References that you thought where stupid

>In the case of the OP, it's a reference because it's visually similar, but that's it.
How do you even know it's a reference, though? It's a similar circumstance, but there's only so many ways to present something.

wonder if there's something that everyone has referenced already in their own shows but people complained when SU did it.

I think it comes down to honesty and respect.

if you're trying to pass it off as your own, with no attempt made to point out you're alluding, that's plagiarism.

and homage is about respect. so if you're not respectful in the way you tackle it, it's not homage.

Parody is a satirization, if your work is not respectful (though parody can be respectful), but also makes no exaggerations and valid critique to show flaws, then it's not even parody. You're just pointing out something exists and maybe attacking it.

Nigga Og Dragon ball lore was ripping off jap peach boy story.
Superman himself was ripping off Mosses

z only exists to differentiate the pre-saiyan arc and the saiyan and beyond arc (the manga itself never went by dragonball z).

creators can openly cite that x is a inspiration but as long as fans hate it, people will call it a rip-off. see the star wars crowd. anything that the OG references is a homage and anything that the prequels reference is a rip-off.

Eureka Seven referenced that exact scene at an extremely critical part of the show but I don't recall anybody complaining when it happened, because they were distinct enough that it felt like an homage. SU's an homage too but people have an enormous stick up their ass regarding the show, so they got bootyblasted at it.

It's hard to tell. It's like you feel there should he be something to make it obvious, like name dropping the title in a pun or playing a bit of the main theme, but then it's hated for a lack of subtly.

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A reference is when Americans are clapping because they got it.
A rip-off is when Americans are clapping and hooting because it's a foreign movie but remade for American audiences.

lastly, a work should never be composed entirely of homage. Even if you acknowledge the source so it's not plagiarism that's still just copying, and the mark of artistically unhealthy idolization, major insecurity about ones own capabilities, or a fundamental lack of creativity such that you started a work without having any real reason to, no spark or new idea to express.

The entire show

References are synonyms with Easter egg term, that should give you an idea when it's a reference and when it's a ripoff
Eureka Seven got a lot of shit long before that so I feel like SU most that bitched just stop watching it. Also that show rolled out in 2005 long before internet outcry culture was even a thing

I didn't think it was a reference there or with SU. It's similar, but it's like calling every super hero a reference to Superman; you can make the argument that there is influence, but it isn't a reference. Spirited Away doesn't own the concept of people crying and talking to each other while falling.

If I know where it is from and enjoy it then it is a reference. If someone has to tell me and I therefore loose some nerd cred on a Tibetan basket weaving forum then it's a rip-off. It's as simple as that.

it's a stupidly executed reference but not a full blown rip off/rift
pic related is a rip off but executed fantastically to where you find it clever

Neither is good or bad. Execution is key.

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Fair enough with the outcry culture thing. When Eureka Seven was airing the internet was mostly silly jokes and flash videos still, while SU premiered on the cusp of everyone turning into frothing at the mouth retards

Eureka Seven aired pre /new/ (prototype /pol/) and even pre reddit

it was a whole other world back then.

This too. The internet was less cyncial as a default in the oughts.

>Spirited Away doesn't own the concept of people crying and talking to each other while falling.
slightly related. it's funny how fans of one studio can claim to own this pose but when people point out someone who did it first it's "too generic a pose that you can't claim it's yours"

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Tdp has a bunch of stupid references. Especially the “one does not simply walk into Xadia” one

That one shot in the kiki's pizza delivery service episode, you know the one.

It's just that Steven and kiki were having a serious moment but it's completely ruined by the show going LOL ANIME REFRANCE!

it's a dream sequence anyway. also if a wildly popular show does it, can they get away with homage/rip-off?

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People that praise KlK for originality remind me a lot of the people that praised TTGL for its originality back in the late 00s. They both wear their influences openly on their sleeves, and are fun in their own rights, but people who likely had seen very few anime or read very few manga acted like they literally invented every single thing they did.

That's too broad. Traditional Japanese writing is supposed to be done downwards to the left, many shows/games do that.

A reference is when it's good.
A rip-off is when it's bad.

Dream sequence and you have to know the reference to catch it, which most probably won't. Like most of SU's "problems" this is just another case of it being OK for other shows but not OK for this one.

This. Some series have fanbase problems, others have anti-fanbase (of there is such a thing) problems where people actively want to hate something so innocuous things other series would do become bad.

Myazaki is an overrated hack that's been telling the same story over and over for the last 50 years, Change my mind.

I CLAPPED! I CLAPPED WHEN THEY REFERENCED THE ANIME! IT MEANS ITS MORE ADULT NOW!

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Indeed. Chihiro is not nearly as fappable as Connie, though.

(You)

SU's fanbase was really obnoxious for a while to be fair, but nowadays you barely see any of it while people clamber over each other to try to find new ways to shit on the show. It's really kind of bizarre to see such an obsessive "hatedom" of sorts instead of an obsessive fandom.

i dont know rick, doesnt seem like a reference to me, just a coincidence.

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So many popular shows are derivative of getter robo. Theyre all worse too.

Read a dictionary.

A reference is either a one-off gag that, through the context of the presentation of the scene, is explicitly made so that people would be able to recognize it or is an exploration that comments or critiques said thing. It is transformative and the work does not depend entirely on it to have its own merits.

A rip-off occurs when a series tries to hide it and makes no effort of making the changes that would quantify it enough as their own while giving credit where credit is due. Often this occurs when the work has no merits of its own even when it tries to synthesize information.

It's the difference between paraphrasing and quoting something in your paper and just copy pasting the majority of it and claiming it's yours. Both are taking things other people have said but the context and how it's used is what matters entirely.

I would give anything to go back to 00s internet fandom spaces. Even the "cringe" was more palpable.

I was in middle school and highschool by then and there were flamewars, I think a large part of the problem now is that our fan sites and forums aren't exclusive spaces, they're places like these where SJW hate threads are neighbors with "let's actually talk about this fucking show" generals. Board culture filters thoughts into memes in the overarching culture war and it suddenly becomes important that Steven walks like a faggot.

>our fan sites and forums aren't exclusive spaces
I agree. Back then what drove people to the internet for non-work purposes was because they didn't have an outlet for talking about retarded nerd shit IRL. Flamewars were at least on topic.