That thing at the end

Falcon already uses his wings to become bulletproof. In fact, it's better because the wings cover his whole body. Think it happened in the early bits of Civil War movie?

Not really, the shield is bulletproof and I doubt Falcon will use it the same way Captain will.
He'll probably use it as cover while flying, maybe ride it like a snowboard while his wings propel him

I'll give you that. Cap actually has superpowers to a degree that makes the shield actually useful.

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That sounds...not great.
I thought it'd be symbolic for Bucky to put down his gun and pick up the shield though. He's arguably slightly stronger than Cap because of his arm too which makes him a little more interesting as a successor than Falcon.

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I forgot about that lol
what's even the point of a shield on falcon

Not from a character perspective. Bucky is still an assassin that's killed dozens, if not hundreds of innocent people even if he was mind-controlled. It wouldn't be morally right. Sam on the other hand is a military vet and probably more loyal to Cap than anyone else at that point.

I can understand that. So narratively it makes sense for Sam. But in terms of ability to use the shield, it makes more sense for Bucky I think we can agree on.

It's a symbol, also he's still a soldier in action movie condition, so if he throws the shield it'll hurt, even if he can't throw it hard enough to take someone's head off.

the shield is a symbol

He literally only got it because that was a more recent story in the comics than Bucky Cap.

Bucky Cap is way more popular than Comic Cap Falcon and people attach him to Secret Empire even though Remender started it

I actually liked Bucky Cap during Dark Reign. Did he officially quit the role after the got his arm blasted off during Fear Itself?

he got "killed" in Fear Itself because of the Cap movie and synergy
He went back to being the Winter Soldier

Ah. I don't really remember much about that event except for Tony finally having a drink and making some Asgardian weapons for the Avengers. I remember Spiderman getting some dagger things which I thought was hilarious. I can not for the life of me visualise Spiderman willingly stabbing anything.

Although kill-mode in Endgame was pretty good. He buried himself in corpses

>So how does this make sense? If a normal person throws the shield, won't it do diddly fuck all in comparison to Super Serum Steve?

Steve Rogers is peak human. He's not superhuman. Anyone can wield the shield.

Name one single human in the entire history of humanity that could bicep curl a helicopter in fight.

>Steve Rogers is peak human. He's not superhuman.
Bullshit, his MCU feats consistently put him above peak human, comic Captain America is also superhuman.

Whosoever holds this hammer, if he be worthy, shall possess the power of Thor

Maybe humanity just isn't trying hard enough

>Peak Human
Lmao

True, we are a bunch of lazy asses.

Peak human is a superpower. He's stronger than the world's strongest man. You know how moms can lift a car off their kid if they need to? He's stronger than that all the time. Usain Bolt runs something like 25 mph, Cap can lap him like nothing and has enough stamina to keep that pace longer than 30 seconds. Captain America can fuck longer, harder, and better than any porn star. Captain America more flexible than any yogi, can hold his breath longer than any monk, can take heat better than any firewalker, breather, or fighter, and so forth. He's good enough at physics and trigonometry and compensating for entropy that his shield will always come back, not because it's a boomerang, but because every single throw of his is calculated.

he's peak human as in what we could be as a species, someday
the serum was like concentrated eugenics

>Peak human is a superpower.
No is not, Peak human is possible, it mean the limit of what average humans can do not above the limit. Superpowers are impossible to any normal(real)human.
>You know how moms can lift a car off their kid if they need to?
First of, those cases are all anedoctal, second this does not explain him doing those feats, even the strongest man who ever lived on earth would not be able to even make flinch the people Steve hurt eve in "hysterical strenght" cases.

Hysterical strength is a rare, but documented, phenomenon. It has to do with overriding the Golgi Tendon Organs and accessing more muscle tissue in a single contraction than a person is normally able to.

No you retard, both comic Cap and MCU Cap are 100% at least a dozen times stronger then the strongest human to have ever existed

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Nope. All Mjolnir did was give Thor back his Asgardian powers that was sealed on Mjolnir. Steve didn’t acquire Thor’s physique attributes. The only abilities that Mjolnir granted Steve are lighting powers, return when thrown, and a nigh-indestructible hammer that hits really hard.

And it still doesn't give anyone near the level of strength needed to do the shit that Cap does, like throw a motorcycle so hard that it can smash an armored Humvee apart

Super strength is part of that power set. Thor had the strength of a highly trained mortal in his first movie when he was exiled. If he still had Asgard strength, he would have turned all those shield guys into floating red mist when he was trying to get mjolnir back.

I'm not arguing that dumbshit point. It's clear that Cap is super human. I am merely pointing out that hysterical strength is known and not just something you hear about your cousin's friend's dentist's uncle's dog groomer.

All due respect to Bucky. Stark died instead of Cap so maybe don't make the guy that killed his parents the new Captain America?

you retard

Capt was going senile, he couldn't remember if Bucky was black

Not in the MCU
>comic Captain America is also superhuman.
He explicitly is not, although writers sometimes forget that and let him do shit like punch apart exosuits even though that makes no god damn sense.
>Peak human is a superpower
Except it isn't. Someone got the physical and mental ability of Cap with a proper diet and exercise in 616. It is in no fucking way a superpower.
>the serum was like concentrated eugenics
See above regarding diet and exercise.

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Those abilities were sealed in Mjolnir and returned to Thor the moment he proved to Odin that he is worthy. Thor’s superhuman physical capabilities aren’t granted to the wielder of Mjolnir. Stormbreaker could do everything Mjolnir does with addition to the ability to open a Bifrost. When Thanos wield Stormbreaker and used it against Thor, Thanos didn’t acquire Thor’s strength on top of his own. He was still shown struggling to overpower Thor and cleave him with his own weapon

He's right tho, his feats are just impossible to humans or any ape of this size.

616 isn't 199999

That thing does not obey the laws of physics at all.

You are so certain in your stupidity it is laughable.

Mjolnir is enchanted to grant Thor's powers to whoever wields it. It literally says it on the hammer. Stormbreaker has no such enchantment and therefore does not.

Speaking of shit comic writers forget, Cap has peak human intelligence.

Shit almost never comes up and is never put to good use even though he has a Moon Girl class brain. He could probably have cured cancer and solved world hunger if he weren't punching dudes in a funny suit.

MVP isn’t a super soldier. His physique will deteriorate if he does maintain diet and exercise. His stamina isn’t as great and will tire faster than a legit super soldier. Never mind the fact that MCU Captain America is stronger and faster than 616 Captain America. Regardless of what you think about 616 Captain America, MCU Captain America is a legit superhuman.

one of those is about 616, one of those is about peak human in general, and one of those is responding to someone that's still wrong about 199999 and using a short hand description often applied to the 616 serum which makes no fucking sense for 199999 since that shit's just super juice with little to no explanation of what it is supposed to do (how the fuck would concentrated evolution get you the Red Skull?)

>MVP isn’t a super soldier
He had all the physical and mental abilities of someone that had taken the super soldier serum. That was literally his entire gimmick. Saying "but Cap's better cuz I say so" doesn't change canon
>MCU Captain America is a legit superhuman.
Did not deny that.

But seriously, Cap is the biggest waste of intellect since Sauron, whom, to reiterate, he is smarter than.

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Comic Cap has got into a fist fight that collapsed a entire 2 story apartment building, threw his shield so hard that it cut a tank in half, threw his shield so fast that it caught up to a supersonic missile, smashing trees apart with his bare hands(something that most cars or even trucks can't do) and is fast enough to block bullets after they have been fired.

MCU Cap treats concrete like cheap plastic, bicep curls a helicopter and can throw a motorcycle so hard that it can smash apart an armored Humvee
>Except it isn't. Someone got the physical and mental ability of Cap with a proper diet and exercise in 616. It is in no fucking way a superpower.

Not in the MCU universe. But you see that shit in tons of fictional universes, where "normal humans" can do shit like cut mountains in half due to the power of martial arts or whatever. 2 examples that I can think off the top of my head is Karate Kid from DC, whose only superpower is being really good at Karate but is somehow strong enough to hold his own against Kryptonians or One Piece, where anyone can being a bullet timing concrete smashing badass if they train hard enough.

>He explicitly is not, although writers sometimes forget that and let him do shit like punch apart exosuits even though that makes no god damn sense.

95% of the shit that Cap does is impossible for a goddamned gorilla to replicate, let alone "peak human" strength.

You think Peter is ever gonna look back on that moment and feel? I know Chitauri are pretty much mindless monsters, but the kid is like 15. Killing anything would leave an impression on him.

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people keep saying this but he isn't a tom strong/doc savage adventurer. he's clever but he's got no book learning.

Reed, Tony, and Bruce are all geniuses because that's their brand, Cap has never even bothered going for his associates and you expect him to cure cancer? That nonsense aside, whose to say he'd even bother with biochemistry? He was a cartoonist before going to war. He'd be more Dali than Pasteur.

>Never mind the fact that MCU Captain America is stronger and faster than 616 Captain America.

Are you literally retarded? Here is 616 Cap doing something with a casual tug something that MCU Cap barely managed with all his strength. 616 Cap is also a legit bullet timer, something that MCU Cap isn't even close to

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>people keep saying this but he isn't a tom strong/doc savage adventurer. he's clever but he's got no book learning.
Moon Girl is fucking 9. Cap is turning 99.

Him not having book learning is a fucking choice. The fact remains is he has one of the best brains on the planet and could probably be a contender for Scientist Supreme in no time flat if he just got a library card.

That is nowhere near the same kind of helicopter as the kind movie cap pulled out of the air. Minicopters can weigh less than a fucking motorcycle

Honestly really bothered me. There’s nothing wrong with Falcon. I want them to sell me on Falcon instead of “promoting” him out of his hero identity and into being Captain America. It makes me feel like they don’t care about him as his own character. On the other hand Bucky has no hero alias and is just referred to as Bucky. Giving him the Captain title would fit nicely without sacrificing his identity.

"Peak human" has always been some bullshit, because the supergeniuses and random freaks surpass it all the time. It's just a way of saying the character is tougher than the average person and well-rounded but not really superhuman.

Because literally everyone thought Steve would pass on his shield to his BEST FRIEND if it ever came down to moving on

>supergeniuses
Marvel doesn't really have those outside of shit like cosmic entities. They power creeped natural intelligence too damn high trying to 1up Reed. Remember, "enhanced" and "super" aren't the same thing.

It's not as if the helicopter in Civil war was that much bigger. And the Russos have outright stated that it was at the bare limits of his strength, using the hysterical strength that people were talking about just now. 616 Cap also tears apart large robots made of steel with a single punch, can throw his shield hard enough to reach supersonic speeds, cut through trucks/tanks, can hold up a collapsed building easily dozens of tons and if you really want to go crazy, you can power scale him to the dozens of other super powered villains that he has fought over the years, like Namor, various giant robots etc. And again, 616 Cap 100% has vastly superior speed and durability feats

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MCU Rogers is superhuman. HELICOPTER SCENE.

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He will throw it with the power of blackness.

Bucky's "hero" alias is Winter Soldier. It's not exactly one that lends itself towards being promoted out of into Captain America. Bucky isn't that guy. Maybe he could have been back in the 40s, but everything he's been through has turned him into someone too bitter and gritty to be Captain America, and he knows it. Sam isn't necessarily the worthy successor to Steve in terms of body, but he's the worthy successor in heart.

That's if it even lasts for particularly long, or if Sam takes up the Captain America mantle, which I've heard his actor doesn't want his character to do. It could just be that he stays the Falcon but with the shield in memory of his friend.

why didn't anyone come back at the end when they tried time-zapping Cap back?

Wasn't that a golden opportunity to bring someone back from the past?

>Because literally everyone thought Steve would pass on his shield to his BEST FRIEND if it ever came down to moving on
Bucky has done virtually nothing of note since the Howling Commandos except kill a bunch of people for Hydra, m8.

>616 Cap 100% has vastly superior speed and durability feats
616 humans have vastly superior speed and durability in general. It's a bit of an unfair comparison. MCU humans are as far as anyone can tell equivalent to real world humans. Only an idiot would claim that about 616.

They'll probably do a thing where they sorta trade off turns at wielding the shield. The comics where Bucky was Cap were received pretty well.

Bucky’s first scene in IW was him displeased for having to take back the arm and get in a fight
He wants to stop fighting even more than Steve does, that’s why the shield was given to Sam, because he’s the only one of the three that still wanted to fight criminals, instead of living the life that was taken from him or working in a farm while fucking black pussy

But I seems like in the mcu Bucky’s winter soldier alias has been dropped and was just treated as his villain identity. I can’t argue against the rest of your post though, but I still feel like Bucky makes more sense narratively and thematically.

Oh yeah, let us give the shield to the guy who killed the guy who made the shield
Nice trips btw

>a comic where cap's attempts to get a degree from devry are foiled by zemo blowing up his ISP and keeping him from connecting to the internet

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Why would Cap morally force Bucky to keep fighting if he just wants to chill out for the first time in decades?

I used to think he was peak human too.
But he's not. He's clearly stronger (helicopter scene).
He's clearly faster (First Avenger running faster than cars on the road. Winter Soldier clearly running faster than cars)
People like Widow and Hawkeye are meant to be peak human. There's a power gap between them and Cap.

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I really hope FFH will address some issues from Endgae. The 5 years gap and people returning all of a sudden, for example.
Peter dealing with having died and returned. Some of his friends having aged, etc.