ITT: Times when writers accidentally made their unsympathetic villain sympathetic

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How is Merrik not halved from the pec up?

They printed an early draft, here's the corrected version

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REEEEEEEE HOW DARE YOU

>What issue is this?
#3
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>Most of vader's characterization is overly obvious in how sympathetic he's written to be.
Did you even read the comic? He clearly isn't meant to be sympathetic in this issue. The joke is him cold-bloodedly murdering the fuck out of the stupid cunt who got off on how much of a cold-blooded tyrant he is made him sympathetic.

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>this fucking shit every goddamn day

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I think the word you're looking for is relatable. There is nothing sympathetic to what Vader did but you can relate to why he did it.

This is the right answer.

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Thanks

The twitter outrage is so hilarious, you got:
>people complaining that the girl should have been spared by darth vader
>womwn saying this is a personal attack on female fans and white people shouldnt write stories (they are also harrasing the writer)
>"isnt it weird how anakin regained his humanity after seeing his son but he never did after being stalked by a crazy bitch?"

>I think the word you're looking for is relatable. There is nothing sympathetic to what Vader did but you can relate to why he did it.
No.

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Mina did nothing wrong. The tree of Mewman liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of monsters.

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So when does this comic take place? At what point did Vader stop looking like Anakin?

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Not the first time Vader killed a thot.

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The garbage line feels out of place.

Like, yeah. Vader would obviously kill her. But making some snide joke about it feels more like Bitchlo Ren's speed. Vader would just kill her and walk away.

I don't know where you're looking, but that's not the takeaway I've seen.

Most people accept that killing her is in character for Vader, but the author said it's supposed to be a "tragedy". Yet the woman is portrayed as a jacked up crazy bitch the entire time so it feels like some sort of weird joke

But then, it's by the Avengers Arena guy. He's used to making death dumb.

Prequel film Anakin never really made sense as Darth Vader. The original trilogy makes this clear per the way George Lucas felt the need to replace real force ghost Anakin with that much younger prequel film actor. My head canon is that his conflict with Kenobi and his disfigurement and turn to the Dark Side happened when he was an actual adult, not some high school looking kid who couldn't buy a pack of cigarettes without getting carded.

Everyone going this and that about the girl but Vader’s too done with life to even look upset look is the real mvp of the issue

>But making some snide joke about it feels more like Bitchlo Ren's speed
Did you miss his quip in Rogue One?

He wasn't making a joke. He sincerely wanted someone to get that garbage out of his quarters. That was the point. Look at his face when he kills her. He isn't even registering her as an actual person. He's just mildly annoyed at the mess her corpse has made.

>watching new canon

I mean I guess I shouldn't be surprised at them bastardizing everyone, but I'm still disappointed

Him going full Chaotic retard and killing that stormtrooper because he shaw his face was far more outrage worthy than this. Still, if it gets people to see the Nu-canon for the schlock it is, I’m all for it.

She literally tracked trash water into his room

He wanted someone to bring a mop

Red Skull has a point.

>Unironically making him that edgy
That’s actually even more terrible

Kinda looks like Killface.

Not really.

Oh sure, he sounds convincing on the surface, but simehow all of his "solutions" end up with giving him complete, total, and unquestioned control. He just knows what to say to get useful idiots on his side.

Nothing ever satisfies sperges like you.

Veder has literally killed tons children.

If it means he gets rid of the problems he mentions, it's a fair trade.

You'll become a problem once he deems it necessary. That's kind of the point of propaganda. "First they come for..." and all that.

Didn't he destroy a whole planet in his first appearance? Why do fangirls think his heart should have melted from the affections of some thot? He's a mass murderer.

>the author said it's supposed to be a "tragedy". Yet the woman is portrayed as a jacked up crazy bitch the entire time
That's exactly what a tragedy is in the purest sense of the term - A story with an unhappy ending which is in some way the main characters' own doing.

The reader can sympathise with the woman's feelings of loneliness and obsession even if she is unhinged (which she clearly is) but unlike her, we know what kind of person Vader really is and that her delusions are just that from the very beginning. It's a story that was bound to end badly for her and did. I thought it was perfectly fine. Not every story ends fairly or happily and characters don't always get what they want or deserve. I don't understand what some people want from fiction.

Wow, it’s almost like that bit was supposed to portray the cork popping off the emotional bottle in a mental breakdown, and that using that as a basis for a character’s day to day conduct, especially when said character actually has a redemption, makes them look real fucking stupid and uninteresting.

Vader doesn't get redeemed, he gets killed by Anakin.

No, he does have a point.
You may argue about how he is using this facts as means of manipulation. There is no doubt of that, there is no doubt that fascism isn't the way either nor suicide bombing.

But he is right, the migratory crisis is real and not finding solutions to it, is irresponsible.

It's not just fangirls, it's retards like who keep justifying shit like blowing up planets and killing children (as part of intergalactic genocide) as CRAWWWWWWLING IN MY SKIIIIIIIN.

>You'll become a problem once he deems it necessary.
And if he’s not Chaotic retarded, he’ll only deem it necessary if you’re an actual problem
>That's kind of the point of propaganda. "First they come for..." and all that.
Is that your justification for unironically making a slippery slope argument?

I can understand it. She was actively fucking about in his only personal, private space. If anything was going to piss Vader off it'd be this

>And if he’s not Chaotic retarded
>Red Skull
user, I...

He's a dark lord of the sith who kills his own men with little provocation, Vader is straight up evil and to pretend otherwise is retarded.

This, now Doom on the other hand.

Did you mean to link my post that second time or was that a mistake? I never justified Vader's actions.

I really hate these portrayals of vader, as though he's 100% incapable of being talked to or reasoned with when we know that's not the case, even when people insulted him he was cool about it, he only ever killed his own people who couldn't get really important shit done. I remember him being friends with one of the generals even. Where is that depiction?

I meant this post.

>I don't understand what some people want from fiction.
Basically roasties are mad at how the comic portrayed typical female romance fantasies of being dominated by powerful and cruel men a la Fifty Shades of Grey as pathological and reason for seeing their subsequent misfortune as justified.

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>even when people insulted him he was cool about it
Did you miss A New Hope?

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>even when people insulted him he was cool about it
He was 100% cool about this though. It doesn't look like his blood pressure went up even by 1 bpm.

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The doctor her boss is literally trying to keep her and himself alive by telling her not to fuck up.

>roasties
It's hard to take you seriously when you use such juvenile language.

"Rape me, bad boy" is literally toxic femininity

>dude getting rid of a few muzzies that law enforcement can handle is TOTALLY worth living in a fascist dictatorship!

It worries me that you're allowed in polite society.

>He's a dark lord of the sith who kills his own men with little provocation
In original Trilogy and EU he killed officers for absolutely fantastic displays of incompetence and self-interst that damaged the Empire as a whole

In Nu-Canon, he’s a loser that no one respects and lashes out against random grunts for no reason

Trying to pretend that the comics are good is what is retarded.

Yeah, ironically that doctor seems to care about her well being by how much he lectures her about not being a crazy fuckup and by not reporting her or having her killed for stealing Vader's shit, yet her internal monologues reveal she has zero loyalty or affection for the doctor and sees him and everyone else other than Vader as worthless and deserving of exactly the kind of whimsical uncaring murder she ended up experiencing.

>It's hard to take you seriously
Then don't? What gave you the impression anyone was trying to earn your respect here in the first place?

>>dude getting rid of a few muzzies that law enforcement can handle
Because obviously they can handle them, that’s why it needs to be brought up right?
>is TOTALLY worth living in a fascist dictatorship!
If living with people who close their eyes and ears to problems and high horse about it is the alternative, then I’d take it.

That's particularly stupid for two reasons, firstly because the character doesn't know Vader's mind the way the reader does. She imagined him to be a different person to who he really was. Secondly because I don't think anyone believes murdering someone for having a creepy crush on them is "justified". Vader's a villain. His actions aren't meant to be portrayed as "just".

I don't disagree, he acts like a bit of a dick but so do most people in positions of any worth in the Empire, they're afraid for their lives especially when dealing with people like Vader on a day-to-day basis.

>In original Trilogy and EU he killed officers for absolutely fantastic displays of incompetence
He kills an officer for losing Han when Han demonstrated both exceptional ingenuity and suicidal confidence in losing them, after the Officer had personally gone to his ship to apologize for the mistake. He tries to kill another officer for the grave crime of making fun of him, and would've done it had Tarkin not stepped in and told him to stop. The only time he was really justified in executing an officer was the commander overseeing the Hoth invasion because he completely blew the element of surprise.

>In original Trilogy and EU he killed officers for absolutely fantastic displays of incompetence and self-interst that damaged the Empire as a whole
I point to

Yeah and he totally couldn't read her emotions from start. Fucking awful story, Disney is filled with hacks.

If you are going to to prentend that choking him out a little for such pants on head level retardation and disrespect wasn’t extremely chill given the circumstances, you might just be an idiot.

>In original Trilogy and EU he killed officers for absolutely fantastic displays of incompetence and self-interst that damaged the Empire as a whole
>was about to kill a guy just for insulting his religion

I fucking love that look of "so sick of this shit" on his face

>He kills an officer for losing Han when Han demonstrated both exceptional ingenuity and suicidal confidence in losing them, after the Officer had personally gone to his ship to apologize for the mistake. He tries to kill another officer for the grave crime of making fun of him, and would've done it had Tarkin not stepped in and told him to stop. The only time he was really justified in executing an officer was the commander overseeing the Hoth invasion because he completely blew the element of surprise.

Christ you're retarded

He didn't kill that guy, he just choked him a little and let him go. That's fonzie levels of cool considering how it all went down. He didn't even have to listen to the general that told him to let the guy go, he just did it out of respect.

>He didn't kill that guy, he just choked him a little and let him go.
He only lets him go because Tarkin told him to do it, he probably would've killed him otherwise.

Like I said, he didn't even have to listen to Tarken, he just had respect enough for him.

Yes, two times where the killings were either completely unjustified or disproportionate to whatever manner the person slighted Vader, and one where it wasn't. Thank you for greentexting my entire post to reiterate that.

>Like I said, he didn't even have to listen to Tarken
He actually does since Tarkin outranks him.

He had no reason to pay any special attention to her until she showed up in his quarters babbling about how she was in love with him. At which point yeah, he could probably use the force to sense how creepily obsessed she was and decided she was a liability to have around.

Not only that but she saw his fucking face, which is a red line for Vader. I'm pretty sure he wouldn't let anyone who did live regardless of who they were. He doesn't want anyone to know he was Anakin Skywalker and someone THAT obsessed with him would probably find that out and be a danger to him.

>He kills an officer for losing Han when Han demonstrated both exceptional ingenuity and suicidal confidence in losing them, after the Officer had personally gone to his ship to apologize for the mistake.
He literally stopped everything he was doing to got say “hey i lost him” instead of even attempting to continue pursuit, making even more damning that he lost him
>He tries to kill another officer for the grave crime of making fun of him, and would've done it had Tarkin not stepped in and told him to stop.
Insulting your superior in the middle of a meeting is and incredibly idiotic thing to do. Insulting them for believing in space magic when Space magic is demonstrably real is is such a stunning display of idiocy, that it makes one wonder how they put their clothes on in the morning, and having someone that fucking ignorant in an position of power is dangerous no matter the circumstances.

I am genuinely shocked that people actually try to defend That guy as not being an idiot. That is actually more ridiculous than fangirl outrage.

only dumb right wingers can goaded into nazism

1. I was in the middle if trying to post something when autopost fucked me over
2. Both of those are extremely idiotic

>be vader
>have to deal with the bullshit of running a galaxy spanning empire while palpatine is trying to become a level 500 sith wizard on coruscant
>lazy fuck hardly comes out of the temple anymore
>also secretly loathe that dried up piece of bantha carcass but have to wait until it is time to murder him as is the way the sith now works
>be in a specially designed chamber that is one of the few places you can remove bits of your suit without dying soon after
>use this all too uncommon opportunity to reflect on things or focus on a task at hand
>someone all of a sudden enters your room
>it’s that crazy ass nurse lady again
>plagueisgivemestrength.holocron
>why do I even have this person here, I’m a sith lord for fucks sake
>she starts going off about how they’ll be together or some other inane nonsense
>somehow the tales of what you have done did not get through to her
>she tracks garbage into your own space
>absolutelydisgraceful.cheesyromancedatapad
>break out the lightsaber to do one more part into making the empire a better place, as small an action as it may be
>and to also finally get some peace and quiet for once

>was about to kill a guy just for insulting his religion
>just
That's about the greatest insult you can give someone.

>when Space magic is demonstrably real
>believing tall tales about jedi knights

Because i don’t cower in fear over the word Nazi or fascist, of try and utilize age old propaganda in pretending to crusade against propaganda like a massive hypocrite.

They, literally not even three decades earlier just had a war with Space wizards hoping about like Crickets in the night.

>he could probably use the force to sense how creepily obsessed she was
Hell now that I think about it, that might be Vader's biggest reason to kill her. If he could tell that she had collected samples of his fucking blood then well, presumably she or anyone else whose hands those samples might fall into could use them to find out who he was.

>Tarkin outranks him.

I thought only the Emperor outranked him

Tarkin is old drinking buddies with Sheev so he put Tarkin above him.

>This is a Cortosis Blade

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Tarkin was in charge of the Death Star. While he doesn't outrank Vader, Vader respected Tarkin's command of his own station.

Kill yourself numale

No, as in she quite literally just dragged herself out of the fucking garbage compacter to get into his room, his personal meditation room where everything has to be sterile for his wounds. She’s quite literally trekking god knows what in there.

You're probably right. still worth it

>people laughing at dumb fangirls for not understanding Star Wars
>proceed to demonstrate they also don't understand it
I miss the days when Star Wars discussion wasn't full of outraged culture warriors who use it as a proxy

>Yeah and he totally couldn't read her emotions from start.
What? No part of that story involves him being unaware of her emotions. It never even came up because he didn't care about her in the slightest. He would treat her with the same indifference whether he knew she was obsessed with him or not.
>I don't think anyone believes murdering someone for having a creepy crush on them is "justified". Vader's a villain. His actions aren't meant to be portrayed as "just".
It's her misfortune that comes across as justified, not Vader. Think of Vader like a natural disaster, or a zoo animal. It's not that tornadoes or tigers are justified, it's that people who chase tornadoes or get drunk and go inside a tiger pen meet bad ends which are justified.
Or to explain it another way, the point is pic related. Women getting hot and bothered over the idea of being dominated by evil psychopaths and then predictably being harmed by those evil psychopaths. It's somewhat satisfying to see because these women are taking glee in hooking up with a stronger man who will fuck over / murder all the weaker men they look down on only for them to realize that stronger man has contempt for them too and isn't really on their side.

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I think Tarkin was more or less Equal Rank. He was a Grand Moff after all, a title that ridiculous must mean something big.

He doesn't quip during Rogue One, he directly mocks Krennic as he's choking Krennic out for trying to get him involved in the office politics with Tarkin.

Killing Ozzel wasn't justified either, as nothing was stopping the Rebels from raising the shield at any time.

And then you’ll tell us about how the Nazi’s were a totally functional society that wasn’t going to implode socially and economically if WW2 didn’t start when it did.

You mean like New Deal America?

>The "everyone is wrong and I'm so cool and above the fray" meme
Zapp was right, neutrals are the worst.

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I'm genuinely shocked that people are trying to defend Vader as being reasonable when the films repeatedly demonstrated that Vader murdering his own officers for failing him was a bad thing that emphasized how evil he was, lol.

What's going on there? Vader is a deformed cyborg without a functional dick. How does he have a crazy fangirl? NuWars already stretch my suspension of disbelief even for a fairy tale with laser swords and spaceships but this is almost at the same level

Except this isn't centrism, it's pointing out a specific problem

It's the contrarian attitude. SJWs are crying that Vader is unreasonable, so regardless of everything this faggots have to bend over backwards and do mental gymnastics to argue that he's completely reasonable.

Post the second page.

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Shit like this is exactly why Kennedy needs to be fired

New Deal America was actively digging itself a grave economically but the Nazis were fucking up on a whole new scale, they were selling imaginary bonds to people while effectively bankrupt themselves. Their economy was sustained by a literal pyramid scheme.

Got him!

A galaxy spanning war that saw a few thousand Jedi take part primarily as officers leading a bunch of now-dead clones around, and was followed up by a dedicated campaign to erase the memory of the Jedi from the galaxy.

Vader doesn't actually have a rank within the Imperial hierarchy, he's more like Palpatine's personal representative. As such, he technically outranks everyone due to that, but anyone who deals with the Emperor on a personal level is more or less his equal.

>It's her misfortune that comes across as justified
Yeah, by saying Vader's killing of her doesn't come across as justified I was disagreeing with that very point. I don't think the comic portrays her death as justified, and I think both the fangirls who think that was the point of the comic and that's BAD and the people like yourself who think that's the point the comic was making and that's GOOD are wrong. I don't think it was making that point at all, not every story is trying to make a real-world point or have a moral.

>You're not allowed to see the problems with both sides
Or more accurately "You're not allowed to say my side is stupid"

Capitalism destroying a country and it descending into Fascism is a terrible thing to see, its a shame how the socialist movements were destroyed.

Are you new to women? Practically every serial killer and spree shooter has a devoted following of horny fangirls.

Yeah, Vader's stuck in a weird position where he's theoretically the second most powerful person in the Empire but at the same time his authority is entirely dependent on what the Emperor wants him to do. If Sheev tells him he has to take orders from the janitor, Vader's gonna have to take orders from the janitor.

Wrong, white knight numale faggot, the fangirls are demonstrably wrong and fuck you for pulling the "hurr durr both sides!" shit

You realize you are exactly the same as the delusional fangirls for reading in context that isn't there, right?

>when the films repeatedly demonstrated that Vader murdering his own officers for failing him was a bad thing
The Movies can emphasize it as bad, but when the reality of it is that you portray all Imperial Officers as incompetent fuckwits, capital punishments ends up looking reasonable.

>It’s just contrarianism, muh imperial officers are gud boys who dindu nuffin!

>SJWs are crying that Vader is unreasonable, so regardless of everything this faggots have to bend over backwards and do mental gymnastics to argue that he's completely reasonable.
Fucking this. It's ridiculous. Apparently people can no longer distinguish between "action is in-character for Vader and thus makes sense for him to behave this way" and "this action is objectively reasonable and logically sound."

Not him but the context is there and those fangirls aren't delusional. They're upset because the comic is too real and shows the really unflattering truth about the contempt women have for weak men.

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The comic is supposed to be a tragedy. The Nurse is ultimately a delusional, lonely person and her only real crime was falling to a point where she basically had a complete psychotic break and basically surrendered her life in the hope that Vader was what she hoped he would be, which he decidedly was not.

That's ultimately what the point of what the series has been thus far; how other people perceive Vader and the effect that has on their lives. The protagonist of the first issue makes the same mistake by assuming that Vader is a selfless knightly figure who saved his people from a rampaging monster, when really he's just another killer who's only not killing the boy along with everyone else because he's got far more important matters to attend to. The officer in the second issue sees Vader as the stuff of nightmares, basically a boogeyman who will come to kill him the minute he finds out the officer has failed him, and in his desperation to fix his mistake, gets his entire ship killed and the same fate that would of befell him had he not done anything at all. The nurse desperately saw Vader as a kindred spirit, someone who would cart her away from her lonely, mundane life, and ignored the reality that her boss tried to drum in her head (though for selfish reasons, he was ultimately trying to save her life along with his own), until reality put a lightsaber through her chest. Vader's not supposed to be in the right here, if anything, it's supposed to emphasize that he truly has no empathy for anybody, that he's every bit the cold, calculating tool for the Emperor that everyone makes him out to be.

It's depressing to watch these things always follow the same pattern.
>media is released, Anons begin to discuss it based on its artistic and writing merits
>in a matter of hours, SJWs become outraged about it for some made-up political reason
>Anons now think it's BASED solely because of the same political reason the SJWs made up
>media is now impossible to discuss except in the new, politicised context
Also works the other way around, when the SJWs praise something and Anons decide it's now tainted.

>i'm autistic
Ah, got it.

Quality write-up, but I disagree with this:
>her only real crime was falling to a point where she basically had a complete psychotic break and basically surrendered her life in the hope that Vader was what she hoped he would be, which he decidedly was not.
The issue shows multiple times how she takes secret glee in fantasies where Vader hurts and/or murders people on her behalf. She's as bad as Vader, the only difference is she doesn't have the power to actualize her evil. It actually makes her even a little worse than Vader because she's both an evil psychopath and she wants to be a sneaky dependent child about it by submitting to a stronger man and having him hurt people on her behalf.

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>edgy loser Vader was always the canon Vader
>Legends doesn’t exist, we erased it
>only Mouse Wars is true now
Shoo shills shoo,

>She's as bad as Vader, the only difference is she doesn't have the power to actualize her evil.
You're not suggesting thoughtcrime is real, and that someone who has revenge fantasies is on the same level (or worse) as someone who ahs actually murdered children?

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>Legends doesn’t exist, we erased it
Legends established it as well though. It's outright acknowledged in The Thrawn Trilogy that half the reason why Thrawn was able to command so much respect from his officers was that he forgave mistakes and rewarded ingenuity, whereas Vader basically intimidated his officers in to falling in line and killed anyone who failed him at anything. The only time Thrawn even kills any of his own men was when a Lieutenant tried to cover up his mistake and pin the blame on another officer.

>The issue shows multiple times how she takes secret glee in fantasies where Vader hurts and/or murders people on her behalf.
But those are just that; fantasies, and all her fantasies of violence are directed at her boss, who constantly belittles her. Fantasizing about hurting her boss for constantly putting her down makes her pathetic, but not really a bad person, and again the tragedy is that she doesn't recognize that her boss is really trying to save her life (though again, for selfish reasons).

I'm not suggesting someone should be legally punished for thoughtcrime. What I'm suggesting is if you desire to harm and murder others like an actual psychopathic serial killer and the only thing making you not a killer isn't morality but instead a lack of power, then you're just as bad as the actualized killer.

Are there any other comics that are similar?

>all her fantasies of violence are directed at her boss, who constantly belittles her
Her boss is clearly trying to keep her alive. That "belittling" shows how unlike her, he actually cares about other people. He could've easily just had her fired or even executed at different points in the story, but instead he kept on yelling at her and trying to keep her from getting herself killed.

The art is this comic is legitimately terrible. I'm usually not a stickler for that, but holy fuck is it bad.

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It's mostly just that girl's face, and it seems intentional since she has a normal looking face in her fantasizing scenes. I think in real life she would be like one of those fetal alcohol syndrome or other similarly deformed people.

I think far apart eyes look cute on 2D girls, not 3D though.

I don't know, it kinda sells "fucked up bitch" pretty well.

>she has a normal looking face in her fantasizing scenes

Look at him. That's the look of a man who is 150% out of fucks to give.

It's all relative, but this to me:
Or the fantasy part of this looks way less screwed up and crazy compared to the non-fantasy part of this:
My headcanon is she has some sort of retardation / deformity thing going on and she sees herself as a non-deformed desirable romantic interest in her fantasies.

Sorry, meant this for the first link:

It's just inconsistency in the art. The ending scene has her look "normal." As in insane but not deformed.

Seeing as Jedi are supposed to avoid killing unless it's necessary...why is a lightsaber (incapable of doing anything other than killing or maiming) their only weapon?

Also, why didn't Satine switch the blaster pistol to stun?

>People got riled up by this
hahaha what the fuck?

The fantasy sequences look okay, but I just skimmed through to check and ALL of the human faces outside of that look terrible. As a whole the art just looks embarrassingly amateurish. The scenario is dumb, but the way it's actually written is fine. I just really hate this art and see no reason it couldn't have been much better.

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She doesn't realize she's crazy, so her fantasies don't involve crazy facial expressions.

>a lightsaber (incapable of doing anything other than killing or maiming)
They used them to deflect blaster shots a number of times. Also they had kinetic force powers for nonlethal attacking, so it's not like they needed to carry a taser and a nightstick like a real life cop.

Jedis fighting style is based on disarming their opponents and deflecting their attacks, however, their weapon allows them to go full killerd mode if neccesary.

Before the mousewars it was canon that the swing that Kenobi used on Anakin in mustafar was actually a forbidden jedi techniche since it was purely designed to fuck up your opponent.

Why did he do it?

>Taking a pointless Star Wars comic and generating all this worthless discussion that will amount to nothing.
Wow, truly I should choose a side for this. It's a mediocre comic made to appease people who can't get enough of Star Wars.

Also I forgot to mention this a minute ago but this is a universe with all sorts of robots and mechas roaming around, and at least with the ones that don't display self-awareness it wouldn't really count as killing to slice them up with a light saber.

Try reading the thread. Or better, the comic itself

So that when they have to kill, they can make it as quick as possible.

>literally arguing that some people shouldn't be allowed to address certain topics
How do they not understand that the message 'having power fantasies is bad', but 'acting upon them with a known killer is bad.'
>tfw your grumpy old boss is trying to save your lives using patriarchal logic and not feeding your unhealthy obsession

>mfw these are the same people who criticize sexy portrayals of women in comics, even though that plays into the male power fantasy

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If you don't see any reason to care about it why are you even bothering to make posts in this thread? That's part of what's obnoxious with "everyone's wrong" posters. You aren't really communicating anything except that you're so clever for taking a third option and calling everyone wrong.

Wasn't she supposed to get killed in that scene?

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>But then, it's by the Avengers Arena guy.
Thanks for warning me its garbage user.

i mean, you're not wrong.
I remember when that came out and everyone was amazed marvel was dumb enough to pull that shit. it's funny how as the years have passed a growing segment of the population has only embraced what marvel was trying to shit on.

>Did you even read the comic? He clearly isn't meant to be sympathetic in this issue. The joke is him cold-bloodedly murdering the fuck out of the stupid cunt who got off on how much of a cold-blooded tyrant he is made him sympathetic.
idk, i find all of that highly sympathetic in a character. i can completely sympathize with him and would likely do the same.

I love that Palpatine is infinitely more personable than Vader. If this had been Sheev there would have only been maybe a 30% chance he would have killed her outright.

C'mon, You've been warned user.

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I had to do it.

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Sheev would probably have packed her off to the far reaches of the galaxy to work for some officer he knows is an abusive rapist, then had the odd chuckle thinking about her from time to time.

>but simehow all of his "solutions" end up with giving him complete, total, and unquestioned control.
yeah, but too be fair...that's about what it would take.
the current president got elected on a platform of dealing with the immigration issue. yet, at every turn, any and all of his plans have been cockblocked by his opponents for no reason other than political bickering and pure ideological contrarianism. same over in europe. it's been shown time and again that in a democratic, or even republican, system of government, that criseses cannot be handled in a swift, timely, and effective manner. only complete, dictatorial power that cannot be questioned or stopped, only obeyed can handle such a crisis. this has been known since ancient rome and ancient greece.

To be fair, Palpatine's the one who ordered Vader's suit to have that one gizmo that just beeped at random intervals, clearly he's sabotaging the guy so he won't become as charming as him.

is it generation after generation of rape that made women this way? it world do they think they can take someone like Vader and make him happy with their "love"?

Hey, a broken clock is right twice a day even it it's trying it's damnedest to be a calendar instead.

These people should look up Admiral Piett's backstory for how hard the man tried to avoid being under Vader's command, but fucked up because he couldnt resist fucking over Ozzel.

>"First they come for..." and all that.
yeah, except for what the red skull would come for. it reminds me of that joke from the boondock saints.
>you mean to tell me all the N*ggers and Sp*cs are gone? All have a coke then.
if you're living in a communist society, sure, the list is ever long and ever growing. but outside of that, the list can end up being rather short.

I dunno, he seemed more terrified that she'd screw something up that he'd have to take the flack for rather than being genuinely concerned for her safety

>dude getting rid of a few muzzies that law enforcement can handle
except time and time again, across the usa and europe, it's been proven that law enforcement either CAN'T or WON'T handle them. a million underaged girls repeatedly gangraped in england alone bears your statement as false witness
> is TOTALLY worth living in a fascist dictatorship!
if my options are a) live in a fascist dictatorship or b) live with millions of people being raped, assaulted, and murdered by crazy 3rd world fanatics, i'm choosing A. especially since, for all purposes, my government is already a fascist spying police state. I would like to be the one getting something out of it rather than being the metaphorical and literal punching bag.

>the current president got elected on a platform of dealing with the immigration issue. yet, at every turn, any and all of his plans have been cockblocked by his opponents for no reason other than political bickering and pure ideological contrarianism
He had control of all three branches of government for two years and still didn't get shit done.

Nah, the man's just a shitty writer. I cant remember any good stiries hes written.

Complete, dictatorial power that cannot be questioned or stopped has also repeatedly been shown unable to handle a crisis in a swift, timely, and effective manner.

>unironic "w-well maybe fascism is actually good!"

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not to mention potentially making clones of him.

>And don't call me Puddin'...

>the day fascism is seen as a positive thing

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it comes from the olden days when picking the biggest, roughest caveman and letting him lay claim over you meant you would be protected from all the other men.

So it's like that movie Misery except James Caan killed Kathy Bates in the past future before the hobbling and also it was a book first I know that.

>tfw no girl will try to fix my bitter life with her love

Become a serial killer user, they might do then.

They should not be allowed within a single mile of any fandom.

no, he had control of the executive branch, his party had control of the congress, and supposedly his side had nominal control over the supreme court. however not all of his party was loyal to him in congress (a number were actually his enemies) and the judicial system had been/is stacked with progressive judges under the obama admin. So you'd have some random judge off in hawaii cock block the "muslim ban" despite the fact hawaii was never going to see a single one of those people. Or what was it, one of the immigration things where some fuck off judge in california cock blocked that. still wrecked all his plans for years as they try to get it to the SC to try and over rule it.
well, at this point, it can't be that much worse now can it? i mean, we're already living in societies filled with violence, rape, and murder, so what's the difference if the government's doing it as opposed to some thirsty 3rd world fanatic pissed off because you won't be his slave?

She was no Harleen. Harley Quinn is a good person who under circumstances has done some bad things but she actively tries to be a better person. This girl was just batshit crazy.

have sex

>Sheev hears about this
>orders the body to be sent to Coruscant

>months later Vader returns to his castle on Mustafar after a long week in the Outer Rim
>suddenly there's an entire staff of nurse clones there
>one of them giddily hands him a note as she struggles to contain her delight at being in his presence
>"You've been working hard lately, I thought you could use a bigger staff!

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pretty much this. i never thought i'd live to see the day when fascism might be preferable, but shit's so fucked on so many levels with no hope of any other solution that i can see...

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i could actually see him doing that.

Checks and balances are a thing, user. You should probably have learned this in school.

My man, Vader's favorite pastimes in the original trilogy was putting people down with a snide remark before or shortly after putting the down with a swift gesture, especially when it was most inappropriate since no one could stop him and usually someone had to watch or listen.
>I find your lack of faith disturbing
>I am altering the deal
Remember when he was just waiting at the dining table for Solo and Leia? He had to make sure they saw him chilling, he didn't hide behind the side of the door for an ambush or anything, Vader needs to make sure you and others not even associated with you understand how you've fucked up completely when you cross him remotely.

He won't just kill you, he'll kill the entire spirit of your life being anything but a joke until your humiliating death by him. He's only topped by Sheev who really hams it up when he's ending someone. My boy the Emperor is practically an improv comedian for murder.

So fucking based

>i mean, we're already living in societies filled with violence, rape, and murder, so what's the difference if the government's doing it as opposed to some thirsty 3rd world fanatic pissed off because you won't be his slave?
You know how I can tell you're underage?

>"w-wow I can't believe I now prefer fascism!"
>implying you didn't already

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>Checks and balances are a thing, user. You should probably have learned this in school.
i did.
but there's a difference between "checks and balances" and "i'mma fuck your shit up simply because i gots mine and i ain't letting you fuck up my gravy train, fuck the country and the people who live in it that voted for you. N*gga gots to get paid and I gots mine!"
politicians and judges are (nominally) supposed to serve the people of the country they have power in. not go out of their way to fuck over the people's champion because they actually hate the people who voted for him. And checks and balances mean shit when those very same people ignore said checks and balances when it serves their interest.

No one wants actual fascism, they want a themepark version of fascism that perfectly matches their personal desires.

you know how i can tell you're a boomer?
honestly man, I used to be a libertarian. no joke.

In his defense, the Nazis know all about invading so they can probably see one

Fascism is for fags and LARPers. In reality, you would not want to be anywhere near a fascist government, as much as you want someone to exterminate all these groups you hate I promise you, you would be next on the chopping block for people who get victimized.

You really think some almighty states going to take pity on basement dwellers that don't contribute?

>you know how i can tell you're a boomer?
Do you mean boomer in the traditional sense or boomer in the dumb meme sense?

He's actually quite wrong. The EU Human Rights Charter, ratified over a decade ago by the sovereign head of states, does spell out the duty of taking refugees and asylum seekers. It's actually their duty to take them in.

Wrong. Sovereign nations have a duty to protect their borders. It's only liberals that think we have to allow refugees. The law states that borders are to be protected up to and including lethal force if needed. Given the invading hordes we now have at the southern border I think such action is currently justified.

>you're a kid
>w-well you're an adult!
Wow you showed him

Do you just coast through life imaging that Liberals are at the heart of every concept you don't like?

>In reality, you would not want to be anywhere near a fascist government, as much as you want someone to exterminate all these groups you hate I promise you, you would be next on the chopping block for people who get victimized.
i think you're making a lot of assumptions
>You really think some almighty states going to take pity on basement dwellers that don't contribute?
i mean, i'm dead regardless. i mean, i'm dead by the 3rd worlders because i'm a fucking infedel heretic, or because i'm white. I'm dead because of my health issues. I might die throwing my life on the battlelines. Or i'm dead because i'm undesirable by the fascist government after they've cleaned up the rest of the shit (unless of course a medical solution to my issue is found in which case i could contribute to society again). You're assuming my life means shit and that i want to hold onto it at any cost, but the reality is my life is already forfit, so why should i have an issue with a "fascist government" so long as it creates a safe future for the children of my people who otherwise would be slaughtered or enslaved by people who hate them?
call it a larp or bullshit, or what have you, but there it is. All the hobbies i once cared about like comics have been overrun by fanatical communists who hate people like me, all the housing has been over run by illegal immigrants, and an ever increasing amount of religious fanatics are terrifying nations into additional hellholes like the ones they left, just with colder climates. Any life I might have wanted has long since vanished. I will never sit in the shade of a tree, but however nightmarish the interim, if such a government would plant a tree that would give shade i will never know to a new generation? i think that might be worth it.

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I wish you crazy people put this much effort into seeking help for your mass paranoia.

>does spell out the duty of taking refugees and asylum seekers
i'm pretty sure those refugees give up that right when they turn into a bunch of raping, murdering, terrorizing assholes with no respect for the laws of their host nation.

In a movie that is by far the best of new Star Wars, that terrible pun is the worst moment.

It seems like every single viewpoint you have is based around right-wing talking points that you've never actually verified for yourself.

better to be paranoid than delusional. i wish lazy people like you would put half as much effort getting help for your delusions as you do calling other people crazy and paranoid.

#
There's literally zero laws saying you absolutely cannot let anyone in. It's the opposite. There are entire volumes of laws about who can be let in. And stop calling it an invasion. Germany entering into Poland with an army was an invasion. This is, at worst, a mass economic migration.
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Yeah in a democracy we have something called the rule of law and courts, so that you actually have to prove each person committed a crime first. It'll be a strange world if everyone went to jail because someone raped someone.

>filthy brown people are raping everyone, we must secure the existence of our people and a future for white children!
I mean I knew this was coming but it's still hilarious to see all pretense just kind of drop away

Also you will never have children dude, let's not kid ourselves

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but I don't want to kill anybody and go to prison
but knowing that hypothetically girls could like me feels good

Sheesh where does the Empire get basket case nurses like this? The Emperor Palpatine surgical reconstruction center?

When whole caravans of mass murderers and rapists are slaughtering the border patrol to get into the country, how is that not an invasion? When our people and culture are under threat from foreigners who want to destroy everything we stand for, how is that not an invasion? When your daughters are being raped by Pedro and Ahmed and nobody is stopping them, how is that not an invasion?

>better to be paranoid than delusional
I mean your whole thing is that you've bought into these weird Fox News headlines about the foreign hordes and how your white children are in danger so I'm not sure you have room to talk.

no?
look at comics from 20 years ago vs comics today? what do you see?
look at video games, what do you see?
what happened to the stories, what happened to the costumes, what happened to everything? Compare Ms Marvel from 20 years back to Captain Marvel today. they're supposed to be the same person, but they're polar opposites to each other. Look at DOA across the years.
look at housing prices, what do you see?
look at the violence, terror, and rape happening in europe now vs 20 years ago? vs 40 years ago?
turn on CNN or MSNBC? what are they talking about? who are they blaming?
white dude in New Zealand kills 50 people, what happens? Muslim terrorists kill 800 people in the 30 days leading up to the NZ attack, what happens?
>Yeah in a democracy we have something called the rule of law and courts, so that you actually have to prove each person committed a crime first.
every illegal immigrant has already committed a crime. as for the refugees, in england it was discovered that not only did the authorities know about the grooming gangs, they were getting girls from them in some cases.

>you will never have children
tits or gtfo.

Shev does it on purpose.

I like how you deny it then prove that you're just getting right-wing talking points. You've never experienced any of that for yourself, you're just reading headlines and then getting terrified about whatever white genocide phobia you have.

>he literally fell for the "CNN and MSNBC never report Muslim terrorism!" meme
You really need to step out of /pol/ once in a while

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so...do you actually have trouble breathing because your so retarded? because holy shit are you a retarded faggot. Nothing i listed was a talking point or a "fox headline." i mean, i guess you could just be an underage B& who hasn't read a comic before four years ago, or played a video game on a console older than an xbox one, but holy fucking shit man. go to your doctor and check to see if you're actually retarded. get help.
i never said that. but if you turn on either of those stations you're way more likely to hear about "racist white people" and "toxic masculinity" than anything.

>but if you turn on either of those stations you're way more likely to hear about "racist white people" and "toxic masculinity" than anything.
Or so /pol/ would tell you.

>I never said that
>but by the way let me say that
Yeah okay

So let me see if I get this whole discussion here, this one guy is saying he prefers fascism, knowing full well that he'd suffer greatly under it, because he's terrified of Mexican Muslim Communist Feminists raping him, and also that the white race is under attack and fascism will provide a brighter future for white children but even though he acknowledges that he would suffer under fascism he thinks the next generation of white children somehow wouldn't? Do I have that right?

>"toxic masculinity" than anything.
Don't tell me you were triggered by that Gillette ad too

no. i did think it was petty and stupid though. literally nothing about it made me think "hmmm, you know what would be good for shaving? gillette."
no.
i'm saying i potentially prefer fascism over the "mexican muslim communits feminazis" raping literally everyone else, because fascism potentially offers a slightly higher percentage that the people said MMCFs hate of surviving and potentially prospering in a few centuries as opposed to being enslaved or extinct. mostly because i'm dead anyways regardless of who wins or loses.

I think you're really getting your right wing diatribes mixed up here. The refugees are terrorists, sodomizers and rapists, remember? They're invading and replacing the foreign culture. But the spics bring drugs and crime, and they take your jobs.

An asylum seeker is a refugee and has to be rescued only if they're facing personal persecution and fear of death due to their ethnicity, faith, or something else. If their life isn't under threat, they're just economical migrants and they don't require saving. Most of the people seeking asylum are those, and they're abusing the process.
Also, these treaties mention that criminal asylum seekers don't need to be taken in, and that matters of national security are a valid reason for denying asylum.
Post-WWII treaties also agree that sending large masses of foreign civilians into a location against the will of its native population is a war crime, but people conveniently tend to forget that.

Nazism destroyed Europe. He has a point, but his solution is not the right one.

technically it was communism and the british leveling literally anything they could with bombs that destroyed europe. ironically enough almost everything was standing undamaged when hitler invaded everything.

Every fucking time

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>and they're abusing the process.
This is true but that's why the process is there in the first place. This is why they have asylum hearings to determine if they have a reasonable claim.

>no. i did think it was petty and stupid though.
So you got triggered, got it.

>This is why they have asylum hearings to determine if they have a reasonable claim.
except when you have hundreds of thousands, if not millions, pouring in at the same time you cannot reasonably hold hearings for all those people. which means you either let them in without the hearing, or you try to localize them in one place and those under false claim are free to do what harm they will.
>thinking something is petty is getting triggered.
wow, you must spend your entire life in a state of triggered then. what's it like to be so emotionally high strung you can't even find something pointless without going into a frothing rage?

>a slightly higher percentage that the people said MMCFs hate of surviving and potentially prospering in a few centuries as opposed to being enslaved or extinct
You're not fooling anyone, dude. Just say white people.

>technically it was communism
And WHO let the communists invade half of Europe ? WHO allied with said communists to invade Poland and start the war in the first place ? A war nazis pathetically lost in a scale of barbarism so intense it destroyed everything Europe had built the century before.

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>so this is all about white genocide right?
>no no, it's about white genocide
I don't even know what the fuck anymore

>you must spend your entire life in a state of triggered then
That would make two of us

Wrong, liberal

>And WHO let the communists invade half of Europe ?
technically the allies. I mean, sure, Hitler allied with them to split poland, but lets be honest here it was the brits and the americans who let them go way, way, way past that and take half of europe.
>this is about one dude thinking wytppl won't suffer under fascism?
>no, this is about one dude thinking wytppl will suffer under fascism, but they might survive to a better day as opposed to slavery and extinction without it.
clearer?
you suffer from a split personality? i'm sorry man. i think there's meds for that.

>technically the allies. I mean, sure, Hitler allied with them to split poland, but lets be honest here it was the brits and the americans who let them go way, way, way past that and take half of europe.
Gee. I wonder why.

>clearer?
It was already clear. It's about white genocide. You're paranoid about white genocide. You're afraid for the continued existence of the white race. Yes, we know this despite all of your awkward attempts to dance around the subject.

No, an asylum seeker is someone applying for asylum for refugee status. Legally they're under the same category but in normal conversations the term asylum tends to refer to those facing prosecution for their personal beliefs while refugee is someone fleeing a warzone. The EUHRC covers both.

In the context of the European refugee crisis, there's very strong prima facie evidence that they're fleeing from the Syrian warzone and to a lesser extent Yemen and Iraq, which legally means they should be allowed in while their refugee status is examined. It's politicial suicide, but the duty of said nations as ratified in the Charter. And yes, it is true that some of them are economic migrants, but legally they need to be examined on a case by case basis, and not a blanket judgment on tens of thousands.

Yes, population replacement is a war crime and even genocide. But no one is committing it here. The Syrian government isn't intentionally sending the refugees to Europe, and even if it did, the refugees themselves are not guilty. This crime meant in the context of shifting populations within your state's control of invaded territories to overwhelm natives. And even if there were a state organizing it, the 80 to 1 native population to refugee ratio would mean its never going to legally be ruled as a war crime. You at least need a 1:1 ratio to try and overwhelm a population.

Wrong.

A counter argument is that Assad is intentionally acting to send refugees outside his country as a form of both ethnic cleansing (Kurds) or demographic shifting (Assad's support and areas of control are primarily Alawite as opposed to Syria's majority population of Sunnis).

I came into this thread thinking "Ha, I'll get to laugh at the idiots on the left who think this comic is somehow woman hating." Instead, right wing faggots are literally arguing for fascism. The fucking state of Yea Forums.

>wrong
Wrong
True. But I doubt he's ever going to get pegged for that because he's done enough shit to be labeled as a war criminal as it is, so it's a bit redudant

>You at least need a 1:1 ratio to try and overwhelm a population.
Have you even seen a European school recently? Heard what languages kids speak in school halls? It doesn't matter if a country has a massive population of elderly people, the only thing that matters is the number of people who are of breeding age or younger. And that population group is being overwhelmed. It's not done in the way the international treaties discuss; at the time they were written, nobody could even imagine the concept of a government deliberately importing foreign populations to the extent that it's causing an ethnic shift on its own soil and against its own people. So what's happening is not against the letter of the law, but it's still against the spirit of it.

But wouldn't that still mean he's trying to affect Syria's population rather than intentionally trying to disrupt the populations of the countries where those refugees are headed?

So what's this thot's name?

I fucking love this comic, I even made a banner from it

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>Red Skull says to brush your teeth to prevent cavities
>"UHM NO SWEATY RED SKULL SAID IT SO IT'S CLEARLY FALSE"
That post is cringy as hell.

Not bad, but I think just the VHMMM sound effect of the saber would work better beside him as an in-joke to anyone who knows the context of becoming silently fed up with something.

>post actually states why it disagrees
>still try to paint it as contrarian for the sake of contrarian
Someone's triggered

Certainly not as much as you, who screencaps their own shitposts.

>he called me on my bullshit, better accuse him of samefagging!

She is actually pretty cute in her fantasies.
>tfw when not Sith gf

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Your argument is literally "BUT RED SKULL BAD", instead of addressing any of his actual points.
And it would be one thing to merely make one retarded post, but for some reason that defies all rational explanation, you consider your ad-hominem non-argument to be somehow so profound that you felt the need to screen cap it, and repost it.

>better double-down on calling him a samefag!

But that post actually addresses those points? Like I get that you disagree but there's a lot more going on there besides "red skull bad!"

I kinda want to see a non-canon story where Vader manipulates her obsession and turns her into what is essentially his personal attack dog for tasks important enough for him to notice but not important enough for him to actually show up while everyone uncomfortably notes the similarities between Vader and Palpatine's relationship.

>Oh sure, he sounds convincing on the surface, but simehow all of his "solutions" end up with giving him complete, total, and unquestioned control. He just knows what to say to get useful idiots on his side.
the idea is wrong, because the person representing it is a bad person.
Somehow you consider this to be true.

>actual point is made
>nuh uh you just hate him because he's bad
It's almost like you're upset that people are pointing out the problems with that page and you can't reconcile that with any other mechanism beyond accusing everyone of hating it just because it's a villain saying it, even though nobody is actually doing that

Well I mean yeah, the idea of giving anyone complete and unquestioned power is wrong.

point me to the part on the page when Red Skull says "and that's why i will rule supreme alone". Which panel is it?

Same girls who want to be Harley Quinn and get raped by the Joker

/pol/fags literally see nothing wrong with what is being said or the implications and can't grasp why anyone would actually have a problem with any of it, so they're baffled that anyone would argue against it.

Basically imagine that the page is Red Skull saying "water is good for you, keep drinking water to stay hydrated" and then you have a bunch of people disagreeing with it and saying the villain is just using people. That's how they see it. They think it's absurd that anyone would have a problem with that page, so rather than acknowledge any counterpoints they just assume that the person challenging Red Skull's ideas is only doing so because it's Red Skull.

Someone being raped BY the Joker? Can't really see it...

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>They think it's absurd that anyone would have a problem with that page, so rather than acknowledge any counterpoints they just assume that the person challenging Red Skull's ideas is only doing so because it's Red Skull.
see

I like how he went right for splitting hairs. It went from defending fascism to going "a-actually does he say this literal line right here?"

Are you at all familiar with Red Skull's character?

The Fox News that platforms Bernie Sander and calls patriots racist with the rest of the lying press?

Are you at all familiar with what "ad hominem" means?

It's not ad hominem when he literally tried to do it. The only reason he was thwarted was because Stevil killed him before he had the chance.

>ad hominem
How cute, he just learned that word and now he thinks he knows how to use it

>rightwingers finally turning on Fox for not being rightwing enough
I knew this would eventually happen but not this fast

That's a "No, I literally have no idea what 'ad hominem' means."

It's ironic that you say that given that you think taking a character's known motivation and use of tactics that have historically been connected directly with that motivation and acknowledging the connection counts as ad hominem. seems to be right, you literally can't understand what is being argued so you just scream AD HOMINEM as if that's some kind of free pass.

And that's a "I don't care that he's just saying this because I'm a useful idiot for his plans, he's so charming!"

You can't seem to make any distinction between attacking ideas as an intellectual, and attacking characters like a subhuman retard.

Since we’re having a spirited discussion about this particular issue and there may be anons who haven’t read the entire thing, let’s read and dissect it together.

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It's been storytimed already, but I'll accept anything that'd kill this shitshow thread quicker.

Dude's a known Nazi using literal Nazi tactics. Emphasis on that second part, these are literal Nazi tactics. This isn't brain surgery, dude.

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This page has a lot that can be broken down and refuted but in the interest of saving time lets just address it as a whole.

Red Skull is right, and entirely wrong. He is right in the fact that like a lot of figures who want to breed people into extremists he is addressing real issues, but oversimplifying who is to blame, how they can solve it, and scapegoating a group of people who with selective examination can be found at fault. Because there can be fault placed on them in some way. It lacks dichotomy and compromise hence why it is called extremist thought, because it is entirely to one end of the spectrum with no give and all take.

It is literally what Hitler did. Not figuratively, literally the same structure by which Hitler did his thing. You can take this argument in pieces and disassemble it and realize how empty it is. You bring up a valid issue, but present a frankly childish and naive solution and call to action and continue on before anyone can address it.

Now moving on from that, that is the fucking Red Skull. Not some infantry man who fucking tried to stop the Russians from raping his homeland. He is the fucking Red Skull. Anyone in that room that has the gall to call themselves a proud american, and heard him compare the United States to Nazi Germany deserve to be beaten.

Please remember to support your LCS.

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No, how DARE you post this insult towards women! Our new YAS QUEEN Kathleen Kennedy will make sure the writer is severely punished for what he has done!

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You just did it, yet again.
You arent addressing anything he said, you're just screaming "RED SKULL BAD" like an idiot.

One page in and our unnamed nurse has more of a child-like curiosity with the military procedure and ceremony surrounding Vader. As we’ll come to see it’s more of an unhealthy obsession.

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Obsession to the point that she disregards her duty to the person she’s obsessed with. Vader would certainly have his own personal medical facility on the Death Star and if it’s not functioning perfectly heads will roll.

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It's been addressed. You're just ignoring it because you want to keep screaming AD HOMINEM. You look at the post, see the part where I said "he's a Nazi" and then go "AHA GOT YOU NOW" and ignore the rest.

Our nurse is already pretty far gone, Vader force-pushes her out of the way because she’s in his way, but she misinterprets this as some kind of meaningful connection.

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>women crying because the story dares to point out how unhealthy and manic their love for psychopathic bad boys who make their cunnies tingle is
Hilarious

Just imagine if Vader had force choked her in the end and she had cried out "harder daddy!".

Hope Hopeless doesn't take any of the PMSing to heart, it was a good bit.
Only people who projected themselves onto a wacko would feel hurt, and are those the sort of people you should be writing for?

Besides, real or written up fanatics will always get what they deserve, remember Jones Town? There is no version of this where recklessness is rewarded. If you put your life in the hands of someone who shows little regard for life expect what it says on the label.

The circle is now complete

And we slip into fantasy with a nod to phantom of the opera. Vader’s comically tall here so he’d have to bend down pretty low for a smooch.

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Vader could only ever love Padmé!

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This image (and others like it in this comic) bring to my mind covers of romance novels.
Only with Fabio being replaced with Darth Vader.

Because thats all you're doing, repeatedly.

As anyone who’s worked in a medical facility knows, the only time your burst into a sterile environment during a medical procedure is when it’s a matter of life or death. Running low on supply closet capacitors does not count.

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What an absolute fucking shitshow of a thread. I enjoyed the first storytime of this comic and discussion until the first links to twitter twats got posted, at which point everything went to shit.

If he only knew that Luke and Leia's real father was Rush Clovis...

Ive read actual census reports, not cherrypicked images of brown kids in schools. If you want to talk about breeding age, in Germany alone there are 22 million people between the ages of 18 and 40. There are 600k refugees in Germany and somewhat over a million refugees in the whole of Europe. Going by your logic that living with a different race is genocide if it out numbers you, it's the refugees who are getting genocided.

>But then, it's by the Avengers Arena guy.
That explains everything.

This page is 100% in character for Vader, he’d always punish the person in charge for the mistakes of those working under them. Again our nurse misinterprets this as an act of protection and thinks Vader has strong feelings for her. Poor doc.

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But it literally isn't. Your argument is that the original post is invalid because there's no evidence in the page that Red Skull intends to take over America and rule it as a fascist dictator, which is a moot point because that's exactly what Red Skull is shown to be planning to do both before or after this page, both through subterfuge, mind control, outright reality warping, and eventually just outright assassination.

If that's all you see that's your problem. Though it's clear you're not that dense and you're just willfully ignoring any point made in favor of dismissing it with the ad hominem attack because you just learned it and don't know how it works.

That or this is an elaborate troll. Either way I think I'm done with this.

see

Now we get a bit more sinister, our nurse’s unhealthy obsession with Vader means she wants to be close to him as much as possible, closer than a doctor to their patient.

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Creepy stalker mode, activated!
or wait, was it activated earlier already? I can't tell.

>muh melting pot tradition

Spotted the historical illiterate.

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Very generous of the empire to give people desks and chairs in their living quarters.

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But to add some decoration, our nurse has been collecting literally bits of Vader when he comes in for a procedure. Let’s try not to think about what the prosthetic finger has seen.

You cross into new territory when you start collecting a person’s blood and fingers.

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>Let’s try not to think about what the prosthetic finger has seen.
Oh that thing's definitely been in her exhaust port

I really this as an action page, Vader crash landing into the hanger with his TIE fighter ablaze, walks away like it’s nothing in front of the officers and crew, but needing urgent medical attention and having confidence in the staff to deliver.

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Also
>it's not done the way international treaties discuss
>nobody could imagine immigration causing ethnic shifts
It's actually being done exactly as the charter specifies, by going through their cases to see if they qualify for refugee status in the spirit of giving haven to the oppressed and prosecuted. Germany, who has taken almost half of all the refugees alone, will not even see a 3% shift in the fertile population of Middle Easterners (600k out of 22 million is 2.7%), assuming all refugees are between the age of 18 and 40.

And I have not been to an "European" school, no one has, unless they keep swapping between schools of the 28 members. I'm guessing you're American because if you were European you'd know that European countries have vastly different schools and most countries have taken negligible amounts of refugees.

You can say that you're uncomfortable with this amount of refugees, which is a politicial opinion you're free to have. But the European states taking in refugees are not derelicting their duties, they're actually the few doing as they promised.

This may be the first time our nurse has had this level of contact with Vader and the responsibility of surgical preparation. Doc comes in to bust her moment, but she seems content.

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And we slip into fantasy again, this time with her as a paramedic in the field. And just look at how flexible Vader is in the first panel, sweet Jesus.

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After a brief fantasy Vader needs to get back in the action, but he’s clearly not 100% if he’s forgetting his cape. And our nurse gets the biggest souvenir of her career so far.

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>DO YOU NOT SEE MY DICK IN MY HAND?

The massive numbers coming in across the Mediterranean are not Syrians, Iraqis, or Yemenis -- they're just sub-Saharans trying to leave their shithole countries and get into Europe. At a minimum the Mediterranean routes could be completely shit down without stranding anyone actually fleeing a war. Still not sure why we can't change treaties if they run contrary to the national good and subvert more efficient humanitarian goals though. Increasing the population of developed countries is environmentally unsustainable and helping poor people (most of them are just poor -- many come from as far as Bangladesh) in rich countries costs more money and helps fewer people than investing in services abroad.

Medical waste is one thing, but stealing directly from Vader is an offense warranting execution. Nurse gives Vader’s cape a good sniff, probably still smells like burning spacecraft and blood. We shift to a ballroom dance fantasy, nice touch that she’s dancing with the cape in the floor’s reflection. This time though, she may have gone too far.

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>nice touch that she’s dancing with the cape in the floor’s reflection
I didn't even notice that

I kind of like this storyline. there's something endearing about a worker who's enamored with this tall, dark, and mysterious figure. And of course there's nothing out of character for the ending.

>Are those the sort of people you should be writing for?

Well Japan has three entire demographics devoted to "those sort of people" aka women, shoujo, josei and yaoi, it's a solid business model by women for women. Though I guess men and sjws shouldn't be writing for those genres yeah, since they can't fulfill fantasies like a woman (who has those fantasies and loves them) can.

>Besides, real or written up fanatics will always get what they deserve

What do you mean "real or written up"? The authors of Twilight and 50 Shades of Grey are both happily married, so are lots of women authors of such fantasies. And the heroines they write do get their happy ever after with Edward and Christian Grey.

She thicc

People have said the doctor is protecting her here, but I think he’s worried he’ll be killed too for allowing his nurse to repeatedly steal from Vader. Into the trash compactor her collection goes.

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For anyone in this thread who’s ever been or might be in this situation, don’t stick your face in garbage water.

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Yeah, throughout the whole book it's clear that he's not interested in protecting her so much as protecting himself. He's not really wrong to do that either, since we know Vader holds him responsible for his subordinates' actions.

Now for a revenge fantasy, our nurse has become a sith apprentice under Vader, who watches proudly as she force-chokes the life out of the doctor. And her resolve is complete.

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>nice and clean
Foreshadowing I suppose.

Time for a love confession. I’d think she’d clean herself up first rather than track garbage water around the Death Star and into Vader’s personal living quarters, but love makes you do strange things.

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Vader actually shows remarkable restraint here and let’s her talk enough to explain her intentions. I wonder how long it’s been since someone called him beautiful?

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I think he's just momentarily wrong-footed by a crazy bitch bursting into his chamber

>What do you mean "real or written up"?
I mean there were people making it out Hopeless was engineering this situation to attack them rather than it being the natural result of such things, granted yes he is literally writing it up so it is engineered but as I said with the real example it does happen where people abandon all sense and get their due.
>The authors of Twilight and 50 Shades of Grey are both happily married, so are lots of women authors of such fantasies.
I don't really care?
>And the heroines they write do get their happy ever after with Edward and Christian Grey.
Lovely. Doesn't really serve as any sort of evidence against Hopeless as to why the alternative can't or should not happen. Sometimes it's in the cards that the Fool's destined path leads to Death.

I think he was caught so off-guard that it took him a moment to process what the fuck was even happening

It's shit water mate, it's definitely shit water.

You think a space station mixes its trash with its sewerage? At least one of those has to be recycled

Why would the empire care? They'd probably strip mine a dozen planets just to replace the lost waste than actually go and recycle it.

>Recycling
>When you can just dump it all on some backwater planet

Plus I'm not sure they'd have a good reason to compact shit and piss.

Weaponized space turd flinging?

Unfortunately Vader’s not really ready to date again and can’t indulge an obsessed nurse who’s been stealing his fingers and coming into his meditation room uninvited. He kills her nice and clean as said and we end our story.

Personally I enjoy stories from the perspective of minor characters in Star Wars. Vader killing the nurse was completely in character for someone who chokes out officers and blows up planets. People have called this story “problematic” for its portrayal of an obsessed woman, I think they may be projecting onto the nurse a bit too much, or they don’t think bad things should happen to women. I read it as more of a story about building up an incorrect image of someone in your head and taking it to an extreme until it reaches an inevitable tragic outcome. And I don’t think the author should be attacked for writing it.

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>Having to install windscreen wipers on the TIE fighters because the hanger was built too close to the sewage ejection port.

If you're not recycling your water, then you'd have to keep importing it to meet the needs of the thousands or however many people onboard

>firing literal shit bricks at the enemy

Thanks for at least attempt ing to steer this back on topic user. I agree with your assessment.

So? The empire owns god knows how many worlds and could easily handle some hyper spacefreighting of food and water to death star.
When you get to FTL speeds and artificial gravity alongside planet popping, things that halt our space programs stop being a problem to those folks.

These 4 simple panels are the most accurate a comic will ever be about the real world.

So?
You think all those people actually settled on those desert planets? They were all vibrant worlds perfect for farming until the Emperor needed his bath.

I just thought things got a bit embarrassing when people on other sites and twitter were literally saying “I haven’t read the comic but if what people are saying is true the author should be fired immediately!”.

>I mean there were people making it out Hopeless was engineering this situation to attack them

Well it is entirely possible, I don't know anything about this dude so I don't know how likely that is but the whole thing is made up in fantasy so I can see why people would read it as and attack. The evil villain who returns the heroine's love does happen in fantasy. That you build up something apparently like that, creating expectations, only to shit in the reader's expectations in the end is suspicious.

>I don't really care?

My bad, I thought you were saying women who write or read those fantasies end up bad, and that's objectively not true.

>Sia-Lan Wezz
>a thot

How dare you, sir!

That's nothing new, sadly. Also I like how the topic is now the practicalities of recycling and waste management in space. Still better than /pol/shit.

OT Anakin was nearly 80, he would be had Luke in his 60s and been 10 years older than Obi-wan. It was a silly choice and I’m glad they retconned it. Redeemed Anakin looked like an AARP commercial actor

It won't work. Wuthering Heights was making fun of women who romantisice psychopaths nearly two hundred years ago.

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If our solar system is anything to go by. There's far more water in an asteroid belt then you can ever get from planets.

>Wuthering Heights was making fun

You sure about that?

It's like 1983 all over again!

I mean Cathy literally goes insane and dies because of her love of Heathcliff, so yeah?

Perfect.

Thanks for the storytime, I liked it. Enjoyed your running commentary on the characters and motivations too.

She also becomes a moor spectre that haunts him and drives him insane and regretful of his actions in turn until he literally kills himself so they can be together forever in death.

That was Peter Cushing

Don't choke on your aspirations user.

I remember reading a Star Wars comic about 20 years ago kind of like this. Some wannabe Sith somehow got her hands on a lightsaber, don't remember if she was actually force sensitive or not, but she was obsessed with becoming Vader's apprentice. She finally met him, confessed her feelings, and Vader was all "you hold your lightsaber carelessly" and cut her in half.

>Are you at all familiar with Red Skull's character?
see >the idea is wrong, because the person representing it is a bad person.
>Somehow you consider this to be true.

Ever heard of the Boston marathon bomber fangirls? Apparently he was a cuteboy who dindu nuffin!

Well even today there's still legions of fanboys claiming Hitler did nothing wrong.

Yea Forums in fact has a whole board dedicated just to that.

do you think tarkin or anyone had the corpse brought to their quarters? maybe used as a fuckdoll down in the barracks or the kitchens or something?

is it /ck/?

You're looking for an oven joke there aren't you.

Of course Actually I didn't even know what the board was about until I clicked it just now

Yea Forums supports those attacking the author for telling this story. They are of that persuasion

>whataboutism

>Yea Forums
>one person or group

Boards are not a singular force

I was more referring to the character of Isabella Linton, who thinks Heathcliff is a dreamy bad boy she can fix.
The whole point of Cathy is that she's just as awful a person as Heathcliff, in her own way.

I don't support attacking the author for telling this story, but I do think everyone would be better off if the West had a comics industry that caters to women without prejudices like Japan does. Everytime a woman writes a story where the evil guy falls for her self-insert the West acts like you're personally offended at her choices. Look at the reaction to Twilight. It makes me hate men really.

I dunno, I'm still convinced /x/ is all one guy.

>Insulting your superior in the middle of a meeting is and incredibly idiotic thing to do. Insulting them for believing in space magic when Space magic is demonstrably real is is such a stunning display of idiocy
That reminds me of the book "From a Certain Point of View". I loved Motti's defense of himself in that book. On the one hand he was hilariously salty about the whole thing and trying so hard to pretend his pride hadn't been wounded, but on the other hand he managed to raise good points about how Vader was out of the line too.

The old canon or the current one? I've always liked Piett for some reason even though he has very little characterization in the movies. Never really looked up on his backstory, though.

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Hey, if we can't have our Manic Pixie Dream Girls you can't have your Brooding Vampire Nightmare Boys.

>Heathcliff
The cat?

>I was more referring to the character of Isabella Linton
The character that exists solely to be a rival to the protagonist, Cathy, is portrayed as a horrible woman who gets shafted in the end because the love interest can be only for protagonist? You don't say.

if we're talking semi-tinhat conspiracies /pol/ is probably one of the most organised boards that can organise to brigade and prolifrate their bullshit

Alternate ending:
>"Very well, nurse... whatever your name is. I should warn you that a battle on Mustafar has left me without much of a penis."
>"Instead, to bring me sexual pleasure, you must tenderly, and I do mean TENDERLY massage my prostate."
>"Now, there will be a lot of necrotic skin and feces, in both a dry and semi-dry state, considering I have to live in this full body coffin suit."
>"Since you apparently "love" me, this shouldn't be a problem, then, so let me just spread my cheeks so you can wriggle your fingers or tongue into me."
The entire time he'll be droning on about Padme or Ahsoka's perky tits or ass, occasionally noting on the nurse's flabby yandere booty.

Is there more of Motti's long-winded diatribe, or does it actually just run off the page like that?

It’s only as effective as the wider community is receptive to those tactics, like making the O.K. hand gesture a white supremacy symbol.

Nah fuck that.

>receiving a prostate massage
>in view of her rear end
The dark side of the force is a gateway to many unnatural abilities, but Vader is definitely not that flexible

>Japan: boys can have Manic Pixie Dream Girls, girls can have Brooding Vampire Nightmare Boys
>America: no you can't have anything, anyone can't have anything!

How can anyone deny that Japan is superior?

HEATHCLIFF HEATHCLIFF NO-ONE SHOULD
DIG UP THE CORPSE OF YOUR FORMER LOVER

I just took a screenshot of as much of it as fit on my screen. His full complaint is somewhere between two or three times as long as that snippet.

I think it's funnier like this.

This. Women don't want men to have any kind of self-indulgent fantasy about cliched female archetypes, and yet they want carte blanche to harp on about their Christian Greys and their Edward Cullens. If we're not allowed to be happy and delusional, why should they be?

Oppression mostly.

I would love this page as a print. Does anyone know if this exists / has a HR version of this page?

Not even looking at it, just trying to psyche himself up for a hollow sexual thrill. He could probably do it himself, but it's always nicer to have someone else do it for you.
The real question is if Ms. Crazy's medical training has sapped her sense of disgust enough to get freaky with Vader's ruined ass.
Really, this alternate timeline could be fun! This hapless fool torn from her daydreams for the reality of being Darth Vader's "lover": less dashing officer and more like taking care of a crippled grandparent, with emptying his colostomy bag and sponge-bathing his limbless torso.
Side note, how the hell would he even reciprocate that affection? No dick, Sith gauntless make fingering dangerous, and oral is likely out the window since he can't really be far from his helmet for long.

Please, the average white western woman is probably the least oppressed "oppressed class" in the world. Most of their complaints and accusations of inequality can be disproven or linked to objective, non-patriarchal antecedents. All they really do nowadays is trivialise the plight of those who are actually being systemically oppressed in a significant and tangible way.

The force user! Use the force!

At least she got what she wanted...
Penetration by Vader

Alot of the women are angry this actually shows a realistic and problematic habit many women engage in.

Cool brainwashing

Are you a comic artist? You should be

You're confusing women with sjws. A lot of Twilight fans are all too happy to let you fap to whatever you want as long as you let them schlick in peace to whatever they want. It's sjws that don't want people to be able to fap/schlick in peace. Sjws attacked Twilight fangirls first, and nobody defended them. It was only after Twilight fangirls pointed out the hypocrisy of attacking women's works but not men's works that sjws came after your fap material too, since they'd lose face otherwise. I told you to shut sjws up and tell them to let leave women alone and let women schlick in peace. You didn't listen.

That... could be pretty hot, actually. Just using a similar branch of power to his choke to just massage her innards and bits, reducing her to a gasping, cumming mess without any real effort on his part. That is how Anakin, essentially a penniless monk, bagged a senator. Possibly how he kept Ahsoka so loyal to him personally.

Is that Hillary Clinton?

LOL

This is the long and short of it. The major source of this so-called "controversy" is that it points out what could be referred to as "toxic femininity" and women, once again, have no interest in confronting problems present within their own social dynamics that they can't just blame on men.

Why is it a problem?
Japan proves it isn't.

Nah, Ashoka was all Obi-Wan's work.

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>Possibly how he kept Ahsoka so loyal to him personally.

>Ahsoka can't sleep because the force is weird at night
>Can't concentrate during meetings
>Blushes always near Padme
>Just thinks that the Force is doubting her faith
>Really it's Anakins way of coping with the war

>Japan proves it isn't.
Japan has 10, 15, 20 years tops, until they are too old to survive

Japan proves that women being unwilling to look at their own flaws isn't a problem?

>"It was like a constant porno, Luke."

Japan proves that both men and women indulging in their own fantasies is not a problem, and indulging in fictional fantasies is not a flaw.

No, that's white people.

Was Redskull always this based?

Except that Japan is literally dying because men are too busy fantasising about women who are actually nice to them to talk to the real ones who treat them like shit and women are all either flocking to foreigners to find companionship or bitterly dying alone.

And I'll tell you why, too; once all current baby boomers are dead there will be plenty of jobs available getting the economy starting again and creating a new baby boom in a couple of generations. It will be a relatively smooth transition as Japan is still homogeneous.

While once all the white boomers are dead, there will be no new white baby boom or jobs available since white countries will be filled with refugees from the third world anyway, keeping numbers unsustainable, and white people will die off replaced by brown people.

>Japan proves that both men and women indulging in their own fantasies is not a problem, and indulging in fictional fantasies is not a flaw.
>A good example of a country that is Indulging in fictional fantasies healthly
>A country thats general population is litreally recedding because men would rather waifufag than fuck 3d women

There's not enough foreigners in Japan for what you're saying, it's not Europe. Plus, better to be alone than with someone you hate.

The birth rate will pick up again once the excess people are dead, and they'll be better off for it than by keeping pumping excess people in the system.

That is definitely something Sheev would do

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A problem that isn't fix by importing dozens of idiots who simply run ramshod over the country.

How do you know that's the cause though? Population is receding even in countries where men are shamed for preferring waifus to women. Germany for example doesn't have a waifu culture, yet their native rates are even worse than Japan. Therefore waifuing cannot be the cause.

is that even the argument we're having?

they're fixing that with robots

It's the solution given every time Japan's birthrates is brought up.

The other solution would be women to lower their standards, but pussy is treated like a fucking exotic good everywhere so we better not remove the one biggest leverage tool women have.

The end of the day the "Incel" problem is caused by the standards of women being so high and the cultural acceptance of spinster cat-ladies.

The sooner we stop paying attention to 40 something childless women the sooner society can fix itself globally.

did you draw those lines over user

the fuck is this trash

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The white birth rate in America is on par with Japan's even with sjws making people miserable and unhappy destroying their fantasies. So much for your theory.

For some reason one user has decided this Star Wars comic thread is the place for him to discuss immigration.

And, personally, I cannot wait for sex robots to become a thing so I never have to interact with 99.999999999999% of women ever again. But, still, the argument that Japan's current system of reckless hedonism is working for its stability is not a solid one.

You're stupid.

The problem is Japanese men are faggots and basement dwellers.

Well, we all know that women are the primary cause of any kind of issue with the dating world, what with them being the gatekeepers of sex. Unfrotunately, asking them to lower their standards is like asking a billionaire to donate half of his fortune to charity. I mean, sure, he could do it and still live a great life, but why would he be a millionaire when he can be a billionaire?

I dont want to hear what some 20 year old girl has to say about Vader, it wasn't made for them.

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What do you want to do, force women to have sex with someone they don't want to have sex with?
>cultural acceptance of spinster cat-ladies
What cultural acceptance when you people are shitting on them all the time?

Yes, it's not that Japanese women are infamous harridans who demand a husband fill both traditional breadwinning while also having their own high paying office jobs.

Sort of like what women demand now: They want payment equal to men, but also will never accept their spouse earning less than them unless they're hot.

German Jews are 98% white and they got killed by the nazis

You'e nothing but a fucking hypocrite, as typical of this board

I meant they're replacing their population with robots, so reproductive rates are irrelevant.

It is working for its stability though. It keeps people happy and complacent, and happy and complacent people don't protest when the government keeps shitskins away from the country. Can't have more stability than that.

As much as I hate to admit it, this is the problem. I've interacted with a lot of Japanese women -- they arguably have some of the lowest standards in men ever. Most of them are just happy if the guy isn't an unwashed slob and if he pays attention to them. The argument that women have standards which are far too high is applicable to western countries, but in Japan it's literally an issue of the men being complete beta faggots.

Why do you keep trying to make this about immigration?

Personally? I'd remove all the feminist and gender study courses that push out wave after wave of rhetoric that makes it seem like being a stay at home mother with a loving partner is somehow horrible patriarchal slavery compared to being a hendonistic slave to corperations.

Or just add a No-children tax only excluded via medical reasons.

Sounds like you actually haven't talked to Japanese women.

Statistcs show Japanese women rate fiscal power as the biggest choice in choosing a spouse.

college should be replaced enmass with data chips.

Because people say Japan is dying like that's something exceptional that can be blamed on waifus. All the first world is seeing a huge decline in birth rates, even without waifus. China is seeing that decline too. The West just cheats importing black and brown people to replace the natives.

Universities should go back to being the elite rung of highly specialised doctrines to research greater development for humanity.

There is literally no point in Gender Studies other than to milk money out of RadFems and trannies.

Women are in this weird nebulous zone that's actually somewhat emblematic of their entire conflicted nature. Logically speaking they want equality, respect and good men who treat them nicely, but they just haven't figured out a way to control the way their vaginas tingle when a Chad treats them like a sex-daughter or how those same vaginas dry out like the Gobi Desert when they encounter beta males who actually do what they ask men to do. They want to step into the future, but they still want to get fucked doggystyle by the past.

"Beta males" are a product of the constant spewing of philosophical sewage stemming from ultimately feminist dominated doctrines.

Men are now taught to be afraid of any interaction with women without being utterly submissive and placid. While women are taught to be terrified of interaction outside of preordained sewing circle groups.

Feminism makes the world worse for women, to the betterment of the feminist.

The problem is that being a stay at home mother is a risk. You can get lucky and never have a problem but you can also get unlucky and regret it because you're not happy and, being without money, you have no way out. You can't ignore that reality even if you suppress all gender studies.

>just add a No-children tax
You want to hurt women, but men will be the ones to hate it the most.

One of the biggest mistakes the western world has done is paid attention to biologically unsuccessful women.

People like Theresa May and Angela Merkel and that whatever her name is in New Zealand.

They're all women leading into their 30ies 40ies and 50ies with no children.

This is a sign they are damaged and ultimately untrustworthy women.

>Being a stay at home mother is a risk.

So is staying a bitter spinster or showing zero human apathy to the point your standards are unrealistic.

Like everything in the world, compromise and maturity should solve the problems.

The issue is the modern woman is not mature, they act constantly like children.

>"Beta males" are a product of the constant spewing of philosophical sewage stemming from ultimately feminist dominated doctrines.
Nice mental gymnastics, dork. Too bad it's wrong and retarded, like you.

Beta males are a combination of nature and nurture. Really most of them are just regular dudes who have no interest in being some hyper-dominant masculine stereotype. As a result of that lack of domineering instinct, they end up believing the lies of the media about how if you just "bee urself" and treat women like equals, you can eventually find some happiness (which is really all they want).

I think men could really stand to benefit from learning about the true nature of women from an early age. Instead they get fed a bunch of squishy lies and flung into the remorseless, cutthroat world of modern dating from the male perspective.

>Theresa May
Married
>Angela Merkel
Married
>whatever her name is in New Zealand
Unmarried but Clarke Gayford is her partner and they have a child

So you're saying we shouldn't pay attention to wives and mothers?

I don't necessarily think that's the problem. I think men ultimately want to believe that women are deeper than they actually are. They want to believe that they can find one who loves them for who they are, who they can have deep, meaningful conversations with and have a relationship based on loyalty and mutual respect.

But the sad reality is that women just aren't like that. They don't think the same way that men do, and no amount of reasoning or logic or learning from their mistakes will ever change their fundamental nature.

>Married with no kids

Literally a redundant woman.

the prevelance of NEET culture combined with a toxic work enviroment are the driving forces of whats killing a generation of Japanese men as men simply seek refuge in a fantasy with a Waifu who will love them unconditionally and little maintaince

The general curve of population growth hasn't regressed in america, in Japan its regression is in full swing

>White birth rate
>Sjw's

neither of those are related to general pop growth fuck off back to /pol/ if you want to bitch about the death of the white ''race''

If a woman is unhappy being alone she can always find a man eventually. Not as simple when you need to find money you don't have to leave someone you don't want to be with.

All these problems are caused by Toxic Femininity.

"Soft" Men usually seek out "Soft" women. Yet the constant brainwashing makes the Meek feel the need to reinforce themselves with group identity and paranoia.

The shy nerdy girl of yesterday has been turned into the crazed paranoid femcel of today.

Mays husband bought $1000 worth of porn at the expense of the British taxpayer rather than fuck her. The marriage is clearly the result of a lost bet or something.

>Married without kids

Literally the downfall of the western world; Women with no stake in tomorrow seek to ruin it for others out of spite for their dusty and unused wombs.

Their husbands are okay with it.

>The general curve of population growth hasn't regressed in america, in Japan its regression is in full swing

Because America imports foreigners in droves, duh. It's easy to keep the population growing when you're constantly importing poor people.

>Her partner

If she uses that term then the lack of gender roles reinforces how toxic and horrid the relationship is.

he probably couldn't even request a replacement, because he'd have to explain why she should be replaced. Which would mean people would find out what she was doing as his subordinate.

Partner always sounds so formal and emotionless, like it's business.

Girlfriend and Boyfriend imply at least friendship exists.

>Because America imports foreigners in droves, duh. It's easy to keep the population growing when you're constantly importing poor people.

What is even your point here? that immigration is bad? what the shit does that even have to do with my Intial point.

>Their Husbands are okay with it.

I can assume 100% they're not and merely following their wives because they have absolutely no say in family matters and if they pushed for children they'd be crucified for it.

>Partner always sounds so formal and emotionless, like it's business.
that's most adult LTR, user

Funny, all my relationships and my parents relatioships seemed to be built on nothing but informality and emotion.

Western Society has become a nanny state determined to make people as scared of each other as possible while making people desperate to shore up their own egos.

This is what has led to Incels and raging fat feminists.

Philip and Theresa May have been married for 39 years now, and you're claiming they're unhappy just because they aren't doing what you want.

>Women with no stake in tomorrow
Theresa is trying to get the UK out of the hellhole that is the EU exactly for the sake of tomorrow, retard.

Someone is this thread is clearly very upset they don't have a (white) wife and children. Might I suggest there's a better course of action to remedy this than shitposting on Yea Forums?

That the West cheats through immigration and the muh birthrates argument is bullshit.

Divorce exists user, if Philip wanted children he had 39 years to divorce and find another woman. Given 39 years later he's still there, I have reason to doubt your assumption.

>Theresa is trying to get the UK out of the hellhole that is the EU exactly for the sake of tomorrow, retard
Wrong. She's deliberately fucking it up so badly the UK will probably stay in the UK because she's a remoaner.

It's also cultural appropriation from cowboys

>Immigration
>Cheating

if thats case nearly every tribe/nation/state/city has been cheating since the dawn of time.

>She's a remainer
>keeps pushing for Brexit despite everyone demanding the UK to stay
Why are you so stupid?

Well yeah, it's only nations that don't cheat that get attacked because they'd rather avoid the ethnic conflict that comes with cheating.

>Pushing Brexit
>Her deal is basically staying in the EU, including paying the EU money, for no benefit.

oh yeah, It's much more likely that she's the worst negotiator in the fucking history of mankind. Occams Razor, buddy. Nobody is that inept.

If their relationship is healthy and steady, explain why they have no children in a 39 years marriage.

some people just don't like kids. they're screeching little shitbags who grow up to be ungrateful big shitbags and the world has too many of them in it already

Neither is interested in having any and they're happy like that. Just my guess.

one of them is broken

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The only people who don't want their own kids are sociopaths with the inability to care for other people.

The whole point of a relationship is to eventually have children.

Proof that a Woman with no stake in the future should not be writing it.

What? The EU is trying to make the UK stay or get the worst treatment possible. She's trying to find a way around that without sending the nation into ruins. If she just wanted to stay she would have called for a second referendum already, Remain is winning now.

>Could adopt
>Don't
>Remain a spinster

10/10 woman skills there May.

>Trying to find the way around that
>Keeps presenting the first deal she was given.

>Remain is winning in the idea of a second referendum when all statistics point to the contrary

You're a Tranny ain't you?

>The only people who don't want kids are sociopaths with no ability to feel!
>The only reason for anyone to be in a relationship is to procreate and pass their genetic material down to the next generation, otherwise all romantic relationships are pointless!
Wow, this is pretty ironic.

Why in the name of fuck have you chosen this thread to be the /pol/ embassy on Yea Forums? This entire thread reads like a /pol/ newfag desperate to share everything he's learned from there.

Also are we degenerates who shouldn't breed or is it our duty to repopulate the white race, make up your minds.

This comic has every tumblr fujo with bad boy fetishes in uproar and its glorious
Zutara shippers, Reylo shippers, Kacchacko shippers, every girl who self inserts as the pure hearted heroine who saves the misumderstood bad boy from his evil nature is forced to see what their fantasies look like from the outside

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I don't agree with that. A relationship is for companionship, children can be there but they can't either. A lot of people with children don't care for their own children and make them miserable and unhappy, while people without children do charity and care for the community.

>Phillip is broken
So you're saying she should have dumped him for another man?

>If she just wanted to stay she would have called for a second referendum already
That would have killed the conservative party for at least a decade, if not forever.
>Remain is winning now
[Citation Needed]

>spinster
>married
Pick one.

I miss the sewage logistics

Look at the polls. Leavers are regretting, Remainers are demanding a new referendum because they know they'll win.

Can we get back to how hilarious it is that the "daddy's little monster" crowd is seething because they've been called out by this comic? I don't know how we descended into this /pol/ bullshit, but I came here to kek at Tumblrinas getting bent out of shape because they read a story where a woman being obsessed with the edgy sociopathic loner didn't end in his becoming equally obsessed with her.

This comic is the consequence of shitty sjw politics. Japan is free from that bullshit.

Brexit has to be the biggest political clusterfuck of all time. It's funny just thinking about how the leavers dove in face first and collided with solid pavement.

>>Could adopt
>Raise a stranger
cuck

>Look at the Polls
>Only place remain skewed in Remain is fucking London
>Most show a 44% favor for brexit.

Do you get your News from The Guardian or something?

britain has deteriorated to a third world country desperately clinging to the EU for relevance.
Anyone in in Britain with 2 brain cells can see that

Even though Red Skull is a nazi and everyone is REEEing about that and not his statement. He is absolutely correct on that a nation has a duty to it's own people first rather than letting everyone and anyone into it's borders. We know this because several countries in the Marvel Universe practice this.

Wakanda practices heavy scrutinization of people (they even give Bruno a hard time in Kamala's book) coming into the country lest they be "colonized" and have their precious Vibranium stolen. Even the few "refugees" accepted into Wakanda are put to slave labor and are abused if Hudlin & Priest's BP runs are still canon.

Israel keeps it's borders locked tight and only allows non-jews citizenship if they are a mutant/powered individual who promises to be part of the IDF for their entire citizenship and they also have to be microchip'd to be tracked within Israel. The chips are a killswitch if they rebel but Sabra and the Israeli Government keep that hush-hush.

The Inhumans keep a sovereign state on American Soil and refuse to take any non-Inhuman refugee on nationalist identitarian ideologies. The few non-Inhumans allowed into Attilan are either fucktoys for the Royals or useful pawns in their political backstabbing or false flags against other countries.

None of the above countries have drawn ire for their actions that honestly line up with some of the worst stuff Red Skull has done. If these countries both in the Marvel universe and IRL (Israel) can keep a stringent control over their boarders and population, then why can't everyone else?

>Offloading his personal shit onto Ashoka
...That actually explains how he degenerated so fast after she left.

If you're a leftist and you're reading this, this is why you're losing. This is why you're going to continue to keep losing, and this is why despite all the migrants and the social justice policies and the brainwashing in your university system your are currently under a greater threat of earning yourself a right-wing dystopia than a left-wing one. Someone who feels disenfranchised and desperate to create a future for himself and his people laid out his feelings and his troubles plainly and sincerely, and your response was to belittle them and mock his totally legitimate concerns.
>You must be crazy.
>You must be stupid.
>You must be a virgin.
Then it just keeps going in the replies. And you wonder why he was ever driven to the conclusion that fascism was a better alternative to watching the ship burn with such smugly ignorant people like these all around him? Do you think it stops when he leaves your Mongolian basket weaving forum? It's on the news and in the streets and on Netflix and in your laws and spoken in your classrooms. I absolutely guarantee that there is violence coming, and you'll have earned every bit of it when it arrives. This shit keeps me up at night, thinking about how inevitable it is. People are trying to voice their concerns peacefully, and they're being ignored and ridiculed for seeking out their own self-preservation. You are leaving no other option for them. The fun's ending.

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Nationalism and white preservation was completely slandered in the decades after WWII. The Reich's behavior was a manifestation of a people's desire for order, cleanliness, and a better future that went out of control, but it was spun in entertainment and the history books as a mysterious nation-wide moral failing and an expression of pure, shameful hatred of the other. This is not the case, but we framed it that way during the war because it was easier to understand and perpetuated it because Zionists needed to coast on the holocaust for as long. Because of this, traditionally white nations are no longer "allowed" to speak as if their service is to their people, because it all gets erroneously looped back to images of genocide and international aggression. Ironic, since apparently what they've accomplished in doing so is ensuring that any whites who wind up feeling taken advantage of the same way post WWI Germany did now see widespread violence as how it's supposed to be done.