Black Panther, Aquaman and Captain Marvel movies made 1.1-1.3 billion at box-office

He might be black or horribly disfigured under that mask

>880 millions
This is the actual number BP and CM woud pull if it weren't for extra meddling due to corporate interests. Disney doesn't "need" Spider-Man to win

Into the Spiderverse proved that an older Peter Parker is actually likable and can still work. Homecoming was just too vanilla in this day and age. It's sad when the most memorable thing about a Spider-man movie is the villain being played by Batman.

as opposed to... fake numbers they got?

>a reboot of an aggressively exhausted franchise makes more than a movie featuring both Batman and Superman
It's amazing this counts as a low point for the MCU

I really liked Homecoming :(

Way more so than Amazing. I thought Parker being this edgy skateboard fag was character assassination

Superman is not a huge box-office draw, Superman Returns outright bombed, not even making 2x of it's budget

Making him a more sophisticated outcast instead of just an awkward nerd was not a bad choice in concept, but Garfield's performance made the character very difficult to like and the movie itself is a fucking committee-dictated goop of vanilla.

>Peter being aggressive loner is character assissination
>Peter being a worthless sidekick who was made into an actual superhero by his sugar daddy is not
How to spot people who never gave a crap about Spider-man 101

>normies
Fuck off normalfag

Not that user but I never understood the popularity of spider-man, it's just some nerd guy with "spider" powers.

Not all of us are autismos that read every trade ever published

>Imagine the hype for Homecoming if it was the first solo movie about him since 2007

That's part of why I liked Homecoming. I totally ignored the ASM movies. From Raimi to Homecoming, a reboot feels so much more appropriate.

For the general audience it's one of the most appealing characters; the abilities are a good balance between "original" and generic superhero stuff, and the everyman character is a safe bet. In fact, I believe one of the worst traits of the Webb Spider-Man was they made a point of creating this "everything is connected" destiny for the character instead of making him a schmoe that gets his powers out of sheer chance

See you dipshits in a few months after Far From Home makes a billion

>People dislike kid characters unless the movie has 80s nostalgia and horror
>Spider-Man fatigue
It sucks that worse Superhero movies do better at box office than Spider-Man but that's just the world we live in right now.

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Causa homecuming sucks. I hate this movie even more than Captain Dirty Fingers because i was expecting something terrible with a shitty character. But fuck HC is profanity.

Shazam! is a better film than Homecoming on its own. Drowning one of the most recognizable and loved superheroes in MCU cross-lore was pretty disrespectful. Conversely, Shazam! is a literally who for the mainstream viewer and yet they managed to make an enjoyable and attractive movie that didn't rely heavily on the stablished DCEU lore granted, because nobody cares about it anyway

the spider-man who I know and love used to be a smart and cool character who makes jokes at the expensive of other people but not his own.
this new spider-man is an emasculated loser who constantly makes lame jokes. we are supposed to laugh at him not with him.
also all the blackwashing of his supporting cast also made me lose interest.
also pretty creepy who the sexualize a teenage boy having him strip down several times while constantly decrying how "sexist comics are towards women" Venenthrombus not a single women has been portrayed in a sexual way or skimpy outfit since iron man 2

Maybe it's just me but I want adult Peter

Leave kid Peter for the animated series

FFH will make a billion

Why do normies hate Superman, Batman and the entire Justice League

Shazam is an exception. Not the norm.

Spiderman is too quippy and won't stop talking for each minute when he's fighting. Rewatch Raimi's Spiderman and it's a big difference in how he handles the character. Also...
>Tony Stark
>Wasting Venom, Electro, and Sandman on shit movies
>Boring low-threat starter pack villains like Dr. Lizard and Vulture
>The stakes have Spiderman save New York rather than fight a world-ending threat.
>Live-action CGI fest when Spiderverse proves the Spiderman series works better as CGI Animated movies only.

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>The lack of quips was a studio mandate because they didn't want comparisons to Batman and Robin
>Dr Lizard
>Vulture almost drowned Peter less than five minutes after first encountering him
>Raimi villains weren't a threat outside of NY within the context of their movies
>Spider-Verse lacked general audience appeal. It made about $300 mil.
>Dr Lizard
This is a casual post by someone with second hand Spidey knowledge. I'm a Raimi Spidey-fag and a bunch of this is dumb. The general audience don't mind lower-threat villains if they're entertaning. Raimi 1 proved that.
I agree with your second point that three mediocre movies tained audience perception but that's a no-brainer

Shazam is basically what Spider-Man Homecoming should've been.

I really think they missed the teenage aspect of Spider-Man after like the first five minutes.

Shazam barely made it's budget back

This. Literally in the span of 15 years we've had 8 different Spiderman movies, 1 cartoon movie and 3 cartoon shows.

god i want to bury my face in that ass while i'm being choked to death with those thighs

That has nothing to do with the point that they're making. Shazam's budget and income is unrelated to its utilization of a child/teenager-driven storyline compared to Spider-Man: Homecoming.

>Shazam's budget and income is unrelated to its utilization of a child/teenager-driven storyline compared to Spider-Man: Homecoming.
It's cute that you actually believe that.

I still haven't seen Homecoming. Very hard to get excited about it when it's the third iteration of the character in a decade, the only thing it looks like it has going for it in the trailers is "he's MCU now!", and the cast appears to mostly be OCs instead of pulling from the wealth of supporting characters in the comics (Gloria Grant? Betty Brant? Ned Leeds? I understand you don't want to use Harry, Mary-Jane, and Gwen again, but come on, who cares about not-MJ, fat Asian kid, and non-Chad Flash Thompson?)

Also, making Iron Man his mentor was a bad move.

But Homecoming wasn't a Spider-Man movie

>Green Goblin - Iconic Archnemesis
>Dok Ock- Archnemesis and global threat (Power of the sun all on his own, just like Octavia's dimension-tier threat)
>Venom - Global threat that introduces Carnage and more symbiotes
Raimi's trilogy had the best villains with questionable execution. I'd rather have Green Goblin over Dr. Lizard and Vulture anyday. What's next? The general audience wants to see The Rhino get his own main villain movie?

Spiderverse had skipped frame-rate which turned a lot of people off, including the Pixar zoomers.

I said
>Dr Lizard
because he isn't Dr Lizard. It's THE LIZARD YOU FUCK.
Spider-Man has a lot of villains who can hold their own, but lack normalfag penetration. I genuinely think that's the main problem.
>Kraven
>Tombstone
>Smythe/Spider Slayer
>Scorpion
>Morbius, if we're going left field
>Jackal
Any good Spidey villain would work if they put in the effort. Spiderverse used Prowler who's a B lister at absolute best

>Makes more than JL

my sides

The Lizard has a PhD and a labcoat...and he's a doctor so...

And Spiderverse has Ultimate Goblin, Scorpion, Octavia, Kingpin, Tombstone, etc working together in 90 minutes. Prowler and all B-tier villains lack normie interest but that's why they work better as a team. 3/6 Sinister Six members are usually standalone major threats while all the others in your list are support members. Be glad Mysterio is in Far From Home because he deserves a movie, and Hydroman could work too.

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>Raimi wanted to have Vulture and Mysterio in his Spider-man 4
>MCU Spider faces Vulture and Mysterio in his first two movies
What did they mean by that?

>In that 2007 MTV interview, before a script was in place or anyone was officially attached, Raimi said that he’d "love to see Electro, Vulture, maybe the Sinister Six as a team" in Spider-Man 4, as well as stating that "I love Dylan Baker as a person, and I really like the character he is developing".
denofgeek.com/movies/spider-man-4/39659/how-sam-raimis-spider-man-4-would-have-panned-out
Ock was confirmed to be alive in 3. The Sinister 6 was coming back as an idea for the Amazing Spiderman series.

A lot of superhero script ideas are recycled for reboots. The Batman and Robin sequel was going to use scarecrow like Begins did, the Hulk 2008 movie was retooled from a 2003 movie sequel, even the recent Hellboy movie was originally started as a sequel script.

Peter did nothing in that movie.
Got all his tech from Tony and not making his own.
Had to ask his fat friend to hack his suit so he could access all his other suits abilities.

>made about 300mil
>375.1 million
Don’t round down so drastically to try to prove your point

My mistake. I couldn't remember if the second digit was a 2 or 7. I went with 2. Though my point stands. I love Spider-Verse but what the fuck happened? I have theories, but meh. It sucks

Introduce 6 spiders and a fuck ton of villains in 90 minutes, rather than 2 hours of runtime.
Miles Morales is useless until the last 15 minutes.
Penny, Spiderham, and Noir doesn't add much to the story. (Peter could've fixed the drive himself)

It hurts my eyes to watch this in theaters when I was playing 60fps vidya an hour before. Should've stuck with 3D instead.

I guess it makes sense. It's likely that the people who went in knowing bugger all were put off by the stuff that was glossed over, now that I think of it

>the movie itself is a fucking committee-dictated goop of vanilla.

And Homecoming isn't?

>Ock was confirmed to be alive in 3.

No, he wasn't.

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He doesnt have any charm of Spiderman

>Shitty unfunny zoomer underage tier kind of quip
>Super advanced suit right off the start
>Literally no suffering
>No spider sense, depend on some shitty poor man's Friday instead

All in all it felt like i was watching some high school version of Ironman. Shit was weak

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No. No they didnt.

Doctor Lizard is amazing. It needs to be a thing now

Spider-Man usually has a lot of inner monologues, and I didn't like that Disney thought that would be weird and gave their suit an AI for Peter to talk to.

it was a shitty movie

>It's sad when the most memorable thing about a Spider-man movie is the villain being played by Batman.
Although it's also sad that most of the time you can't even remember the villain in a Marvel movie 10 minutes after you've left the theater. Vulture is almost joke tier in the comics these days, but they made a great villain of him. Looking forward to Mysterio.

>super advanced suit
The suit itself was only advanced because Peter hacked it, which only caused more problems than it solved. My guess if FFH will understand that.

>no suffering
user, everything that happened in HC was because of something Peter did. Ignoring Ned because of Liz? Ned finds out Peter's identity. Peter chases after the truck of weapons instead of going to the party? He gets involved with Vulture in the first place. Peter trusts Ned with the Chitari core without knowing anything about it? Everyone at Washington Monument was put in danger. Peter ignores Tony and chases culture anyway? The ferry almost sinks. Peter is a very active character in HC, a stark contrast to Raimi Peter, who only ever did anything major or plot-relevant because if he didn't do the right thing, Mary Jane would die (FFS all three climaxes of the first three movies were exactly the same).

>No Spider-sense
Every time a movie has a big scene explaining how the Spider-Sense works, it's almost always forgotten by the third act so the villains can get hits on Peter. Like that apartment fire fight in the first Spider-Man. Homecoming did the right thing by not focusing on it much, and making it far less powerful than the previous incarnations.

Forgetting movie villains isn't exclusive to Marvel. Plenty of action movies have forgettable protagonists. James Bond, F&F, and plenty other franchises.

At least Spider-Man still has love or at best, minor indifference to the character as mentioned

Compare that to Superman (practically irrelevant) and Batman (overexposed and fatigue is starting to set in)

>Superman is not a huge box-office draw

his brand was strong back then. The movie studios don't understand how to work with the character.

Homecoming killed MCU Spidey at birth. It made the greatest solo teen hero into Iron Man's buttmonkey. Black Panther and Aquaman both deserved to beat that heap of a movie. Captain Marvel was much like Homecoming in terms of inoffensiveness and how boring it was, but it had an audience that was out to prove some kind of a point at the very least. Homecoming had literally nothing. I'm really wishing there's a post-Endgame slump that affects FFH badly enough to kill MCU Spidey.

>Spiderman is too quippy and won't stop talking for each minute when he's fighting.
Yes, like in the comics.

>Rewatch Raimi's Spiderman and it's a big difference in how he handles the character.
Exactly. That's why I hate the Raimi trilogy aside from the Nazi memes.

>Got all his tech from Tony and not making his own.
Didn't he defeat Toomes at the end with his homemade suit? Also, his webshooters are 100% Parker's tech, not Stark.

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it was a kino movie, but everything Iron Man related was bullshit.

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Zack Snyder made them hate them.

Nothing fresh about him anymore, they've had too many reboots. Sony thought they could boost interest by saying "Hey look we've got Iron Man in it now", even though people didn't really ask for Iron Man to be in a Spider-Man movie, and he's already kind of old hat at this point. Those movies also had a diversity boost, and by that I mean that the main character is different from the standard white man superhero archetype, bringing in people who wouldn't always watch most superhero films, making it seem like a new and important cultural event. And no, changing MJ to "Michelle Jones" and making her black doesn't give the story the same push, because a diverse side cast is pretty standard, it's diverse heroes that are in demand.