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Doing my first Claremont read through and just got to the Trial of Magneto. Is now a good time to break or does it get good again again? How is X-Factor? Why is New Mutants so fucking awful outside of Magick?
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You can certainly keep reading X-Men or you could just skip to the big crossovers: Mutant Massacre(this is important, especially if you want to read X-Factor), Fall of the Mutants, Inferno. I'm personally a big fan of the Outback era, post-Fall/Pre-Inferno.
X-Factor is pretty good, the first few arcs are skippable and I don't think it really hits its stride until the big showdown with Apocalypse in the Fall of the Mutants issues and from there until PAD's run is pretty great.
Thanks for the advice. New Mutants is really the problem for me. The writing is a SLOG but there are X-Men issues that don't even make sense if you're not reading both.
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picked up new x-men (2001) on a recommendation and almost done with that
The only other x-comic I've finished is the uncanny x-force, what should I read next?
Joss Whedon's Astonishing X-Men is essentially a sequel to New X-Men, it's overrated but it has GOAT John Casssadday art. Obviously Claremont is synonymous with X-Men and you should read his best years.
If you want more modern X-Men you could try Whedon's Astonishing, or the Messiah Complex, Second Coming, Revelations Saga. I would also recommend the Peter David 2000s X-Factor run.
IMO the best NM arcs are The Beyonder stuff and the post-Mutant Massacre time travel adventure
I might be the only person on Yea Forums who liked Bendis run (mostly Uncanny. All-New wasn't that great)
Bendis' run suffers from all of Bendis' typical issues which are tolerable in small doese but the ending of it went way off the rails and retroactively ruined it.
Yeah the ending left a lot to be desired, but I enjoyed the character work quite a bit. It was a good soap opera, and that's usually what I like from an X-Men book. And of course the art was good. Bendis always has good artists.
I don't even understand what's happening with Secret Wars 2. The event is such a mess.
It is a mess but the stretch from Magento becoming headmaster to Claremont handing off the reigns to Simonson is the best part of his run.
Yeah a lot of people like to shit on his X-Men but I actually kind of liked it. Uncanny was definitely the better of the two, which had Bachalo on art, always a plus. I liked All-New as well because as a concept it was interesting, but post Battle of the Atom it lost itself and then from there took forever to get the O5 back where they came from.
Is NM worth reading after Claremont leaves?
You get to conclude Illyana's arc if you stick around through Inferno though there are some terrible issues in there (feeding Bird Brain hamburgers). After Inferno the big highlight is Cable's debut
Looking for a good recommendation since I've been trying to get into the X-men comic stories. I've only read very little but Is all of Claremont's run worth it? What other runs are good. I'm really liking the new Uncanny stuff starting with Cyclops returning.
Claremont is intimidating because of the length and no not all of it is great. The gold and one of the GOAT cape comics ever is from the start of Second Genesis (his first issue is #94 and it only takes him a few issues to find his groove) up until the Secret Wars event which is around #180 along with the annuals and minis (Wolverine, Magick, God Loves, etc.) It's still great until #200 or so and then starts to get sketchier but still often worth reading..
The hard part about cutting up Claremont's run is how he tends to build up minor plots across multiple issues before cashing them in. Or sometimes he never cashes them in because plans change or he/his editors forgot.
Considering every writer has one or two obscure characters that they like to bring in to their teams, who would you add if Editor-san (theoretically one that's not shit like White) said you could add two?
>New X-Men
>Uncanny X-Force
>Astonishing
It's like I'm reading the ultimate normalfag rec list.
Depends. Everything up through the wedding of Cyclops and Madelyne Pryor is great IMO. After Mutant Massacre the book becomes a lot more decentralized and X-Factor more or less threw a wrench in Claremont's desire to have the characters age out, retire or otherwise move on. I think it's all worth reading though.
>It's like I'm reading the ultimate normalfag rec list.
is X-user still around or did he give up
This, patricians know peak X-Men is Gillen’s Extinction Team run
Hellion and Dani
I want the fake floating hands to be more of a thing with Hellion. Have Shang Chi teach him to do 12-Fist kung fu.
Plus I just like him and would probably pick him over the other kids.
Dani is just the best.
X-Men comics suck. You just like the concept and the vast cast. Majority of it is a misfire
what compels someone to go into a thread full of things they dislike?
I don't think Magik counts as obscure anymore so I'd go with Dani and Omega Sentinel.
They don't, they just scroll by diss while looking for things they actually like.
>general
Fuck off with this shit.
I'm started reading Uncanny X-Men recently. It's alright. It's wordy as hell though.
People always give Claremont grief for his gushing prose, but It never really bothered me. Comics from that period condition you to do a lot of reading anyway. Besides, I like his stuff more than someone like Marv Wolfman for example. Wolfman had the fortune of working with all time great artists in Gene Colan and George Perez.
You gotta get through Inferno at least
X-Factor is awful until Louise Simonson saves it. It's pretty amazing she did it.
New Mutants after gets great with Sienkiewicz and maintains after he leaves