Stronger than Superman(Strength of Hercules)

>Stronger than Superman(Strength of Hercules)
Nope.
>Smarter than Batman(Wisdom of Solomon)
Wiser and smarter are different things.
>More powerful than Aquaman(Power of Zeus)
Okay, and?
>Braver than Green Lantern(Courage of Achilles)
Courage of a guy who thought he was invincible and was 99.99% right? Wow...
>Faster than Flash(Speed of Mercury)
Not even close.
>More stamina than Wonder Woman(Stamina of Atlas)
Okay.

I like Billy, but you know nothing.

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>Smarter than Batman(Wisdom of Solomon)
Wisdom=/=Intelligence

It worked didn't it?

>first baby mothers in an early copper age kingdom

They were probably 13-14 year old illiterate old peasant teenagers. This little trick working on them does not sound that absurd.

He’s based.

Old, new, whatever, Superman family vs. Shazam Family, who wrecks who?

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He also lacks the experience of all of those

Assuming Black Adam's powers are completely equal to Billy's despite the different gods offering their powers, Adam couldn't keep up with Jay Garrick and he's arguably one of the slowest speedsters.

Yeah, Billy's gonna be eating dust real fast.

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Look Billystans, we get it.

You REALLY REALLY like Billy.

You REALLY REALLY wished they still called him Captain Marvel.

You're REALLY REALLY upset that Billy isn't going to be in the new trinity with Arthur and Diana, and

You're REALLY REALLY sad that Cereal Lords Magnum Opus wasn't the vehicle to make Billy popular once again and is barely creaking to beating Captain America's first movie, if you didn't adjust it for inflation.

Get over yourselves.

Superior than Captain Marvel

m.youtube.com/watch?v=uR3GCIjqIFs

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Somewhat related but anyone know where I can find info on Crateis, from Sabbac’s powers, the guy who gives him flight.

All I've found was some brief article saying that Crataetis (with the extra a) was the mother of Scylla, a sea monster in Greek mythology.

Wonder Woman is stronger than Hercules and faster than Mercury, and has the wisdom of a goddess instead of a mortal

I read a bunch of Shazam Recs and I’ve come to the conclusion that the Power of Zeus doesn’t make any sense at all.
In The Monster Society of Evil Billy and Captain Marvel can go back in time (Via riding electrons or something) using Zeus’s power.
And in Johns run Eugene can talk to machines with it.
Was this really a powerset Zeus could use? Like can he do all of that in WW or other DC book? It just seems strange.

How come they're all Greek/Roman mythological figure but then Solomon who is from the Bible or Torah or whatever

They didn’t know any Greco/Roman smart guys I guess with name recognition

Well having access to the Speedforce is a bit unfair you know?

But Billy is faster than Flash though.

Did they already release the speed chart for DC?
Can you post it?

Because there are no well known Greeks or Roman wise men whose initial fits in front of -hazam and sounds good.

He can catch up to the flash rather well

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They did, Billy is on the low end. Wonder Woman is faster than him

What?
How did Wonder Woman accomplish that? I thought she was just as strong as supes but apparently she’s also as fast now?
When did this happen?

Are there any interviews with the creators discussing why they choose what. I mean, I get they were pretty much directed to come up with a superhero on the spot, in much the same vein as Superman, and maybe didn't put a ton of thought into it (not that I think there wasn't) but it would still be interesting to hear their thoughts.

You need to look into some of the greek mythology websites, it takes some digging. Or get someone still in college to do it for you from the school's library.

OP is an idiot.

Simply disregard him.

It's not even sensical with standard comic book logic

No, because writers were lazy and stupid in the 1940s. And not well educated.

Let's see what happens when Dr. Sivana strips Captain Marvel of his powers.

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Is Oggar here?

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No

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Have having the powers of 6 gods isn't?

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>Literally one of if not the most powerful superhero in DC
>no movie

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And so the rightful ruler of the universe was defeated by that jerk Billy Batson.

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They should've put Zoom in first. Fucker can go as fast as he wants since he's time-based.
Take this attosecond insanity. Zoom could take that attosecond and just stretch it out so it feels like second, day, or year to him. He could WALK laps around any of the Flashes at their fastest.

But in any case, the writers make the characters as fast or slow as they need to be.

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We had this thread already, user.

Thats absolutely bull.
See above.
Seriously, Speedforce stuff is unfair. That thing can do anything you want it to do.

J'onn would rip him apart.

Let him shine damnit

It was a good plan and it worked.

>”Yes, let me just peer into Captain Marvels mind and-AAAAHHHHHHH!”

He's not stronger than Supes.

You're retarded.

Stop being retarded.

Did you seriously not know that Wonder Woman has super speed? She's been able to keep up with speedsters since forever.

Solomon was a pretty based chad.
>So merciful to the innocent he wouldn’t even kill an ant.
>Command every bird in the world
>Made a castle entire of Glass so you can see the river underneath it.
>Exactly copied the throne of the Queen of Sheba fron a country away to court her.
>Command legions of Demons and Jinn to protect him as well as countless abd loyal soldiers.
>Build giant temples for God (God was so pleased he made a spring made of copper to help with its construction)
>His rule was so perfect that nobody knew he died until the cane that was holding him broke (because of termites).
Damn Shazam should have gotten a bit of that power.

Well to be frank Wonder Woman is never really presented that way in a lot of her appearances.
Though I know sometimes they did show her competing against some speedsters.

Why do they all have beards except for Mercury?

Does that mean Mercury is the gay one?

Ain't this from Justice? Don't think feats are canon anyway.
Wasn't BA able to race from one edge of the universe to the other edge?

>Batman MAY be wiser than Solomon
Wisdom =/= intelligence. Bruce may be a genius but that doesn't make him wise, and he makes plenty of bad calls.

Tbf Solomon can give bad advices too.

I just read Wonder Woman Year One and the gods give her basically all these powers too. Any stories where she goes toe to toe with Cap?

Power of Shazam had her arm-wrestling with Cap. Does that count?

Whose powers would he get if his magic word was "bitch"?

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They waste a lot of her potential. Specially since she became the "sword and shield girl".

Doesn't she have literally the speed of Hermes? Shouldn't they be on par?

Depends.
What theme are we going for here?

Yeah, but that was a dream sequence. I don't think Billy's ever interacted with Diana. I think it's because she's liable to try to adopt him or something.

>It's not even sensical with standard comic book logic
Sounds like the kind of thing that would work in the golden age/silver age/the 90s.

It was whimsical and funny (it was basically a kids book in some scenes). So things don't need to make a lot of sense.
Btw The Monster Society of Evil was a great book.
Mary, Tawny and Billy were all great and I really feel for them.

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>Martian Manhunter has all the powers of superman plus shapeshifting
>His first option is always telepathy which never works

I downloaded the original Monster Society of Evil arc, but haven't gotten to read it yet.
Does he actually have LIGHTNING FROM MY HANDS? Never heard of him using them.

Don't think so, he used a Zeus boost to punch one of Mister Minds Robot-thing (?) made of bugs but Johns clearly had him use it in his run.

Is he? I haven't watched the movie.

>200M
discarded and forgotten already

>strength of hercules
>speed of mercury
Diana is literally, LITERALLY stronger and faster by her original introduction.

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Well, I mean, he has the Power of Zeus, right?

MARY SUE
That solves it though

I see... I guess
I'd probably stick to golden age for reference I suppose

This isn’t even about the movie.
Manhunter gets shit on a lot and as a result many writers try to wank him off by saying “He’s stronger than Superman”. Honestly he should have more interesting stories rather than getting brushed off or “supposedly” doing something impressive.

Fair enough. But she is fast. Fast enough to catch up to a speedster entering the speedforce.

Not exactly. Her power isn't "The Speed of Hermes" like Billy. It's "Swiftness gifted from Hermes." So she's not as fast as the God of Speed.

What I’m trying to say is.
Make him more interesting so you don’t have to compare him to Supes or other DC heavy hitters.
He had that rivalry with that one New God but his name escapes me.

Diana has super speed but she usually jobs in team ups.

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Guess PG's powers aside from "flying brick" don't come up too much, either.

She makes for a great view though. And really thats really all the appeal I need.
Powers are all secondary for Peej imo.

Here is the speed chart. People usually forget how fast Wonder Woman is and how this makes the Cheetah even scarier who is supposed to have speed advantage over her.

DC Super Hero Girls did this right. The other heroines couldn't keep up with the catgirl.

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I love fanservice as much as the next guy, but makes for a better run of a character if they explore all of their options. Fun's important.

>Braver than Green Lantern (Courage of Achilles)
Action Comics Weekly #613, "Head Trip".

Abin Sur ordered the ring to bring him a man who was "totally without fear". It snagged Hal because he had the least amount of fear on Earth (and was closer to Abin than Guy was). The ring then manipulated Hal's mind and completely robbed him of the emotion, fulfilling Abin's orders.

You could pump a year's supply of Scarecrow's fear gas into a sealed chamber and it wouldn't do a thing to Hal.

Ok, they did try that with the Earth-2 Book right?
Didn’t Cheetah try to replicate the Flashes speed or was it just magic?
I think she also slept with Zoom but I forgot.

As I recall, being the mother of the child meant that one of them would gain vast wealth and power. One was alright with splitting it between the two of them while the other one, the actual mother; thought the child's life was more important than gaining said wealth and power.

Story's fucking weird anyways. Dude liked cutting shit in half.

Hercules isn't stronger than Superman
Solomon might be wiser than Batman, don't know much about DC Solomon
No idea how Zeus stacks up against Aquaman
Green Lantern is braver than Achilles
Flash is faster than Mercury
Wonder Woman has more stamina than Atlas

I just realized something.
How the hell is supes faster than the Black Racer? You’re telling me he could outrun death too?

In some forms he's faster than the reality that made him. Which would seem to transcend death.

>Not even close
Depends on the Flash

That caption for Barry Allen is fucking stupid. He's number 2 because of some bullshit in-talk with comic book producers?

>In some forms he's faster than the reality that made him.
You know I always wondered when Modern Superman turned into Goku.
Was this that moment?

Cheetah got "enhanced" by Zoom.

Diana is as fast as Speedforce users

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Those text blurbs at the bottom are a mess to say the very least.

>10. Wally West
>1. Wally West
Wow, DC didn't even bother proofreading this.

Cheetah was fast by default because godly powers but she got speedster tier speed a while ago.

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Not my Black Racer. He use to look so cool.

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>No Zoom
>Wondy even on the list
>Supes faster than Black Racer

The people at DC are fucking retarded.

I like that he possed a man to actually have a physical body gave him The Spectre vibes.
And what is up with Kirby and unconventional suits/gear?

FlashBrainlet here, isn't zoom = reverse flash?

I agree, he was pretty based.... For a jew.

Except the part with the demons.

I hate these be-all characters like wonder woman, captain marvel and shazam. They write them to be better than the specialists at what they fucking specialize in. It's a nerd dick-swinging contest.

Was Kirby watching the X-Games when he came up with this stuff?

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Comments like this usually come from people who have never read a comic book before. They just get hearsay and it makes them mad.

Diana is not better than the speedsters, she just can "keep up" with them. I think only Superman gets the best of all treatment, other overall balanced characters get the short stick from time to time.

The Reverse Flash in the speed pic is Eobard Thawne aka Professor Zoom.
Zoom is Hunter Zolomon. He styled himself after Prof. Zoom to be a villain to Wally.

There's like three Reverse Flashes but no worries.

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>Astro Harness
>Mother Box
>Mobius Chair
>”Mega-Rod”
Sometimes I wanna know where Kirby got his inspiration from.

I suppose what I'm saying is, that modern writers have such an enormous hard-on for a character that they're writing for that they get pie-eyed and can't see them as anything less than perfect. Shit is starting to read like mary sue fan fiction because they're the fuckers getting hired sometimes.

I guess it's better than Wasp getting eaten by The Blob or whatever other fucked up shit some of these depraved shits get in their head.

See, i don't get this type of shit. I'm a Batman fan and the one of the biggest reasons why i like the character is how he's never shown to be the best at everything.
I love when they have Detective Chimp around and they point out that a fucking talking chimp is a better detective than the fucking Batman. It's humbling and fun. It doesn't insult me or mess my enjoyment of the character. If anything, it makes me like him more.
I loved, for example, when Morrison's first run ended with Bruce realizing that the first truth of Batman is that he always had help.

So if Batman can be cool despite having tons of specialized character that are better than him at stuffs and will rub that fact on his face, and not only can be cool with that, but actively ask their help on stuffs, then why can't all the other DC characters be handled the same way? Why this constant dick-measuring contest between the Flashes, Superman, Captain Marvel, Wonder Woman, and so on? It make it seem that their biggest appeal are their powers.

But #10 is black.

WOW THEY JUST DIDN'T BOTHER CHECKING ON THE COLORIST'S WORK?!

Loads of imagination, unlike modern writers like Bendis and Cereal Lord.

the worm is a snake in this for some reason.

Yeah, that is my main complaint.
The designs for the villains are pretty ugly.

What do you expect consider who they have to write for? Manchildren who don't want anything new or imaginative. Just the same heroes they've been reading about for 30 years doing the same things.

I like Larfleeze.
:^)

What a pathetic thread...All those powers are nothing compared to pure intellect

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Go cry in a corner Mind.

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Has Shazam ever killed a person/friend before?
Seems like he never really went that route with his Villains.

Keep in mind that Black Racer is merely one aspect of Death, and that she's everywhere.

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I know that but I think its kind of dumb that SUPERMAN can outrun the guy.
Flashes are the exception.

Just seen Shazam. Hero has literally nothing interesting to offer without Black Adam or JSA/JLA. Shazam is interesting hero on contrast with adult heroes/villains, but just a magic copy of Superman on his own. And since WB killed shared universe, hero is dead as well. Sad actually. I'd want to see him interacting with Batman and Superman like in DCAU.

The films are so disjointed and fucked up now that we'll all probably be in assisted living by the time they could possibly recover. They could have had independent origin films for each character but NOOOOOO. We've got to have the Justice League film right now and spend our load right now. Dumb motherfuckers thought they had to directly compete with Marvel rather than just doing their own thing.

Their only chance now is to do Justice League: Dark with characters like Zatanna, Constantine, Etrigan etc. and maybe, MAYBE reboot the fucker hoping people forget about the prior fiasco.

Huh, What would a JLD movie look like?

Well, since it typically involves magic? You could actually bring Shazam back into the picture in some way. I'm just spitballing here but goddamn, a JLD movie has a shitload of potential.

Who would you cast then user?
A good movie has to have a good cast.

>Dumb motherfuckers thought they had to directly compete with Marvel rather than just doing their own thing.
Not marvel, Disney. Marvel was never a threat. It could be literally any franchise, marvel just had cheapest clowns to offer. You can crush marvel any day, but if it's backed by Mouse, you have no chance.
>Their only chance now is to do Justice League: Dark with characters like Zatanna, Constantine, Etrigan etc.
No, DC brand is damaged beyond repair. This will be trashed and ridiculed even before release. Also people doesn't give a fuck about these characters. The only chance for DC to recover is wait for 10-20 years and reboot everything.

I don't tend to keep up with that kind of shit. I'm on Yea Forums so I bloody well know I'll catch shit for trying to cast any white people. Bringing back Keanu Reeves actually wouldn't be a very bad idea for Constantine. More of a poetic license on the comics for sure but then you could go really dark.

The animated film was good, at least I thought. Could really just mirror that in some way other than making it way more messed up.

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J’obb

Buh-buh BASED

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>J’obb J’onzz, Martian Manjobber

Calling him SHAZAM still sucks though.

Though I guess an in universe explanation can be made if he does the "say shazam over and over while holding his opponent over his head" deal while the media are present.

Well, his friend calling him a "marvelous captain" or something during the film would have been on par with finding out how Han Solo got his last name.

Nobody gives a shit at this point and the people who would like that included are out of their fucking minds anyways.

>the people who would like that included are out of their fucking minds anyways.
Wanting it and thinking it can happen aren't the same thing.

PG is shit without her slutty body goals.

don’t be salty, Clark

Yup, just as doom.

That is a very specific explanation there Sivana.

Yes, let's blame bendis' body of work on the fans.

Didn’t the Flash run faster than time itself at various points?

I'm not crazy about her messy origins, but that aside, nope.

Mercury was a psychopomp. He ain't gonna give a shit about time.

What are some of the best Cap Marvel comics?
Do I just read all the stuff beginning from the 40s up to the 50s?

Got some really old recs from 2013

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What are you talking about? Bendis tried to change Superman a lot and it fucking sucked

I've heard someone explain that even tho Billy's powers are basically just buffs, they are mostly active abilities. He doesn't have the Wisdom of Soloman all the time, he has to actually focus on using it

Solomons wisdom is wonky but the rest aren't really active abilities.
Billy can get shot by bullets just fine without thinking about it.

Nah. Wisdom of Solomon is active all the time. Fucks up his life sometimes cause of it

Zeus amplifies the other powers

I always thought WISDOM in this context would mean like knowing the right thing to do in complex moral situations.

Not SMART

I think most of us already know that user.

Its been a long running gag if you can call it a gag with the old guard of dc that captain marvel is stronger then superman which is why you used to see him go toe to toe with superman every so often and usually get the upper hand before sum mcguffin broke it up.

That bothers you? I´m more conflicted to the fact that Achilles got one, he is suppose to be a prettyboy.

He's also stealing the color from his left boot!

If this was a modern comic, it would take 5 issues to do the same amount of things.

Two gods
One titan
Two greek heroes
And a hebrew king.

I like cyborg 009 he is super fast but it has its setbacks. He is so fast that the friction it creates burns any object he came in contact with, so he can't just grab people to take them out of danger.

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Nice quints.
Also, why is his name cyborg 009?

Titans are gods, and Hercules is half God, Pretty sure Achilles has some God in him too.

Achilles was a demigod yes, Herc graduated to god.

Titans are basically gods, yes. But they are more like an intermediary between god and primordial forces.
At least that's what I think.

Poor user. PG sucks.

Who the hell is HSZAMA?

There was once a time when Shazam was actually called Shazamo

>Not even close
That's dead wrong. Billy can keep pace with some of the flashes even beyond what supes can do.

I wish

What's wrong with family helping you out?

Because he is a cyborg, and there are nine of them, and he is number 9

That manga was back in 60s 70 ish, people werent that creative back then

>Braver than Green Lantern(Courage of Achilles)

They really should had chosen some better mythological figure for this, being brave when 99% of your body is impervious to all weapons is pretty easy.

You still feel fear responses to things you know you're invulnerable to. Its why people freak out when they walk on glass floors or sky dive or bungee jump -- they know they're safe, but their bodies are still responding to the fear.

>Superman has always kicked hercules ass
>Aquaman is not a very powerful superhero compared than others
>Probably a lot of green lanterns have more courage (and will) than achilles
>Flash had a race with hermes and won. Also hermes > mercury in dc mythology

I always wondered...do you think Mercury has access to the Speedforce?

if flash ( although not the case of jay) had not access to the speedforce would not have powers...it would be a normal john doe vs captain marvel

...since when was Wonder Woman's defining power her stamina? You're kind of forcing that, buddy.

Is he though? Didn't Hermes get his ass kicked by Mercury? Or was that after him losing his strength? I can't remember.

I do remember Hermes getting knocked around by the Creeper though.

That's ridiculous,no one is invulnerable to anything. Of course people freak out because there is an actual chance you might die from this shit. Accidents happen.

is common sense that a virtue of the amazons is their stamina so they can rape the sailors non stop until they are pregnant

greek gods usually are more powerful than they romans counterparts on DC because muh wonder woman

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That's not how Neutron bombs work.

Going by Whiz comics #2, isn't the Wizard Shazam dead already?

Justice Vol. 2, page 82-83

In the CN Tower in Toronto there is a floor made of glass. To walk on it and look down is to look down at a thousand foot drop. Crowds of people hang out to the side of it, daring each other to step on and being terrified as they walk across it. All this despite the fact that the floor is, according to all the various signs around it, much safer and more heavily reinforced than the non-glass floor surrounding it.

What I'm trying to express is that the fear people have when they stand at the edge of a plane ready to jump out - especially for rookies - isn't the fear that their parachute isn't going to open. It's the fear that they're going to jump out of a plane. It doesn't matter that they're relatively safe - their fear response is still going off.

Sure Captain Marvel may not be able to get hurt by the giant squiggly monster-beast plunging towards him at the speed of sound, but that doesn't mean it's not scary.

>But Superman MAY be stronger than Hercules
I doubt it
according to Greek mythology: Shook the universe by shaking his head. Zeus, not holding back, disturbed Chaos and was described as "Heaven and earth crashing together". His lightning bolts created fires that melted the universe to destroy the gigantes. Was part of the Titanomachy, a war between the Olympians and Titans that caused the "Boundless Sea" to ring. Greeks prior to the Hellenistic period believed the Earth was surrounded by an infinite ocean. Fought and bested Typhon who was much larger than our Earth)
vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Zeus_(Myth)
vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Heracles/Hercules_(Myth)

>Would still get his ass beat by Alien X

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I've always seen Captain Marvel's powers as being so great because they're all very magical. It's not that he has a certain amount of strength or speed or whatever that you can necessarily quantify, but rather him being strong and fast is a part of his living meta-myth and so he'll subconsciously be able to be as strong or as fast as he needs to be and it sort of makes sense because its literally fucking magic.

That's why I'm also a fan of all the canon where Billy is a big fan of superman, because I'm pretty sure Billy has no idea how strong or how fast Hercules and Mercury are, but he sure as hell knows how strong and fast Superman is, so when he magically transforms, his baseline sort of just sets itself to be at that level, and can fly too, just like his idol. Heck, you could even say that's why his Captain Marvel form looks just like his dad -- because he transforms into a hero, and his dad and superman are both role models to Billy.

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Wisdom =/= Intelligence

Since then the only things to add would be Thunderworld and Convergence: SHAZAM

Maybe the new book, I still haven't checked it out.

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Literally anyone but shit like 5th dimensionals or gag characters would get beaten by X