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Born Again I'd say since it's largely considered THE Daredevil story

Definitely Hush, I think people recommend it as a first because it features a lot of the Batfamily and Batman's rogues, has Jim Lee art, and has a pretty basic Batman story.
Feel like I might have worded the original post a little unclear, was wondering what other people thought about the "firsts" or entry level comics that seem to be recommended a lot and which ones are good vs bad, myself not being new. But I have to agree that I would recommend someone interested in Batman to go with Long Halloween over Hush.

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Second that people should read Peanuts and Calvin and Hobbes, read the collections my library at school had dozens of times when I was a kid.

No offense to anybody that does, but does anybody not outside the U.S. actually read the Don Rosa Donald Duck and Scrooge McDuck stuff? What I always see on here about it is that no one comes to his booth at the U.S. cons but there's a huge line whenever he goes to Europe.

Born Again is better but for it to hit you need to have read DD comics and have a connection to Matt. At the least read the Miller run

What you'll find on Yea Forums is Americans who read only Life & Times, exclusively Life & Times, nothing before Life & Times and nothing after Life & Times.

>Civil War

This is trash.

Definitely agree with this, it's a great DD story but it shouldn't be the first. I would say the same thing about Spider-Man: Blue, it's a great story but it really hits if you've read some of the Silver Age stuff, and the Death of the Stacys, it makes it that much more meaningful when you familiarize yourself with Pete and Gwen's relationship.

Born Again caps off the Miller work in terms of where it takes place in the continuity, but it is THE pinnacle of Miller's work on the character and genuinely arguably the pinnacle of comics in general. It is also several times more popular than The Man Without Fear and it's not even close.

>genuinely arguably the pinnacle of comics in general.
Not even Mazzucchelli's third-best work.

I don't think it's the absolute worst thing Marvel has put out, but most of the characters aren't representative of how they usually are in the 616 so I'm always surprised when I see it as one the first Marvel comics people buy

SHIT I WOULD PERSONALLY RECOMMEND:

Batman Year One
The Dark Knight Returns
Frank Miller's Daredevil (all of it, but ONLY if he WROTE it)
Conan #0-50 (Dark Horse volume)
Conan the Cimmerian (direct sequel to the above, probably should only read it if you've read and enjoyed the first volume)
Alan Moore's Swamp Thing
The Life & Times of Scrooge McDuck (seriously)
Hitman
Grant Morrison's Animal Man
Planetary

This is a flat-out lie.

This is a decent list, I'd read most of these before I started weekly capeshit.

Asterios Polyp
City of Glass
Rubber Blanket

This pic is meant to be a "person who knows nothing about comics starter pack", right? Because it's closer to being "comics people THINK they're supposed to read" rather than being "the actual best comics".

The Elektra Saga is more influential, more definitive, more historically important, and I think it actually might have outsold Born Again. And historically it has usually been held in higher regard.

That said, Born Again is the better of the two.

Did you read the text at the top?

Here's a list of comics that are also NOT the very best, but good introductions for diving deeper into the medium.

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Would you care to explain why?

No one recommends Locke & Key. EVER.

That list is even worse.

Serious question: How thick is your neckbeard?

2016 was a different time. It's a boring comic that was somehow extremely popular based solely on the name recognition of the author.

Start with the self contained stories.
Batman: Year One
Batman: The Dark Knight Returns
Watchmen
Kingdom Come
Batman: The Long Halloween
Batman: Dark Victory
Batman: Arkham Assylum
All-Star Superman
Batman: Hush
Sandman: Season of the Mists

Ultimate Spider-Man Vol 1.
The Ultimates 1 & 2
Hulk Grey
Spider-Man: Blue
Secret Wars (1984)
Hulk Visionaries: Peter David Vol 1
Spider-Man: Kraven's Last Hunt
Infinity Gauntlet
Daredevil Visionaries: Frank Miller Vol 2
Daredevil: Born Again
The Punisher: Welcome Back Frank
Nick Fury Agent of SHIELD by Jim Stranko

Hellboy: Seeds of Destruction
Cerebus: High Society
Maus
The Cartoon History of the Universe (any volume)

Read any of those, as they're self-contained stories, and have next to no continuity commitments. After that, you can figure out your tastes and read comics selectively.

>Cerebus: High Society
Please do not read this unless you've already read the first volume.

Please do not read the first volume unless you've read all the warnings and you've prepared yourself for the dangers that lie ahead.

Why do comics fans not realized that Watchmen is considered "fedora shit" by literally everyone in society other than comics fans? Shit like that is why comics are stigmatized and seen as "beneath" other mediums. When "the pinnacle" of your medium is considered something as dull and overly-formalized and full of pseudoscience and pop-psychology as Watchmen then it reflects poorly on the people who consume that medium. FFS, it's about a guy blowing up New York, which somehow makes "world peace" (without defining what that even constitutes) happen, which makes NO fucking sense. The entire comic is predicated on the assumption that the Cold War can ONLY end in a nuclear war, which was proven false like 2 years after the fucking comic was published. And then they did an almost accurate adaptation in movie form and it was GARBAGE, and yet somehow despite it having the same story as the comic (aside from the ending) comics fans still didn't get it through their heads that their "favorite comic ever" has a shitty fucking story that doesn't even hold up to the basement-level standards of superhero movies. The only defense of the comic is that "it was interesting storytelling that utilizes the medium and can't be done in any other medium", which if you even slightly fucking care about you have literal autism.

>Maus

This has to be one of the worst comics ever made. It's only recommended because it's "critically acclaimed" and nerds think they're "sophisticated" for reading it. It's trash.

Been reading comics since 92 and besides supes, preacher ,hellboy,sandman and Calvin and Hobbs never read any of those.

>a kid came into the library I work at
>he wanted some DBZ Super manga
>all of it had been checked out
>he was disappointed so I offered him All-Star Superman and talked him into trying it

I don't know how that story ends, but I hope I did some good that day.

Not even Peanuts? That's a yikes from me, dawg.

You are 100% newfag, don't get so defensive

I watched the cartoons but comics no. Just didn't intrest me enough to read the comics.

I read almost half of these but I don't feel any different.
I should start getting higher standards but SOMEHOW I just don't want to.
Man, It's like my mind just wants to be a Normie (Normalfag WHATEVER) and start reading low-brow comics again.

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I wasn't trying to sound defensive, I was just trying to explain what I meant in the original post.

If it makes you feel any better, I've read most of these but I also unironically like panned shit like Civil War and Axis.

I think... I just don't care anymore.
I'll just read the books I like and just go with the flow.
I like shit like JLD and Immortal Hulk purely for the visuals and I think that's fine, I know the story is a bit weak but whatevs I just wanna see where it goes (Which is what I always do with any run) until I had enough.

Reading what appeals to you is probably the best way to go, it's like feeling bad that you like summer blockbuster action movies, if that's what you enjoy, than go for it. I actually like JLD also, it's a team that features most of my favorite DC characters and I know they're not appearing in anything else anytime soon so I'll take it, plus the writing/story is serviceable and the art is great.

>Reading what appeals to you is probably the best way to go, it's like feeling bad that you like summer blockbuster action movies, if that's what you enjoy, than go for it.
Yep, that's really the way to go.
I mean I don't just wanna read some high-class "Artsy" book every time. Imagine reading Planetary, Sandman and other critically acclaimed books over and over? It's hell.
You can debate the quality of a comic but you can still enjoy the ride. Don't let other anons take that fun away from you.

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>high-class "Artsy" book
>Planetary
Huh?

Am I implying that? (I don't know how to describe it in English, should have just used "2deep4u").

It isn't 2deep 4u either. It's dumbed down enough for someone like me to fully understand it.

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I can't shit on you for liking Axis. The Carnage and Hobgoblin tie-ins were so goddamn good.

Axis was better than shit like House of M

Usagi Yojimbo is kino.

God I loved that Carnage mini so much

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I think the best way to get into something is to grab some recommended lists and just start plowing through. Then (and by that I don't mean necessarily finishing the list) start looking into names you see when looking into titles on those lists.
Don't be afraid to read crap. Reading crap helps you identify and understand a medium. As long as you walk away understanding WHY something is crap, you can't really call it wasted time.

This of course all assumes you actually want to delve into a medium and want to approach it open mindedly.

Planetary is as low-brow as a superhero comic. How can you possibly argue that it's "artsy" or "hard to understand". Warren Ellis himself has said that he considers it to be similar to a superhero comic, if not outright a literal superhero comic with extra sci-fi themes.

Invincible is really good.

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Mate, I'm seriously curious about what you're into. I assume Gary Groth and Kim Thompson must have gang-raped you but there's nothing wrong with reading non-cape stuff, you don't even have to drop capes to get some of that delicious Bros Hernandes big titty rollercoaster

Man why the fuck do people enjoy Kirkman, everything I've ever read by him is the definition of "mediocre".
It's not even bad enough to get angry at.

>it would probably be something like Saga
this and since it's not cape wank, newbies pick this up more.

Watchmen is taught at the majority of high schools and colleges, you're just 13 years old

if you insist of capeshit then self-contained arcs of Batman, Punisher, Deadpool one of those Loeb/Sale collections or anything Mark Millar does besides that extreme edgy shit
March for social justice inclined
Spinning for young homos
Moore comics like From Hell if they are into reading other types of books already

The comics are better.

>Just giving capeshit to a kid instead of Usagi Yojimbo