Why is it so much worse than IW

Glad to hear im not the only one.

Dont defend a shit movie because you identify with it. Shill.

>Depowered Hulk, he didnt get his redemption arc after getting btfo by Thanos. Gets a massive surge of gamma rays from the gaunlet and doesnt go super hulk. Stays a massive pussy like he did in IW.
I'm almost positive there's a version of the script where Carol doesn't exist, and instead Bruce goes savage hulk or full worldbreaker with a gamma boost from the gauntlet in that moment. Like, he willingly sacrifices his humanity to save his friends.

Because Yea Forums is being contrarian again.

>carol ex machina
what? she wasn't even very useful save for destroying the ship

How do you have the Hulk in a movie and not let him Hulk out? It was a complaint with IW that ppl let slide becaue they thought it was an endgame build up.

Thanos is a better MC than Tony and Steve

The ship that was about to kill everyone and had spiderman in the fetal position.
Yup. Ex machina.

deus ex machina is something that isn't previously established in the story.

Because IW had more Strange in it

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nice try fucktard but this has Yea Forums written all over it

Carol stronger than thanos with a gaunlet.

This, Doc. Strange is such a good character. I'm hoping he becomes New Iron-Man instead of Captain Thousand Yard Stare. Brie Larson is an absolute void of charisma and would be a death sentence for the MCU.

it was the padded third act of a story. most of it i was wondering what the fuck am I watching.
>Following Rhodey and Nebula around on mission?
>Let's go back to Thor 2?
>Scarlet Witch having dialog.
>That weird girl power bit.

It's literally better.

She did get to put a better showing against Thanos five seconds after Thor and Steve combined fail

She literally isn't, he punched her into another galaxy using just one stone.

Bloated mess.

He doesn't need to become someone else you fag

IW and First Avengers are much better than this movie

I meant as the face/lead figure of the MCU you twat. Marvel right now is trying to make CM what Tony Stark has been over the last decade.

Because you haven't seen the movie yet.

first avengers are kinda boring desu. come to think of it, IW were the first fully enjoyable avengers.

Because where IW offers build-up, endgame offers closure.
And you're the type of autist who can only accept closure if it fits your retarded headcanon.

I think it was really, really good actually.

Why would CM be in charge when Doc Strange could annihilate her

imo IW>Avengers>EG>AOU
They could have cut half an hour of material and lost nothing.

except it wasnt, they're both good, endgame was comfy

Because Thanos wasn't the protagonist.

because doc is more of a "in the shadows" guy than a public face, or at least he should be

I liked it way better
People who like fights will like Infinity War, people who like the characters will like Endgame

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>he's been jokey since Avengers 1.
That's wrong though. He became memelord in Ragnarok.

What are you talking about? The characters were handled better in IW than they were in Endgame. Thor alone was a thousand times better than he was in Endgame.

Yeah, I'm TOTALLY sure they are. EG Thor was the logical progression.

>The characters were handled better in IW
Yeah, Cap having 2 minutes of screentime and Hulk having ED was so great.

>The characters were handled better in IW than they were in Endgame
yeah that really isn't the case
and I liked Thor more in Endgame than in Infinity War

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Ah yes, the logical progression of becoming a complete fucking joke.

Just like Infinity War

This.

Why can't people accept that the MCU will never be full Comic Book lite?

They go for a "relatable" Meta approach , it's why characters like the Celestials and Beyonders would never fit in the MCU , even Adam Warlock would feel out of place

If you want full Unapologetic Comic Book style just watch the DCU

I'm just glad there's a solid jumping off point. This entire MCU experiment got to tell its story and aside from needing to re-cast Banner and Rhodey, they got to the end fairly painless. People can start at Iron Man in Phase One, and marathon all the way up to Endgame and they'll have a complete and mostly consistent story. There was all the chance in the world this could have gone off the rails like with DC.

Sucks for all the people that died before today though. Even Stan Lee didn't get to see the final Avengers film. Oh yeah, and sucks for the Agents of SHIELD guys too I guess. That was a failed experiment.

Yea Forums-contrarianism

>If you want full Unapologetic Comic Book style just watch the DCU

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"MCU movies are just CGIfests that have no character development or emotional weight!"

>endgame comes out, a movie whose whole focus is on character motivations and goals

"its too boring!"

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Alchloholism isnt a good thing user

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People who like dusted characters will like Infinity War*

Ftfy

>If you want full Unapologetic Comic Book style just watch the DCU
So Comic Books are shit?

Consider that the general public believe that platonic ideal for a superhero comic book is a satirical take down of superhero comic book.

Because this shit is for children and you aged a little bit between IW and EG. I'm proud of you.

So we're in agreeance that comics are dogshit.

>agreeance

Maybe you hate comics because you are illiterate.

Yeah, I think I'll get off the ride except for GotG, most of the characters I cared about got a satisfying ending, I'm not that into Captain Marvel, Black Panther and Dr Strange, and I don't really feel like autistically following 20 more cape movies.

>I think I'll get off the ride except for GotG

Same, GotG 3's the only one left I have any interest in and I don't want to get started on another decade of cinematic universes.

I liked it but IW was better. The 2 things that really bother me were Hulk and Thor.

Hulk: No real pay off to his IW characterisation he's just fine now, sorted his problems and basically Banner has erased the Hulks persona. No action at all, not a single punch, doesn't get a rematch with Thanos. His only contribution is snapping his fingers (obviously significant) and stopping Rhodey and Rocket getting squished, neither of which do anything after that point in the story anyway. On top of that Banners characterisation is just annoying to me.

Thor: So for the majority of the film he's a babbling, crybaby, fat joke. I see what there going for, he failed his people when it mattered most and slipped into depression setting up a redemption arc and get a few cheap laughs. The problem is in the climactic battle he doesn't get his redemption, he doesn't get any significant moments to prove his worth he's just there, trying and failing. He's about as vital to the climax as Pepper Potts and less important than Hawkeye. Honestly his biggest contribution to the conflict was bring Mjolnir for Cap to use (who did a much better job with it than Thor) and at that point it was bullshit he could even lift the thing in his mental state.

Cap didn't really do much more than Thor in the final fight

Hawkeye, Iron Man, and Ant-Man were the only characters I got any satisfaction from. Would have got some from Cap if his ending didn't involve even more time bullshit.

Thor become a joke and Strange was gone and those two were literally the best thing of IW.

It was a natural progression for thor to become like that regarding the events in IW, it was either that or suicide

Maybe I'm remembering it wrong but besides Carol and Wanda I'd say Cap was the only one to put Thanos on the back foot even briefly with Thor being basically a punching bag. Cap had 2 amazing moments, probably my favorite in any Avengers movie, lifting the hammer and finally saying the line. Thor got a participation trophy. I'm not saying he should have soloed Thanos or steal Iron Mans moment but he could have done with a big sequence to reaffirm his worthiness. If Carol wasn't there he could have taken down the ship, call in a huge storm on the enemy army or have him take down a few of the Black Order by himself to save insertAvengerhere. Just an exclamation point to his arc, overcoming his slump. As it stands his story was basically fat failure decides to go be a fat failure in space after brief scuffle.

I'll have to rewatch Endgame to see how I really feel about it in comparison to IW and other Marvel movies, but on its own, it was definitely an amazing movie and definitely one of the best Avengers movie. It's between this and IW really.

I think after the setup coming from IW, it more than delivered with the payoff, even if there were a few missed opportunities.

IW was a long movie, but it never really felt like a long movie, since there was constantly a lot of action. Endgame was even longer but it also didn't really feel long either, at least on a first viewing, but this was mostly due to the plot moving along and character moments rather than action (iirc, there wasn't even that much action until the last act of the movie, which was pretty big, long, and substantial, which was the whole point).

IW started, continued and finished strong. Endgame started slow as fuck, slowly picked up speed and finished strong as fuck. Overall, IW is still superior.

I'm assuming they based Hulk's face on a performance by Ruffalo, and Ruffalo's face is always like that through this movie and Infinity War Either because it's his face shape, or because he's not a great actor

this easily

because they remade it with worse characters and used nostalgia for the whole 2nd act

My excitement for (the eventual) Doctor Strange sequel shot through the fucking roof when he fought Thanos in IW. Seeing a whole movie with an even more experienced Doctor Strange is gonna be amazing.

I'm more excited for that than Far From Home or any other MCU movies on the horizon.