Which superhero has the best rogue's gallery?

Spider-Man or Batman have the best rogues gallery.

Superman's is pretty bad, and I think Captain America's is pretty weak, too, since the nature of the character encourages a sort of tired dichotomy in which, if he represents everything that's good about America, then all of his enemies must be the exact opposite (i.e. Nazis and, to a lesser extent home-grown racists).

Luthor and Crossbones are both cool, though.

But who has the better bystander?

>Superman's is pretty bad

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>Worst
X-Men

90% of spidey's villains belong to Daredevil, though.

Sorry, man. I'm open to having my mind changed, but it seems pretty thin to me. Luthor, Zod, and Brainiac are pretty cool; I like Darkseid and the Crime Syndicate of America, but they don't belong in Superman's rogues gallery, strictly speaking, right? And Bizarro and Cyborg are both just literal retards. Who does that leave?

Superman's isn't bad, it's just had some poor showings. In particular, Byrne did the Superman rogues gallery dirty by making pretty much all of them non-threats to Superman.

The political statement of Cap villains worked under Gruenwald because they weren't a dichotomy, they were a villainous representation of a variety of political positions.

It is, dumb Superfag. Big brute monster #23456 isn't a good villain.

Toyman, Livewire, Manchester Black, Metallo, and Prankster off the top of my head.

... No they don't.

Ah, I forgot about Metallo. That guys alright, but I feel like the rest are pretty weak. DC reuses the trickster/clown/man-child cliche so damn much, and with some rare exception it was never especially interesting to me in the first place.

Parasite, Silver Banshee

But there are big-brain villains too.
Some of them pretty crazy too like Mxyzptlk.

Yeah, I guess that's my experience with Superman. It never seems like there's any real peril. Maybe if they made him a little more stupid or something, that might rebalance things a bit.

Regarding Cap, except for a few scattered issues I'm not that familiar with Gruenwald's work. That sounds interesting, though.

Prankster had an amazing revamp in the mid-00s that turned him into a distraction for hire. You pay him money and he'll throw out the biggest, most obnoxious rampage across a city while you go ahead and commit your crime. Unfortunately no one really used it outside Superman comics, and with Prankster being a less used villain that iteration didn't get much play.

Wish prankster looks like his old appearance.
I like the idea but he looks pretty bad and lanky.

Superman has great villains. Heck, his villains and supporting cast are the best parts of Superman comics. Same thing for Batman

Shazam villains.
Yay or Nay?

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>Best
Green Lantern
>Worst
Aquaman

Going back to Byrne, most of his stories were more akin to mysteries or whodunnits, and once that was solved Superman just swoops in and deals with the bad guy without issue. It's not necessarily a bad way to write a Superman story, it's just bad when you make it a formula. The "Superman's power must always be maximum" mentality of writers and fans is a different issue, though tied in with what I just mentioned, that is boring at best and downright insulting at worst. Fortunately a decent chunk of comic writers are clever enough to not reduce conflicts down to brute force, work around Superman's powers, or have his powerlevel work on the needs of the plot.

Is Byrne Superman good?
I heard something about turning Lex into a more Mogul-like villain than a straight-up evil scientist.

It's middle of the road. Byrne should've never started writing. Not everybody is Miller.

Black Adam, Captain Nazi and Dr.Sivana are the only good ones. So his gallery is nay.

Manta alone gives Aquaman a lot of points

DC
Marvel citizens are retarded

I like the sleaze-core look far better than the original.

He's got a handful of standouts backed by a strong showing of good villains, but if you take the entire Marvel Family villain roster as a whole it's got a bunch of dead weight and crappy characters.

No Mister Mind?
Aside from Manta what other Aquaman villains would you like to explore and expand upon?

>Black Adam
>Mr. Mind
>crocodiles in seersucker suits

Say no more, I'm on board.

Did Nippo and Mr.Who make a comeback in any other Shazam! titles?

>would you like to explore and expand upon?
I would do some mythological stuff since his origin is kinda Greek. Atlantis and all. Kraken,

Now hold on a second there, people are always sleeping on Tony's rogues because half the time they get shafted in favor of Mandarin or some one off commie general that's never seen again. They're nowhere near the top of the list but they're definitely not at the bottom of the barrel with Wondy's rogues.

Kraken ain't Greek though.
But yes more mythological stuff would be nice. (Are Atlanteans Homo Magi related?)

>bottom of the barrel
>Wondy rogues
Half of Tony's rogues can be described as "guy in an armored suit that does one thing well, but not as well as Tony after their first appearance."

Yeah I forgot to delete Kraken
my bad . I would still make him fight the Kraken

Strange’s rogue gallery is underrated

Wonder Woman has Ares and Cheetah. There are Justice League regulars like Martian Manhunter that most people couldn't name a single villian for

Nereus, King Shark and Fisherman.

>"guy in an armored suit that does one thing well, but not as well as Tony after their first appearance."
You forgot chronic Alcoholism.

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Aquaman's villains have gotten a lot of love and attention since Nu52 and it's great.

>It seems thin
If you can actually name three of his villians he's far and away above most. Pretty much only Batman, Spiderman and Flash have more than 3 interesting and well known villians

>Kingpin, Electro (not seen in DD since the 60s), Punisher
>90%

This level of plebbitude should be ban-worthy.

King Shark was the only one I know that got expanded.
Haven't seen anything from Nereus and Fisherman.
What stories were they in and how were the characters explored?

Best
>DC
Batman
The Flash

>Marvel
Spider-Man
X-Men

Batman has the best, by far. Both in terms of quality and receiving recognition from normies.

The worst is probably Hourman. The closest thing he had to an archenemy was Dr. Clegg in his original run (who wasn't even named in his debut), then fought a bunch of generic mad scientists and then Dr. Togg, a one-shot golden age villain who returned in the 1999 series and eventually reformed. Amazo has also appeared a lot, but is more of a JLA villain.

Nereus is a Nu52 creation. Ocean Master was completely revamped and massively improved upon as a character, Scavenger got revamped, Deadwater was introduced, as was NEMO and a new Black Jack.

I reread Starman a few days ago. I think the rogues there are good but most of them are JSA Villains rather than his own.
Did a similar thing happen with Hourman? Did he just fight forgotten JSA villains?

>Manchester Black
He showed up once before getting his powers cut off. If you're counting him then you might as well count Microwave Man.

>a new Black Jack
What does he look like? Pirate right?
>NEMO
Whats that?

Yeah. He's mostly fought guest villains from other heroes and a few one-arc new villains. Togg was a genuine 1940s foe, but only made one appearance back then and didn't stay evil in the modern age. He seriously looks like Dr. Wiley from Mega-Man.

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Two appearances in Superman and a posthumous appearance in JLE pre-Flashpoint, and two or three post-Flashpoint.

NEMO is a criminal organization dedicated to taking over the world by controlling and manipulating ocean-going trade. As for Black Jack, see pic.

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DC. Marvel civilians are imbeciles. "Hurr durr we live in a universe of godlike entities, super powered madmen and aliens who want to literally eat us for lunch so lets get rid of the only people who can prevent that."

Thor. he has the best balance of god foes and street level ones

>Wonder Woman rogues
>bad

Ares,Circe,Cheetah and Dr Psycho are all great.

what heroes have only ONE villain?

I am thinking of Pym and Ultron

>Superman is pretty bad
>Lex Luthor
>Brainiac
>ToyMan
>Bizarro
>Mister Mxyzptlk
>General Zod
>Parasyte

Superman got one of the best and most iconic villains in fiction.

Come on, man. Nobody cares about them other than Luthor or Zod.

eh, only Lex, Brainiac and maybe Zod is iconic. Zod may be iconic in a while

Read all of John's Aquaman run. Black Manta is basically turned into a slasher villain without being needlessly edgy like Snyder's Joker.

Toyman is a joke villain. 99% of the tine, Parasite is another dumb monster. Zod is another generic Kryptonian for Superman to punch. Nobody would've cared if he wasnt in a couple of movies. Brainiac has been recommend a thousand times to make him work.

retconned*

>Bizarro
>Brainiac
>no one cares
They are more famous than any Spider-Man villain except Goblin and Venom

Most of her Golden Age and a decent chunk of her post-SA foes are fairly solid villains.

>Spider-Man villain except Goblin and Venom
he thinks they are the only famous Spider-Man villains

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Starman and Shade, not sure if you can call Shade a villain. but...

Don't forget
>Doomsday
>Atomic Skull

Superman's villains have influenced even japanese manga, what are you talking about? They are legendary.
>b-b-but meme off bro...I th-
Well you thought wrong idiot.

>Superman's villains have influenced even japanese manga
Yes, that's the mark of quality, and not having defining stories.

Honestly the problem with iron man and his villains is the fact that ever since demon in a bottle tony has pretty much cemented himself as his own worst enemy that the others really can't compete and the one that almost did or had ended up dead and still aren't back except for the mandrian. Its not that he doesn't have good ones it just none of them have ever left a big scar on tony bigger then the ones he gives himself.

Apart from Doc Ock I totally agree with him.

I gonna be the guy who says marvel not because the length they go to try and reason why there superheroes are assholes is just hilarious that and when done right can tell a pretty good story.

Ignore the not i put in there for some reason.

Can't forget Sandman and Rhino.

>Rhino
Meh, he's not that well known.

>Wonder Woman
Giganta, Ares and Angle Man are based
>Iron Man
Mandarin, Ghost and Fing Fang Foom are based

Firestorm has probably the worst but I'm ready to be proofed wrong

Who's Angle Man?

Italian Gentleman Thief with the power of spatial manipulation. Meaning he can left to right, teleport and make his enemies fall to the sky.

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>Italian Gentleman Thief with the power of spatial manipulation. Meaning he can left to right, teleport and make his enemies fall to the sky.
Jesus, that sounds like a really interesting powerset.
Is he used often? Sounds like he's stupidly underrated.

Other way around

He is used surprisingly rare despite having a lot of potential. He used his power once against the Young Justice team by turning the hirizontal line upside down making them all far to the right , thankfully he is not an asshole. Merely a thief that likes to show off. If DC is gonna use hin again they really should play his gentleman thief persona up making hin a supreme thief ala Arsene Lupin. Being able to steal everything no matter how impossible it seems.

Daredevil's rogue gallery is surprisingly shit.
>Kingpin
>Bullseye
>Gladiator
All the villains worth a damn

>Toyman is a joke villain
I did not expect this thread to make me this angry.

Agreed on Zod tho.

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Or
>Metallo

>Amazing individually
>Amazing as a group

I love these lads.

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>imagine being so popular your name enters the common lexicon as a term for a smart person
>anonymous poster on a cambodian hat making forum says nobody cares about you

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God I love weather wizard

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Bizzaro is also informally used to describe someone that acts unnaturally opposite.
So I guess thats 2 wins for supes.

He's the one I haven't read any stories where he's the main rogue, but he is fun with the gang and I like his design. Something about him pompously waving that wand is amazing to me. Can you recommend me some of his best stories? I'm reading Waid's run already so if there's any there, I'll check it out soon.

I keep hearing this, but who does he even have beyond mordo and dormmamu?

Shuma

Dc sooo dark

Marvel because make more sense

eXcept when it comes to mutants for some reason.

He has his own story in john’s run, but like most rouges he’s at his best with the rest of them

Miller suck ass

Well that true

I like Teen Titan's rogue gallery.

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Personal Top 10
1. Batman
2.Spiderman
3. Flash
4. Superman
5. Fantastic 4
6. Captain America (Though the different flavors of fascists and communists can be tiring)
7. Captain Marvel (Sivana and his family carries them)
8.Green Lantern
9. X-Men
10. JSA
Does Martian Manhunter even have a rogues gallery?

>Martian Manhunter
White Martians and a Fat Guy with a Flame Thrower

Why does everyone post Batman as the best?

Aside from The Joker, who else is there? The fucking Penguin?

...

Lord Deathman
Scarecrow
Bane
Ra's Al Ghul
The Riddler
Catwoman
Mothman
Hugo Strange
And Cobblepot is based.

Please read some comics.

Uuuhh, Malefa'ak, white Martians and Kanto?

Like less than half weren’t original Shazam villains though. Oom, Mr. Who, Remula and the one chick were villains of the all star squadron.

Typhoid Mary
Jester
Owl
Stilt-Man
Mister Fear

Poison Ivy
Mr Freeze
Two-Face
Mad Hatter
Clayface
Killer Croc
Black Mask
Firefly
Ventriloquist
Victor Zsasz
KGBeast

...Ratcather

NEMO is good but don't forget about The Deluge. Aquaman also has a third organization to fight against... some human government operation whos job it is to study(and plunder) Atlantis technology and magic. The name of the organization escapes me.

If you asked the average person on the street I think they would be able to list more Batman villians than any other heroes.

I'd say the average non comic reader could probably name 5 - 6 batman villians. Maybe 2 - 3 for Spiderman and Superman. And maybe struggle a few out for a few bigger heroes.

I think the average person would struggle to name villians for even bigger characters like ironman or wonderwoman

What makes Batman so special though.
Why do we remember his rogues more than any other?

Oversaturation of Batman

Pic related, also applies to many, many other galleries

Kanto is pretty based

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It's a shame that most people will conflate "I liked the stories these villains were in" with "these are good villains". Mr. Freeze is fucking retarded, but he had that nice BTAS ep, and got decent treatment in the comics in the modern era, so now he's a "good" villain. Basically all of Batman's villains are like this, almost without exception. Very few of them stop being fucking retarded conceptually, no matter how well written they might be at times. This goes for an overwhelming majority of golden and silver age villains, honestly. Some manage to wind up being pretty damn good in spite of it, like Mr. Mind or Dr. Doom, who don't rely on particularly good writing to be compelling/entertaining villains, but yeah, most villains NEED that good writing, or else they're just clowns in suits. Guys like Sandman or Penguin who are ostensibly ridiculous until given real character and pathos. They don't suddenly become good villains, they just become better written. I, for instance, really like the Top, I like how completely outrageous they went with him, with the mind powers, and all that crazy shit, but I would hesitate to really call him a good villain.

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Batman is just such a big character that some of his villians became really iconic. Joker and Harley Quinn are both instantly recognizable. Catwoman is basically the first thing most people think of when they think jewel thief.

Bane and Ras both appeared in the massive Dark Knight films.

Penguin and Riddler are also pretty well known from Adam West Batman. Plus pretty much every kid will end up watching a batman cartoon at somepoint since there tends to be so many.

Even tier 2 batman villians like Poison Ivy and Clayface are probably more famous than all of wonderwoman's or ironman's or hulks villians etc

They are good and have top tier looks, but the most important part is that their gimmicks are usually not based on powers, that means the personality is developed around said gimmick. That's why normies can't remember the riddler spergs and two-face's coin but all they know about doc ock is that he has extra arms
Not such thing you autistic manchild

I don’t know...I think Spider-Man would give him a challenge. At this point I wouldn’t be surprised if the average person knew an equal amount, just based on the fact that Spider-Man has a bunch of movies/video games.

Green Goblin, Venom, Doctor Octopus, Electro, Vulture, Sandman, maybe Rhino... soon to add Mysterio to the list. Some might even name Kraven or Scorpion or Carnage.

>Even tier 2 batman villians like Poison Ivy
Poison ivy is a more popular halloween costume than Captain America

Nightmare (personal favourite)
Silver Dagger
Satannish
Mephisto
Umar
Shuma-Gorath
D’spayre (Fear lords in general)

He does lack human enemies, I suppose. Mordo is just no match for him now unless he makes another pact or something. A non-magic human enemy trying to outwit him would be fun as well, but very hard to write

For me a villain is “good” if they’re entertaining, that’s it. This isn’t some critical breakdown and analysis of writing and characters. It’s comics.

Did I have a fun time reading about Stilt-Man robbing penthouse apartments? Yes. Then it’s good.

Eh, me too.
But I want there to be some motivation for why they are bad.
A villain has to be really entertaining if they want to be “just bad”.

Pretty sure the worst rogue's gallery would be so shitty we can't even name them.

This brings an interesting point, Marvel doesn't handle rogue's the same way as DC. Sure you have Spidey's rogues gallery but most villains are quite flexible in who they fight.
You can see Dr. Doom fighting Luke Cage or IronMan but you never see the Penguin fighting someone like Wonder Woman.

New York is to blame for that

Batman>FANTASTIC FOUR>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Flash>Spider-man>Captain Marvel>>>>the rest.

Yeah, everytime theres one of these discussion the question is always “Which A-C lister heroes has the best rogues?” instead of “Which heroes has the best rogues?”

This. One of the consequences of the mass ignorance of Wonder Woman, is that nobody even knows most of her rogues, and even the writers who should ostensibly be familiar with the material usually just pull some random monster out their ass.

Thankfully, this is getting slightly better due to the movie, since people only give a shit about a comics character if they have a film.

Speaking of which, Dr. Poison is not a waifu. Stop that.

Did Dr.Poison make a comeback in DC comics?

Most of Batman's characters are foils of his personality in some way, and they share a "psychological illness" motif that's easy to remember.

Ok MM's Rogues Gallery so far
>White Martians
>Malefa'ak
>Human Flame
>Kanto (?)
>Despero
>VULTURE
According to Wikipedia, VULTURE is a crime syndicate from the 1950s.

Not really, no.

>Kanto is pretty based
He is Union.

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Damn, so true.

Damn, that's brutal.
How did MM get into this situation right here?

>Kanto
It's just I read the Ostrander/Mandrake series from the late 90s (very good comics by the way) where Kanto appeared quite a bit in the 4th World related bits, and aside from Malefa'ak, I'd say he was his most entertaining and meaningful rival. I don't know if they've confronted each other since but damn, it was very nice to see them pitted against each other.

>How did MM get into this situation right here?
Also that's not J'Onn, that's Mister Miracle from the recent Tom King comic if I'm not mistaken.

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I meant Mister Miracle it just happens that John had the acronym. Which is kind of funny when you think about it.

>it just happens that John had the acronym
Holy shit I'm a retard, I just noticed.

I'm ashamed.

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Haha, Don't worry bro.
Still, though I wanna know why he's getting beat up? Couldn't he just you know... escape? That's his shtick, right?

Well, I have not read that comic, so I really have no clue. But I'll tell you, Kanto doesn't fuck around. He stabs J'Onn with a sword that pierces his intangibility, explaining he can destroy anything that has molecules, or something like that.

He's not Darkseid's assasin for nothing.

Trial by combat. Mister Miracle and Kanto were fighting as the champions of their respective armies. Kanto actually challenged Big Barda because she was the leader but she was away so MM had to take the challenge. He lost.

I remember something about Kanto and Shakespeare having a connection together (Because of his medieval theme).
Do you remember his origins? I thought it was connected to this thing with him and Shakespeare but I forgot really.

Kanto, Godfrey and Granny are my favorite Elites.

Just like Virman Vundarbar was a Prussian history nerd despite being from Apokolips, Kanto was sent to Earth during the Italian Renaissaince to train, that's why he's such a classy fellow. He was modeled after a Borgia if I'm not mistaken.

Granny's undoubtedly one of the best villains to come from the New Gods thing. Such a disturbing, deranged character, top shelf villainy right there.

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>Which superhero has the best rogue's gallery?
Batman (Duh) though Superman and Spiderman are close ties.

How could you forget Rogol Zaar!?

Batman: The Animated series probably has a lot to do with that. Had the '70s Wonder Woman show used comic rogues, her rogue gallery might be slightly more known.

>Batman: The Animated series probably has a lot to do with that.
Zoomer

man i love kanto as a villain in theory but it feels like he never gets used properly. they should bring back his rivalry with j'onn

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I am, but even boomers watched that show. The 60s West probably had an effect too. We've had a constant stream of exposure to Bats' gallery, in ways we haven't for Wonder Woman or even Superman.

You know whose rogues are still unknown? Green Lantern's. Most people probably still can't even recognize any of the Lanterns.

Except Sinestro and Nekron.
Plebian comic readers know them.

Diana’s is fine, just underutilized

I loved the forever evil miniseries

Can you give us a quick Tl;Dr?

On paper, Wonder Woman's rogues are fine, but they feel...too disparate in theme? Like, they all work, but they feel like a hodge-modge of various villain types. This isn't a problem per se, but it maybe makes it harder to see how they connect as rivals to Wonder Woman's themes?

the rogues become the heroes of central city when the crime syndicate conquered the earth

DC makes superheroes. marvel makes sci fi action comics.

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What Wondy Villain out there could put together a team?

Circe, maybe?

Pym has Egghead, Whirlwind (both of whom were good candidates for his archenemy in the 60s), The Porcupine, Comrade X, The Voice and Living Eraser.

Not a good rogues gallery, but it's a rogues gallery.

He has The Mist legacy, The Light, Simon Culp, Ragdoll and The Spider II.

>Aside from The Joker, who else is there? The fucking Penguin?

Dis gud bait

Batman's rogues gallery was getting ripped off by other publishers even in the 40s, at a time when most of these characters had only made a handful of appearances.

You can't blame that on modern-day Batwank.

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>Iron Man

That’s a weird way to say “I’ve never read an Iron Man Comic Before Civil War.”

>Plus pretty much every kid will end up watching a batman cartoon at somepoint since there tends to be so many.
There hasn't been any Batman cartoon this decade outside of Beware The Batman which was fucked by CN and only lasted one season. I would say the Arkham series is more important.

I'm surprised you didn't mention Venom which is by far the most popular one.

Iron Man has a lot of great rogues, and the key to them is that they are enemies on more corporate or emotional levels than most.

>Obadiah Stane/Iron Monger
>Justin Hammer
>Mandarin (especially IIM #99 onwards)
>Ultimo (Who was literally Tony’s Doomsday before Doomsday)
>Crimson Dynamo III
>Guardsman I and II
>Fin Fang Foom
>Madame Masque
>Ghost
>Spymaster I
>Blizzard
>Synthetic Tony (a decoy who was made to help Tony balance his life, but then slowly believed his purpose was to replace his master and become the superior Iron Man)
>Firepower

This meme of “Iron Man has a bad rogues gallery” only seems to come from people who never read Invincible.

Most are just shitty Cold War villains, aren't they? Not surprising they dropped them this decade.

They really are, besides Cheetah, Ares, Circe and maybe Giganta most Wonder Woman villains end up being literal whos.
Which is all just natural since WW's general lore and characters simply aren't as popular and known as Batman or Superman's.

Antman

I’d say Namor and Captain America have highly underrated rogues galleries.

Namor
>Byrrah
>Attuma
>Tiger Shark
>Krang
>Orka
>Destiny
>Dr. Dorcas
>Llyra
Hell, he even had some feuds with Plant Man, and even he managed to be threatening.

Captain America
>Red Skull
>Baron Zemo
>Arnim Zola
>Flag Smasher
>Crossbones
>Baron Blood
>Swordsman
>Batroc
>Baron Strucker
>Dr. Faustus
>HYDRA
>AIM and MODOK
>Serpent Society
>Zodiac Society

The MCU movies completely wasted his rogues gallery.

See
The Cold War was a pretense for a lot of them because Iron Man is on a higher corporate and political level than most superheroes, therefore “let’s rob a bank” villains don’t cut it.
But what makes them are the plots and character developments they’re given, and their connections to Stark. They all have some form of relationship, or at least parallel, to Tony, and represent an aspect that he can’t just beat with a punch.

>Best
Batman, Spider-man
>Worst
Cap America

>from The Joker, who else is there? The fucking Penguin?
>implying Penguin isn't based

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I still think Circe is the best of Wonder Woman's enemies.

How would they use Nippo, Captain Nazi, or mr Banjo in a modern setting?

People think Supes Rogues suck because the average casual only knows about Bats and Spideys Rogues who are the best two Rogues Galleries in capeshit. But Supes actually has a very solid Rogues Gallery which usually put him at #3 or #4.

He’s had quite a few stories actually, showed up in Rebirth recently. He’s definitely a B-Lister villain-wise, he’s repeatedly showed up in outside media.

You’re retarded user. Just because you don’t care doesn’t mean others don’t care.

Most of Batman and Spider-Man Rogues don’t have “defining stories”. What’s Mad Hatter’s defining story? Or Scarecrow? Or Electro? Or Sandman?

>AIM and MODOK
I thought they were more Iron Man foes than Captain America?

>Ultron
>Egg-Head
>Yellowjacket
These guys just get folded into the wider Avengers' rogues.

>Best
Gonna go with The Flash

Spidey's rogues are overrated

>No Mr mind
Primitive creature

Is it even a question

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Based and DCpilled

>Imagine being this autistic

>X-Men
Calling bullshit on this one

Best: Superman
Worst: Thor I guess

Batman has lot of really good and famous stories. Not to mention a lot of them made pretty good impressions cause of the various cartoons

Malekith is awesome >:(

Yeah no

I know Mr. Banjo's kinda OP but I'm sure they could find a place for him.

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Most people haven't, user.

Too bad he never gets played as anything hard or is the elf version of joker if you’re Jason Aaron

Generic evil military man that splintered from the jap government trying to capture the marvels / develop knock off versions to defeat him. Can have the Justice League of China help defeat him or something.
Captain Incel
Make him a Billy based enemy that keeps trying to fuck the kids over but otherwise he's normal so they can't just SHAZAM him

>Who's Angle Man?
STEEEEEERNNN

What's his gimmick again? Bank robber with a super banjo or one of those WW2 era villains that acted as the 5th Column?

He was a spy for the nazis that relaid secret messages with his banjo songs

manchester black was on the new-52 and now is inside a cow

Most of her Golden Age villains represent individuals with psychological issues that put them in direct opposition to Diana and her goals. The easy way too look at them is in comparison to Batman's villains. Batman's villains are crazy, suffering from compulsions and delusions that lead them to crime and violence and often represent aspects of Batman himself taken to destructive extreme. Wonder Woman villains are disturbed, perfectly sane and rational people who chose crime and villainy to sate maladjusted patterns of thinking and are often microcosms of malignant social and cultural ills that lead to war and strife.

Great Tier:
>Joker
>Bane
>Dent
>Riddler
>Hush
>Scarecrow
>Strange
>Al-Ghul
>Thomas

Decent Tier:
>Mr.Freeze
>Penguin
>Ivy
>Catwoman
>Deadshot
>Clayface
>Jason

Meh Tier:
>Anarky
>Hatter
>Grundy
>Man-Bat
>Croc

Shit Tier:
>Zsasz
>Moth
>Firefly
>Prometheus
>Shark

JUST Tier:
>Wesker
>Zeus
>Calender

Nippo is a blackmailing master of disguise, so you could probably revamp and slot him in as more of a henchman villain for the big names. Captain Nazi got revamped sometime around Infinite Crisis into being the Nazi version of Uncle Sam, the living embodiment of National Socialism.

>Catwoman
Selina isn't a villain anymore my guy.

>the living embodiment of National Socialism.
No, he is the living emodiment of what people think Nazism is. You are not going to have him ranting about interest in loans being inmoral

>DC always had the better rogue's galleries, while Marvel had the better heroes. You know it's true.

i think it's actually the other way around

>Worst: Thor
Fucking what?
Malekith
Loki
Hela
Enchantress
Mangog
Set
Destroyer
Ulik
Surtur
Executioner
Absorbing Man
Kurse
Celestials
Ymir
Wrecking Crew
Pluto/Ares/other Pantheons
Gorr
...he’s fought Juggernaut like a dozen times

Marvel has a ton of books about randos, and they're fooking lame.

It's hard to say who has the best rouges, as opposed to which rouges compliment the hero the best.

What is everyone's take on the Hulk gallery?

Superman probably got my favorite villains, but sadly I can barely remember anybody tied to Hal Jordan aside from Sinestro, because I honestly don't care about Black Hand or the rainbow that came after Rebirth. And I prefer non-villainous Guardians.

Fuck you, Bane, Riddler, Selina and Scarecrow are based as fuck.

best:
batman, flash, and spider-man

worst:
ironman, wonder woman

Agreed 100% on Namor. Him and Byrrah were doing the sibling rivalry thing before Thor and Loki.

>Or Electro?

DeMatteis's Light up the Night?

this; Thor's rogues gallery at marvel is second only to Spider-Man

also add:
Fenris
Jörmungandr
The Norn Queen
Ego
The Collector

Why do zoomers keep memeing?
F4 >> X-men >>> the rest of marvel

F4 have really stagnated though, while Thor continues to bring in new ideas (many shitty, but it still is moving it forward more than the F4). And I'd argue that Kirby Thor > Kirby F4.

You have a point with X-Men though

I think Captain Nazi was changed to Ubermensch in the CW Flash.

Kinda forgettable beyond the Leader, Abomination, and the time Rhino fought the Hulk for a couple years. The U-Foes fight Hulk right or are they a FF villain?

Hulks (like Tonys) greatest enemy is himself.

He's a cow now

does anyone without ovaries and older than 13 still watches that show?

I have a comic book club and they watch CW shows religiously.
Tbf I was also a big Smallville guy.

Can you guess all their names?
Even as a batman pleb I know all of them.

>it doesn't matter if a villain has one or several good stories that elevate them to being good characters, they are fucking retarded and bad because I said so

Same here, anyone who thinks batman doesn't has the best is a retard.

Batman rogues have multiple stories of their own and the multiple movies and animated series helped them shine brighter than most.
My niece knows at least 4-5 of them and she's 8.

i'm surprised so many people are rating spider man's so highly, i usually hear people say how shit his villains are even though i'm a fan of them. i have a soft spot for the x men villains, Apocalypse scared the shit out of me as a kid.

best is Batman by a mile i think everyone more or less agrees with that.

>Mad Hatter’s defining story?
Depending on who you ask it's either Jeph Loeb's Madness (which is what defines the modern version of the character alongside Grant Morrison's Arkham Asylum) or the TAS episode "Mad as a Hatter" (which is the version most people who like the character think of)
>Scarecrow
If we are talking pre-2000s I'd say Fear for Sale or the Doug Moench origin.
Nowadays it's like every Scarecrow story draws from fucking Cycle of Violence with that awful design.

I feel like people don't understand that a "defining story" doesn't necessarily have to be a popular story, or even a good one.
I hate this idea that every character needs to have a super popular, character-redefining Killing Joke story, otherwise they suck. Usually it's not even a character's best story that defines how they are written most of the time.

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I've always thought it was a common opinion that Spider-Man's rogues were 2nd only to Batman's. Hell I'd say Spider-Man's villains were as much of trailblazers as the Batman villains considering Ditko arguably kickstarted the idea of the hero having multiple villains acting as darker reflections of himself.

I guess it's because Spider-Man's villains have generally campier designs and there's a lot of people that just utterly loathe any character the slightest bit colorful or quirky, and that too affected Batman (see pic related

Although I think Spider-Man's villains are generally darker than Batman's, at least in terms of how they are written instead of how they look.

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Best: Batman, Spider-Man, flash
Worst: iron man, Wonder Woman, Captain marvel

yeah i think the grimdark gotham setting full of complex psychopaths made rhino, electro and a dude called hobgoblin flying around throwing pumpkins on a glider a bit silly and cheesy for some people.

>Toyman is a joke villain
STAS Toyman was fucking creepy as all shit.

I know every single one of them.
This isn't really a test. Batman just has the most prolific rogues in cape comics.

I'm sure most people don't know who pic related is even though he's about as ruthless as some of Batmans best Rogues.

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Toyman is original Legion of Doom, he's legendary status.

>Thomas Wayne
That's Catman

You're right FUCK! At least I got the majority of them though.
Who is this edgy boi?

Post your Favorite Green Arrow Villain.

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Arcade
This guy. Pretty nice gimmick.

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I've always loved the variety when it comes to Spider-Man's rouges from aliens to people with elaborate animal-themed tech, crime lords, and even straight up mutants and science experiments gone wrong. And then there's Carnage, he's just a crazy serial killer, nothing more and nothing less.

At this point, Carnage is effectively a venom villain.

Oliver's always had a problem with having any decent villains who aren't Merlyn. Adding people like Deathstroke, Deadshot, Cupid, and Komodo was a step in the right direction.

Who's Komodo?

Sure.
Garfield Lynns, Kirk Langstrom, Drury Walker, Jervis Tetch, "Matt Dell", Julian Day, the late Cyrus Gold, Arnold Wesker and "Scarface", "Bane", Thomas Blake, Maximilian Zues, Pamela Isely, Lonnie Machin, Warren White, Tommy Elliot, Harvey Dent, Waylon Jones, Basil Karlo, Jonathan Crane, Jason Todd, Victor Zsasz, Roman Sionis, "Joker", Victor Freis, Hugo Strange, Oswald Cobblepot, Edward Nygma, Floyd Lawton, Selina Kyle and R'as Al'Ghul

The only ones who matter are Adam, Mind, Silvana and Nazi.

IIRC. he was introduced in Nu-52. He was pretty cool when he came on the scene but I can't remember if he's done anything since his initial arc.

And Mr. Atom

Sabbac was cool too.
He gots demon powers from like 6 lords of hell.

If we're being entirely fair he's been a Spidey villain on and off. So he technically in the slimmest sense counts.

What's he up to now anyway?

While I liked her concept, I found Cupid's original appearances pretty lackluster. Her Arrow version, whose obsession switched to whomever met her criteria, and her DC Shorts version, mostly just for the design, were much better.

The worst rouge's gallery in all of Marvel is Speedball's.

Vertigo. Don't like the N52-Rebirth version tho.

>Marvel had the better heroes
Superman, the literal archetypal superhero
Batman, forever the coolest hero
The Flash, the archetypal speedster
Green Lantern, a breathing space opera conduit
Wonder Woman, the iconic female superhero
Just because DC blows at getting good movies for their heroes doesn't make their heroes worse

Well you can’t mention a Superhero without mentioning the Superman!

Buddy nobody gives a fuck about half of those villains and I’ve read everything from simonson onward. Thor could have much better rogues than he’s got, you should want more for him

>gorr
Neck yourself Aaron

Yay. But for fucks sake re-introduce them.

Most of them are gonna come back in the Monsterlands I think.
Dunno how Johns would introduce them though.

Cool, that's good to hear. Shazam villains are neat, you can do so much with them.

Power of Shazam had some interesting rogues.
>(Implied) Lesbian robbers who got mixed into metallic goo.
>Evil Demon Pooka version of Mister Tawny.
>Guy that got fucked over by literally every single one of Billy's enemies and turned into a monster.
And a lot of other interesting rogues.

Ghost is pretty great. Marvel's version of the Unabomber but instead of primitivism its anti corporate terrorism.

Bump

Don't forget the X-Men

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>Fucking aliens
>Canada
>Jean Grey's revenents

>>Canada
I love how evil Marvel Canada is.

Doom and Magneto>>>any dc villain

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Ultimately the true X-men villain is status quo. Over 50 years of fighting for change and they're actually significantly worse off than when they started.

Captain Nazi would just be an incel alt righter

>153 pre new 52 issues
>3 years as Batman
>30 new 52 issues
>20 issues of Grayson
>59 rebirth issues
He's got like 300 issues with him as a lead and he's got like no recurring villains beyond Seeley's attempt at placating those anti Grayson fags who sucked Dixon off hard especially since DC decided that Deathstroke is too popular for Dick

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>creates GOAT new villains stable for one of the only characters that doesn't need it

T-thanks Morrison

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Professor Pyg, Circus of Strange, Flamingo, Penitente Cartel, etc. were all intended by Morrison to be new rogues for the new Batman until the reboot raped all of that. The first issues of Batman & Robin are just Morrison introducing a new villain with every arc like Ditko's Spidey or Kirby's F4.

Dixon's Nightwing series also had a bunch of attempts like Blockbuster and that dirty cop whose head was on backwards.

Shame that Spencer completely missed the point of what Gruenwald was trying to do.

Looks like you never read Byrne’s Fantastic Four run.

Was that specific comic written during Waid’s run? Cause if is, it’s probably going to be shit.

Just a tip for you: don’t go thinking there’s any good Rogues stories in Waid’s run, he wrote them like shit.

Cyborg Superman and Mongul were used quite a bit during Johns’ Green Lantern run.

Bruh Brainiac is so iconic he created an English colloquium

Is that Ned Kelly?
What's he doing with those Chumps?

Something something drumpf

I think you mean colloquialism. A colloquium is like a conference.

Honorable mention for worst, post Johns GL
>So he's like green lantern, but his ring is [color]

Agent Orange was cool.
An entire lantern corp made up of one guy is great.

>An entire lantern corp made up of one guy is great.
Lazzy actually

Lazzy?
Nah it's unique, Blue and Sapphires are generic but Larfleeze is top notch.

Yes lazzy, running out of ideas for a core and just saying "fuck it, i will make just one". The entire colored shit was literally the fanfic of 13 years old Johns after eating some skittles.

Show some respect for Swagman, fool.

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They made Ned Kelly a supervillain?

I don't think you get pottery.
Is he an Australian villain?

>Best
Batman, Spider-Man and the Flash. Objectively, it goes Batman > Spider-Man > Flash, but I personally see it as Flash > Spider-Man > Batman.

>Worst
Daredevil and Iron Man. Anyone who says Wonder Woman is a faggot. Cheetah, Dr. Psycho, Circe, Ares and Giganta are all worth a billion of every Daredevil or Iron Man villain besides Bullseye, Kingpin, Elektra and Madame Masque.

>Most Underrated
Wonder Woman and Superman have some severely underrated Rogues galleries who are usually looked down upon by people who have literally never read a comic about them ever.

The Punisher has some pretty great villains, but they're hurt by the fact that they all die.

I remember Justin Hammer,Crimson Dynamo, and MODOK more fondly compared to most of Iron Man's rogues

>MODOK
Is he really an Iron Man villain?

He takes inspiration from Ned Kelly. He's the arch nemesis of The Ranger aka the Batman of Australia. You seriously should read Morrison's Bat Epic.

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I skimmed through it.
Is he a traitor/bad guy?

I associate him with Iron Man thanks to both reruns of the 1990s cartoon and Armored Adventures when I was growing up. After looking MODOK's publication history up, he. along with AIM, started as Captain America villains.

>I don't know shit so no one else does either

>Bizarro
>Not iconic
>Despite the fact that he's referenced in non-cape media all the time and has bled into the zeitgeist enough that his name alone refers to things which are the polar opposite of other things
>Not iconic
And let's not forget how Mxyzptlk has inspired references outside of comic fiction, including the little green man from the Flintstones. Five iconic villains is still more than most chumps have by a significant margin.

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>Mxyzptlk has inspired references outside of comic fiction, including the little green man from the Flintstones
What? Seriously? Proofs, please.

Dr Strange rogues are really fun to read
>Nightmare’s illusions and taunting
>Dormammu’s autistic arrogance
>Mordo’s spergouts

Most of em bring a new type of crazy to the table

Along with their power levels, it’s so over the top it’s entertaining as fuck when done well

I wish I know more about Fate villains.
Doctor Fate should have more memorable villains like Doctor Strange.

I guess he's trying to argue that Great Gazoo was inspired by Mxy but I really doubt that's the case without evidence.

I don't get it

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Hey, isn't Evil Star that guy that genocided his entire planet like Lobo?
What's he doing here with the Darkstars?

It’s a huge problem with current Iron Man writers since they won’t do corporate espionage type stories and instead go to shitty MCU synergy stories.

I’m really hoping Ewing does something with Abomination and Leader soon since he’s been using a lot of the gamma-related characters in his run.

I’m surprised that version of Toyman was never really used in the comics.

Huh. I have read that Eclipso crossover shindig with them and, while not a masterpiece (the whole Eclipso thing was pretty tiresome) they were great in it. Probably the only thing I really liked about that story.

I take it you mean they're better in the Morrison run or something?

Wasn't he used already?
I thought like all versions of Toyman were just robots the original Toyman uses to trick supes.

Morrison's villains were too edgy. Batman does best with villains that are, at face value, kinda silly. Joker is a clown. The Riddler is a flamboyant quiz show host. The Penguin is... a penguin.

Look at Pyg. He's fucking gruesome. You could put him in a Saw movie and nobody would bat an eye. He doesn't fit the classic Batman aesthetic at all.

But he's making modern comics and all modern comics are edgy. You want him to make a character like the Penguin who just commits bird crimes? At least his have a hook in addition to being edgy unlike most.

I remember reading B&R and thinking most of the villains seemed like something out of Spawn. It doesn't help that most of them are really lazy conceptually.

>You want him to make a character like the Penguin who just commits bird crimes?
Have you not read a story involving Penguin since the 60s?

That was odd. I can't remember if the implication was that he was a super soldier who somehow ascended to being a living concept, or if he was always a living concept and everything else about him was highly embellished and fabricated.

Though that might be funny.

Yes, the character has been modernized. Like how Morrison's rogues are modern.

>Though that might be funny.
>Captain Marvel, stop defending this bank! a sole national bank should be the only institution that is allowed to give loans for housing, interests are a jewish trick!
You are right

Nippo should be called something else.
What about The Nipponese?
Revamped origins: Ancient Samurai warrior revealed to be evil or possed by a dark figure
who got stuck in the 21st century? He wants to go back to the past but got sidetracked and got stuck in the Monsterlands.

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And Joker killed a dozen people in his first appearance.

MEFO bills are not IOUs!