HE SAID THE THING

Is this an actual panel from the book? What even is this art?

>title drop
KING DOES IT AGAIN! EVENT OF THE YEAR!

So King wrecks Batman and now Flash.

Who's next? I know it's going to be an somewhat obscure character. I just hope it isn't one i like.

Don't forget Booster. Ever since he used Booster in Batman the character has been nothing but depression/crazy man.

I like crazy booster, better than Boring booster whose exist in a superposition state where his character development happened.

Oh fuck, I had forgotten about that until now.
What the fuck is wrong with King? Depression and ptsd claims can only go so far. The fucker's got some serious issues.

Fuck you. King's Booster is terrible. He's a brain-dead moron who can't do anything and is constantly self-pitying himself.

That's a better Booster to me than boring serious Booster who demands respect.

I'd rather have funny self-serving Booster, thank you.

>We will never have Post-52/Pre-New 52 Booster back
I guess he technically finished his development in Convergence

Shit on the writing all you want, but the art is great.

Wally solo when?

I don't know but correct me if I'm wrong but the message I got from Heroes in Crisis is that therapy is fucked up and that it can't help you which leads me to believe King hasn't been in any type of therapy ever. Still it's a horrible message.

King thinks destroying beloved characters is art therapy and that angering countless people is somehow better than actually seeking professional help

Not anytime soon.

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In general, yes, but that panel looks off.

Mann probably just gave up and phoned it in.

Wally solo when?

Fifty bucks says King an heroes his way out of life instead of seeking help over the paper cuts he got being a CIA desk jockey.

Wouldn't we all?

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I think he's projecting his own fucked up views on therapy in HiC.

Ted is a manlet

LET WALLY HAVE HIS FUCKING FAMILY BACK!

I don't even like Wally's kids but if it's an all-or-nothing thing, I'll take them.

You don't get it, this is what Wally needs

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>looks like this truly is the final crisis

grant morrison is a hack

>Wally NEEDED to become a psychotic murderer and off himself, don't you understand? We all benefit from this.

this is a poor argument comic sales are down across the board especially for DC

God no

Why bring him back just to shit on him and make him a murderer? Who wanted any of this?

Dark Knights Metal sold better than this crap.

I benefit by not having to see Wally West in comics anymore
I don't benefit because Wally's fans are even more incensed to hate on Barry and other characters now

I hate his fucking kids.

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Do you really think that king has received a single death threat?

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>AT&T's Warner Bros. Detective Comics Comics HEROES IN CRISIS™!

Why Scott Snyder sells so much?
The funny thing is, if Snyder wanted, he could right now be running DC just by throwing his weight around. Because the dude is easily the best selling writer they currently have.
But Snyder's a huge pussy and a pushover.

It’s literally his fetish.

Chris Claremont has mind control, corruption, tf, and dominatrixs.

King has PSTD, Suicide, misery, and mental illness.

Because they're faggoty marvel drones from tumblr and are heavily biased against le evil trump voting DC fans

Just look at the board content
>most waifu threads feature marvel women
>purposely defend ladderbro and his shitty Yea Forums garbage
>purposely defend MCU circlejerks
>defend pro Disney Twitter cap threads

It wasn't Mann, that was done by Mitch Gerads. Still looks pretty shit compared to Mann's art.

1. Batman. Snyder uses Batman and Joker ALOT. Batman Readers (which are a lot) will literally buy anything with Batman and Joker.

2. He’s inoffensive. Inoffensive in that he doesn’t rock the bloat or status quo TOO MUCH. Other than Brainic 5, Snyder has never really turned a hero into a serial killer like King has with Wally. He’s never hyped up a wedding and then never went through with it. He just makes big dumb events where good capes punch bad guys.

Ah, my bad. Mann did the other issues.

Argument for what? You brought up sales first.

I prefer the interpretation that he included himself in the "we" and was forced to take part in this crap as an employee and that he actually hates this as much as us.

Just have Linda get her right mind and memories back. Then Wally and her retire to make babies and try to bring back the kids that way. They get reborn as babies and don't get magically aged up this time.

People still want Wally/Linda after the shitty way Rebirth dealt with it?

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People still want Clark/Lois after the shitty way New 52 dealt with it?

Linda got her mind and memories fucked over by Barry Allen and Manhattan fucking with reality. As we said, give her her right mind and memories back first.

Based on how Mr.Miracle ended, I think that King believes that the only valid way to overcome trauma is to reject reality and live in a fake one.

That being said,King has issues. Wally losing control of his powers and accidentally killing everyone is bad, but could be forgiven. King had Wally cover up the crime, tamper with dead bodies to plant evidence and attempt to frame two people as part of some elaborate suicide gambit.

Even worse, most of the characters who died were people Wally knew and members of the Titans, a team that he helped start.

This is some insane character assassination and I'm not sure how Wally gets salvaged after this.

Why were Wally's kids so hated by fans?
Doesn't Linda remember Wally and want nothing to do with him? I remember that he tried to restore her memories in Titans.

People still want MJ/Peter after OMD and all the shit in Slott's run.

I do, yeah. I still hate King's shitty comics but that doesn't mean I can't believe someone told him they wanted him dead and gone.

Just say he was posessed by Speedstor, an evil entity born in the Speed Force or some shit like that, Geoff Johns told me it works.

CURSE YOU, SPEEDSTOR!

>Doesn't Linda remember Wally and want nothing to do with him? I remember that he tried to restore her memories in Titans.
The real Linda would never reject Wally if she had her full mind and memories back.

Funny, fans don't consider bad writers trying to kill off long established fan favorite relationships valid.

This but unironically.

>Funny, fans don't consider bad writers trying to kill off long established fan favorite relationships valid.
What?

We want(ed) Peter and MJ, Clark and Lois, and Wally and Linda back together, regardless of bad writers trying to destroy them.

No, it's The Gentry. This is all leading into Multiversity Too.

I can't believe they brought Wally back for this.

That's the thing though, a lot of therapy is fucked up.

I've personally been in a psych ward (basically was depressed for a long time and made the wrong comments to people) and it was basically, "alright, show up to the group shit and don't say you'll hurt yourself and we'll put you back into the world." nothing actually helpful, nothing seemed genuine or like they actually cared about you fixing your life and getting back together, just shoving a band aid on it so you can go back to being a cog.

If the mental health treatments in our country were actually effective do you think we'd have as many mass shootings, addicts, or other shit going on?

Sorry, I've been up for almost two days straight.

That's was your experience with therapy but that doesn't mean that it's always like that or that it doesn't work.

>If the mental health treatments in our country were actually effective do you think we'd have as many mass shootings, addicts, or other shit going on?
I think that you're assuming that all of those people look for help before they do the shit that they do.

I can't believe they brought back Wally period like who thought that was a good idea?
>here's a character that has no place in the current universe
>lets jam him in for nostalgia wank
If you wanted Wally then you would want a more organic approach.

I blame the black Wally

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>King Stans on suicide watch

I blame Robert Venditti. You can't just set up Iris going to Barry to mentor Black Wally like that when at the time Iris was a non-entity to Barry.
Seriously tho, all this mess could be traced back to how Iris had a serious case of designated love interest where writers didn't had the imperative to set up any kind of relationship with Barry and Iris.

HiC is actually one of the few comics that actually show what therapy is like.
There is no magic therapist speech that delivers breakthroughs, you have to work for progress.

>you have to work for progress.
>HiC is actually one of the few comics that actually show what therapy is like.
You are contradicting yourself.

What do you mean?

Agreed. I'm not calling Manapul's Flash stellar but there was a total crash in quality when he swapped out with Venditti.

Reminder that Manapul wanted to bring Wally West into the book, but DC said no. Also they wanted Iris to be drawn browner.

There are literally recent events like Doomsday Clock and Metal that show this is badly selling. Fuck it's like even with JL vs Suicide Squad which is barely even an event.

Fucking editorial ruins everything.

We don't see any of the heroes doing anything other than bitch about the problems (some of which didn't exist until King decided that they did). Take a look at Wally, what did he have to work through? Where was the support that the therapist is supposed to provide?
The "therapy" that we saw was simulations of what his family would be like if it was still here and a robot asking him why he wants to be with his family, now I'm not an expert, but I'm pretty fucking sure that this is not how you deal with this problem and even more so when the simulations show a better reality than what he has to deal with.

Wally and Linda is like the best relationship in comics. Shame barely anyone but a scant few wallyfags even really know about how good it is.

>We don't see any of the heroes doing anything other than bitch about the problems
That's therapy.

Venditti has said Black Wally was forced on him. He was not a part of Venditti's script and editorial just said "include this black teenager and make him like this."

Black Wally and everything about him is Dan Didio's idea.

No it's not. Therapy is a lot more about the therapist working with the patient. Sanctuary's AI doesn't do any of that. It's just a weird holodeck wish fulfillment machine.

Reminds me of Ralph and Sue Dibny.
Oh... wait.

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That's actually where you're wrong kiddo, both Lagoon Boy and Gnarrk was responding to the VR therapy and were actually making breakthroughs.

Did you just ignore the rest of my post? Where was the progress being made by the heroes to overcome their problems? Where was the therapists to help them through that progress? What were the measures to ensure that whatever Sanctuary showed the heroes didn't trigger some sort of psychotic break?
And again, Wally's """problem""" wasn't him being depressed or him being hooked to drugs, his reality was erased from fucking existence and he now has to deal with living in a reality where his family doesn't exist and he (and Batman if I remember correctly, but who the fuck is going to go talk to Bruce to deal with mental issues) is the only one that remembers any of it, and what was the therapy again?
"Why do you miss your family?" "Why are you here Wally?"

And what happened to them? They were killed by another patient because the therapy didn't do jackshit for him and only made things worse.

>King telling people therapy doesn't work
>Some dumbass somewhere will take it to heart
>Not get therapy when they legit need it
>Person eventually goes apeshit, possibly murderous

Good job, King.

Dan Didio big idea with the New 52 was to reboot the comics so they could come up with a modernized DC that could be synergized across the board. So everything from live action movies, to live action series, to cartoons, to games, to whatever the fuck else would be just like New 52. So it was imperative everything is kept simple and for the editors to basically force things on writers.

That's when a lot of things started to go wrong because the writers started to get pissy about having to redo shit constantly for the stupid editors that always change their minds and on the cinematic side of things a lot of people were angry they couldn't do whatever they want and instead had to obey certain guidelines like inserting SMWW. So that created a lot of in-fighting everywhere.

>Black kid that can run fast

Real progressive there, Didio.

>They were killed by another patient because the therapy didn't do jackshit for him and only made things worse
Because Wally didn't put the work in.

They did that just because they wanted to be one step-ahead of the TV show.

>Dan Didio big idea with the New 52 was to reboot the comics so they could come up with a modernized DC that could be synergized across the board.
Citation needed.

He DID put the work in, it only fucked him up even harder.
Work on your bait next time.

Go Google the whole "DC Entertainment" thing that started being pushed together with the New 52. That's what the reboot was all about. Didio and Nelson working together.

Its kinda obvious from the animated films to well....everything Cyborg

B-but everybody loves Cyborg! That's why they throw him into EVERYTHING!

>synergized across the board

Lol he didn't even reboot GL or Batman. It wasn't about synergizing. It was about a quick sales grab. That's why the two series that had strong sales didn't get a reboot.

>Go Google
Just proving the point that a citation is needed.

Dan Didio doesn't have any real power.

Feels awful, man.

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Based

>Lol he didn't even reboot GL or Batman
Did you miss the part where Batman didn't know who Hal was?

Okay, go check the turbulent production of the JLA cartoon.

Didn’t the Secret Six book brought them back together again?

DC doesn't do anything creative with Cyborg since they put him on the JL. Justice League Oddessy is decent but it feels like irrelevant,

The only thing good that came out of his promotion to the JL was Cyborg leaving the Titansfranchise which the writers are determined to cull(Wally was used for this purpose).

It's better if you don't know, but here's a tip: it involves more rape.

Kinda but who even read that secret six?

You're not helping your case when you send to look for the supposed information.

>Big dumb events where good capes punch bad guys
This is what fans want. You can't go wrong its the bread and butter of comics.

What about this one, user?

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I just don't care enough to copy-paste this shit for your benefit. If you want to know more about it, you can Google. I already pointed out the directions.

I think so, but we still had to deal with Identity Crisis. Granted either aren't huge names like Wally but married couples seem doomed in comics. Looking at you, OMD.

Speaking of marriages, has anything ever happened with Jay and Joan? They're seriously the only married couple that hasn't been fucked with if I recall, barring the whole "trapped in limbo/DClock purgatory" gig going on right now.

Did you forget the part where Snyder and Johns literally kept doing everything they were doing as if nothing changed besides the numbering?

JL Origin was a flashback anyhow. JL got rebooted. GL and Batman did not. You can't do a reboot and still be on your fourth robin.

The New 52 Earth 2 versions broke up in like their first appearance, but they don't really count.

I'd put good money though Joan is going to be dead(of old age) when Jay and rest of the JSA comeback.

>those nipples

I don't say this often but god bless the 90s.

>more rape
What? Did she get double raped?
If so, God why?

Nice familial banter in MY comics? Blasphemy!
Those were the days. I fear we'll never see it again.

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She got date raped by the the Riddler. Yes, The Riddler.

>More death
Time for Jay to go on a murderspree! The sad part is that I seriously wouldn't put it past DC at this time.

I mean everyone did love him in the Teen Titans cartoons, but they’ve made really no effort to translate that version of the character to other mediums, and at this point I don’t want them to try.

>Date raped by the riddler
Ew, why would Nygma even do that?

Did he get a magical lobotomy too?

I thought was a part of Simone’s weird fetish shit though? Or was she only into vore?

Johns is delaying DClock to protect them

Yeah we don't need another character bastardized.

>HiC is actually one of the few comics that actually show what therapy is like.
Kys King

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Comic relief doofus rarely translates well to solo comic. It's the same reason the topic du jour, Wally West, isn't every really like his relatively minor goofball self in the JL cartoon despite that version being very popular.

You can't be the main character and the comic relief when the company is trying to build the character up as a major hero who can stand on their own. Not that DC is succeeding in that without making him go BOOYA all the time.

As far as I know she only likes Giantess, Vore and Muscular Gay men posing.

That's exactly what Marvel did with Starlord and Antman

Cyborg wasn't really the comic relief doofus in the show, he was funny but still competent. The whole 'man or monster' angsty version of Cyborg is how he started out in the comics,but he did mellow out with time and become less angsty. DC just keeps going back to the angsty version for some reason.

Those aren't really major characters in the comics though.

There goes Barry ruining Wally's life again.

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King is the anti-vaxxer of therapy.

In the end, the real crisis was the heroes we met along the way.

I'm sure it is, little buddy.

ohboyherewego

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Considering what they've done to Wally, I seriously think that Jay should just stay dead for a good while longer.

Johns is keeping our boi safe.

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Given Halfags back in the day, I entirely believe a bunch of retards did it.

This. Snyder is basically writing Dragon Ball Super with Justice League characters except only the villains get permanent powerups.

Wally is not a hero. Heroes don't freak out and commit mass murder because they're sad.

Are you forgetting who wrote those 2 books at the time?

Or desecrate bodies and try to pin the blame on others.

Not even Eobard would do that shit.

Yeah he would, you fucking kidding me that shit?

Eobard would brutally rape them and go back in time and do it again.
Just to say “I fucked them twice!”

He didn't really desecrate any of the bodies though.

Return of Barry Allen was so fucking good

>Doesn't Linda remember Wally and want nothing to do with him? I remember that he tried to restore her memories in Titans.
He decided against giving her the old timeline memories for some dumb reasoning after discussing it with Superdad

That is stupid. Just do it whats the worse that could happen?

No and anyone claiming otherwise is a lying faggot or shill. Did you ever once see Bendis reporting he got a death threat for aging up Jon? You didn't? Well that's because at least Bendis isn't some crybaby cuck that makes up shit for attention. I wouldn't doubt if this faggot made up his PTSD. Most people who I know who have it (come from a military family) are ashamed of it and will go at great lengths to hide it. King is suffering from what those in the army call, tiny heart syndrome, aka a bitch.

>Other than Brainic 5
When did Snyder write Brainiac 5? Or are you thinking of Vril who Snyder mistakingly thinks calls himself Brainiac 2?

With these writers, the most negative and/or outlandish outcome that destroys every character involved.

Ultra instinct Wally when?

I don't remember, I think Superdad convinced him that if she really loved him in the old reality, she'd love him in the new one if they got to know each other.

Isn’t God Speed basically Flash Blanco?

Godspeed is Ultra Instinct Shaggy.

Maybe Wally is the El Grande Padre of the Speed Force?