Avengers: Endgame

you know whats worse? whats with all those wizards helping on the battle? strange himself can deal with everything, who the fuck is guarding the sanctums?

Some quirky intern with glasses and a beanie?

By marriage instead of biological, so slightly less bad.

Even more heroic would have been making the returning the stones bit also seal him away in time, essentially putting him back under the ice until the world needs Captain America again. Sacrificing his future to service like that would have been an even bigger and more heroic sacrifice than merely dying.

>essentially putting him back under the ice until the world needs Captain America again
It really is sad when random people on the internet can write better shit than (((Hollywood))) writers

what the fuck man don't take this lightly, dormammu will kill as all.

The other man who had a lfe with Peggy was him, that's what a closed time loop means user

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The only possible way I see this from being salvaged is that if Steve went to an alternate timeline to spend the remaining years of his life with Peggy, but this alternate timeline has actually has Steve tampering with it, so all the terrible events that happened in the OT didn't happen in the alternate timeline. Near the end of his life, he managed to return to the Original Timeline to pass on Sam his shield before he passes away. Of course, this is all speculation, but I can't see Steve being okay with having foreknowledge of these events and not trying to prevent them. He already time traveled to attain the stones, just so he could prevent the deaths of those that were dusted from Thanos. How is stopping the Bucky's brainwashing Hydra infiltration, Ultron, and Stark's parents' death any different?

he was always the husband

>terrible historical events like 9/11
Why do amerimutts think we care about their own disgraces?

Different outcomes

Steve Heroe's it up.

Tony is way too fucked up to continue leading the team actively. Becomes Head of SHIELD

His Daughter takes up the mantle as Iron Heart or Rescue whatever.

Bucky Becomes new Cap and Falcon becomes Nomad.

I could live with this.

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>niggers calling out Cap for not stopping 9/11 etc.
bros if he stopped that then the future will fucking change, he stood back and do nothing so he can preserve the future they made.
The future without Thanos.

>If I see a situation pointed south, I can't ignore it
>We don't trade lives

>His Daughter takes up the mantle as Iron Heart or Rescue whatever.
you're going to need a really big timeskip for that

Preventing one thing from happening can potentially cause a worse thing to happen instead. Prevent the Starks's murder? Could potentially prevent Tony from becoming Iron-man. No Iron-man to stop Hammer and the Extremis people. Stop the creation of Ultron? Might not result in Wanda and Pietro never learning their errors and seeking redemption. The Pyms might also live a completely different life if the Starks never got murdered. Which might also mean that Scott might never become Ant-man. Attempting to change the past is risky. Way too many variables.

They'll just make movies that retcon shit anyway.

Look what happened to Nick Fury.

Honestly, it's really disappointing because his one character vice through all the movies was always that he was chained to the past and couldn't move forward. So this outcome for him is just playing right into that. I can't say that it's unforeshadowed or out of nowhere, but with all his talk about not accepting things that are wrong and fighting for what's right, it's clear the final conclusion for his character isn't that trait but his flaw instead.

Tony best MCU hero confirmed

>Having the literal Thunder god with godlike feats that befits his station is too OP
>Having Stark with his nanotech suit that results in being of one the most powerful avengers despite still being just a man in a suit, is perfectly acceptable, though
It's weird how Tony is the only Avenger whose power level just increases exponentially, while most of the other Avengers are pretty much the same as they were in the first film. Tony built the Hulkbuster to stop Banner and the nanotech suit give Thanos one of the toughest fights in IW. Yet, no one, not even writers, wants to tone this down. By Endgame, correct me if I'm wrong, but Tony has built another suit that's stronger than the last.

Making those mental gymnastics to justify this shit movie already. el o el

Even if he wanted to change stuff, by rules of the Marvel mltiverse, he wouldn't have been able to change anything because he travelled back with the time gem of his reality, which means, inside his reality's timestream only. No matter what he does, the future is set in stone and WILL happen the way it has because the timeline can't be changed.

The MCU was always Tony Stark U and this confirms it. The Russo did everyone else dirty.

From what I have seen, it ain't too impressive, like it's better but not by much

The Tony wank was always the worst part of the MCU.

It would have made more sense. Steve dies and is finally reunited with Peggy. Tony lives and raises a family with Pepper.

But we don't know what happened in the timeline he went into.

Only thing that doesn't make sense and the question that remains is how he returned to 'our' times

Does anyone have a link to a rip?

Steve gets stronger each passing movie. One of the most impressive feats in the Avengers movie was jumping 100 feet in the air. In Ultron, he throws a motorcycle at Hydra vehicle. In Civil War, he's out running cars, stopping helicopters and damaging Stark's armor with only his shield. In IW, he momentarily overpowers Thanos. But it's all still fairly modest and the gains he makes aren't as impressive, like how it is in weight lifting. Clint and Natasha have it the worst. The only upgrades they have is better weapons. And those weapons were developed by Stark or some other super genius character so they can keep up with the rest of the team.

Yea Forums spams it quite often.

>Avengers HQ currently has a time machine
if Hank doesn't play a big part on protecting that shit then I'm gonna burn all my Avengers comics to the ground.

Avengers HQ got blown up.

He's a sociopath. He's fucking his waifu by while HYDRA rapes Bucky who then murders Tony's parents. That's not normal. I hope old man Steve isn't actually Steve but an imposter because that shit isn't right.

oh shit yeah hulk was carrying it in the end right? well its gonna end up on another Avengers HQ so my point still stands.

>Tony is the one they picked die because they want him to say his fucking line from his own movies.
Cap should've died what the fuck is this horseshit, the Russos are undeniable hacks.
Its simple poetry since he dearly missed Peggy but in doing so, saved others, hence he should've been reunited with her in doing the right thing in the end.
Fighting against the biggest bully.

>anons ITT want Steve to trigger a paradox akin to Flashpoint.

There is nothing in the movie that indicates this happened. Everything points to Steve going back in his own timeline and completely ignoring everything that happens around him.

>SAVE ME IRONDAD!

>There is an alternate universe where in Endgame Cap steals the stones and his final words are ‘And I....am America. *snap*’

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>wars are fought with weapons but they are won by men

OF COURSE HE WOULD IGNORE IT, IF HE PUTS A STOP ON BUCKY GETTING RAPED BY HYDRA/SAVING THE STARKS THEN THE FUTURE WOULD FUCKING CHANGE.
WHY CAN'T YOU NIGGERS UNDERSTAND THIS

>idiots cry about something very simple yet still beyond their grasp
What a shocking turn of events on Yea Forums.

Because it's stupid and Steve "We don't trade lives" Rogers from the other movies would have totally tried to change the future to save everyone.

This is Steve. There is no way that man would just idly sit and accept that shit.

It's one of the few reasons why Booster wanted to save Ted in Blue and Gold
For emotional weight.
And of course, Steve's nature.

because he's literally Captain America you mongoloid

Well maybe The Mouse doesn't like heros like cpt America or Luke Skywalker, and wants to shit on their legacy no matter what. I mean a good character like Steve Rogers could be giving bad example to the kids, all that ableists stuff, flag waving , being cis white. He practicly was a hydra nazi, before end game.

Cap was shit in Ultron. Was basicly a neocon.
Fuck laws, we go in foreign countries and do shit, then leave. No questions answered.

He went to the alternate past timelines to return the stones and stayed in one of those timelines. He knows tampering with the alternate timelines does nothing to the original MCU timeline. The MCU present and future can't change. That's why he can fight himself in the alternate past and having no memory of it, why Loki escaping with tesseract from the avengers, and killing Past Thanos and Nebula does nothing to the Present MCU timeline current state or have their characters. Again, Steve most of his life after Endgame in an alternate past. That's why Banner was freaking out, because literally every character that has returned from time travel always appear near or at the location of time machine. Steve didn't. That means he didn't return in the only possible way we know characters are able to return.

Wait a minute, if Steve returns to Peggy where he left off wouldn’t he get drafted to fight the remainder of WW2 in the Pacific? And the Korean War after that?

except she had pictures of him on her desk and everywhere all the way in her TV series AND the 1970s reality they went to. Unless she was keeping those for posterity and pretending he was dead when he was alive all along.

>Virgin Cap: self BTFOs into the past to live the life of a coward after acting like this and spouting he doesn’t trade lives, does all that civil war shit for Bucky then allows him be tortured for years, let’s Tony’s Family die etc
>Chad Tony: sacrifices himself time and time again to save his friends and loved ones, giving up his life and future and dreams to save the universe, goes out with a cosmic bang defending and avenging, lived his life as a true hero

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he already did. he went back in time to be Peggy's dude. She's a SHIELD founding member. She might not have had the drive to do so if she was happy with Steve.

So what about what this user said? Does Red Skull win in his timeline?

As much as I enjoyed this movie Time travel plots are just a clusterfuck no matter how you do it.

There are well-written time travel plots, user.
In fact, there are several anthologies in literature dedicated to such concept.

Closed loops are fine. I’ve always kinda liked the whole event that has always happened happens because of time travel and thus prompts the time travel itself. Also, we all love Back to the Future.

It's annoyingly hardheaded. Staying in the present and being a retired consultant for the Avengers and it's adjacent families make more sense.

If they actually showed how strong Thanos was without the Gauntlet, This wouldn't be an issue. They can make Thanos be immune to most magic and physical damage. Some incarnations of Thanos are powered with science and magic.

The main problem with ENDGAME is their desire to give the audience fanservice, which meant some character were going to receive happy ends, and also there would be some virtue signaling.

So in their desire to give Cap a happy ending they ended up fucking his shit.

Thanos unironically has acquired/built gadgets that help aid him battle against beings stronger than he is but his strongest asset is his guile.

>MCU Dormammu
>a threat

didnt he lose to his past self?

There's a reason why Thanos, objectively the biggest Chad in the series, singled Tony out as a kindred spirit

A better happy ending for Cap, if Tony was dying could be director of Shield, being a dutiful uncle to Morgan, looking after the team from afar, maybe getting into a relationship with that waitress from the first Avengers or something cute. Just embracing the future instead of wanking off to the past.

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Who else came up Chad? Regular Size Man, Strange and Hulk all played a heroic game.

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>Face it, you’re not the guy to make the sacrifice play. To lay down on the wire and let the other guy crawl over you.

>The only thing you’ve ever fought for is yourself

What did Cap mean by this?

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>imagine being that retarded to not understand time-travel in endgame creates another timeline, and you can't change the past

A movie made for kids, and you still managed to be dumb enough to not get it.

Best happy and heroic ending is for the time travel shenanigans to seal him away until the next time the world needs Captain America. Giving up all of himself in an ultimate sacrifice beyond even Iron Man dying.

Cap said so himself in Age of Ultron: the guy who wanted a normal life died going under the ice in 1945, the guy who came out of the ice lives only to serve.

Yeah honestly I don't know how the general audience is going to take this. The two key expositions (banner/rhodey's BTTF argument and ancient one's explanation) go by so fast that it's easy for everything to fly over people's head.

Shit's going to be confusing when the multiverse rules it can very simply be summed up in two points 1) that they can't change the past to get a new future
and 2) whatever they do in the past will create new timelines, and not returning the stones will doom those timelines.

It means that film wasn't directed by the Russos

Foreshadowing of what Steve will ultimately do.

The problem is: this isn't a closed loop. Past thanos was erased and past Loki escaped with a fucking infinity stone.

Howard Stark, in a nonviolent way. It's sad Thor and Clint were done dirty out of Chad status, especially when they did a perfectly good getting up from being broken arc for Clint in Avengers 1 where he ended up paying back Loki. You know, back when Loki was at least sort of a threat instead of being the memey joke loser of the MCU.

60 years.
60 years doing nothing.

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This is fucked up. Can't they do something like say that the old Cap is from an alternate timeline? Make Young Cap retire and be a non combatant instead.

Do you seriously want accusations of ripping off Master Chief from Halo?

Listen, can we talk about what a cuck Loki is as a sorceror compared to the Masters of the Mystic Arts? Forget the Ancient One and Strange, in the MCU I would argue that fucking Wong is a more powerful wizard than their Loki is.

Hulk's snap basically undid everything Thanos's snap did. So Thanos and his posse going into the future and dying there shouldn't be much of a problem. That is of course assuming he wasn't that active between events of GotG1 and Avengers: Infinity War.

Loki is just a Frost Giant with some illusion spells up his sleeve.

Actually, I was ripping off the Captain America arc in the Spiderman Animated Series cartoon. It begins with Captain America being brought out of a time warp thing and ends with him falling back in to a time warp thing.

Strange fucking killed Tony, at least indirectly. He knew it would happen and let it. I don’t mind that he did it, though. Fits well with his character overall

That's because they never fully explored Thor's mythology because they were afraid of powercreeping. Now, Loki and Thor are weak. I'll always argue that it's better to be portrayed to stronger than weaker.

The only way out of this is that Old Cap is in fact a disguised Loki and Cap is stuck in dimension Z or some shit in which a fourth movie can revolve around.

So now Loki is fucking Peggy. Nah. It's fucked. No matter which way you try to fix this Cap comes off looking like a loser.

They should have just shown Cap and Tony both sacrificing themselves in a super emotional and gay scene. Maybe do a callback to Civil War with Cap saying something to the effect that Tony is his friend as well.

Wtf I hate the jews even more now

The whole GotG1 was changed.. Thanos interacted a lot with Ronan.

Also everything after avenger1... because no Loki.

why didnt the russos take anything from this movie?
like the flying truck

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The whole shield of armor thing and we lose together spiel.
Right in the first 10 minutes, in fact.

> Hey tony, won’t you say sacrificing yourself sounds good? *wink*
the absolute madman

The implication that Steve somehow managed stayed in the OT's past without being involved whatsoever in the events that transpired because he didn't want to change the timeline so he can meet up with OT friends he knew just seems so out of character for him.

The lessons audiences can take from this are also pretty negative and selfish as you mentioned:

1. The entire premise of the plot is Steve and the Avengers are unable able to move on with their lives and accept that Thanos won. They cannot repair the damage done, because the stones Thanos destroyed were the same components required to rectify Thanos' actions.

2. The film seems to be focused on re-experiencing the past. Tony's relationship with his father, Steve's unfulfilled love for Peggy, and Hawkeye's lost relationship with his family.

3. The movies seems to support not learning from the past, not growing from loss, not being able to cope with the troubles of the present and retreating to a time where things where better.

These so-called heroes are meddling with the alternative timelines and ruining those realities in the process of ensuring their timeline doesn't have to suffer their mistakes. It's pretty much, "to hell with your timeline, I got mine."

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probably my favorite part of the movie

>I know guys with none of that worth ten of you. I've seen the footage. The only thing you really fight for is yourself. You're not the guy to make the sacrifice play, to lay down on a wire and let the other guy crawl over you.

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Cap stops Hydra in the past. Winter Soldier doesn't assassinate JFK. Cold war tensions escalate and Hank Pym sacrifices himself to stop nuclear catastrophe. Quantum realm is never discovered.

Cap stops Winter Soldier from killing Howard Stark. This delays or even stops Tony from becoming CEO of Stark Enterprises.

If Cap stops 9/11, the US doesn't go to war in the middle east. Stark doesn't get blown up while in the middle east and become Iron Man.

New York is nuked to stop Loki's invasion. Loki escapes with the tesseract. With two infinity stones, Thanos begins his conquest before the Guardians form. With 3 stones, Thanos has the ability to take on the armies of Asgard, Odin, and Thor.

I can see Cap thinking "Well, everything worked out in the end. Now I can either start fucking up history trying to fix the wrongs or I can start titfucking Peggy Carter for the rest of my life". I know which one I'd choose.

Steve let his past self fuck his own niece. Seriously, i hope someone points that shit out on social media. Because what the fuck. Is Steve a redneck now? Why?

Welp, at least the MCU's true to the comics!

>If I see a situation pointed south, I can't ignore it. Sometimes I wish I could.
>[years later]
>Hooray, wish granted!

>implying Kennedy wasn't a Skrull an actually evil Skrull that is, not one of the dindus

You know how they can circumvent this? By not making him stay in the past in the first place.

>Steals the shield from himself
>Cucks himself into oblivion in one of the timelines

Jesus Christ Steve

How was Sharon not aware she's fucking her own uncle? Are you going to tell me Sharon never met her aunt's husband? Sharon surely knew the thing with Steve. And she fucked him anyway. What's wrong with Steve's family.

OR have Cap move on from muh Peggy like I thought he did.
What the fuck.

>The safest hands are still our own

>Thanks for the time gem guys

Does anyone know the song that plays when Bruce and Rocket go to New Asgard? It was catchy and I liked it.

Its a bizarre ending for him. Not really sure why they wanted that to be his legacy. Seems like its framed as a reward for him, to have this responsiblity taken away, but it comes across as really offputting. I don't understand why they felt the need to put him back in the past, it causes too many problems for the sake of mindless wish fulfillment.

did you forget captain marvel?

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This, what the shit. Captain fucking Thirst.

They weren't blood related so it fine. Still kind of fucked up but its not incest.

Probably just assumed present Steve looks like a younger version of her uncle, aka Endgame Steve. Time travel isn't known to anyone except the Endgame Avengers.

>Captain America might have biological kids/grandkids in the MCU

MCU American Dream?

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Wait a minute, how did Sharon not recognize Steve as her uncle in Winter Soldier and Civil War?

Its not fine, its creepy that he fucks a Peggy expy until he can get back to the real thing since its now confirmed he never moved on.

Steve's ending reminds me of the Superman comic, Whatever Happened to the Man of Tomorrow. I like that.

Are you going to tell me that Steve despite knowing that his past self fucked Sharon kept his mouth shut and watched Sharon be born into his family, saw her grow up from a child into a woman, Sharon meeting his past self, Sharon fall for his past self, and everything, without ever doing nothing to stop it? He purposely let his niece that he probably helped raise fuck his past self and never thought about stopping her?

This is way too creepy in retrospect.

>hero are not allowed to be happy. The fuck is wrong with you ?
Why couldn't he have a shot at happiness ? Do you actually think a hero should purposely make his life a suffering when he has no reason to ?

Because he fucked his own niece.

see Cap didn't hurt anyone and has a right to be happy.

wow now i know why everyone is freaking out about this

Because the happiness he chose is selfish and retarded.

I think it's implied that he stayed with peggy in another timeline, but that's all sorts of fucked up for the steve of that universe.
Honestly could've all been fixed if they never had him return as old cap and just went straight to the dance ending scene.

He didn't.

The movie doens't even establish Sharon and Carter are related.

And I thought Thor grabbing Mjolnir was bad. At least for him it's canon he's one day trip away to Nidavellir from getting an upgrade.

He absolutely does

>Because the happiness he chose is selfish
No, it isn't. How is it selfish ? Who did he hurt doing so ? And how is it retarded in anyway ?

Yeah that would’ve been best

>So how much time did you take over there Cap?
>Well Buck, just enough for one last dance.

the tony circlejerk is finally over

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In Which movie is it actually established they fucked ?

Are you kidding me? Did you watch the movie?

You are aware that if he change the timeline, he doom billion of people to destruction, right ?

Cap literally made the promise to Tony he would not take away from him his daughter.

I can't believe Marvel fucked up Spider-Man this fucking bad

Which is worse:

Letting his childhood friend become a brainwashed murderer, or
Fucking his own niece?

This. Steve Ditko conceived Spider-Man as an objectivist hero, a self-made man who took no charity from anyone, and then they turned him into Stark's little bitch.

I did. I think you didn't. Cap had a shot at happiness and took it. in the process, he harmed no one.

there is no reason to complain about it except if you are the kind of moron who think an hero should suffer at all cost.

ACTUALLY after Endgame looks like Tony was actually the superior mentor to Spidey compared to if they had gone with Cap.

You fucking wish, the whole of FFH is going to be about pete overcoming the burden of Tony's death and rising to be his legacy.

aunt may and peter parker gonna care more about uncle tony more than uncle ben
its so fucked

It's selfish. He's fucking letting everything bad that will happen happen because of the loop and so he can stay with Peggy. Cap in his movies repeatedly said that the main who went into the ice no longer exist. It was always supposed to end with him settling in modern times. Retiring or not. He's called the "Man out of Time" for Christ's sake.

The former. Fucking your niece isn't so bad if she consents.

Homecoming was good.

He’s Uncle Ben now, fucker.

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breaking up the avengers for a childhood friend you let become a brainwashed murderer

>Letting his childhood friend become a brainwashed murderer
Altering the timeline would result in everyone in it getting destroyed. Plus, he promised Tony he wouldn't alter the events that led to Tony's daughter birth.
>Fucking his own niece?
He didn't fuck her.

It was but the Tony stuff was awful and FFH is going to be a huge Tony wank off. I hate it and I'd like to remind everyone that Tony never got called out for kidnapping Peter to take him to a super hero brawl where he could have died.

Man, imagine if they had established that Sharon was Peggy's daughter or grand-daughter? Wheew. That would have been awkward right now.

He's not. He might affect Peter but Uncle Ben clearly happened. Just watch Civil War and the responsibility thing was already ingrained in Peter's moral compass.

Steve and Sharon fucked, user. The Russos made that plenty clear.

It was already awkard in the movie. Now its going to be talked about for years. Cap the niece fucker. The taint of disgrace will follow him to the grave.

Iron Man got called out for that in the same movie by Black Widow.

>It's selfish.
Again, No, it isn't. he diesn't let anyone down doing this.
>he's fucking letting everything bad that will happen happen because of the loop and so he can stay with Peggy.
That's complete falsehood. You do realise that if he put back in place the stone and come back, this is literally the same result of not helping anyone, right ? Furthermore, he is not allowed to make changes or everyone get destroyed. Why does everyone keep ignoring that ?

No, it fucking wasn't

80's comic Cap circa Roger Sten to early Gruenwald will forever be best Cap.

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>niece fucker who let 9/11 happen

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>but the Tony stuff was awful
Not really.

He had a shot and that's how he ended up in the ice. This undermines everything for him to fuck the woman he never got over, which is just another groaner.

Because that's a contrived way to make him stay in the past set up by the film. It's a stupid restriction just so Cap has to stay in the past.

This is just a family get-together.

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Fuck. That would be perfect

They didn't. Its not even established if Sharon is related to Carter.

No he didn't.

Yeah it was.

its gonna get retconn'd

Its not another timeline. Its the same timeline. Hence why he was able to meet everyone again despite not using the time machine to return.

That's just how Steve's family exchange affection. Using their lips, with a lot of tongue action.

Are you in Africa? See any pyramids? Pants wet? Because you are knee deep in da Nile.

I miss Roger Stern and Mark Gruenwald.

Even if they were, Steve and her wouldn't be related anyways.

>Because that's a contrived way to make him stay in the past set up by the film.
No ? And by that I mean no ! It's no more contrived that any of the time stuff that has happened in the movie.

Also, we weren't talking about contrivance, but about cap being selfish, which he wasn't.

> It's a stupid restriction just so Cap has to stay in the past.
Did you actually saw the movie, Cap wasn't forced to stay in the past, he chose to.

He no longer have Starks's support now that he is dead. Going to be Fury's little bitch instead. Also how is Rhode even going to repair/upgrade War Machine without Tony?

I miss Marvel pre-2007

Its contrived and selfish. You're in the minority on this one bub, I agree with that poster.

>GIVE ME THE FUCKING SUIT BACK

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No it wasn't.

Yes, that was a good scene. Peter had royally fucked up.

>he chose to
That's the problem. Its incredibly selfish and its just so he can fuck the chick he thirsted over.

Actually it getst worse when you realise Steve KNOWS the approximate location of the most important Infinity Stones and DIDN'T just give them all to the Masters of the Mystic Arts chuck them into another dimension for a while instead of letting the government and the Collector hold on to two like sitting ducks.

MCU Thanos doesn't seem to have any grasp of sorcery. It's literally all fine, the very worst case scenario ends with Strange dead and Maw spending the rest of his days thwarted by a dead man's curse.

I have the same level of apathy when it comes to MCU Cap.

>I heard they shot 5 endings. I wonder how bad the other 4 are.
Surely they can't possibly be worse than this one.

Peter clearly disobeyed orders because he thought he was doing the right thing. Tony already had FBI on the case. It's understandable.

He still had the quantum suit and the pym particles, he could've just ported back at another time, whenever he felt like.

Is this version of Cap really so abhorrent to MCU writers?

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>Its contrived and selfish.
"It is because I say so" is not a valid argument.

I ma not in the minority. There is just a few people who complain that Cap doesn't suffer because he has to. You still have failed to explain what Cap did wrong.

Again, Cap put the stones back in place and come back. How is it any different than staying in the past and not changing the events ?

The dumb AI was the worst part and you all know it.

>Its incredibly selfish
You still haven't managed to explain how it is selfish. spoiler alert, it isn't.

It apparently is when you use it, user. And yes, you are in the minority. I hope you're okay coping with this being how Cap is viewed from now on - Captain America, the Niece Fucker.

It's fucking obvious they didn't know what the fuck to do with Cap, especially considering the fact that the Steve going through time rumor was a fucking thing between fans even before Infinity War and Endgame were being written. Feige also admits he lurks online messageboard (and mostly likely on Reddit) to see fans speculations and what they wanted and I don't doubt people suggested this dumbass idea a lot and he thought everyone would like it.

As for the Russos they got wanked pretty hard. Like, from day one, TWS was about Steve getting a clearcut enemy in a resurgent HYDRA rather than dealing with something actually new and challenging. Fans and Marvel Studios handed the Russos the keys to the kingdom because of a visually unremarkable slap fight inside an elevator.

Also reminder

>DEADLINE: You loved Spider-Man, growing up. How did you feel about Captain America?

>JOSEPH RUSSO: I didn’t love Captain America. It was not one of my favorite comics. I found him a very flat character. A little vanilla. I used to imagine Steve McQueen in my head when I would read the comics because at least it gave it a little bit more edge for me. What we pitched to Kevin was, listen, if you’re going to continue with the story, the fact that this guy crashes in the ice and is going to wake up in modern times is a perfect story reset for us to go after a different tone, a different theme, a different dimensional approach to the character…a modern approach. Our buzz terms are always post-modern and deconstruct; how can you either make something post-modern, or how can you deconstruct it? That’s when we get interested in the concept.

>ANTHONY RUSSO: To put it really crudely, the thing we would default to is just we want to butch Captain America way up, and we thought we had a narrative excuse to do it because he had been frozen for 70 years and wakes up in a world that he doesn’t recognize, and so he cannot be the same optimist that he was back in the day.

>suffer
He had twenty years to get over that cunt. Are you fucking 13 or something?

>IM2: Spends his life trying to live up to his father's legacy, well guess what daddy had an upgrade to your macguffin in the attic
>A1: Complains that they're not soldiers, a legitimate criticism Steve himself comes to acknowledge in Civil War
>A2: Gets told off for prepping for the endgame, Endgame comes and Steve has no answers not supplied by Strange
>Civil War: Tries to reach balance between accountability and autonomy with an open mind towards compromise and a bigass brand name to leverage on the government, only lashes out against a war criminal he had no realistic way of knowing the extent of brainwashing of who had nearly killed him earlier in the week
>IM3: Gets told to retire the suits, keeps them around and OH LOOK we have more movies where we need an Iron Man-level hero to save the day

In the end, Tony did literally nothing wrong.

>It apparently is when you use it, user
I didn't use such argument, I have actually explained my point. you haven't.
>Captain America, the Niece Fucker.
Funny how this wasn't what we talked about.
At which point in what movie is it established they fucked ?
At which point in what movie is the relationship between Sharon and carter established ?

The MCU was always the Tony show, and Steve was going to be eventually fucked over. Hell even Whedon had Tony prove him wrong.

That's beside the point. He simply had an opportunity to be with her. It's as simple as that.

You still haven't explained why cap shoudln't be with her.

>New York is nuked to stop Loki's invasion

Cap can stop that too.

I'm just bothered by how absurdly easy it is to have made sure Thanos never finished the damn gauntlet even assuming he held onto Mind, eventually dug up Power somewhere and by some leap of contrivance finds out how to snag Soul. Keep Jane Foster out of the planet alignment thing and even Reality might've stayed lost forever

Steve fucked his niece:
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>“Sharon Carter was a victim of what we came to realize as we were writing it, which is that if you’re writing scenes that set up people before the story has gotten to them, such as Steve and Sharon trying to make it work in an apartment, they’re gonna go because the movie does not have time to catch up ‘previously on the life of Steve Rogers,' "

It's so easy. Retire him. Make him a consultant. He clearly didn't do shit while in the past so he should be able to do it in the present. There's a reason why comic Cap always turns down the chance to go back in time.

I want to take a moment to appreciate how the Russos managed to make everyone watch an entire superpowered caper flick, before getting back to IW part 2.

Yeah. you're 13

>I'm just bothered by how absurdly easy it is to have made sure Thanos never finished the damn gauntlet
But he did. That was the whole point, the past can't be altered.

The real question is who's show is it going to be next? I'm surprised how sparingly they ended up using Captain Fungus, she's below even Hawkeye in main character standing

You literally demonstrated hat they scrapped the idea.

There you have it, Sharon and Steve never fucked, as they couldn't make it work in the movie.

I'm glad now that it's all wrapped up Yea Forums has made the totally unexpected decision to hate everything retroactively.

compared to MCU Cap? hell yeah but I still like Spidey and Cap's relationship more in the comics in the grounds that Steve always treated him as an adult when he gave Peter advice and always stirred him to think for himself and make his own decisions and there was mutual respect.

Prove him wrong how? AoU literally has Cap being right that making Ultron without consulting the team was wrong. They even have Tony repeat Steve's lines from earlier in the line about tackling threats. Cap was just sceptical that vision wouldn't be the same since Ultron already happen.

And you keep ignoring my points. All you keep saying is Steven shouldn't have stayed with Carter because it make him happy. That's not a valid reason.

>the past can't be altered
>but uh, if you go there and live all the way to the present naturally you can say hi to the present THERE
So what, Steve became basically a p-zombie all the way until the exact moment after he left? And are we not going to talk about Thanos' genjutsuesque reality stone shit? Or the apple experiments Dr. Strange pulled before even becoming the real sorceror supreme?

I just give up on MCU time manipulation doing anything other than what the plot needs it to.

When it ends like complete shit, it ruins what came before it

Jokes on you, I always disliked IW and thought it was really dumb that everyone jacked it off so hard when it essentially had the easiest task of any MCU film - set up a problem with no solution. That's the easiest fucking part of screenwriting. And of course they flub the ending.

>When it ends like complete shit
How does it end like shit ?

People saying that Cap NEEDED TO DO NOTHING are ignoring the giant elephant in the room: Loki.

Yes, it is. It was a completely selfish reason and totally not in his character. When your balls drop, maybe you'll understand

Cap letting his past self fuck his niece is pretty shitty and wierd.

No one, all the shows in phase 3 have slowly started to ditch the inter-connectivity to become their own stand-alone things. It'll gonna be a good long while before we get the next proper team up movie, and it'll probably be Marvel or Spidey because of the nature of their stories are more interwoven with the overarching world.

I'm hoping they do something with that loosed Loki from the other timeline

Loki is undone too. Cap went back in time to put everything back in place.

Watch the movie
Read the thread

On the one hand, realistically what advice could the rest of the team contributed? On the other, Vision ended up being so useless that I can't say he was worth making.

Fuck Loki. After Thor 3 the MCU has finally emasculated him beyond any hope of my ever seeing him as a serious threat again.

I don't care if Loki destroys the whole universe in his spinoff series, he'll always be a god of lies who fails at both lies and non-lies to me.

>It was a completely selfish reason and totally not in his character.
1. it is not selfish, you still have failed to explain how this is selfish.
2. It is in character.

No movies establish Cap fucked Sharon. No movies establish Sharon and carter are related.

GOTG 3

Everyone used to bitch about Sharon Carter. It's like the Russos wanted to make it more of a problem than it already was. Holy hell. The idea of making Steve the undisclosed Peggy's husband that was never shown before was incredibly stupid.

So, sort of what the DCEU is settling for. I can't say I mind, going forward I feel very little attachment for who's left apart from my niggas Thor, Wanda and Strange.

...
...she didn't technically have as shitty a life as the other team redhead, but in hindsight it's a miracle Wanda never backslid on going villain.

Was there any doubt?

I watched the movie, I read the thread, No one has provided a valide reason as to why it turn to shit.

Tell, me what is wrong, then ?

>The movie doens't even establish Sharon and Carter are related.
She calls her Aunt Peggy at Peggy's funeral. Are you retarded?

This, holy shit what were they thinking?

We're talking about how Tony is not able to lay down and sacrifice himself, not Ultron. Tony proved him wrong by sacrificing himself with that missile stunt.
She's going to be the one who drives the show for now, obviously them killing Tony was probably a calculated move to make fans aware that he's not coming back and for RDJ not to steal her thunder. Of course if things somehow crash and burn they cna just beg RDJ to comeback for some cameos or whatever.

Sharon and Peggy are never established to be related. How it is stupid ?

>muh convoluted time travel/not time travel solution
>Thor being emasculated
>Captain America being a niece fucking coward
That's just off the top of my head

You know, Marty should have really stayed in the past. It was really selfish of him to not stay in the past and stop JFK and John Lennon from being assassinated. Marty wanting to get back to the future to see Jennifer was really selfish of him.

Dude just stop embarrassing youself.

They should have let Cap die and Tony live, but then RDJ is totally done while Chris Evans may come back. I get they wanted to give Cap a happy ending and I dont really even mind him going back to Peggy considering, but they might have done something a bit less controversial

Also, I imagine Cap basically had to go off the grid and never wear the shield or do anything super heroic again to keep the timeline intact. It makes sense that he wouldn't interfere: he was more or less confined to being a normie

Captain Brie being so nonchalent at everyone else's climatic emotional nadir just makes her come off as an impossible charisma black hole. It doesn't help her showing up at the final battle is just >muh cosmic senses and the only person she had an attachment to, Fury, hadn't seen her in literal decades

You know kid calling unrelated friend of the family Aunt or Uncle is a thing, right ?

Yes they were. Did you sleep through the entirety of Civil War? Sharon gives a speech at Peggy's funeral and talks about how her Aunt Peggy was the first person to give her a holster.

The butthurt is palpable through the screen. Marty isn't into incest, unlike Steve.

It was a different time.

The movies established Sharon as Peggy's niece, bro. Even if Steve and Sharon didn't fuck on-screen they still kissed. Still fucking weird.

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Isn't Chris' contract up as well? I thought they were both out. Wouldn't blame them for wanting out on a high note

Yeah, he could have fucked his mom too and be like his hero, Captain America
>John Lennon
Nothing of value was lost

Getting the stones and putting them back in place is not convoluted
Thor end up getting his groove back
Sharon and Steve never fucked and you still failed to establish how he is a coward.

The Russos even talked about one of the cut scenes from Infinity War was Steve and Sharon sharing an apartment together. What the fuck.

>who's show is it going to be next?
The guy that the avengers relied on to make their new costumes.

Joking but it would be funny and kind of cool, at least I hope for a third movie.

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No, they should have just retired them and bring them back here and there in the future or recast them

Soon Chris will make more kino like Snowpiercer.

You could just out RDJ without killing Iron Man, plenty of ways to go about that. But I get the feeling even RDJ himself wanted Tony to die.

People are so fucking weird about Sharon Carter, even in Future Fight, the people behind that made an OC who was the daughter of Peggy Carter and Steve Rogers and they ended up naming her Sharon Rogers.

Comic Sharon is so badass, she didn't deserve this.

>NOOOOOO CAP ISN'T A NIECE FUCKER STOP IT STOP IT STOP IT
Holy shit the denial. Sharon and Peggy are related, deal with it fag.

There is no butthurt.

Like how is putting the stone back in place and coming back differnet than putting the stone back in place, staying and not altering the time.

Furthermore, Steve promised Tony he wouldn't do anything to remove Tony's daughter from the timeline.

Nah

>cap’s character defined by doing something and fuck the consequences because what’s right is right
>back in the 40s
>Bucky is being horribly tortured by Hydra, forced to murder his friends and kill for people who constantly hurt and abuse him
>just sits back for 70+ years and let’s that happen

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How does he return the soul stone, retard?
Thor gives everything up to muh strong black womyn
Going back to the past, instead of moving on is the coward's route.
You're a fucking Disney shill, aren't you?

>differnet
Phoneposter or child scrambling on the keyboard?

Okay but are we ever going to talk about Ross bitching the Avengers apart tho

And what about Dormammu

>Holy shit the denial
No movies established Cap and Sharon fucked. Also Sharon and Cap aren't related.

How can you faggots not understand that Cap deciding to remain in the past and not do any heroics for 60 goddamn years despite having foreknowledge of the future is problematic?

Here, i'll give you a hint. Everyone has been bitching about Zack Snyder making Wonder Woman not doing any heroics after the first Great War. Even Patty Jenkins, the director of the first Wonder Woman solo movie, complained about it. Because a hero not doing any heroics for decades despite conflicts and large wars happening looks shitty.

youtube.com/watch?v=4CMz3ikyN_s

Dormammu pinky-promised not to come back.

>she's qt
>find of she's a feminist
DROPPED

dumbass, they already said you cant change history. Its predestined. He cant prevent 9/11 if he even wanted too. But he fought for like 5 years in WW2 and 15 years in modern time. The guy deserves some rest and retirement.
Only way you can change history is if you remove the infinity stones from their natural order. Which is what happened to 2012 timeline when Loki took the space stone. 2014 timeline got altered when Tony snapped That version of Thanos away. Which means we have 3 timelines.

In the comic marvel verse when you time travel you always create an alternate universe with a new future. The OG timeline still happened. You can only change things back to the future style if you had a Doomlock. A device invented by Dr Doom. Which is why Dooms time machine is a thing thats always used.

Sharon and Peggy are. Cap fucked his own niece.

Dude where do you think he was on 9/11? Think he was there taking pictures of Falling Man?

Yikes

I'd agree, if Steve hadn't been through hell and back and saved the world. If anyone deserves retirement and a happy ending, it's Steve. His future with Peggy was stolen from him. He's been mourning her every movie since. It's nice to see the doomed lovers trope actually end nicely for once.

>How does he return the soul stone, retard?
Throw it in the pit ?
>Thor gives everything up to muh strong black womyn
Thor get to do what he love going on adventures and kicking asses.
>Going back to the past, instead of moving on is the coward's route.
It isn't. declining an opportunity for no actual reason is stupidity. Moving on is when there is nothing else to do about it.

All the incoming damage control by seething MCU drones will be glorious.

>I-it's good guys, stop criticizing Marvel y-you bigots

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Well, Cap is from a time where that was acceptable. He probably didn't think give it a second thought. Shit, it's still legal to marry your first cousin in New York.

>Thor giving everything up
GOD THIS. They even had him get a hug from his mom in the movie. It's particularly galling because MCU's Blackyrie is technically an ex-drunkard war criminal who used to round up victims for the Grandmaster's shits, giggles and depraved sodomite tendencies.

Clearly Nightmare will be under contract to the big D to steal Strange's pinky finger, then.

user, you know who else has been through hell and back?

Wanda, Natasha, Thor, Clint...

>Cap fucked his own niece.
No movies establish they fucked.

>Dude where do you think he was on 9/11?
How is that different than putting the stone back in place and coming back, not altering the past.

That is the future he chose.

>damage contro
There is no damage control. Just a bunch of edgy kids who think Cap must suffer because reason. Then they fall apart when they actually have to explain why it is wrong Cap stayed.

Nightmare works for Shuma-Gorath though.

The movie shows that you CAN change history because young Cap never came back - he changed history by being Peggy's dude instead of that crippled guy in Agent Carter.

>Giving the stand your ground speech to her instead of Cap
Fuck these movies

Yes not fucking your own niece to tide you over for your oneitis is true suffering.

Yup totally in character for the super patriot kid to sit back as many tragedies involving America occur.

they're already trying the damage control in this very thread

Endgame is the last MCU movie I’m going to watch. The quality has dropped of significantly since the early days, so I’m going to use this movie to jump ship.

>Dont worry peggy, hydr- i mean shield is in good hands.

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>It's particularly galling because MCU's Blackyrie is technically an ex-drunkard war criminal who used to round up victims for the Grandmaster's shits, giggles and depraved sodomite tendencies.
And ?
Dormammu can't come back because the seal are restored, user.

>user, you know who else has been through hell and back?
>other people didn't get an happy ending, so Cap shoudln't have one
How old are you, you know this isn't a valid argument at all, right ?

It's already here

Dormammu is seldom seen as an intangible galactus-sized energy monster physically encompassing all the worlds he rules in the comics though. Anything's possible, and I sincerely doubt they'll ever put Shuma on the big screen when Dormy is already sort of doing Galactus' shtick.

>It’s in character for cap to allow atrocities to happen

No movie establish Cap and Sharon fucked
How i it any different than putting the stones back in place an coming back with no alterations of the events.
Telling facts is not damage control.

So progressive

Steve probably held Sharon in his arms as a baby, and then as a woman.

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How is it differnet than putting the stone back in place and coming back with no alteration of the past.

What about Cap's promise to Tony to not alter the events that result in the birth of Tony's daughter ?

I think the idea was that she was going to be Steve's new love interest and supporting character but after her getting a poor reception they dropped it and totally make things even weirder by having Cap go back to Peggy like that.

And honestly it's their own damn fault, the way they handled the character was pretty badly. She could have just taken Widow's role in Winter Soldier pretty easily, hell watch Revenge and tell me she couldn't do anything that ScarJo did in that movie. Civil War also had her on a bigger role but again the Russos needed to advertise that Spider-Man movie and a lot of shit was fucking crammed in.

I feel even worse about the actress with all that fandom backlash and hate that she got and a lot of the uncomfortable questions with interviewers in Civil War she got about incest and how dare her character kiss the love of Peggy's life. Atwell also talking shit about the Sharon/Steve romance didn't help anyway. I honestly don't blame her if she wanted out of that environment. I mean media and MCUfans really defend Brie and call out mysoginy and whatever but some of them were also the same people who gave EVC shit for something she didn't have control of.

He's still sitting on his ass fingering Peggy as JFK is shit and the twin towers collapse.

>ex-drunkard war criminal who used to round up victims for the Grandmaster's shits, giggles and depraved sodomite tendencies in charge of THE SURVIVING ASGARDIAN PEOPLE while the rightful king fucks off to do space vagabound shit

Christ, I was giving the benefit of the doubt to this one. Look where that got me.

Is there a bigger power move than giving your child bride her own pacifier and telling her to suckle it while you're in bed together?

Well yeah, have you SEEN Peggy?
Have you SEEN those tits?

That makes it even worse. He says he won't alter the past yet he goes back and fucks his crush just because he wants to. How did he know that wouldn't cause changes?

Valkiry proved herself to hold the ship together while Thor was losing it. Thor getting down because he failed is completely in character and you know it.

How is staying and not altering the past different than coming back and not altering the past ?

Who's ready for Thor 4?

This gets to me, their relationship is already fucked up just by that simple fact that he knows her live's work is tainted by Hydra and he didn't do anything.

Only the degenerates in (((Hollywood))) would think this is a fitting ending to the man who fucking symbolizes America

Movie Canon > TV show and agents of who cares canon

>He says he won't alter the past yet he goes back and fucks his crush just because he wants to
That didn't alter the chain of events, otherwise, he wouldn't end up growing old in the same OG timeline

>Peggy: Oh Steve our niece Sharon is so cute, don't you just wanna kiss her?

These fuckers just wanted to shit all over the comics and have their own takes on these characters. Look at what they did to Spider-Man

You mean Asgardians of the Galaxy V3.

I am ready for Guardian of the Galaxy 3.

I've never seen a single Thor movie

Right yes, holding a ship together is clearly evidence of sound adminstration for an entire civili-why the fuck do I bother. Why the fuck do I bother to argue with someone claiming it's "in character" to abandon responsibility and let any idiot take the helm because of plot

OP, why would he go back in time only to undo the battle they just fought? If cap went back, and changed the past atrocities even preventing the holocaust, 9/11, and so on. That would have defeated the purpose of fighting thanos at all.
Since he had to restore the time line he cannot alter it.
Dr. Strange said he looked at all possibilities he could and only found one solution where they win. Cap fuck with any of that would end in their loss.

Ragnarok undid a lot of goodwill for me. So no, I'm not ready to see life hand Thor his ass again.

Thor 2 get way too much shit. it's actually good, but I guess it came out around the first wave of MCU fatigue.

was Thor made a Guardian so he can face Adam? he's the only who has a chance with him

Maybe Cap is into it

Beta Ray Bill x Sif when?

I remember how everyone had been saying that Steve kissing Sharon was incest, despite Steve and Peggy never even having any real relationship before. Russos basically turned that bogus complaint into reality.

>Even Peggy Carter's portrayer herself, actress Hayley Atwell, isn't a fan of Steve/Sharon. "I just feel that, you know — I wouldn't want to date my aunt's guy," she told the crowd at the Dallas Comic Con Fan Expo this weekend, according to IGN. "It just feels like it crosses an incestuous boundary. And Peggy just died! That's even more disrespectful, right? It's like, don't touch that. You can't tap that!"
>Atwell's objections don't only come from an outsider's perspective as a fan watching the film; she also objects to the Steve/Sharon pairing on a character level. "First of all, [Peggy]'d be turning over in her grave," she said. "She'd inject herself with the blue serum and become a super villain. She'd break out of her coffin and ground [Sharon]. She'd ground her! Then she'd kick Steve's ass as well." (Note to Marvel Studios: I would pay good money to see that movie.) "On all levels, it's just a big fat no," Atwell finished.

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yes, that's what Tony does really. He keeps making new suits. Better and stronger.

>implying Adam will ever amount to anything other than an aftercredit cocktease
HA, I bet you thought Mordo would've been back by now too

so why bother go back?
he was bored?

The worst part is that after The First Avenger and Winter Soldier Markus and Mcfeely would brainstorm or say what they wanted to do in the sequels and they were some interesting stuff in there like Bloodstone hunt, bringing in Taskmaster, doing something with AIM and MODOK, 50's Cap, they even wanted to bring John Walker into the movies and do something with him. They were big Gruenwald fans.

Want to know what the Russos had planned if Civil War wasn't approved? a story based on the madbomb with Zemo as the main villain mostly because they wanted to do a political commentary about angry mobs and also wanted to see Cap fight zombies. Seriously they didn't give a shit about Cap.

How is that different than coming back after having put the stones back in place and not altering the past? Especially if altering the past has explicitly been explained as causing the destruction of everything.

>Peggy turns into a supervillainess over incest and cuckoldry
I'm not gonna lie, I want this more than I should

So she's saying that if her character found out about Steve and Sharon that relationship would instantly end?

more female super villian would be awesome

>so why bother go back?
He had to put the stone back in place. Did you see the movie ?

Indeed.

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>remembers all those times Bucky got the girls Steve liked and was his big alpha Chad buddy
>then recalls his broken dependant abused state in the future is his fetish and just lets it happen

>that scene with Thor and Rocket on Asgard
>it was so good and bad at the same time because of lebowski Thor

>The world has changed and none of us can go back. All we can do is our best, and sometimes the best that we can do is to start over.

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he had to put the gems back where they took them remember? There is a point where sending yourself back intime just to put all the pieces back, you have no means of getting back.

did Peggy know she will eventually fuck Cap?

you do know hank is back right?

Peggy was already fucking Cap, and this was her giving Past Steve the go ahead to fuck her niece as well. Sharon always fancied her uncle.

a better question, how did Cap brought the Aether back to Asgard? did he gave the soul stone back to Red Skull like nothing?

Thor went from being the shittiest member of the Trinity to the second best.

does the time vortex in tiny land have the ability to go back and forth through time?

the biggest offense is Hank showing up on Tony's funeral

wasnt that done with all the stones? He probably set shit right before putting them back.

How did Adam go from this to a weakling weaker and more fragile than Spider-man?

the daughter probably forced him to

>How did Adam go from this to a weakling weaker and more fragile than Spider-man?
When did that happen? In every story I've read he's an absolute beast who fights with the big boys.

kek some cosplayers knew about it

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maybe his powers dwindled over time like aging?

Man, we are never going to get Hank and Tony interactions.

Adam doesn't age, he goes into a cocoon and is reborn.

why? the man saved the universe, even if you hated someone, a guy who sacrificed himself for your sake everyone elses deserves some respect.

so wait, why go into a cocoon and be reborn when he doesnt age? Because he is wounded from a fight?

If he dies he goes in a cocoon
If he's badly hurt he goes in a cocoon
If he wants to learn how to use new PHENOMENAL COSMIC POWERS he goes in a cocoon
Cocoons solve everything.

The moment that was most uncomfortable was when he explained himself to Sam by saying he wanted what Tony has. Wtf, was this a rushed alternate ending?

AMERICA FORCE
Serious answer, if I had to guess he waited until Thor showed up on Earth to give it to him and since it teleported Clint to the pool while he was dangling I wouldn't be surprised if the Soul Stone makes it's own arrangements

Yes they do, even the problem of spider-spider man being pregnant with Peter Parker so that he can carry him fully grown, wide awake, and die giving birth to himself.

Kek, of all the ways to explain organic web shooters they just HAD to go with crazy bug queen attempted rape and murder.

Tony fucked his niece? I must have missed that

Honestly, time heist was the best part of this movie

The whole movie is full of dumb shit like that.

Yes and the Disney shills are going to be full damage control in a few hours

I'd argue Thanos just blowing through nearly everything they threw at him without the stones was. It's funny to me how they never actually had time explain why Thanos is so fucking strong all by himself, like does anyone even know shit about Titans as a race other than what he showed them or whether or not they're heavyworlders or some crazy Celestial experiment?

No, from start to finish all the movies want you to know about Titan physiology is that apparently they could've all beaten the shit out of the Hulk just because.

I would imagine since you have the powers of God things would work on a whim of what you desired. So simple Steve telling the stones what to do while holding that power made it happen.

Eternals will be Thanos' backstory

>shooters
the other was pretty cool tho, I like Peter going spider on a faggy spirit vampire.

Do you even lift, bro?

And some skinny woman with no ass managed to withstand Default Thanos that kicked Thor and Hulk’s collective ass effortlessly.

Wouldn't be surprised, the movie felt like it was Frankensteined. They filmed multiple deaths and alternate shots to the point the actors didn't know what was real and what the story was about. Back in January one of the suppose leakers even mentioned how Strange made it so the stones appeared in Tony's gauntlet but when Tony was going for said gauntlet Steve would take it and reference the wire cutting speech about sacrifice he told Tony in Avengers and that he would be the one who would end Thanos and disintegrate. Tony would then go back to Pepper and Morgan and retire.

Obviously I called bullshit on that but now that I think about it I also wouldn't be surprised if they have something like that filmed or even if they have a scene were Hawkeye gets sacrificed to the soul stone.

But the whole retconning shit and going back is starting to affect them and they're developing the same problems the comics have Even in this film it's obvious they didn't know what to do with Captain Marvel and they didn't know when they wrote the script what Carol's story was going to be about. Not to mention Carol going back to space and not looking for Monica and Maria makes her look bad.

Honestly the only part of that I was bothered by was his dual blade just smashing through Caps shield which has taken blows from magical weapon of the gods. What the fuck was that

She got space problems to deal with. Don’t got time for 2 humans.

MCU shield less durable than MCU Uru.

>what tony has
>Cassandra’s curse, PTSD, extreme anxiety, ADD, an extremely shortened lifespan from all the shit he’s taken
Enjoy your 40s asylum, Steve.

Yeah the "Muh space needs me" shit is the obvious sign they didn't know what the fuck to do with her.

Endgame reactions in a nutshell
youtube.com/watch?v=NpYEJx7PkWE

Hey now, they did make a point establishing that in the MCU using the Gauntlet is apparently so agonising to the wielder only Thanos seems to be buff enough to do it by himself reliably. Steve's come a long way, but I don't think he's dad bod level buff yet

Will it now? If so I'm going to have a sensible shuckle since DC's apparently planning on a New Gods movie and judging by Thanos they're all going to look like lanklets. Seriously Endgame made him so fucking durable I'd believe MCU Thanos could solo Steppenwolf.

Without the gauntlet.

HE IS NATURALLY STRONGER AND MORE DURABLE THAN THE SPACESHIP HE BUILT. THAN THE SPACE WHALES BIGGER THAN HIM. THAN EVERYTHING HE'S BUILT. THAN A FUCKING INFINITY STONE.

That's...that's such a violation of how pure body vs tech normally goes in the MCU it's actually amazing to me.

To be fair, Mjolnir seems to be a pure blunt force weapon in the MCU, except when doing lightning. I get the impression they desperately soft-nerfed the shield from "negates all kinetic energy" to "negates a lot of kinetic energy, and is weak to edges".

Same reason why T'challa got one punched when he took on Thanos in his vibranium suit, I suppose

Okay sure but...come on, we can NOT avoid the question of Peter Parker's canonical origin for organic webshooters revolving around auto-beastiality-manpreg

>retconning shit
what was exactly retconned?
2nd I dont think you can help it when it comes retconning things when ypu make stories as rediculous as Cmic book adaptations.

Here's something people don't talk about: They establish the Gauntlet fucks wielders with cosmic energy super hard, especially when all 6 stones are in it. Thanos had all six stones when he was putting it on. Thanos was literally in the middle of putting the gauntlet on when Captain Fungus jumped in, and her whole struggle was over pulling the gauntlet off.

She didn't win a brawl with Thanos. She overtaxed Thanos while he was multitasking and taking heavy damage (remember: ONE stone has apparently slain Celestial wielders and took a half-Celestial and his pals to share the raw load) and he still had enough stamina to adjust tactics.

>Hey now, they did make a point establishing that in the MCU using the Gauntlet is apparently so agonising to the wielder only Thanos seems to be buff enough to do it by himself reliably. Steve's come a long way, but I don't think he's dad bod level buff yet
But doesnt the gauntlet only cause agony based on what the user wants to do with it? Or is it just putting it on? Because It seems that snapping and unsnapping with the gauntlet causes a lot more strain than just using them to go back in time, but I guess Asgard being brought back is crazy too.

Explain how the headbutt did nothing.

The more outrageous the feat, the greater the burden the user must bear. I would assume using all 6 Infinity Stones at once is too much for anyone to bear without suffering some sort of injury.

>Okay sure but...come on, we can NOT avoid the question of Peter Parker's canonical origin for organic webshooters revolving around auto-beastiality-manpreg
Well I think it's due to what was gained once it happened people could ignore the stupidity of the other, I mean Peter got stronger and faster and night vision and organic web shooters and could use his sticky parts to carry people on his back and even Stingers that arent spider based. I mean they could say those where spider fangs and Peter's arms were simply a spiders mandibles but no.

I strongly get the impression it's both, but yeah

>snapping and unsnapping with the gauntlet causes a lot more strain than just using them to go back in time

Just looking at visuals in the movie, this seems to be accurate as well. I distinctly remember Collector being very specific about how lethal even single stones are to Celestial bearers

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I'm going to say something controversial now: Carol is kind of buff. She is basically the Tesseract version of Wanda, and I don't think there's any controversy about Wanda forcing Thanos to call in the spaceship.

So sure, she withstood the headbutt on pure powerlevel. She ALSO alpha striked Thanos in the first 20 minutes, closed the distance, took a grapple and STILL gotta swatted aside leaving Thor, War Machine and Hulkbuster to jump in. This was need I remind you, a badly wounded Thanos from ANOTHER snap to break the Stones that left his side all fucked up and burnt, with nothing left to fight for, totally at peace with his demise. He still fought off the Fungus more than he did Stormbreaker when he was whole and hale.

Minor aside: I think she also happened to be flying during the headbutt and...fuck if I know about aerodynamics but isn't there less shock than if she were standing?

maybe it did and that's why Steve agreed so much.

I think the gauntlet was more to protect the user of the stones rather than to just hold them.

aged*

I must urge you to watch the Collector's account up there. Steve surviving a snap for more than a milisecond is more horseshit than Steve turning out to be one of the cosmic beings' champions.

Sure, let's go with that. Thanos isn't Ego-tier. Probably. In that case, I'd like to propose that the protection is relative: A severe, Hulk arm-breaking shock instead of total annihilation in an instant.

Doesn’t the super soldier serum slow Cap’s aging?

well mind you they all put the stone into something. Like hold a rod of uranium or something would kill any one, but in the case of the stones it seems they only needed to put the stone in an item to survive its power, I mean the Kree dude Ronan, he just put it in his weapon.

It's very, very unclear user. From what I can tell it might a little, but the youth in the last few movies was mostly the freezing.

Yeah, speaking of Ronan: They REALLY needed to address why Fungus hasn't completely dismantled the Kree empire by now after them being her big bads. If she can react to Thanos on earth in time for the big battle, there's no reason she shouldn't have reacted to Ronan using his ultimate weapon on Xandar unless some other alien warlord held some Infinity Stones at the time which is frankly impossible.

if anything what the stones are used for causes more stress when its snapping people out of existence, remember the thanos gauntlet melted in the IF war movie by the feed back.

I think it still has to do with Carol being just one person a the Kree being a galactic empire. cant destroy Rome in a single day I guess.

yes.

You know, I was meaning to go there. It would be odd Thanos was such a feared force when he seems to have relatively few forces not located in one ship if he wasn't such a force of nature in person

The final battle of endgame could have been a great way to redeem Ronan and the Kree.

> The Russos read that fanfic on Yea Forums where Cap dances with Peggy, didn't they?

They made the Kree so pointlessly evil and petty in Captain Fungus' debut I now sincerely think they exist solely because the suits want a new designated stock model alien race for heroes to kill in Phase 4 after Thanos' robot dinosaur things are all snapped.

Speaking of wasted alien races: Anyone else thought the Sovereign got done dirty? For a hyperadvanced alien race they sure came across like a bunch of mooks somehow even when technically only thwarted by a cosmic being coming down to save his son. Technically they were the wronged party even, Rocket literally stole those batteries.

It's just hard to take Adam seriously after their whole fiasco.

Well they were pacified by the time GotG happened and doing nice with the Xandarians. We still need to see that story.

The Ronan thing is another story.

Reminder that the original Adam Warlock was created by EARTH scientists. His origin isn't important.

Why keep them on one ship? It's just makes for an easy target and his warriors were worthy of their own ships. Dont forget there is a status thing going on here. However Thanos probably left Kree soldiers on the planets he "saved" from their own population.

It was most likely Feige, he admitted to reading internet message boards to gauge fan opinions and what they want and the way some of these recent films have been going I can see it.

I honestly thought towards the end when Cap goes back in time to return the stones and Bucky looks to the other side shortly after, it was going to be Widow there sitting on the bench, as a way to imply Cap found a way to make himself the sacrifice for the soul stone instead of her, that would been a much more compelling way to retire him and make her comeback IMO.

I had theorized that the Time Vortex was caused by Thanos restoring the Mind Stone using the Time Stone (which would make the events in Infinity War have a direct, meaningful purpose in setting up the winning timeline).

Buddy.

There's a romance subplot between Happy and May.

basically they werent evil in my opinion just superior and the antagonists. That doesnt mean they are evil just means they are trying to hinder the protags progress.

Let's face it, the real reason the ending ended the way it did was because Chris and Scarlett have had enough of the MCU's wild ride and want off in a reasonably dramatic fashion

Actually about that: In Avengers 1 Selvig said the Tesseract wanted to show them a whole new universe. It seemed like it was opening a portal to one, it wasn't clear but then we got portals for the 9 Realms in Thor 2 (which I swear, is like some kind of government amnesiac for how little I remember of it). But in Infinity War, Rocket just flies all the way over to Nidavellir.

What gives? Did they retcon Thanos' holdings from "across universes" to "across planets" or retcon the 9 Realms from different universes to different planets?

>They made the Kree so pointlessly evil and petty in Captain Fungus' debut
Supposedly a lot of the Kree scenes got deleted and it had scenes that humanized Yon-Rogg and some of the other Starforce members.

It's fine. In a solo battle I accept that Marvel is stronger than Thanos. In any case, Thanos was wounded (because Scarlet) and surrounded, using the stone of power for BTFO Carol was the best move he could make.

Also, Carol herself said in her movie," I have nothing to prove". Well as far as I'm concerned, this also applies to Thanos who was extremely smart here.

user, he doesn't trade lives not even his.

But yeah that would be nice, he lived his life and now he's going to give Widow hers back, and it would make sense especially after the Russos also hammered down that she was an important relationship for Steve.

actually thinking about your idea in a cinematic sense you would have to do a whole extra scene of cap sacrificing himself. It just wouldnt work, or at least look very good.

You can't change your own timeline's history. They effectively jumped into alternate universes and plucked their infinity stones and used those. Whatever they did in any of those timelines, like even if they aborted Thanos like Warmachine suggested, it'd have made no difference for their present.

Doesn't work. He'd have to have returned via the platform and he didn't. They broke their own rules of time travel and you have to stretch to make it work. If anything, it's bad storytelling.

Weren't they literally trying to kill all the Skrulls because reasons that were never explained and the movie was busy making out the Skrulls to be peaceful refugees?

I'm legitimitely not sure if I'm being baited here or not. I do honestly agree with the spoiler, wasn't sure about the order between SW's attack and Carol's.

Thanos took absurd amounts of punishment for someone not wearing power armor. No wonder he outlasted all his forces getting snapped

>this would also leave the universe open for based widowbucky with some cameos in the falcon/bucky bro show

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So Cap lived a life with an alternate Peggy Carter? Did he cucked Sthe guy who was suppose to be Peggy's husband? Did he cucked that alternate Steve Rogers? Who woke up in the future and is probably really confused and upset as to why another older Steve lived the life he envisioned?

relms are just separating the galaxy into parts like colonists did with let's say north America. it's still the universe but means of travel just vary

This reminds me that Sebastian Stan was pushing for Bucky and Widow since he read and liked the Winter Soldier comics but that ship got sunked I guess.

This movie made a lot of shippers mad and they are all turning on the Peggy and Steve shippers, it's pretty hilarious.

Ugh. Total letdown if true when they already have the eldritch 'verses the Masters of the Mystic Arts can access. Hey, that means MCU Infinity Stones can sorta work outside their universe since Strange flew in to deal with Dormammu with the Time Stone around his neck. Neat.

Yeah. He cucked himself at the very least. If he cucked Peggy's actual husband, he has no reason to be in the main timeline. If he was there all along and that's how things always were, he knows that he was in a relationship with his niece and did everything he could not to do the right thing for his entire life, just to give Falcon the shield.

>Weren't they literally trying to kill all the Skrulls because reasons that were never explained and the movie was busy making out the Skrulls to be peaceful refugees?
It was war and the Skrulls werent just a gaggle of refugees there were some just escaping the war and the Skrulls will probably be the next antagonistis in the next CM movie where they make super skrill again but copying CMs powers. Would make a really good story and show things arent as black and white as they try to make it in CMovie

Cap was more than 100 years old. The serum made him look like 70 something.

That's nice speculation and all, but I seriously don't remember the movie even talking about the war other than the Kree starting it for shits+giggles. Seriously, seriosuly hope I'm wrong about this.

well mind you other universe exist. Dormamuu and shuma gorath are an entire universe and can only invade by sending in their avatar.

>Niece
>Not daughter from future me under undercover

They made all window x someone shippers mad, blueballed all of them basically, the madmen.

>You can't change your own timeline's history. They effectively jumped into alternate universes and plucked their infinity stones and used those. Whatever they did in any of those timelines, like even if they aborted Thanos like Warmachine suggested, it'd have made no difference for their present.
that makes no sense to send the stones back in time then, They need to go back to kill thanos would have changed the timeline to something else entirely, that's why they could not do it, but it makes little sense if cap goes back intime and still shows up old in the same timeline.

Wait so this either is a loop or it isn't, if it is it's not an alternate timeline and he really didn't cuck anyone since he was always going to go back. If he went to an alternate timeline it means it wasn't a loop but he prevented Peggy from meeting the guy she married in the main timeline and in that alternate timeline a Steve Rogers is frozen who will wake up and find that there's a Steve Rogers who lived hisbkife with Peggy, saved Bucky from being Winter Soldier, prevented the death of the Starks, etc... Unless heblet things playvout the same in that timeline which would be pretty fucked up as much as it would if it was a loop.

Kree was controled partly by thanos, but they still had treaties with other planets who could fight back like the nova corp.

>baited here or not
Wow, just realised this should've gone

>that makes no sense to send the stones back in time then
Except without those stone, their universe is fucked. also, it's not an alternate reality, or old Steve wouldn't end up in the OG timeline.

>Not future Caps daughter from undercover*

it could still be a loop, because Steve could have not just showed up and everything was fine, shit happened and they broke up and got back together. Drama happens.
But on the loop thing it works as you say an alternate time line would mean they didnt need to put things back.

What's the difference between Cap going to the 40s and just waiting for 70 years doing nothing and him putting the infinity stones back before coming to the present?

The fact that multiple people in this thread and other places can't agree on the multiple timelines or not thing says a lot about how unecessarily complicated things ended up being. I mean you had Ancient One saying it could created multiole timelines if the stones aren't returned and then Hulk says it doesn't matter but Cap goes back anyway and he probably did create an alternate timeline.

>Put Aether back in Jane
>Use Mind stone to wipe everyone's memories

Pretty fucking easy mate.

how is an alternate time line not an alternate reality? If anything Strange says that only one timeline they win. So having everything going back to normal still has to effect the present. Unless timelines cross into eachother and then of each other, but even then you have a reality where peggy married Steve and another where she didnt. Her being with Steve wouldnt happen if Steve didnt go back and old Steve would exist if he didnt go back in time. In the end Steve going back was a fixed timeline that was supposed to happen.

>they could have just made this into an epic odyssey of a one way trip to gather all the stones before thanos uses them again and keep the plot consistent and cohesive
>instead they went with time travel fuckery
Why, if anything time stone could have been used as last resort thing to fuck with Thanos plan if he were to get the upperhand once again, you could call it a deus ex machina, but that'd been better than what we got

Time Travel was a mistake.

They were alas too tempted by the visiting past movies trope that is so common in anniversary or franchise events.

Not even disarmed Thanos, he could've just targeted Star Lord instead.

ok then it seems to me, that cap going back in time and putting the stones back because reasons he sent himself back to the time line he was from and all this time after the first captain America movie there had been two Steves. That means their present was never goin to change therefore Steve was always there

Gotta attract all those Dr. Who fans disappointed with 13

>Thanos could of won again if it wasn't for Carol
APOLOGIZE INCELS

>could have just someone steal the gauntlet and revert everything

but that sounds like abandoning their time line to make a new one. If it was a single time line then all is well and good but alternate time line and leaving the universe behind is kind of what Cape movies arent about.

>Hawkeye literally has the gauntlet
>doesn't use it
is it because he will die from using it OR you have to be strong to use it?

>Carol was a speedbump for Thanos eclipsed by Wanda
OH NO NO NO

Both, yes they spent a lot of movies talking about how even the swole must fear the stones

>if it wasn't for Carol
>if it wasn't for Scarlet
>if it wasn't for Scott
>if it wasn't for Cap

And last, but not last, it it wasn't for "FUCK YEAH, I'M IRON MAN!",

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Wanda being the only one to actually be clearly winning against Thanos was the best part of the fucking movie.
Her show better be good, it's almost the only thing I'm honestly looking forward to when it comes to the MCU

Why did Scott just step on Thanos at the start of the fight?

Is it possible Steve could have still done some superhero work behind the scenes? Obviously he can't interfere with stuff that he knows would affect the present. But maybe he could have done some top secret missions that no one besides Peggy knew about.

Why didn't Odin show up in the entire Thor sequence, shouldn't have he known and notice any of this happening to moment he and the rest of Avengers landed on their timelines?

*Didn’t

Doesn't touching the stone fuck you up?

Strange doesn't even touch the time stone, he like uses a device+his magic to use it

Too puss to use it, wants to see his family again I guess. MCU Hawkeye has never been very good.

>steve recalls all his x-men memories

do you really think that will stop him? Thanos is incredibly durable and strong

it's very likely and probably suffered from not being able to intervene in certain historical events, but realistically this would have led the story to unpredictable changes.

>Captain America, in his paranoia that the timeline must be undisturbed, ends up creating all the various Hydra atrocities that happened plus real life events like 9/11 etc

>all this contrive shit was setup for the Disney + What if show
WEW LAD

Time travel can only work if you focus on one group of people and focus on their progression through multiple timelines that keep inter changing.
Like let's say time is like a waving string attacked to the end of a fishingpole. you real in what is the timeline. Now think of the multi time travel where you have multiple strings to reel in but they can phase in and put of eachother and when you reel those time lines in, the action of reeling in is actually the person moving forward in his own time. So in the end When you focus on the individual experience of time travel you are actually viewing his time line

>Cap + Logan in Korea or Vietnam is now a possibility

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>ScarJo tired of the MCU
>Black Widow prequel movie incoming with her back for the role

he probably did and knew from his all knowing mind could not interfere

Reading about Doomlocks made me think...
That one day the MCU will be definitively over (which is going to be VERY VERY far, maybe when this website is dead) someone will use a Doomlock, and reset the whole MCU so that it creates a loop of the entire series' events

yeah but Tony had his suit to support him but you know

which villain will steal the time machine? Kang? Doom?

>Time travel can only work if you focus on one group of people and focus on their progression through multiple timelines that keep inter changing.

Probably this.

>War criminal
What

once old cap had a happy life, we went back again to when he first showed up to live with peggy
then old cap kills regular age cap before he changes anything, closing the branch and returns to the future

Yeah I mean, what's to say maybe Steve did try to stop a lot of those (and he might have forgotten/never learned some) but either failed or ended up causing them to happen in the first place?

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because when you think about it while having no experience in physics, just the act of going back in time creates a new timeline. That's just arguing if that act wasnt already predestined to happen.

Well he did die anyway, use stone=die

Remember how the Gotg gang had to hold hands to use one?

yeah, it's like that twilight zone episode where a time traveler went back intime to kill Hitler as a baby only actually kill herself and an innocent child while the real Hitler turned out to be adopted. It's like the timeline adjusts its self to keep going or all those efforts from a time traveler created Hitlers rise to power.

oh yeah but having all of them and not poofing instantly? I think his suit helped sustain him long enough to do one thing.

Is there a Marvel god of some kind to be able to bring back the OG Avengers who died, even just temporarily?

can someone confirm which Nebula died? those fucking cunts in front of me was so noisy i got pissed and zoned out

>that Black Widow at the back

It's also possible that the information recorded in the history books were false/wrong in the first place and Steve ended up not being able to change anything.

Well fuck it, Tony is as strong as the Russo's want him to be.

I'm just glad Captain Marvel barely did anything.

>since he read and liked the Winter Soldier comics
More like he just wanted to make out with ScarJo.

>yfw Chris Evans returns to be the Human Torch

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again I think the suit was what helps sustained him or let's say CONTAIN him because he basically became the gauntlet while the suit acted as a proxy of the user.

the good thing that comes out of this is that based russos BTFO's all those gay faggots shipping cap with bucky.

oh man, that would be something. But torch has to be Peter's age right?

>He's not. He might affect Peter but Uncle Ben clearly happened.
It really doesn't matter. Spider-Man had a boost in popularity with the younger crowd thanks to the mcu and Tom Holland and now there's an entire generation of casuals thinking that Iron Man is really a part of his mythos. I think that's what that user meant.

it was asain fan girls. Not really the LGBT community. I really dont get why they love gay love so much.

you mean part of his origin? Because Iron man is apart of Spider lore.

Won't somebody else try to collect the stones again?

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main timelines stones are dead

Nah, Steve/Bucky had a huge fujoexplosion after CW, plenty of western shippers and generally of the most exhausting, noisy kind. Most comic based fujos like Tony/Cap because of 616.

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Have you seen these asain girls? a lot of them are the major creators of fan fic comics.

Of course I meant part of his origin, don't be a cheeky cunt.
>Because Iron man is apart of Spider lore
Yeah bud I too read the shitfest that was comics civil war. It's marvel, everyone has interacted with one another at some point and Spidey cameo is a sure way to boost book sales, just like shoving RDJ in every movie became another tickets boost, doesn't mean he has any point in being there.

So? Asian fujos will always fujo. Western fujos are just as bad, relatively. I think the stony fan base is much stronger due to the longevity, though.

meant for

So who can make ironman tech/arc reactors now?

They’ll synergy it into the comics, you know this.

I did think that MCU Pete being this kid from Iron Man 2 is cute as hell, though.

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Why didn't you just reprogram the synapses to work collectively?

FRIDAY, probably. She might even get her own body.

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not trying to be a cheeky cuntaru. Because my non existant autism just made me go wait, what? I dont know if you are a native English speaker and that doesnt change any thing but from my perspective Origin and mythos doesnt mean the same thing. at least from where I am from. Not trying to be a dick, just asking a dumb question I suppose.

I've been spoiling people on Twitch for like 20 hours straight but that's only via text trolling and that fucking site has just banned my entire IP range.
I guess I need another target and strategy, then. What is the most damage that can be done with this image?

You can join this shit if you want .gg/8aFqpz

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HULK SNAP

>Peter will get a new AI waifu
ITS NOT FAIR

Banner or the wakanda chick that's as smart as Tony.

but to add on this note, thing was that Tony knew Peter when he was a kid but after when spidey was established hero already with his own costume. Long before the Other and shit, which I am guessing you knew.

Tape that picture to your shirt and go to the cinema

you know I think I will see the movie in theaters instead, I want this to do much better than Captain Marvel.

at my local cinema a good third of us clapped when thanos socked her

I dunno, I am glad that thanos is more than a match for her regardless of what and whoever it was said that CM was the strongest.

>Giving money to Disney

past

I have no problem with that.

>when Captain Marvel appears in the final battle

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>He had to put the stone back in place.
Loki you dumb asspain

I kinda hope girls cheered when she showed up only to get socked in the face soon later.

I liked how BP remembered Clint's name.

>I don't care

In all seriousness though, who at Marvel thought it was a good idea to create such a blatant power imbalance with Carol? Heavyweights like Thor and Thanos are nerfed in the movies to keep things relatively competitive for the rest of the cast. Even stuff like spaceships are weakened with FTL travel being something that can only be used with special gateways. But for some reason movie Carol seems to be exempt from this rule, and is pretty close in power to her comic self.

In some ways it's even worse than how Justice League used Superman. At least it was Steppenwolf he was dominating, and not Darkseid. Meanwhile the villain that Marvel's spent almost a decade building up requires the Power Stone just to hold his own against Carol.

>they are all turning on the Peggy and Steve shippers
Nobody shipped those two though

The thing about SteveTony is that there's so many damn universes out there Marvel has created with the two of them that it gives the fujos for that ship a lot of flexibility and staying power throughout the last decade or longer. SteveBucky only has the MCU.

>that makes no sense to send the stones back in time then,
The stones were from other timelines. They were already fucking around as is, no need in taking others down as well.

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Thanks user

You can’t say cap interfering will fuck everything up but excuse him being there in the first place. His very existence there would fuck things up even if he does just sit on his ass during every significant disaster or war.

>All these people upset he got to have a happy ending
He already gave more than anyone could ask for. The man deserved a chance at a happy, normal life - he signed on for one war, not to be fighting forever. He was already taken from the time he was supposed to be in - the stones weren't the only thing he was putting back where they belonged.

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I can't see it as a happen ending for him. Yeah he's back with Peggy, but he's stuck with the knowledge of all the horrible things that are happening to Bucky, will eventually happen to Tony, and everything else in history that he can do nothing to prevent.

Brie probably had a fit when they suggested Thanos beats her, then they suggested him using the Power Stone to beat her and she had another fit.

Seriously why in the FUCK did they use Brie? That's the only reason I dislike Captain Marvel this time around. They could have replaced her with literally any other female actor and I'd be down.

He groomed her specifically for the task, because the timeline cannot be altered

>hurrrrrrrrrrr why don't man break timeline and end up killing more people than save???

>Steve was the MCU version of Carol's son-rapist all along, except in reverse

"We need a leading lady cheaper than literally Scarlet Johansson"
"I know the girl who played the blonde singer in Scott Pilgrim but-"
"Perfect"

I used to think Thanos could brute force his way out of magic too, but nope. He got man handled like a little bitch by Wanda, who should be leagues weaker than Dr. Strange...

I don't mind it as he represents what humanity can achieve through hard work and intelligence.

Yup, he got man handled, and had to resort to cheating.

He was such a little errand bitch boy in the MCU. I still remember in the ASM where Spider Man took on most avengers simply because he thought they were testing him as a joke, and fought all their asses to a standstill. Honestly they could redeem Spiderman in the MCU if they actually make him get more swole over time like he did in the comics, and actually make him OP like he was supposed to be. God that scene with him quivering before Captain Marvel really pissed me off too...

In the MCU Peter being raised to be Tony's protege was much better than shit we got with Riri in the comics.

lol you are sad.

Eh its better than Captain Marvel, thats definitely the worst MCU Movie. At least Thor 2 had a damn good last act. The worst part about the Thor movies are Darcy, good god do I hate that character

The Kree and Skrull are metaphors for westerners and migrants, so of course it would make sense for them to make the Kree super evil and imperialistic, and the poor widdle invader Skrulls as sympathetic, even though every incarnation of them has always been cold calculating invaders, who slowly erode a system from the inside... Really makes ya think about what hollywood wants us to accept.

Im more interested in if whether or not we;; get a Nova story, you know since Xandar and the Nova corps got Thanosed. Maybe their elite survived just long enough so send out an experimental suit, that lands in the hands of a teenage Richard Rider. From there we get a Shazam style movie about a teen who transforms between overpowered adult form, and being a loser kid from his school.

>God that scene with him quivering before Captain Marvel really pissed me off too...

user, MCU Spider-man is 16 at best and relatively inexperienced. 616 Spider-man is a veteran 28-year-old super hero who saw the worst shit and survived. In the 90s he was also way more serious and determined than today.

Dude, he literally wanted to kill himself to get the Soul stone. He didn't just because Natasha beat him to it.