorry I don't like how these big boost in "feminist" characters have to forego any sort of proper character and completely deflait the dramatic tension. Why is modern feminism so spiteful towrads femininity? and why does being the strongest character mean you have to have no character other than knowing you're the strongest character? Look at Nebula in the movie if you want to see how to write a nuanced and powerful woman not afraid to show weakness

I was thinking about how I wish that the Guardians movies had properly introduced Adam Warlock, because the CM vs Thanos fight should have been Adam, since Carol fighting him means nothing in terms of character arcs. But then I realized that nothing needed to change in Endgame for that fight to have meaning: the problem is the way they handled Mar-Vell in CM to begin with.

Imagine if the CM movie was about how Mar-Vell (who could still be a lady, that doesn't matter) was a Kree warrior who wanted the Kree to step up and stop Thanos' genocides, but the Kree refused to intervene. So she stole some power source (nega bands?) and went rogue. Tried to stop Thanos at a Skrull world and failed, but when the Kree came around to finish the job, she helps the survivors to escape. They end up on Earth, the Kree follow, Mar-Vell gets almost killed, Carol is involved via air force or something, somehow gets Mar-Vell's powers, and the rest of the story goes the same. Kidnapped, brainwashed, realises the truth, fights the Kree.

Then when the Snap happens, a recording or something from Mar-Vell informs her about Thanos' genocides, so she decides to intervene at last, and just like that, the Carol vs Thanos fight now has some fucking meaning.

I know, I know, shitty fanfic, but anything that made Mar-Vell a hero and gave her some history with Thanos would have made Carol's fight matter beyond "she strong lol".

>since she was so obsessed with "protecting the universe"how did she not hear of the genocidal madman who was going to destroy half the universe and then proceed to.
How did no one else? Plot convenience.
>Considering the movie ended with her coming close to successfully destroying thanos without any help
Demonstrably untrue. Everyone contributed to his demise, EVERYONE. She was as "close" as Wanda or Thor were. Lying about the movie in a thread about the movie makes you look bad, user.

>the rest of the post is a rant about feminism
Like clockwork

Just about every movie past the first avengers had something to do with the characters fidning and hiding the infinity stones. We see Thanos interacting DIRECTLY with the Kree and from my understanding of Captain Marvel she should've already had Ronan on notice so her, being the person the AVENGERS are now named after letting that slide seemed pretty lax considering how unfun and "serious" she seemed . And the whole fight was gloveless Thanos Dominating Iron man Hammer Cap and Thor, regardless of the fact the Tony held his own against an incomplete gauntlet using Thanos. Carol coming in at the last hour to destroy Thanos forcing him to use the power stone against her, something he didn't have to use against Hulk. Carol had no place in this movie and was only there due to contract, and if you seriously think the only criticisms of her are misogynistic is just sad

>Spider-man
>A wannabe hero
This is why I hate you Carolfags, you ignore comics for years but get all uppity when your movie almost ruins everything

I think it's stupid to try and explain things that weren't explained on screen, but it's obvious she was much more busy helping thousands of planets in days than in figuring out what was actually going on.

You don't need to use quotation marks, she IS a feminist hero. Did you watch Captain Marvel or just Endgame? Her memory was taken away from her, just like everything she ever was. She's constantly rebulding herself AND helping the universe. The problem y'all don't like her is that she never hits your ridiculous expectations, but the best thing is that she's here to stay, no matter how much hate you aim towars her.

Also, Nebula had the actual time to develop, Carol only had one movie and 10% of Endgame.

>Helping thousands of planets
>doesn't include trying to find the person who forcibly wiped out half the populations of a lot of them

What the fuck was she doing just emasculating every other planet not attacked by Thanos?

Not him but a wannabe hero IN THE MOVIES

IN
THE
MOVIES

Stop conflating comics with the movies, they're not the same characters; and furthermore stop using Raimi's movies as the measure of quality for Spider-Man, it's fucking annoying.

Also yeah, the criticisms are pretty much misogynistic judging by this thread alone, just CTRL+F "Captain Fungus" and you'll see it, it's fucking hilarious to pretend otherwise.

The universe is pretty big. Are you seriously complaining that she didn't solve everything by herself?

I think the captain fungus is a pretty funny retort to your constant billion dollar push, as if terrible movies have never made that much money before. I just think Carol was a misstep without rogue and the x-men you can't use one of her strongest comic storylines that justifies a lot of her characterization

>I attack you're favorite character to build my favorite character
>that shit is now offical in the movie
>WAAAAAAAAAH WHY ARE YOU BEING SO MEAN AND ATTACKING POOR POWERFUL CAROL? SHE SO MUCH BETTER THAN EVERYONE DIDN'T YOU SEE THOR SAY HE LIKES HER?

I'm complaing that she seemingly had the power to solve everything by herself the whole time, attacked indignant when less powerful people couldn't and that is baisically the extent of her character. Wanda Nebula Hulk all deserved that last punchem up with Thanos but we needed to see why carol was badass without her having any sort of stake in the fight and never seeing her even struggle while every character got their shit pushed in

and you're right she's nothing like superman, superman has a stake in humanity and is inspiring. Carol has nothing and is demeaning

This thread is more laughing at the irrelevance of Captain Incel's e-peen outrage at Larson's movie succeeding than anything.
Plus the losing side in the Company Wars drifting about in a PTSD-haze angrily shouting at clouds.

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Nigga if you pretend that isn't misogynistic and you actually go out of your way to justify the anti-feminist slant while spending so much time finding flaws about the actress, I got a river to sell you.
>muh rogue, muh x-men
You don't know shit about the character, all you know comes from a cartoon.
And no my dude I am not saying you're being "mean", I'm calling out your hypocrisy because you think-- no, you're CONVINCED I'm stupid.
>I'm complaing that she seemingly had the power to solve everything by herself the whole time
But she didn't, imbecile. The movie shows it, and in fact other people already tried to kill him and failed because it was a battle of wits, not strength. In the end it was Stark who beats him and not using a secret weapon but a fucking sleight of hand to steal the gauntlet off him.
I mean you have to be retarded to think all it took to beat the guy was to be stronger than him, for all that it did for Thor.
>Wanda Nebula Hulk all deserved that last punchem up with Thanos
Wanda did his thing, and Nebula is too fucking weak to do anything against him, so what did she do? She betrayed the guy! And Hulk brought everyone back, so why are you complaining?
>Carol has nothing and is demeaning
And see, this is where I'm forced to say CRY MORE, I didn't even like how she was sidelined in the movie as a fan, but frankly you sound like a fragile motherfucker. "sHe wAs dEmEanInG!"

>superman has a stake in humanity and is inspiring.
Superman stopped signifying those things in movies before you were even born.

All you have is equally impotent rage supporting a non character who was built up to be the superman equivalent while proving none of the things actually important about being superman. You're current fave has the power set personality and ass of a flying brick

I'm not convinced you;re stupid I just know you have bad taste. Taste ad intelligence have little to do with each other and I'm just sad because you've convinced yourself that Carol actually means anything. Like the little Her turning to Hero in her trailer actually meant she was a cultural milestone

Nebula could've destroyed the ship, she was on it and deserved one win but she was undercut by Carol every time

>Like the little Her turning to Hero in her trailer actually meant she was a cultural milestone
>he's still seething over a turn of phrase
Damn.

>All you have is equally impotent rage supporting a non character
Oh btw, Captain Marvel just passed DC's YASS QUEEN on the left this weekend.
She's riding up on Aquachad's China-padded worldwide box office on her inevitable journey to pwn the entire DCEU personally.
Your tears have been delicious, never stop serving them up.

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and all you can do is post numbers

I mean, you said she was going to flop and be forgotten under the rubble of Shazam's sucess, but the opposite happened. You were counting on her flopping and it's why the false rumors about "ghost showings" and self-bought tickets began, because you couldn't cope with the fact that her movie was a success; not only that but still having momentum during Endgame.
So yeah, absolutely, numbers will be posted, because amidst all the crying over "toe fungus" and the like, people still went and see her movie, and the chances of her getting fucked into a coma are very slim now.

Your Fee-fees are intangible and subjective, I can't really measure how asshurt you are, sorry.
Superficially, it seems you are mightily fucking asshurt tho.
Could you show me on one of those emergency room charts?

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I never did I never cared, Hell I knew that carol was going to do better, all I wanted was for the better single movie to do better. Regardless of whatever you have to post with boxoffice numbers or how misogynistic I am or how Butt hurt I am there is no change in what I think. Carol took moments of victoy from characters because the directors were told she had to, if she was entertaining it would be a different story. She seems to only be entertaining for you people because of how smug you seem to be about box office numbers and yet nothing about how her solo movie was good or how she gets a satisfying payoff in endgame set up by her movie. but sure I'm in pain here because of a movie not because I'm always in pain for a reason I'll never know

>Carol took moments of victoy from characters because the directors were told she had to
No she didn't, they all had good parts in it, this isn't Justice League where Superman took the sails out of everyone's winds. She did what she could while EVERYONE ELSE took front and center row. I am not sure which movie you saw where she did everything, but it sure as hell wasn't Endgame.

>She got tony and nebula home rather than us seeing a scene of them fiing the ship
>We saw her destroy the sactuary ship rather than have Nebula, who has been tortured on that ship numerous times destroy it to despite her father
>we saw her tank Thanos rather than see Hulk redeem himself

She was irrelevant to the movie beyond the specific scenes where she saves everyone from a plan she had no part of. If that's not taking victories I don't know what is.

>She was irrelevant to the movie beyond the specific scenes where she saves everyone from a plan she had no part of.
Like when Doctor Strange shows up out of nowhere with entire armies who rallied around them without setup, completely off-screen and unexplained? A real, verifiable deus ex machina?
No wait that wouldn't be convenient, I'm sorry, I'll shut up!

Just got home from it and it really feels like they only introduced her to unfuck the situations left off in IW. Also, the "Lady Avengers" moment was so ham-handed it hurt.

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>not because I'm always in pain for a reason I'll never know

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Fpbp

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I'm ok with a few seconds of ham in a 3 hour epic.
I think you'll be able to walk it off too.

You mean when it was established that he can open portals to anywhere in his own movie? Or how those armies weren't enough and they all still would've lost with out Carol apparently?

>I wanted to add 10 minutes of unneeded searching and then complain carol could have just brought them to earth if she was so OP
>i missed the scene where she did the exact thing in capt marvel to one of ronin's ship forcing him to turn tail
hulk redeemed himself with the ancient one and by doing the initial snap. there'd be complaints of hulk getting too much otherwise.

>Add ten minuets of searching while building character interactions between the two best characters in the movie
>remove the 15 of carol
we come out ahead there

>I’ve seen a couple of other anons say she didn’t really get much of a reaction or excitement form the audience in their respective theatres
I see that too, but both showings I've gone too shes gotten plenty of applause for both her scenes. Idk what these anons are talking about

>You mean when it was established that he can open portals to anywhere in his own movie?
It's not the portal I'm questioning pal, it's the timing. Barely 5mins took place between Hulk's snap and the ambush, yet it was long enough for Doctor Strange to rally thousands of soldiers and to bring every single snapped hero back with him through these portals. If that's not an asspull, I don't know what to tell you... Except wait, you accept this because it was a really cool moment and you like that character more, so questioning it is verboten.
>Or how those armies weren't enough and they all still would've lost with out Carol apparently?
That's not true though?

I know its a joke, all I have to do is wait for my brother wedding later this year and I can off myself. No one will miss me but while I'm here I might as well shit post.

t. woman

YAAASSSS QUEEN

wakandans were dusted on the field in the middle of a battle so It makes sense they'd have something ready. That and we saw all the people from Wundagore teleport in to so it's not unreasonable to think that they were all talking and waiting for something to happen

It was ham handed but it was fine in the long run. carol taking point and belittling peter is what made it cringy. But I think a lot of "women" here think you can only be seen as powerful if you're stepping on someone to build yourself

based and blue-red-golden pilled

>Idk what these anons are talking about
It was the same in my showing, but you know how it is, according to them, everyone has a stick up their asses about Carol and only women and gays like her.

>5 minutes into hulk's snap
did you miss the whole epic battle the happened post attack on the base? or that enough time had passed for thor, cap. and stark to even come up with a plan of attack? heroes popped into existence knowing what had occured for them to dust out and figured there may be a fight.

Unless you're brother plans on killing himself and everyone who cares about you at that wedding, that's a fucking stupid plan.

She got thiccer the last couple years. I wish I was shota in elementary school and she was molesting me every day.

Eh, when you put Pepper, Past!Gamora, and Mantis in there, all of whom have no idea who the fuck anyone else is, it comes off as forced.

He didn't figure out how to travel through time. Hank Pym did. Tony just figured out how to aim it.

A man dies twice, when his body gives out and when his name is forgotten. I've got one down, they'll be fine without me. Besides it's not like I'm gonna do it right after the wedding, I'm depressed not an idiot

Whatever, suicide is for the weak.

Doctor Strange brought way more than just the wakandans, there were spaceships involved too, who also weren't in the Infinity War. Let's not pretend it makes sense because there were people involved in the fact that Strange had no way to know unless he took a long time to gather.
>or that enough time had passed for thor, cap. and stark to even come up with a plan of attack?
It wasn't really that long, though. 10mins, 15mins tops.

you're not wrong there bucko

Strange was on Titan with the Guardians and would've heard about the ravagers from them

>toe-fungus
it doesn't surprise at all me that CM haters are gross foot fetishists. It just goes to show the kind of lowlife that hates her

While not liking a character is fine the majority of obsessive Carol haters come off as extremely mentally ill and either dishonest or delusional. The way the character was used here was just fine. The movie rightly focused on the core, original Avengers. The newer MCU additions had their nice little moments to contribute, as it should be, Carol among them. It was all perfectly fine and inoffensive and such a small part of the movie. It seems deranged to spend all fucking day flipping out about some minor character you have an unhinged fixation on.

only way Yea Forums would be happy is if she died or was not in the movie at all, so Yea Forums will never be happy with her, so the culture "war" continues

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S E E T H I N G

And who are the Ravagers? A bunch of pirates with allegiance only to themselves. Plothole!

but who probably have some interest in not being one of the 50% being wiped out.

Sorcerers can slow down their time perception.

Hey now, Keanu gets roles for being very nice, agreeable, and kind. He's the opposite of the typical big name asshole, and he just goes with the flow, while also being a pretty, pretty man.
Plus he gives basically most of his money to charities, so you probably feel like a prick when you choose not to hire him.

i saw the movie shes terrible movie was passable because of Sam Jackson

proff i saw it she has a flash back in the bar and sees her self playing street fighter (the only part that got me excited because i love street fighter) also breaks into radio shack to build a communicator to reach her team.

>if she died or was not in the movie at all
Yes, can we investigate one or both of these options going forward, Disney?

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It was wrong to push her in the end of the 3rd phase of the MCU and not afterwards. Not only was her movie mediocre at best (watched it yesterday), by pushing her too early they had to change the Skrulls into something different than they are because in the time the movie was made Disney/Marvel didn't have the full rights of the Skrulls and it wasn't 100% certain if they would get it.
Yeah they got over a billion for it but only because of the whole lie that she will have an improtant role in Endgame and people were hyped for the final.
I'm sure if they were a bit more patient Captain Marvel actually could've been a great movie as the start of a new phase of the MCU.
Carol Danvers wasn't as shit as everyone was claiming here but she is nothing special outside her powers (she is basically the space stone as a person).
Well we'll see what happens with all the MCU movies after Endgame.

The daughter of Carol Danvers best friend is an adult now and was the first female CM im the comics. Does Disney uses keeps her as a plan B if a new Captain Marvel after Endgame won't be as succesfull as the first one or when Brie gets too annoying?

I might hate Captain Marvel less as a character if she were brought in after Endgame to kick off the "cosmic saga" whatever bullshit Disney has planned going forwards. She could have been a good central character. Nothing I can do about hating Brie Larson's ugly manface, though, she'd have to be recast.

I would've seen the movie if she were brought in after endgame. But it probably wouldn't have made a billion so they made the right business decision just not the right thematic decision

Repulsive feet are on the same level as unwiped ass to me.

>t. foot fetishist

The tumblr invasion is real

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>hope something doesn't happen
>it doesn't happen
>shitpost happily about it not happening
I'm not sure what your fuckin problem is, are you on your period?

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Is it me, or do her eyes always make her look like she's crazy? There's just always opened so wide.

Was legitimately surprised she wasn't the Mary Sue I thought she would be, and that's good. The whole "girl power" scene was a little cringe to me though, only because it was so damn obvious what they were going for it felt like they were beating you over the head with it.

I still don't get the massive blow back against the girl power scene, I've been the most vocal dude recently about his distaste for Carol and I was fine with the display, sure they could've done something more toned down and closer to the original line up scene but they did it fine considering none of those characters ever interacted before

>I still don't get the massive blow back against the girl power scene
there really isn't one

>I've been the most vocal dude recently about his distaste for Carol
I'm sure you feel really proud about it.

I dunno i was googlin some stuff for endgame and there are a small amount of articles with people bitchin about it. I only glanced at one but since we're not even through the weekend I wonder if there will be more

can anyone have pride for being here? I'm just being honest

Nah, you're just a humongous retard.

>can't read
People were here expecting her to one-shot Thanos and get the glory, now there's people who are whining because it didn't happen. Not that difficult to comprehend.

Not him, but stop embarrassing yourself carol fag.

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dilate.

>not him but
No, it's definitely you.

Thor could have done either. He can open bifrost portals at will, he could have rescued Tony right on Titan. And we don't really have an upper limit on Stormbreaker established, so him wrecking Thanos's ship wouldn't be a shock. Maybe have it take a bit longer, maybe have Rocket go with him and tell him where the power core is or something.

I completely forgot that storm breaker could open the bifrost, jesus it looks like the writers forgot that as well

I'm definitely me, but I wasn't him.

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Who are you, then?

>Thor could have done either.
But he didn't, cope with that fact and move on. Alternatively, keep bitching, because we both know you have nothing better going on in your life.

>I'm the end

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this

and thats good

It was weird the way they wrote her out of the movie. Just something about other planets and she's gone. They should've just waited to introduce her in the next phase. They blew their load too early because they wanted their Wonder Woma

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I'm me, obviously.

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Honestly I was surprised how small a role she had. When they tried to downplay her role before the movie came it was an understatement. Had a cool scene though.

My theater cheered during her comeback and the ladies lineup

>the ladies lineup
This unironically had some of the loudest cheers, which kept increasing as more women joined the group. It was fun, only Yea Forums killjoys would have an issue with it.

>she is absurdly OP without 'earning' it
She really is Superman.

Shes like a blander version of the snyder superman.

Nah she's better. She's not a Randian bitch.

You're right she's just a corporate bitch instead
youtube.com/watch?v=F6d-LqmvLsA

Can't hear you over the DOLLA DOLLA DOLLA, beyotch.

lol what the hell is this

Brei? Everything alright? Do you have anything to say about that flat ass performance? Cumberbatch had a pretty bad performance in his solo movie as well but he worked well in an ensemble, you just dragged everyone down around you

A lot of characters who weren't strictly necessary, but you won't see anyone calling for them to be cut.

>muh flat ass, muh fungus, mimimimimimi
This is you seething over ONE BRIELLION

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I don't have that kind of investment into miss marvel. No one does, its why she needs so many pushes and corporate mandates to keep any solo going. Call me when you top those transformers movies at the box office, truly only real art can make that kind of money

>I don't have that kind of investment into miss marvel
It's Ms., casual.
And if you did, you wouldn't be so angry all the time. Loosen up a bit.

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>all these Carolfags damage controlling and gas lighting as if we'll all just forget the bragging and boosting about how important she would be in Endgame
lmao

>all these carolhaters pretending they weren't making hundreds of posts about how she'd defeat Thanos singlehandedly as falseflags now turning around to pretend it was always part of the plan
Mighty laughs

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Sigh I remember when people liked these books because they liked the books. not because it became chique or to follow a trend with normies. But alright clench onto that money and wonder if this will be the run where she can finally over take Alf in terms of issues in a single volume

Male tears is slang for seaman. haven't we been over this?

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Idris always had to know where Thor was before he could bring him home. Tony was literally ~somewhere~ in space. It wasn't gunna happen.

I would love all that.
thanos is based and see hin go was sad

Kek can you imagine the ass damage if that had happened?

We just need to see what happen in her sequel.
if it flops or be a sucess that will end the discusson.I wonder if the losing side will admit...

I doubt any marvel movie will flop for a while, but we'll see if it does the numbers it has so far, I think BP to will do about as well domestically but won't get the support over seas as well where I think no one is excited for captain marvel 2

>Endless complaints pre-release that Carol is for sure gonna be a big deal in Endgame
>Now complaints that Carol has a small part in Endgame
Anons please

>where I think no one is excited for captain marvel 2
no one here*

that ladies lineup though.........

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Came here to post this.

>saves the universe like three times
>irrelevant

Did incels even watch the movie?

I don't know after BP came out there was endless gushing over killmonger and the atheistic of Wakanda and even BP himself. Only thing I have ever heard about CM is the cat

>Only thing I have ever heard about CM is the cat
Memesters like you who only saw the trailer who think the cat actually had anything special beyond what the influencers were saying.

One of the few times being a normie is beneficial

I mean the most I've seen out of memes are you all bragging about how much money it made not anything about the movie in particular. I know you ruined the Skrulls and Fury which is why they aren't talked about but there had to have been something else. Was this movies box office or "cultural impact" really fueled by just coming out right before the end?

>not anything about the movie in particular.
Because the movie isn't out in digital/bluray, dumbass.

Y'all niggas aren't getting fan art about anything else but carol. Even Antman got some stuff with Wasp and hank pym, you guys just get front shots of carol or "lol so pwned" edits about its box office

The fuck are you talking about?

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please count these 3 times down, there's nothing in endgame other characters couldn't have done in her stead

It's not complaints, it's gloating, you double nigger.

Now I wish we just got a movie about monica.

all that wasted Disney money on pushing her movie. well, at least she will get a couple of oscars and the UN will give her a medal until they find someone with more estrogens.

She has zero (0) stories on her own. She has nothing you can make a narrative with. She's strictly a team player without much else going on. You only want her to stick it to Carol, not because you're an actual fan (of which there's very actual few).

>all that wasted Disney money on pushing her movie.
ONE
N
E
BRILLION

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Man that movie was crazy

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I liked her origin I thought it was clever and brought other characters in well. Sure I won't deny its partially in annoyance at what Carol her fans and her actor has turned her into but it won't change the fact that Monica was the first female captain marvel and it always begs the question whats more progressive to be the 7th of something or the first? Besides its not like carol is balls deep in stories, you have to ignore every story of hers from last century either because its kinda horrifying or you don't have rights to use the characters needed. At least with Monica you don't have the weird baggage. So which captain Marvel movie is going to have her arresting her old friend right in front of her daughter?

>Sure I won't deny its partially in annoyance
fully*
>but it won't change the fact that Monica was the first female captain marvel and it always begs the question whats more progressive to be the 7th of something or the first?
It matters very little, actually.
>At least with Monica you don't have the weird baggage.
Or nothing at all.

I couldn't name a guardians of the galaxy story but Gunn appears to have made something of his own well. Besides isn't carols story in the movie nothing like her actual origin? And they took parts of Marvales original origin(while completely shitting on him) to give to her? So what was to stop them from making some original for Monica? Also captain Marvel two being about her getting impregnated by her future son confirmed

Being the first really does matter and thats why Carol is problematic. The best thing about her movie is that they are setting up for Monica to become Photon.

My biggest issue with her is Why do they keep forcing Carol to be something shes not, why do they keep drastically altering her character and continuity to force this all to fit her.

When Phyla-Vell Is everything they want her to be and is enjoyable. Seriously, why didint they use Phyla in both the comics and the movies. Apparently Phyla-Vell is James Guns favorite comic character too.

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>So what was to stop them from making some original for Monica?
The fact that nobody actually cares about Monica, for starters.
>Also captain Marvel two being about her getting impregnated by her future son confirmed
Is that and the Rogue story all you know about her? Figures, every memester repeats the same shit over and over.
>Being the first really does matter and thats why Carol is problematic. The best thing about her movie is that they are setting up for Monica to become Photon.
Gotta love all these neocon zoomers being progressive when it suits them, lmao!
Phyla-Vell is literally a deviantart-tier character, with a girlfriend's who's also a dragon and a big glowy sword. On top of that she was Captain Marvel for a few issues only just to become a terrible Quasar years later. Get out of here.

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Movie was cool
Captain Marvel a jobber and shit
Rip Tony and Nat

Special shout out to the mexican autist nigger who under no circumstance would shut the fuck up and would screech every time someone so much as moved, I hope someone kicks you in the balls

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No

She had a decent run in with the brood but you'd want the x-men to establish them first and at her power level I'd be surprise something like that could hurt her. You could try a team up with jess but sony holds the rights, biggest things I know (like most people about her) is that shes a cop with a desperate need to feel accepted because she is afraid of being forgotten. Her run in the mid 00s was alright but from my understanding it was the only time anyone ever tried to give her her own rouges gallery everything until then was just left overs from cosmic marvel or the x-men

Yeah thor couldn't do shit against base form thanos with two hammers, carol tanked him with full gauntlet on, because thats the kinda character wank she needs to be seen as "interesting'

No that was ant man and tony, who took the shit and die

You fucked up already by not mentioning cap, you are now void

>scientist chooses him as lab rat for potentially lethal experiment
>it gives him superhuman abilities
>this is working for his powers according to Yea Forumsmblr

Put me in the screencap pls.

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>Phyla-Vell is literally a deviantart-tier character
Yet shes more consistent and enjoyable then the modern Carol.
Evoking more genuine emotion with her "lesbian space dragon girlfriend" Then Carol does with almost anyone since 2010

Carol was a fantastic character! Strong, Flawed and so very compelling But now...
Fuck, Carol is basically Deviant art tier now if anyone is.
her series was canceled due to lack of sales seven times since 2012 when she took up the mantle and Marvel keeps trying to force it back despite there being clear problems with the character and how there trying to sell her.

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All Phyla-Vell has is a cool suit. She's literally the Cosmic Ghost Rider of the 00's.

damn that's nice

>no helicarrier taking on thanos' ship

And Carol has nothing anymore but a corporate mandate shes practically just Admiral Holdo but more incompetent and obnoxious. I understand not a lot of her development was well received but she had a strong personality that worked well on her own or in a group and they've stripped her of everything to make her into this bland nothing I saw in endgame

>And Carol has nothing anymore but a corporate mandate shes practically just Admiral Holdo but more incompetent and obnoxious.
Further proof of what you said , just more Yea Forums refugees stirring up shit on Yea Forums. Nothing else to it.

Saves Stark and blue lady
Destroyed Sanctuary 2
Stops snap
Helps Spider-Man and smash parts of Thanos' army

What? Refugees, tumblrites? I thought we were all just a bunch of fat assholes talking about a movie, and I compared it to another movie owned by the company. You could also flip it and say of course the mindless corporate drones who loved the last jedi would blindly defend another Disney misstep? But I'm assuming you'd just call me a Russian bot at that point

>blue lady
Bitches name was Nebula and she was the best character in the movie,who carol usurped her chance to be the hero twice

Still totally and inherently unlikable. When she's fighting Thanos and you see her face you want her to be thwomped.

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You are just fat tossers

>I thought we were all just a bunch of fat assholes talking about a movie
I'm not fat, I'm slender
>I compared it to another movie owned by the company
Didn't know Marvel Studios owned Star Wars, I thought that was Lucasfilm.

Furthermore, SW discussion in particular should be taken to it doesn't belong here. Go make yourself useful and troll elsewhere.

Whose the plural? I won't deny my heavy set nature if you won't deny yours

I just forget her name, settle down.
Subjective

I'm not fat anymore...

Could you do me a solid and just stop pretending you like comic books? Those carol threads were fine before they became hijacked by corporate shitters blindly praising everything the character has done post acquisition while belittling anyone who liked her before that. But sure attack my weight attack the other characters in the movie because YAAAAAS QWEEN showed them up just don't think that I don't see how owned you really are

>Could you do me a solid and just stop pretending you like comic books?
I got a shelf full of them, funny you should mention it. The last time I tried to compare it with someone in here, they chickened out and started posting bullshit from google, because they couldn't admit they were, at best, pirates.
Sorry that I am telling you crossboarders to fuck off back to where you belong. There's a good reason why SW threads were banned from this board.

I don't like the state of that ellipsis user you're fucking beautiful regardless of your taste in comics

I don't belong anywhere, its why I'm here. just another anonymous monster hoping to see some good shit posts or read a comic or two i haven't seen before.

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I’ve got one more picture

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>no timestamp

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How petty do you think I am?

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Not pictured about 6 long boxes of floppies the entirety of trigun and dragon ball and my self respect

and transmetropolitain, what was I doing with this again?

I showed you mine now lets see yours

Any one else notice Captain Marvel's introduction breaks the unwritten rule of super hero introductions? "When super heroes first meet they fight each other" Almost every crossover cape comic, tv show, and movie does this, hell every Avengers movie but End game does this. But they skip this tradition for captain marvel. And I think we all know it's because they knew audiences would hate seeing a one sided thrashing of the old guard and they couldn't have they're precious pet project tie against the phase 1 crew. So she just shows up saves everyone and everyone likes her.

Literally everyone would have fucking hated her

No one is saying anything, did I make a stnank? Am I a pleb with my taste in books? is my "best of" shelf where I put the books I read most often or will lend out to people who want to read something

I didn't watch CM so I felt they used her like a deus ex machina:
>comes just to save Tony then fucks away with a really filmsy excuse and only comes back turn the tide of the battle before she gets put in the sidelines again.
I was also baffled at how they didn't bother at all to explain who she was or how she got there.

They shot Endgame before Captain Marvel so nobody knew yet.