I used to love the diversity in comic books. It showed us a realistic world of superheroes who aren't just white...

Robbie Reyes, Sideways, and Kenan King are all great non black diversity characters and no one cares sadly

>other writers than Bendis managed to salvage her character.
They really didn't. Under Bendis she was obnoxious, boring and unnecessary.
Now she's just boring and unnecessary.

>This is a pretty racist notion,

No it's fucking not? I'm tired of seeing black people being used by white people to try to support their notion that "oh look we're so diverse" bullshit. As an Asian person I want to see more different races being supported. You should look up the definition of racism. It means you hate a race which I don't.

>As an Asian person I want to see more different races being supported
No, what you want is for YOU to be the focus instead, because you don't like black people. If white people were using Asians as "token minorities" you wouldn't complain, going by what you're saying.
Protip: You can ask for more representation without trying to fuck over others.
>They really didn't.
Uhhh no they really did. She's much better now. Actually both readable and interesting. Unless of course you're one of these dumbasses who think she's better as a villain, because people with empathy issues are obviously evil.

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>No, what you want is for YOU to be the focus instead, because you don't like black people

You didn't read my post I said I want other races included other than black people. Learn to read

You literally said
>I'm tired of seeing black people being used by white people to try to support their notion that "oh look we're so diverse" bullshit
Which is a pretty superficial complaint given what I've posted so far, proving that you're focusing on a few cases to extrapolate the rest. And like I said, I really doubt you'd complain if you were the focus instead, because you also strike me as the kinda guy who claims "not all Asian people are the same, why would an Indian hang out with a Korean?" and demand Korean-only teams and shit.

I just think Riri is really hot and want to read about her and draw pictures of her lessing out with Kamala tbqh

You forgot the part where I originally said

>As an Asian person I want to see more different races being supported.

You're so dumb

You haven't really said anything of substance so far. I know what you said, you can do that without trying to fuck over black people.

Fucking people over? How about the races who are underrepresented? How come black people are always put on a white pedestal for "diversity" how about the other races? You don't think other ethnic backgrounds didn't go through the same thing what black people have gone through? You're biased and one-sided.

Says the guy who's so focused on black people he forgot to address all the other teen minority heroes just because of Riri and Miles. But do go off, pal.

And I was ok with this being proven wrong as I originally said here How about stop using black people as a scapegoat because you feel bad for them? How about give every culture a chance? Kinda racist to support so much black culture. You don't think they're as capable as white people?

Yeah, had you not said this, everything would've been cool:
>No more black superheroes please and include other races Marvel

>Kinda racist to support so much black culture.
LMAO this is ridiculous. You can fuck off pal, you got called out and on top of that you keep redefining racism so you can keep mouthing off about how you're being neglected.

Her solo series also blows, so I'm not sure what your point is.

My point is that you have shit taste, basically. I was just being polite.

>No more black superheroes please and include other races Marvel

Well? I hope they calm down a bit. There's too many black superheroes and negates their entire point of diversity. If it's all black heroes than what's the point?

>LMAO this is ridiculous. You can fuck off pal, you got called out and on top of that you keep redefining racism so you can keep mouthing off about how you're being neglected.

Broaden your mind a bit. There's other races to represent other than just black people. You're shallow and one-sided. I encourage you to practice real diversity than just black diversity. Plenty of other races other than black people have suffered far more than black people in terms of discrimination. You should do some research

>You're shallow and one-sided.
Says the guy who wants specifically Asians and Indians lmao
>I encourage you to practice real diversity than just black diversity
I'm not a writer, I don't have anything to do with Marvel, and once again, YOU GOT TOLD because two teen heroes among many new ones don't represent a trend
>Plenty of other races other than black people have suffered far more than black people in terms of discrimination. You should do some research
Condescending imbecile. Last (You).

>Says the guy who wants specifically Asians and Indians lmao

I was using them as examples you big dum-dum. Want me to list every ethnic race in the world? Come on.

>I'm not a writer
Thank God or else every character becomes blacked.

The fact that you think her character is "fixed" means you're a retarded SJW who has no idea why nobody likes her.

Well the real reason you don't like her is because she's black, that much is obvious.

Not only that but Blacks are not a minority, I know Africa is not a country but a continent but still, it's population is spected tu surpass that of india by 2022.

there is like 5 to 6 blacks per caucassian persons in the world.

Don’t forget about gay and female. Because every character has to be any of the three if not some combination of them

bait

I like how Yea Forums has those crazy niggas that come out and get mad about people talking about black people in threads like this and boondocks thread. I remember one time there was a guy saying that everything should go back to being segregated. I like those crazy black people it keeps things balanced

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>Blacks are not a minority in the country where these comics are produced because in this whole other continent they're the majority... WHICH MEANS whites are the real minority to be preserved, I'm so smart
inb4 "wHo aRe yOu QuOtIng"
>I remember one time there was a guy saying that everything should go back to being segregated. I like those crazy black people it keeps things balanced
And of course, Uncle Toms like these must be applauded, because they agree with whitey.
Also what bait? It's the truth. If you dislike her for the things Bendis did to her, then again, he's no longer writing her and she doesn't exhibit those traits, or at least they're nuanced. Your hatred is baseless.

lmao keep it up I'll see you in the next boondocks thread

I've never been in those, I don't like Boondocks. I'm not even Black (or white, because I know you were dashing to type KEK, KEK before you were finished reading).

You know nothing about actual hatred and racism. You just read the Buzzfeed article and think you know what actual discrimination is. You just talk about it without any merit behind your words. I've seen some horrible shit in your life and you're just a nother mindless drone thinking they know everything.

You're projecting harder than the Egyptian Theatre in California. This ain't the oppression olympics, dumbfuck. And if they were, I'm pretty sure you'd lose, since I'm not even American or European, I happen to live in one of the shittiest countries in the world right now.

>I happen to live in one of the shittiest countries in the world right now.

You're so full of shit you white incel. Try again.

What's even more infuriating is that there already WAS a black girl who was poised to take Tony's spot if he ever retired and Benis fucking forgot about her because he doesn't read comics and just makes up shit as he goes.

I'm not even sure if she's canon anymore with all the retarded shit about magic afro woman.

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Bendis couldn't make money if he used her instead of her OC
Sad they're not even friends

>What's their obsession with black people?
These stories are clearly written by hacks who do it cheaply. They don't reference older material, they don't create unique storylines, they're all copy+pastes of something that a marketing team somewhere decided would be 'profitable' and 'hip'.
That's why you get shit like America and Squirrel Girl. These are design-by-committee walking tropes whose existence is justified by a few other times that it was successful.

I was hoping after Benis got the boot, they would just axe Riri and have Lila pick up where she left off.
Maybe they're still thinking of doing that. Riri isn't exactly popular.

just let black writers and asian writers write characters of their respective race, seriously why are white people writing these characters then claim to be diverse while including the worst sterotypes. When Dywane Mcduffie did static he didn't make static speak in ebonics every 5 seconds because he knows how black people talk and not all black people talk like that, but when white "progressive" writers write diverse characters they make them speak like 1940's propaganda cartoons

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>That's why latino characters always have their dialogue peppered with gratuitous spanish words, even though no actual bilingual person talks like that.
I like it when they repeat things, my homey, mi hombre.

Why hasn't my fox themed gook waifu not done anything since Contest of Champions? did the region lock her comic or something?

>You're so full of shit you white incel.
This is my Captain Marvel ticket, from when I went to see it last week. That's my thumb right there... And you can see the city in the address. Wanna take a guess where "Caracas" is located, dumbass?
>Maybe they're still thinking of doing that. Riri isn't exactly popular.
Nice wishful thinking.
>That's why you get shit like America and Squirrel Girl.
And this is totally NOT a date Comicsgate talking point, no sir.

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No, he had him talk like a white nerd.

>Blacks are a monolith
how many do you know in real life?

>Caracas

AHAHAHAHAHAHA VENEZUELA?! HOLY SHIT I THOUGHT IT WAS SOMETHING WORSE THAN THAT. EVERY SINGLE OPINION YOU'VE MADE IS DISCARDED AHAHAHAH. YOUR COUNTRY HAS AND ALWAYS WILL BE A SHITHOLE BUT FOR OTHER REASONS

In the time you made your fake posturing laugh, you could've actually pointed out why... But you kinda blew your chance. Anyway, "I win" I guess.
Keep seething over whiteys not noticing you, now that's truly hilarious.

The fuck are you talking about? I fucking hated her when she was being pushed by Bendis. Yet I’m fully admit she became tolerable under new management. Do I rank her high amongst other new diversity characters? Hell no. Rhodey’s niece would have made more sense

This whole thread is absolutely retarded.
If the comic is good, it's good.
If the comic is shit, it's shit.

Diversity allows for different perceptions and viewpoints in storytelling but beyond that it's up in the air if it'll be good or bad. And at the end of the day all I care about is if it's good or not.

>Diversity allows for different perceptions and viewpoints in storytelling
But that's never how it works out.
They basically just put white characters in blackface and keep spouting the same dumb SJW lines.

She showed up in the last issue of Domino iirc

Why are the future fight OCs canon now?

thanks user

>And this is totally NOT a date Comicsgate talking point, no sir.
Wow I didn't know that you had to be a comicsgater to realize that this shit is fucking awful.
Flip off a bridge.

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>He spent money on seeing Captain Marvel instead of food
I hope there's enough fiber in it for you to eat.

>Nice wishful thinking.
That's not wishful thinking, no one likes Riri. That's why they're backpedaling with Tony right now.
Almost every single character of the 'woke' generation has been cancelled, retooled, or canned. The extremely rare circumstances are either holdovers for political reasons or actually did well for reasons unrelated to them being minorities.

why do they keep giving money to this fucking artist

Same reason they give money to any of their pocket-lint artists. They work for pennies compared to real artists and they can put them on shit no one finds important or to do tasks that no one wants to do. It's why tumblr hacks keep getting hired, as well.

>Diversity allows for different perceptions and viewpoints in storytelling
yeah, diversity of opinions right?

>REEEEEE GET OUT ALT RIGHT INCEL

I'm fairly certain Ales Kot is on a couple people's shitlist, which doesn't help.

>not hotblooded rivals

She's also fairly quick and can handle a large workload; I think at one point she was on art duties for 3 projects at once.

It would've made much more sense, but of course Bendis made a brand new character just for royalties while parading around to get progressive points.

>I used to love the diversity in comic books.
no you didn't. You made this thread for outrage, race baiting reactions.

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Spoiler that shit, please

I'm shocked people making characters for royalties doesn't result in that character catching a bullet from a street-level thug the second that writer leaves.
I hate sounding edgy but it's literally screwing your employer to do that, especially if you know you won't be around long.

That blond guy's gun is gigantic!

Riri and Miles both deserve that treatment. Don't even make some event out it, just have it happen off-panel.

>realistic

I'm black and I agree

no he didn't, did you actually read static? He spoke proper but often used alot of slang too, you know how real black people would talk

>I used to love the diversity in comic books.
Why? You should like a character for their character, not because they look different from the rest of the cast. Showing your race-based bias, there, pal.

india has a bunch of real life mutants but I have never seen an Indian Xman. How do you explain that other than racism?

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>I used to love the diversity in comic books. It showed us a realistic world of superheroes
Why? I always have to question statements like this, whenever I'm looking for some kind of entertainment media my thought has never been 'ooooh is there going to be some diversity in it' I honestly couldn't give a shit who's in it. My thought is, is it going to be quality? Is it something I'm going to find interesting, entertaining, compelling.

It's clearly just shitposting given how he jumped right to bitch about black people. Few people will give something a chance specifically because it has someone they look like them, unless it's a take on something that hasn't traditionally featured them.

well NOW I'm voting Trump in 2020

>Diversity allows for different perceptions and viewpoints
No it doesn't this is horseshit. There is precisely one perception that of the writer's intent. Just because characters from different backgrounds are introduced in to a story doesn't mean that story transcends in to a magical realm where everybody clapped, that's just patronizing.

This.
I'm pretty sure the kind of people who do this shit don't even have black friends.

>Almost every single character of the 'woke' generation has been cancelled, retooled, or canned.

The best part about this is when retards go "T-they were never meant to be a replacement!" after they've all flopped, when they were totally meant to be replacements. The only reason they didn't stay replacements is because everyone hated them.

It's something I noticed watching the special features in Spiderverse, a movie I thoroughly loved. One of the special features is literally just them patting themselves on the back for including black and female characters as spidermen in the movie.
Honestly Miles worked really well in the movie because he was more than just "the black kid". He was inexperienced, scared, clever but completely out of his league. It made you really care about what happened to him (the opening scene with him mumbling half the words to Sunflower already made me immediately relate to him.) But then you watch a video where the crew is basically sucking themselves off for making him and it just annoys me. Like, you shouldn't be so very pleased with yourself that you made a black character and had him be likeable and relatable. You don't get extra points just because he's brown. It's not that big of a deal.

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You know some of them are made by non-white writers, right? Milestone was a good example in general.

>where the other minorities at?
We had an Asian Hulk for a bit.And tehre's an Arab Green Lantern and a Pakistani Ms. Marvel.

I just want to see good guys punching the bad guys, where all this political shit came from?

>That's why latino characters always have their dialogue peppered with gratuitous spanish words, even though no actual bilingual person talks like that. But that's the only way comic writers know how to write latinos and they have no intention of making any effort.

This is the thing that I hated the most about Spidey-Verse. Mile’s mom spoke Spanish like a second generation Hispanic born in NY or how white new yorkers think all Hispanics talk like.

What does that have to do with anything?
We're talking about people who can control the weather, or have super strength, or turn into gigantic raging monster.
Do these people honestly think that being some form of negro is more interesting than any of that?

I just wanna see women with sexy bodies wearing tight/revealing spandex.

They kinda do, considering how Yea Forums bitches about boring black and female cape heroes every day. Hell, there's a thread up right now.

>in the current year + 4

Comics have always been political.

The difference is that they were political in ways that wasn't just 100% insane SJWism, 100% of the time.

Instead you had Superman and Batman spouting literal American propaganda and demanding you buy war bonds. I'll stick to the saturday morning morality lessons.

>I'll stick to the saturday morning morality lessons.
Like crying because a medical doctor "misgendered" you?
I'd rather my child buy war bonds than chop his dick off in a futile attempt to become a woman.

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>like respecting your peers?
Yeah.

There's actually some strong Libertarian rhetoric in Garfield that goes over a lot of people's heads.

so you just figured this out now?
You didnt notice when Miles was just black Peter parker?

I never get the big deal about being misgendered. I get called Ma'am pretty much every day because of my voice and I almost never get an apology. Doesn't bug me I just keep on trucking.

not as heavy handed. Comics felt with things using made up things like mutants to mirror racism. It never was so overt with its politics to a point they are spouting garbage like pic related.

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I'm literally intrigued and in awe of the fact that this got past an editor.

Why do you have that picture saved for internet arguments? Why are you scared of dickless trannies? Why do you make up imaginary children for the sake of internet arguments?

>not as heavy handed
Once again, Superman and Batman served as US propaganda mouthpieces on mainstream comic books for kids. You're insane if you think we're doing worse nowadays.

>muh America
You guys obsessed way too much over this cancelled comic book that couldn't even last a year.

thing is, you shouldnt need to be told how to respect your peers in this manner. Frankly the real problem is how these writers come from such privilaged backgrounds only tell us how to act. These people have never lived in a place where they worked minimum wage past 30 or suffering from poverty but still scrapping by. You want a Saturday morning moral lesson? I would suggest not using pop culture issues and focus on things in a broader term.

A medical doctor isn't your peer, he's a medical doctor, he's not there to pretend that chopping your dick off magically turned you into a woman due to the power of progressiveness.

>you shouldnt need to be told how to respect your peers in this manner
So nobody taught you how to mind your manners when interacting with different people? Like, nobody ever told you not to make handicapped jokes in front of wheelchair-bound strangers? Or not to make dead mom jokes in front of the guy who lost his mom? You just assume everybody should be treated equally (with respect, presumably?), except for trans people?

I guess it's not for you. Reposting the same pictures is generating more discussion, which is the intended effect in a sense.

>You're insane if you think we're doing worse nowadays.
you are talking about a time where there was a war going on. Yeah I think it is over doing it when you try to compair 2 seperate times where one: still had fucking Poliovirus to deal with, and second: a bunch of spoiled rich kids telling the world about their "woke" state of mind.

>he's not there to pretend that chopping your dick off magically turned you into a woman due to the power of progressiveness
Wait, you think trans people are getting their dicks cut off in the black market? The doctor is the one who approves it after a lengthy hormone trial and psychotherapy, you humongous dumb dumb.

>You guys obsessed way too much over this cancelled comic book that couldn't even last a year.
yet it got published. It was proof that if you identified yourself as a lesbian or transgendered and use the the political climate to get a job you are grossly underqualified for, which is saying something when it comes to writing comics.

>you are talking about a time where there was a war going on
Are you implying wars aren't happening right now? That you didn't throw a sperge tantrum when the X-Men artist slipped ISIS shit on the cover? Good lord, how did you even manage to end up on this website.

>yet it got published
Yes, they gave a new writer a chance and when it didn't pant out, they cancelled her series. That is how the comic book industry should work. Now go pirate some more manga.

It's kind of funny that you're more upset at me pointing insane SJW bullshit like this out, instead of the fact that this is the kind of shit that unironically gets published these days. And no, I'm not going to play your game of posting hundreds of examples of the same kind of thing just because you think every single case is an isolated incident, and not a trend.

>You guys obsessed way too much over this cancelled comic book that couldn't even last a year.
You say that like it was only Gabby responsible for that shitshow.
That comic unironically lasted, what, something like 8 or 9 issues, that made it through the pencilers, through the inkers, through the editors, through Kelly Thompson, all the way through every other hand it had to pass through in order to get published, and there wasn't a single time throughout this entire chain of command that one singular person went "Wait. Guys. This is actually shit. How could we possibly publish something this fucking terrible?"

And that did not happen one time, in some sort of freak accident. This happened repeatedly for 8 or 9 issues in a row, each one worse than the last. And now you realize that with the exception of Gabby, pretty much every single person in the chain of command who unironically greenlit this shit is still working there.

>You say that like it was only Gabby responsible for that shitshow.
You say that like the comic book wasn't cancelled years ago, precisely because Gabby ran it to the ground. It bombed, dude. What else do you want? A personal apology because you didn't like a comic book?

yeah, it's called parenting. They teach you that, however since you kind of went off the rails with this, my point was you teach kids through the basis of what the comic is already about. Not the triggering of transgendered people who are easily offended, the comic. Frankly you seem to misunderstand that there are somethings that arent known and making a joke isnt the end of the world. It's only now we see a bunch of people who are TRANSGENDER constantly licking their wounds from just being mis-catagorized. Mean while in the X-men we have Mutie picket lines trying to bar mutants from entering society, but no no no let's focus on how Mrs Jenner 2.0 feels on name calling.

I guess not, since it's kind of insulting to see that a publisher would allow this to be made from a well known racist.

are you implying WW2 is no different to what we have now? YOU KNOW WORLD WAR 2? Where we Nuked a country twice and had the fucking holocaust?
Yeah I think it was a hell of a lot different than today and you cant compair the two.

Nothing in your post invalidates the idea of reinforcing those parenting lessons in the consumable media the kids are consuming nowadays. And you're still implying these morality lessons are worse than literal propaganda.

>You say that like the comic book wasn't cancelled years ago
Oh, well shit, I guess that means it never happened. Despite the fact that Marvel hasn't changed in the slightest since then, I guess everything is totally fixed now.

she shouldnt been given a chance since her qualifications was being a lesbian racist.

None of that justifies having Superman selling war bonds to kids, who were the primary consumers of comic books at the time. It was a literal attempt to brain wash the underage, American public into either serving or supporting a war the US joined far too late, only to nuke starving civilians for a joke.

I still love diversity in comics. Pisses off the right crowd of people and that puts a smile on my face any time of day

>Oh, well shit, I guess that means it never happened
It honestly could've gone that way, but here you are, still spamming America pics like it somehow influenced any comic book running today. Years after its cancellation too.

>the exact same people who allowed that to get published in the first place are still working for nuMarvel
>"LOL WHUT'S DA PROBLEM THO???"

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ok it's obvious you didnt read my post since you cant get over the fact that THAT WAS OVER 60 YEARS AGO and now.
There was war, I know you are too spoiled to comprehend this but when your country is actually in war, and not sending a small amount of troops in a war zone, like legit fucking war, where you have the draft. Yeah it's was ok then, but now we dont need a comic focusing on the most minor issue of "be nice to me I am emotional"

>le rewrite meme
Cringe.

I miss when Superman was based.

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yeah it does. you forget those people attacked us first. Its fucking war but again you are too privilaged to understand this fucking fact.
It's called patriotism. Especially after being hit with the great depression. learn your fucking history.

The only thing I would add to this is that after making the most backhanded """peace treaty""" in the history of the world ("LOL we attacked you on your own soil unprovoked, let's just call it even"), they then vowed to fight down to the very last man, woman and child.
The only reason Japanese people still exist today is because we conclusively showed them that we could make them deliver on that promise without even breaking a sweat.
Thanks, Manhattan Project!
But now we have to deal with weebs, so I guess they got the last laugh.

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on the last women and child part.
the emperor told his own people to jump off a cliff. It's a fucking travesty, but it happened. War is a horrible thing and brings out the worse in humanity but it's still war.

See, that's the spirit. Write a strongly worded letter listing your concerns. People respond better to that sort of rhetoric instead of bitching about minorities like you're from the 50s.

There's a pretty massive difference between a black character, and a character that only exists to be black, but SJWs honestly cannot tell the difference.

oh yeah, since such simple logic from a pissed off lesbian who hate white dudes thanks to her gender studies class is so insightful telling us issues of the gay and minority culture. The woman who claims she is Mexican but blames her mother for not teaching her any Spanish.
Let's not forget your paper thin argument that states if a white guy takes issues over such horrible writing its because he must be racist and not at all been a victim of various issues from not just name calling but harrassment from his own race. The reason was it was so insulting is because of her God complex. She doesnt care about equality unless she is the one giving it out.
You wanna talk about REAL issues, then let's talk about them. not some rich girl problems who is a racist sexist bigot.

That's definitely false. There's always a conversation on genuine representation. Green Book got a lot of flack for that reason.

>propaganda good
You're just too fucking stupid to realize you're too susceptible to propaganda.

this right here.
SJWs only see white men as racists because some retard said only racism is power and therefore white people can only be racist.
SJWs dont live in a world where they live amongst the poor. Latinos are really racist towards black people, Asian too for that matter. Its flipped the other way too.

>and a character that only exists to be black
As opposed to a character who chooses to be black on the side? What the fuck does this even mean?

Rent free

Exactly.
>but SJWs honestly cannot tell the difference.

Black people don't actually stop being black like in your strawman fantasies, user. Stop hanging around Uncle Toms, though.

great retort, because if anything you are the one who is most susceptible to it. You are ignorantly bashing one form of propaganda while boasting the other. Everything is propaganda if it has any political statement. That's what it is. Propaganda comes in many forms and this here, the one you are ok with is probably the most shallow and insulting I have seen.

>"if anything you are the one who is most susceptible to"
>"btw it was okay for the US to brainwash its youth into serving by having Superman shill war bonds"
Go bitch about America on your discord server, pal.

>can't argue so use a meme
you have to be 18 or older to post here.

Characters like Miles and Riri would absolutely be called "Uncle Toms" in real life.

sorry but this is prime location Yea Forums faggot, it's where I found out about this garbage. You must be new here because this isnt tumblr.

So we've come full circle lmfao. Cape comics have always been political, but it's okay if it aligns with my opinions. The next lesson is to stop talking about things you don't like, because there is no such thing as wholly bad press in today's media circus.

not the sjw that you are arguing with but I dont think they would be uncle Toms. They were simply poor attempts to write minority characters.

I can tell you're fuming

I bet you think Will Smith is "white as fuck".

I never ever said comics werent political you moron. I said it wasnt as heavy handed as what you were using. The only time it was was during WW2 which by your logic makes it ok to be a piece of shit now. It doesnt, you dont need to be so heavy handed in politics in comics anymore, especially on issues where someone's feelings gets hurt when some guy accidentally mis genders them. Learn to fucking cope, fag.

I'm not even sure what that's supposed to mean.

so where you from? New Zealand? Australia? eastern European? because you using an out dated meme with a nee coat of paint doesnt an argument make.

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>only time it was was during WW2
Lmao what? How causal are you?

I'm not the cuck you're responding to, but what they seem to be missing is that back then, they were also politics that most people could agree with.
"Yes, I prefer my country over foreign powers."
"Yes, people who immigrate here legally should be treated as Americans, if they respect our culture and values."
That is completely different from the insane SJW shit being pushed these days.

jesus are you ignoring what you said or are you just arguing because you are too autistic to back down. I used your example. but since then there hasn't been a comics supporting war bonds since, has there? I dont think so.

>Agents of Atlas
>There's literally only one guy from the original team
You want to be more inclusive, ok, but fuck you with this shit.

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What's Grodd doing with Artemis, ROM, and that guy from The Boys?

sorry, hard to tell when every one is anonymous. The reason it was ok then was because of various reasons. And that propaganda worked both ways. It also led the way for women joining the work force. It was far from a perfect society but the silver lining was we had unity and progression that had already began just took a huge leap. SJWs like to forget that fact.

>they were also politics that most people could agree with
This is what we call propaganda, useful idiot.

Holy shit, the morons ITT.

You want more asians in comics? Read asian comics. The lion's share of mainstream comic characters, regardless of their ethnicity, were created by jews.

Need more blacks? Blacks should make more pf their own comics. This applies to ALL things.

>This is what we call propaganda, useful idiot.
No, this is what we call "ideas that most people can get behind".
People obviously aren't getting behind your insane radical SJW bullshit, which is why all your "woke queen yasss slay" shit fails left and right, no matter how much it's pushed.

It’s funny, becuase there were DEFINITELY people who hate their country, and those who fucking hate even legal immigrants

>people aren’t getting behind your insane radical sjw bullshit
Captain marvel just made 1+ billion

Maybe you should get out of your bubble :)

>No, this is what we call "ideas that most people can get behind".
When presented through children's entertainment for the sole sake of pushing Americans towards serving or buying war bonds, it's literal propaganda. That you eat it up like a good goy should it's an entirely different topic.

What bubble?
I have to deal with marvelcucks every time I go on Yea Forums.

Wow, you got me user, I'm clearly a senior citizen who is, what, 80 years old, who bought war bonds because big strong flying fast man told me to.

It really is about white guilt and fear being seen as racist. Some writers have this idea that a black person's life is fully reflected on the community he or she lives in, which is wrong. It's only a part of it and doesnt mean that a black person doesnt have a personality of their own.
Diversity in comics is great, problem is in comics they dont know how to write actual diverse characters. Why? its because of the same reason I pointed out above. The way to write a minority character is simply the same way you write a white character. It's that simple. That doesnt mean miles or riri however; it means that you give a character it's own personal traits that no one else or at least the few. Miles from the spiderverse movie was a perfect example of how to write a black character, he had his own interests and his own personality.

Propaganda is timeless, dude. You could be praising the Soviet Union for all I care. You're just that dumb and easily influenced.

it made that money because it was before endgame.

>it made money because it's a successful franchise
No shit.

Just stop getting Bendis for everything. Oh wait, he got picked up by DC. How does he do it.

And what exactly am I praising?
That I actually like the country that I live in?
Maybe try making your own country not a shit hole, and you can be proud of where you live as well.

>And what exactly am I praising?
Propaganda sold for kids because you're too stupid to realize propaganda is meant to be patriotic in disguise. I can't believe you've gone full circle, from hating "propaganda" in America to praising literal propaganda in comic books.

>Propaganda is timeless, dude.
are you fucking retarded? no one buys war bonds or says slap a jap any more. The whole point of propaganda is to focus on a specific issue happening now.
Seems you are just spouting nonsense just to seem intelligent when infact it makes you sound even dumber.

Do you seriously think that children buy(bought) war bonds?
Do you still live with your mommy and daddy?

it made money by riding the coattails of those before it and soon to come.

Nobody's arguing whether war bonds are being sold today, you stupid fucking moron. It's the intent behind Superman selling war bonds to children that's so insanely wrong, and I find it hilarious that you're now defending brainwashing kids as long as it furthers your politics. You could not be a more useful idiot if you tried.

again you keep ignoring the posts, no one said they hated it, one user said they thought it was heavy handed in today's society.

Unironically fucking this

>franchises are unfair ;_;

>it was heavy handed
What could possibly be more heavy-handed than Superman selling war bonds, nitpicking faggot?

>Do you seriously think that children buy(bought) war bonds?
>Do you still live with your mommy and daddy?
You never answered either of these questions; both of which are far less harmless than pushing open borders and tranny shit. At least the tranny shit only results in their own deaths, and not the death of a nation.

>You never answered either of these questions
This isn't /pol/; I'm not gonna go back and forth with ad hominem memes just because you're so desperate to prove your point that you've resorted to le epic quips xD to make up for your susceptible mind.

>I have an idea. Let's replace the race that everyone on Earth worships, to the point where Asians get surgery to look like them and music gods bleach their skin, with races so awful that members of their own kind abandon their families by the millions to try to escape them. What could go wrong?

oh my fucking christ you are so fucking stupid. Who the flying fuck are you to say what's wrong or right when it fucking came to world war 2, you spoiled shitless spineless fuck, yeah I am mad now. Since you love to make people seethe here is a quick tip for you, when it is war and troops were drafted into the army, draft means males were forced into the army, buying bonds was supporting the country. Especially against fighting Hitler, are you saying it was wrong for Americans to tell kids to support their troops to fight Hitler? Are you really that black and white about war that you got all your morals from some kinda weaboo game that had a gradeschoolers understanding of war? You just dont seem to fucking get it. War happened there was no avoiding it especially when THE JAPANESE ATTACKED FIRST. People like you who cant comprehend the past and try to put it through the moral implications of today need a serious wake up call, that was then, nothing you say or you do changes that, and telling kids to support your troops is not a bad thing, especially when they were drafted.

It was a straightforward point.
If you literally can't refute it; that's fine. I'm not asking for you to concede defeat, but your baseless fronting is beyond pathetic.

The US fought the wrong side.

>Who the flying fuck are you to say what's wrong or right
Propaganda is inherently immoral, but go ahead and die defending that hill.

>It was a straightforward point.
>ummm does your mommy clean after you?? xD
Bad faith memery should be met with its equivalent: "fuck off, /pol/".

>What could possibly be more heavy-handed than Superman selling war bonds, nitpicking faggot?
by moral signaling about some trannies fee fees when all it took for that person to do was ignore it and move on.
Difference is then and now, then there was a war, now is just a spoiled child bitching how some one accidentally called him a dude when he "feels" like a girl. There is your fucking difference you dipshit. A spoiled brat bitching about his dick verses supporting troops fighting Hitler. Gee I wonder who had more of a moral high ground now.... hmmmmm

Unless they were somehow part of the 0.00001%, children were not somehow buying war bonds with money that they could not have possibly had, you retarded tranny.

>moral signaling (as in, Saturday morning cartoon lessons)
>literal fucking propaganda
You're choosing one over the other. Now realize why you're the useful idiot.

>children were not somehow buying war bonds
Great strawman. Try pointing out the post where I specifically claimed so, and why you're clinging onto this shitty argument like it's okay to propagandize children's entertainment (which you're supposedly against).

>Propaganda is inherently immoral, but go ahead and die defending that hill.
then you should stop talking because simply stating that is propaganda. Since you are too stupid to notice your own fucking actions and since you see everything black and white it's no wonder people like you are laughed at and mocked. Proganada is only bad to you since all you have seen was the negative. Hell "be nice to people" is fucking propaganda, Mormons do all the fucking time.

>You're choosing one over the other. Now realize why you're the useful idiot.
that's what you did, you chose one over the other, me I chose to cope with both, but finds the one is far more stupider.

>and why you're clinging onto this shitty argument like it's okay to propagandize children's entertainment
Because we were literally at war with another country that preemptively attacked us on our own soil, you psychotic tranny.
That's the difference between then, and now.
Everyone already hated the Japanese government for what they did to us. It's not like these anti-Japanese comics were trying to force some kind of massive shift in public opinion against a foreign country which slaughtered our own soldiers, unprovoked, on our own country's soil. We all already said "Yeah, fuck them."
The reason why your tranny propaganda isn't working is because everyone already hates you, and shoving your dumb SJW tranny shit everywhere doesn't change anything, except pissing off people who want to read normal comics, instead of tranny SJW propaganda that nobody even agrees with in the first place.

>and shoving your dumb SJW tranny shit everywhere doesn't change anything, except pissing off people who want to read normal comics

This seems to be the crux of the issue. SJWs believe that the mere act of reading something is all it takes to convince people of some view or another. That's why they spam the various entertainment industries with the dumbest shit ever, and then are somehow confused by the backlash. This is also why they're so obsessed with censorship; the very fact that anyone other than themselves is able to have a public opinion, TO THEM, means that's all it takes for anyone to agree with someone other than SJWs, no matter how retarded.

>Because we were literally at war with another country that preemptively attacked us on our own soil
>this means brainwashing kids is okay
I could tell you that we're living among people who don't understand that trans people still deserve to live, and reinforcing this thought in young children is morally right. But you're literally defending the same propaganda you hate so much. This is how much of a faggot contrarian you are.

>I could tell you that we're living among people who don't understand that trans people still deserve to live
Sure they do.
Instead they're convinced by the failed abominations that came before them with one foot in the grave into chopping their dicks off, realizing that "oh wait, this still doesn't make me a woman", and kill themselves anyway.

0/10

what I find hilarious is that you are actually saying trans people Live and Die by their feelings. No one said they dont have a right to exist, the only problem is that people like you who overreact to name calling and compairing it to a hate crime. The thing is what the concerns that are brought up in the comic is that they were misgender by accident and seem to think that is the worst thing in the world, which is fucking pathetic.

>I used to love the diversity in comic books

No you didn't.

Mate, you’re arguing with a board that thinks that if you think comics should explore other types of stories other than capes, you’re a weeaboo and a warcrime denier.

>some of them are made by non-white writers
So what? Still doesn't attest to this airy fairy notion of wondrous diversity which is reality a marketing tactic.

Is that Mike Haggar on the right?

>superheroes who aren't just white
That's a problem though, isn't it. The heroes aren't "just white". Captain America, Colossus and Banshee are all straight, white men. Yet all three have vastly different cultural background and characterization. Think about it next time you catch yourself thinking "it's just another white guy".

They're still pretty damn white though, because that's seen as the "default". And apparently diversity here is "bad" because it doesn't follow "the norm", as in, not white.

Do you see diversity only as different skin colours?

More than likely, libshits are notorious for being race fetishist weirdos.

Obviously not, but to dismiss it outright and claim characters are "diverse" simply because of different backgrounds despite looking similar is pretty myopic.

The fact is that only progressives make worthwhile art so you are kinda stuck with it

Diversity in media is often a mask to cover awful writing.

>and claim characters are "diverse" simply because of different backgrounds
That's literally what diversity is you mong.

That's just ONE aspect of diversity, it doesn't encompass it all and it cannot be used that way specially in a country with a fuckton of European immigration like the US. Again it's ridiculous.
"Oh yeah all my characters are pretty diverse, see: I have a Polish American, an Irish American, a Dutch and a French, whoa! Where's my Eisner?"

But they do. Not a single human being of African descent has naturally straight hair. Mixed doesn't count btw.

Retard. Diversity when applied to individuals means literally people of different backgrounds. Learn to English you inhuman degenerate.

>Social Diversity. A successful community in which individuals of different race, ethnicity, religious beliefs, socioeconomic status, language, geographical origin, gender and/or sexual orientation bring their different knowledge, background, experience and interest for the benefit of their diverse community.
"ok" mr. neocon zoomer.

It's right there in your definition dumbass 'background'.
Neither has there been an attempt to insinuate including diversity must encompass the entirety of the concept in order to be diverse. So the fact the three straight white males from different backgrounds are characters in a story demonstrates diversity.

>So the fact the three straight white males from different backgrounds are characters in a story demonstrates diversity.
LMAO you really believe this.
No, the definition clearly states different ethnicities, races, beliefs and socioeconomic status bring their knowledge AND background afterwards. One follows the other, A then B, not A & B. The fact that you're trying to argue a story can be "diverse" if it has 1 poor, 1 middle class and 1 rich person, all white men of the same ethnicity just tells me you don't understand it.

Oh hi Steven

>LMAO you really believe this.
Yes I do because to claim contrary is the snide implication that all White people are of a conformity.
Face it tiger you're as creepy as shit, take your skin color racial fetishism and neck yourself.

>Comics were better when they were losing their audience

co truly is a low iq board.

I literally just red an issue from 1997 where Peter Parker is told not to assume that a black person that dresses well is automatically making dirty money.

Comics always had morals that reflected the problems of our world and the fact that there's people that call this basic, respectful messages "too political" made me realize comicsgate is pure trash.

That Pic should be named "special guest writer Christian weston chandler"

>Yes I do because to claim contrary is the snide implication that all White people are of a conformity.
The same way you claim all black people, all Latinos and Asians are the same?
>take your skin color racial fetishism and neck yourself.
What racial fetishism? That shit you used as an example isn't remotely diverse and you're purposely misinterpreting because you don't want to admit white people have been the rule in comics for decades. Now you're trying to pull the idea out of your ass that somehow all these heroes from New York are somehow "diverse" because uhhh, one is from Queens, the other is from Brooklyn, and so on? Nah fuck off.

>The same way you claim all black people, all Latinos and Asians are the same?
No you don't get to put words in my mouth.
>That shit you used as an example isn't remotely diverse
Yes it is and it is according to the fucking definition you cited, retard.

You already did when you did this , assuming you're the same imbecile accusing others of being "racial fetishists" because they can clearly see how homogeneous that shit used to be and how you're actually arguing it's a "good thing".
And for the record I'm Latino, brown as it gets. I'm not even talking for others here, >but from what I've seen myself.
Yes it is and it is according to the fucking definition you cited, retard.
You should actually read that shit closely if that was your takeaway from it. No, 3 white men from different descent in the US aren't "diverse" at all, fucktard.

>You already did when you did this
When I 'did' this, that's not me.
>And for the record I'm Latino
Yes so a creepy race hustler pushing skin color for the sake of pushing skin color. Gotcha.
>white men from different descent in the US aren't "diverse" at all, fucktard.
Careful now, you're showing your true colors.

>Yes so a creepy race hustler pushing skin color for the sake of pushing skin color. Gotcha.
Nice, trying really hard to paint me as the bad guy while you're, again, misinterpreting a definition just to avoid conceding the fact that comics are as homogeneous as they get and that "white" is treated as default.
>Careful now, you're showing your true colors.
What "true colors"? It's the truth, they're all white Americans, not "immigrants", same way all black people in America are "African Americans" without countries of origin (for many reasons in fact), because they're both so far divided from their long term ancestry it may as well not count anymore. We're not talking German or Irish here.
White people in the US desperately trying to pull the "diverse" card when their cultural and social upbringing is decidedly, homogeneously American is quite hilarious.

>misinterpreting a definition just to avoid conceding the fact
It's literally in the definition you CITED. LEARN TO ENGLISH.
>White people in the US desperately trying to pull the "diverse" card when their cultural and social upbringing is decidedly, homogeneously American is quite hilarious.
And so is any other native who was born in the U.S. Again different backgrounds are a demonstration of diversity.

it wasnt to depict racism in 1997, you are taking the scene out of context. none the less in reality people dont go to coffee shops and complain how someone misgendered them. its fucking pathedic how you seem to think that reflects reality when crybaby bullshit.

>"Hmmmm ackshully I'm 1/8 Native American, 1/4 Irish, 1/3 Polish and 3/7 Samoan. I'm as diverse as it gets!"
>It's literally in the definition you CITED. LEARN TO ENGLISH.
Can't believe I'm doing this:
>Social Diversity. A successful community in which individuals of different race, ethnicity, religious beliefs, socioeconomic status, language, geographical origin, gender and/or sexual orientation
This
>... bring their different knowledge, background, experience and interest for the benefit of their diverse community.
Follows this. Fucking learn to read, imbecile. One is a prerequisite of the other, it can't be flipped around.

>Russian Slavs
>White
Cheeky Breeki on that plus UltColossus was gayer that Midnighter and Apollo.

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>Comics always had morals that reflected the problems of our world and the fact that there's people that call this basic, respectful messages "too political" made me realize comicsgate is pure trash.
no it had nothing to do with something like that, not only are you making up the situation like that the comic said it was on accident and yet you still act like a giant fucking crybaby pussy. I said it was heavy handed but you keep acting retarded and ignoring what I say.

>>>I used to love the diversity in comic books. It showed us a realistic world of superheroes

not him but 90s x men was pretty diverse. it had native americans, aborigines, people of all different races, nationalities and belief systems, which made things interesting, even when the presentation is shallow or contradictory.

things that are novel are inherently interesting.

>One is a prerequisite of the other
Wtf prerequisites? Nobody mentioned anything about prerequisites, a definition consists of descriptive terms used to describe other terms.
Time for you to put down the crack pipe.

>t. white cracker

>Nobody mentioned anything about prerequisites
LMAO yeah I swear you must be a teenager and you're showing everyone how badly you're flunking English at school. Yes there are "prerequisites" because in order for something to be diverse, there must be specific conditions that are outlined there, in the same definition you insist on ignoring.
>a definition consists of descriptive terms used to describe other terms
Duh motherfucker, what I'm doing is basically mincing it for you because you're too dense to get it.

>specific conditions that are outlined there, in the same definition you insist on ignoring.
What the fuck do you think 'socioeconomic status' means?

Their income related to labor and education. Stop dodging the argument.
Or better yet, I'll stop for you, since you clearly got nothing left to say.

it can be if the writer and artist do a modicum of research to make the characters seem authentic.

like, what if there was a north korean iron man? what the hell would his life be like? what would his beliefs be, if he wasn't just a mouthpiece for the author (or worse, the marketting dept)? that would legit be more interesting than watching him face off against shield or whatever.

>Stop dodging the argument.
Ah but I'm not dodging the argument you seemingly have forgotten the premise for the argument was 3 straight white men from different backgrounds are diverse because one of those factors of diversity could be status. But I understand if you want to get your coward on a back out of the debate, I'll acknowledge your defeat.

Mass market appeal makes things garbage, so you’re not making a good case here.
I.e we’re arguing quality here

>it's only quality if it's white

>libertarian
>companies are shit because regulations are shit
>companies would be so much more ethical if there were no regulations at all

i can't help myself. i see 'libertarian,' i shit post.

>it wasnt to depict racism in 1997, you are taking the scene out of context.
How can you know that? I just told you it was from an issue from 1997: did you memorized every single spider-man issue that came out in 1997?
And I know how to read: the context was clearly saying that spider man was wrong for judging someone based only on his appearance, and that's racism.

>people dont go to coffee shops and complain how someone misgendered them

They do (I guess) if they're surrounded by their friends, it's nice to just vent with people you trust sometime you know?
I can agree that the specific wording made it sound like a joke more than anything, but let's face reality you're not complaining about badly written dialogues, you're complaining they dared show trans people exist.

Reductionist are fucking boring .

The most heavy handed politics I've seen were when someone met a presidential candidate or the "unsolicited opinion on Israel" (also as a European I laugh at Americans being unable to say Israel is a country with a shitty, warmongering and corrupt government) but even then the president issues ended with "go to the pools" not advocating any candidate, and everyone agrees the Israel thing was stupid as fuck, but not because it was political, but because it was a shitty joke.

Gatekeeping is such a shit idea, why does Yea Forums, love it so much?

Because they're fucking idiots, it's what. No other reason to it. They love their garbage so much they don't want to share it.

THIS

Comics still are losing their audience. They're a dying format only around for license purposes

I read manga also because 100% of the main characters are always aesthetically pleasing to me: light/white skin, beautiful face, no body fat. Comics can die for all I care.

>>I have an idea. Let's replace the race that everyone on Earth worships, to the point where Asians get surgery to look like them

asians get surgery to look like their upper class. the elite and those who deal with trade have always had their pick of the pretties.

no white person looks like this.

>with races so awful that members of their own kind abandon their families by the millions to try to escape them.

i'm pretty sure they're abandoning their families to escape a dearth of opportunity due to entrenched corruption and classism.

literally everything good about white people came from their historic meritocratic, egalitarian and individualistic beliefs. their egalitarianism increased after their warlike leaders moved down south to england and france, leaving the common folk with no way to claim the upper crust for themselves (without invoking war) and no desire to oppress their fellow man ... and it is the remnants of this flattened hierarchy and belief system, which permits all men an opportunity to try to achieve something for themselves, that does not reward nor exclude simply by blood, that immigrants are escaping to.

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I was always under the impression that when ppl make a character you cater to the demographic within your country. Blk ppl have always had 2nd billing for character design even as far back as Superfriends. No one is gonna relate or appreciate an offbeat race. This has always been set in stone for YEARS. Every country has their own order in racial preference in developing characters.

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So niggers pakis and arabs are ruining it for white people too by importing their nigger paki and arab third world beliefs into white countries and destroy any and all c meritocratic, egalitarian and individualistic beliefs since those offend people
See: sjws and their hate of white men because they're white
Thanks for ruining everything as always non-whites

Each shit Smollet.

>only one mention of Robbie in this thread
Disappointing

I always notice that if a black character is in any media there is a group of American Asians and other minorities that will complain that they're over represented. It's so bizarre, they say weird shit like "there are other groups that have suffered more", but it's almost like they think black people are the ones cutting them out or that America doesn't have a history with blacks which shaped alot of the laws these same minorities benefit from.

I don't like black people.

I'm glad somebody called him out. Even if it took three hours.

Make your own comics then

Based.

imagine getting that hair caught in a metal hat

That’s because you can think rationally.

>Bendis managed to salvage her character.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. My Sides...

The right blacks as soulful saints who can do no wrong, because they're afraid of the backlash the leftist media will give them. There was more diversity in blacks written by old white men then there are now, back then you had characters like Luke Cage, Night Thrasher, Storm, Black Panther, and bunch of other ones who have distinct personalities and had represented different spectrum of another race. Now they're all geniuses or effeminate(if male) or overly masculine(if female), but still well loved by everyone in their comics.

The thing thats really humorous is that his country went to shit due to socialist ideologies, the same thats infesting Marvel right now, I wonder how the company and their all new all diverse heroes are doing now... hmmm....

>things that are novel are inherently interesting.

But now they're no longer novel, now they're just shit unfortunately

>HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. My Sides...
He said other writers genius.

Still lying. Riri sucks because she's a bad idea.

Fpbp

I think they've always been a bit disingenuous about it, but the biggest problem is not the characters but the flaccid writing.

>but the biggest problem is not the characters but the flaccid writing.
If the only good things about your character are what you've directly plagiarized from someone else, it is not a good character.

This.
I don't know why marvelcucks try to pretend a character is "fixed", when the fundamental idea behind it is absolute trash. Anything new they add to a concept is utterly retarded, and everything they stole from another character is utter shit, because it's just copying someone far better at writing than them.
It's like taking a classic symphony, and then adding blaring fart noises over it, and going "oc donut steel".

if he was black peter parker he would at least be interesting

No he wouldn't, because we already have Peter Parker.
Putting Peter Parker in blackface and calling it original character isn't interesting; that's literally deviantart-tier.

This actually looks great for how weird it is. I would buy.

considering the lack of personality that miles had, being pete 2 is better than literally nothing.

It's basically just "Subversive: WTF, I LOVE BLACK PEOPLE NOW: The Comic."
Which, despite being shit, actually made an honest effort in trying to hook people in at the beginning, instead of just going "FUCK TRUMP AND FUCK WHITE PEOPLE" right off the bat.

Sounds like a great blacksploitation film. Which as a cracker I have a total soft spot for.

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what is a character but their writing? What I mean is, what's wrong with them is not what they look like, but how they're handled. And they're handled like cynical clinical cash grabs

>what is SONICHU BUT THEIR WRITING?!
...a fucking pathetic ripoff of much better ideas, you absolute retard?

Boy, you seem mad. Did Robert Mueller pee in your Cheerios?

>WHY DO YOU HATE OUR SJW CHARACTERS!?!??!?!
Try writing good characters, retard.
Since you can't, just kys self.

this is what happens when you make incest part of your culture

Hey, it's okay, I get you're mad at the matriarchy for making women fully people, and now you can't get away with sexually harassing people. I'd be mad too if I was a shitbag.

alright I didn't read any of that crap you wrote because I am a zoomer libtard and three sentences is too much.
But I just wish women/blacks/other minorities had actual real heroes as representation instead of "black spiderman," "black iron man," "lady thor," etc.

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Based and redpilled.

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This

We aren’t going anywhere, get use to us

Just saying, if you're whining that other people are whining, you're a whiner.

>used to love the diversity in comic books.
No you didn't

I love badass female characters but now can't like them anymore because they're constantly getting poisoned by agendas.
Can't a girl just kick ass without everyone making it about "THIS IS A STATEMENT ON FEMINISM IN REAL LIFE" anymore?

Cape comics were diverse as fuck for decades. Now it is FORCED diversity where characters have no character traits other than whatever makes them "a minority" which is the problem.

>This thread
Not that I mind though

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>Bully the Brits and Dutch into launching an oil embargo against Japan, resulting in Japan attacking them
>No, *you* were fighting the wrong side!
American Axisboos are truly pathetic

>Wait, you think trans people are getting their dicks cut off in the black market
You never heard of a pinto before?

Well to be honest considering how real Koreans act, I would really not be suprised for Korean heros to want to hang around only Koreans. There isn't really such a thing as Asian, unless your looking at the region from the autside. But then you may as well say that there a Pole, Italian, Irish and someone from SLC are proacticaly the same type of people.

being able to speak properly does not mean your a white nerd. Same as knowing and understanding math doesn't make you asian. And not commiting crime makes you an automatic Sikh.

True. It is as if a white guy can't ever be right. Black can't ever be wrong. An jew can never be an ahole. all people from the same "race"/"group" automaticly love each other. Sometimes when you read comics like Wasp, you really have to track who is saying what. Because everyone has the same type of character. And it doesn't matter if it is an inhuman girl with a pet dino or a Russian child killer project member. They think, react and feel the same. And that is bulshit. There was more characterisation done to marvel characters in the 60s then it is done now. Cage was different from storm, and both of them were different from Panther etc

OTHER writers, you dumb illiterate fuck

They're not wrong, you know.

Seething

other writers did not make her good though. She is as bad as she was under Bendis. Have you read the Champions or here solo?

Name one black female scientist or entrepreneur.

>She is as bad as she was under Bendis.
Not even fucking close, though clearly you're a faggot with thinly concealed shit taste.
>Have you read the Champions or here solo?
What do you even read? And don't reply with "hurr definitely not this/not Marvel!", no zingers.

One thing I find quite funny is when you see news reports speaking of how DIVERSE something is, when it's just another majority-minority cast. For example, Black Panther was praised as the most diverse movie ever, but as an Asian, it was no different to me than an all white cast. I enjoyed the movie all the same, regardless, but when you see people praising an un-diverse cast for being the most diverse cast ever, it reeks of superficial 'woke'ness and comes across as fake.

But I get that people do care and it matters to them to see someone that 'looks like' them in their media so they can self-insert or whatever. So whatever. It makes no difference to me so long as the stories are good. I don't self-insert and enjoy a white/black/latino superhero as much as any other so long as the stories are good.

It's also funny seeing people who say something like "why does diversity matter?" also cry when there's a character that they can't relate to is created and they start crying about how it's some kind of agenda.

>For example, Black Panther was praised as the most diverse movie ever, but as an Asian...
Damn, you were right , it's not even subtle.

Not quite the same. If you'd actually read further down, you'd see that I say there's a reason for it and that's fine. Blacks get shitted on the most and need the most picking up, so it means so much more to them as people to be represented and it does matter to them, so it's fine. An all black cast means so much more than an all Asian cast. Then again, I don't expect much more from someone on Yea Forums that just reads as far as they're satisfied and picks things out of context.

But the cast for BP was not diverse, no matter how you try to cut it.

The writer is absent.

>but let's face reality you're not complaining about badly written dialogues, you're complaining they dared show trans people exist.
>"y-you're only complaining because muh trannies!"
>"let me ignore everything else you've addressed just to make a sweeping generalization!"
spoken like someone with no argument you dumb faggot

user it's obvious that the real issue is the writers not doing enough to make you sympathetic to the situation at hand.
Take that "misgendering" thing for example. Transgender issues are a relatively new thing within the eyes of the common person, most aren't going to understand or get why things like misgendering someone is a problem unless you tell them why it is. However no one wants to be talked down to over a problem they never fully knew to begin with so you must be careful with how you word yourself so they can not only understand the issue but empathize with it
Now take the "war bonds" example you love to point out. You're pretty much showing the exact same mindset as someone who doesn't get the misgendering thing; "If I don't get why they would include this why should I care? This is just a bunch of propaganda shoved in my face"
However the thing the war bonds situation has over the misgendering is that in its time the average person understood why things like that were put into stuff and could empathize with it. There's a war going on, better buy these bonds so I can do my part in helping. I'm sure there were a good amount of people back then that didn't like it just as much as a person now getting bothered over the misgendering stuff.
But the point is that there was enough of a context back then to understand WHY media did that sort of thing and WHY the average person was okay with it given the context. With the misgendering stuff there is no context, and we are expected to sympathize with this issue we have no understanding in and if you don't like it you're some sort of bigot. If "misgendering" was a more easily understood issue, this particular scene more than likely wouldn't be criticized as much.
The fact that you just resort to the whole "you just hate them!!!" argument after hitting a wall over and over tells me you're either retarded or some disingenuous fuck trying to argue in bad faith

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to add to this, I actually think if people understood the whole misgendering thing they would still see that person in the comic as a huge pussy that can't deal with the issues that come with their problems
there's a difference between being taken aside by your problems and acting like a huge victim about them

Pristine taste

>Milestone
Predominately by Dwayne McDuffie and he hated the modern/corporate take on diversity. Read any of his Blood Syndicate work with Milestone and you'll see that he created characters first and then tied their race, religion, sexuality, etc into it second. Modern diversity just has a bunch of stereotypes painted to fit the corporate swill of a race quota.
>Amadeus
A chode but he was literally the stereotypical smart asian who sneered at everyone like a stereotypical Chinese (even though he's Korean and honestly people treat them like the niggers of the asians).
>Simon Baz (Arab Green Lantern)
He's supposed to be Lebanese-American because Geoff Johns is half-Lebanese but Simon is modeled after a stereotypical African-American and acts like one too. Carry's a gun, tries to act hood jacking cars and drinking malt liquor, he equates himself to a slave because muh 9/11 got people looking at him weird, and you couldn't tell he's Muslim/Lebanese unless they do a very special episode where he's at a mosque for his mom or somebody calls him a raghead. He later goes full fedora and states he doesn't even believe in Allah/Islam and he's only doing it for his mom so even then he's fake from top to bottom to fit a "diversity" niche. >Kamala
Short of being brown, she's just as vapid as any white girl from Jersey. The worst thing is the hypocrisy from Kamala since there are legitimate ass backwards thoughts in her community such as her family only wanting her/her brother to marry muslim only and women need to pray segreated in their local mosque. Does Kamala fight against these injustices? No she laughs them off while crying foul on everyone else for doing similar things. Her prop soul sister-in-law wouldn't have even married if Kamala didn't help her cheerlead past the religious purity tests of her parents even though she says in a later comic that dating/marrying for purity of any sort is racist/ugly.

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Milestone comics are so good because they don't try to be diverse or woke. It's story with characters who happen to be minorities and yes, they deal with problems that normallly only happen to said minorities. But Dwayne had balls.
Like how Icon was a right wing black person and how that position was often criticized of being "Not black" or "wrong" even by his sidekick. This is a unique ass problem for black Americans, that you don't even get to pick and choose your political sides and that's just from the top of my head.
It was so fun to see actual diverse characters instead of just perfect people with no problems with cookie cutter villains.

Lmao did they really give the Inuit person ice powers? That's actually racist and retarded. It's like giving an Mexican cacti powers or a canadian maple syrup powers. Someone was just like 'hurrrdurr what are inuits?!Snow indians! Lets give her snow powers !"

... No they didn't, she can turn into mythical beasts from her north tribe.

I don't get how people who go through such extreme hormone therapy , surgery, and presumably therapy/psych help to go against the majority of society to be happy with themselves can be such utter pussies and fucking entitled assholes.

Just say, 'I'm a trans [preferred gender] " and most people will say "oh sorry".

And in storytelling just show how difficult it is for trans people to live in their bodies and how difficult treatment is. It tugs at some intinctive basic heartstrings and empathy if you aren't a preachy lil Californian twat. It's not rocket science.

I just wanted to yell at something I'm sorry

Can she turn into a wendigo and eat people?

The weird thing about diversity is that most people see it as race. Not class, income, background, job, age, opinions, beliefs, values, etc.

I'm a Newfie and I think I've only ever seen one Newfoundland comic character. Besides our weird ass Captain Canada comics we made ourselves.

Yup, she has done that, but she doesn't eat them. She mostly turns into eagles, rabbits and wolves.

There are more Hispanics than blacks in America without even trying to account for all the illegal ayylmaos that don't get added in official census'

I think I was just projecting Korra hate...

>Hamfisted diversity
Yeah, welcome to fiction based affirmative action the entertainment medium.
>But why so often black?
Black people make up the largest racial minority in the US.
They're also higher on the "Progressive Stack" meaning if you want to show the concept of "Diversity" it means Black People have better optics than any other race.
Black people were slaves in the US and then after that were segregated and after that many choose to live in poverty because acting like a civilized person is "acting white" and a betrayal of their cultural heritage.
Black characters allows the writer to be absurdly lazy by making the character harp on the fact that their character is black and then have them deal with modern day racists.

Ethnicity does not really capture the desired "progressive values" that the shitholes in charge of comics want to teach.
To actually make ethnicity visible often requires turning that character into an ethnic stereotype like if you made a Mexican superhero and put them in a sombrero.

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>like how Icon was a right wing black person and how that position was often criticized of being "Not black" or "wrong" even by his sidekick. This is a unique ass problem for black Americans, that you don't even get to pick and choose your political sides

I get your point but it goes both ways, A LOT of conservative black folk tend to patronize other black people i.e. "Democratic plantation", especially if there's a check or speaking gig involved. As if they're the only ones whose ever considered their politics. Them being "not black" isn't because black people identify with democrats that strongly, it's because we see them, and they act, as mouthpieces for a broader conservative movement. Sheepdogs who exist more or less as scolds to lander negative stereotypes through black faces, without even being a part of conservative leadership for the most part.

Mind you, this exist on the left as well. It's either "Pull up your pants" from the right or "Toxic black masculinity" from the left.

Yeah, clearly.

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>after that many choose to live in poverty

Does anyone choose to live in poverty?

Even if you accept the idea that all racism ended with the march on Washington and there were NO structural barriers from then on (crack epidemic, war on drugs). How quickly is population supposed to recover from over half a millennia of abuse?

Guillotine from Contest of Champions is canon now I think.

Explain Hudlin then.

Seething and obsessed.

You must hate telenovas or anime since being Hispanic or Japanese is the “default” mode in those forms of media.

"Hispanic" is not a race.

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Madam CJ walker
Do a google search before you jerk yourself off.

>Simon is modeled after a stereotypical African-American and acts like one too.
Sounds like you're the racist.

Th people that shill for diversity mean surface-level, physical diversity only, not mental or political diversity. That's why they pretend homophonic blacks, racist women and misogynistic gays don't exist.

Pretty fucking quick, since as soon as the next generation is born, they didn't actually live through any of the abuse.
Exactly how long is "BUHT WHYT PEEPUL" an acceptable excuse for acting like a subhuman?

>they didn't actually live through any of the abuse.
But they are still living with the effects of the abuse, and of course the abuse didn't really end either which means it's compound trauma.

No, they aren't.
That would be like Irish Americans complaining that nobody is giving them potatoes, you retarded cuckold.

>had to google because there aren't any notable ones enough to be common knowledge

lmao

>That would be like Irish Americans complaining that nobody is giving them potatoes
Do you get paid to make strawmen? Because this one is very damn good, congratulations.

It's not a straw man, you were just blown the fuck out. Instead of that pathetic attempt to try and save face, just fuck off and reevaluate your views to get blown the fuck out less in the future.

I wasn't even the one you replied to, I was just blown away at how hard you had to misconstrue an argument in order to try to have the upper hand.
No imbecile, it's not nearly the same because Irish Americans don't suffer the same amount of discrimination nor were victims of slavery nor segregation as far as 60 years ago.

>Trauma does not persist through generations, you utter retard.
Dude there's people alive RIGHT NOW who lived through the Jim Crow laws. What the fuck are you even trying here?
>At some point you have to admit that nigs are just nogs, ENTIRELY due to their own fault, no matter where on the planet you place them.
Damn, blown the fuck out!

I love the boondocks thread because everyone in those thread all ways talk about the black criticism the should had while almost being completely silent about the shit they said about white people.

But they act the same everywhere.
Jim Crow laws didn't somehow make 13% do 50%.

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Yes, please direct potential recruits to /pol/.

>when you get blown the fuck out so hard you try to delete all evidence of it ever happening
kek

Even mixed people don’t have straight hair naturally.