Okay, who would actually win?

Why bother?
He already has Sunshine Superman within his reach.

We all know it's a matter of time.

Superman and Kryptonians in general are weak to magic and electricity. Unless he takes Billy out quickly Shazam would win.

Superman's power is constatly throwing as he ages under a yellow sun, and he can become more power depending on the type of sub he gains energy. Shazam's power is stale, he can only gain more experienced with it like Adam, and Adam is a really powerful being.

>DCEU Superman already is more powerful then the greek gods

CM would win but DC would never allow it.

Superman, always. Stop with this powerlevel shit, you aren't 12 anymore.
Superman is the bigger brand, so he will always win.

the female Captain Marvel, stupid

I don’t know, Monica is strong but not THAT strong

Marvel is THE POWERHOUSE of the two but Supes is the guy who is smarter or a better fighter so Supes.

Mary Marvel? Ehhh, maybe. I don't think she'd be willing to do a killing / finishing blow though

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I dunno, Mary did curbstomp Captain Atom and he's no pushover.

Supes is weak to magic. Shazam is weak to saying his own name

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>who would
You say this as if this matchup has never, ever happened in canon. It's happened several times, at least twice that I can recall, and Billy has always won against normal stock Superman.
You wasted a thread asking some shit you could have easily googled in 2 seconds.

this

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Chadzam, superman is super weak to magic.

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if it's the old Captain Marvel he wins if it's the new fuccboi Shazam supes wins

Someone finally posted it.

Superman isn't weak to magic. He just isn't resistant to it. Fucking brainlets

Shazam has the powers of the wizard right?
Which means that he should be able to cast spells

So Shazam

What's the difference between a weakness and a feature that can be exploited to bring someone down?

it's like saying Batman loses to two face because he's weak to being shot in the chin

If TwoFace actually manages to shoot batman square in the chin, and there's nothing that batman has added to protect him from said chin shot, then yeah, batman would lose

That's like being mad that balloons pop when they touch something pointy
If you can destroy something because something isn't resistant to it, then it's a weakness

This isn't pokemon

Reminder the WS universe jobbed hard to Captain Atom.

The one with the good movie.

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You're missing the point.
Magic isn't stronger on Superman than on any other character without some kind of magic resistance. That means that while magic hurts him he still can endure a lot of it thanks to his powers.
People like to pretend superman would go down to magic like a piece of paper.
Lots of characters can hurt Superman. It doesn't mean he loses to it.
Kryptonite is an actual weakness and he still can endure some of it.

So both?

So he can be harmed by it then?
Harmed to the point of death?

It's a 50/50 escenario.

He also can be harmed by strong enough physical blunt force with no magic involved.

Although the magic thing is inconsistent among the writers though. Some writers DO write him as actively weak to magic to the point that weapons pierce him just because they're enchanted, even if they shouldn't be nearly strong enough to damage someone as powerful as him. That all seems to originate from a misunderstanding in the story where Kryptonite debuted though, since during most of the plot everyone thinks it's magic. Many other writers don't actually acknowledge it as a weakness in that way.

And EVEN the writers who acknowledge it as a weakness ironically seem to make it much looser and less effective when dealing with actually strong magic. It's how you got many clashes between Superman and Captain Marvel pre-Flashpoint, rather than Superman always falling in one hit to his magical power.

if its in the sense of apex murdermode vs apex mudermode, superman

if its a casual romp and one was just zay mindcontrolled for an issue till they had to figure out how to fix the problem, shazam. hes near the same strength, and since billys general use powers (fast, punch gud, and the like) are just magical strength, not actual magic, it comes down to the Z and his lightning

Didn't murdermode Shazam curbstomped the Spectre?

with a lot of help. he was the go to for combatting the spectre when the big two wizards were already defeated, xanadu and fate

If you get the whole Magic Community together and syphon all their power into the Big Red Cheese then yes but otherwise Billy is pretty fucked when dealing with Supes.

>you aren't 12 anymore.

Mentally, they still are - that's why we keep getting these "who would win" threads, or "How strong is he".

Sometimes I wish we could purge faggots from this board.

Goku.

>ITT
>the youtuber I'm parroting is better than the youtuber you're parroting

I don't read youtuber though

They're exactly as strong as each other

But ever since Captain Marvel fell under the properties of DC, and Superman is the king of DC, Captain Marvel will always lose these days even when it makes no sense. There's a few bad instances lately.

Cap is a guy who "could" beat Superman, but it could just as easily go the other way, they're the same tier.

Anyone with logic knows this moment doesn't make sense for a few reasons. The closest anyone could come to rationalizing it is that Captain Marvel in that scene was just Billy, but since its been like ten years he looked like Shazam even when he's untransformed now.

Nah retard

>Has no resistance to magic
>Which means weak to it
>Which means even Lv1 brainwashing, death, and curse spells would effect him 100%
inb4 "But he's super strong so they'd only slightly effect him

Magic works on a conceptual scale, so it'll hit him 100% no matter what as if he's a normal human. Even a basic curse or a magic lightning bolt would damage him like he's a human

Question, if Goku is japanese Superman, than who is the japanese Shazam/Captain Marvel?

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Captain Marvel, but Wonder Woman beats him because of lasso and Superman beats her through sheer power. It's like Rock, Paper, Scissors.

Sentai? Magical Girls? Idk.

>than who is the japanese Shazam/Captain Marvel?
Astro Boy.

again this shit, superman has no weakness to magic

Whoever you wabt. Shazam doesn't have magic punches, the magic just makes him as strong as Superman. Fighting a flying brick is an average Wednesday for Superman. The lightning can hurt but Superman also has tricks up his sleeves like heat vision and ice breath. So yeah, whoever you want to will win.

Ultraman

Why give him Magneto colors?

Billy is literally a magical boy when you think about it

Captain Marvel's powers are magic based. Superman is vulnerable to magic. Superman may have greater strength and speed than Captain Marvel, but it wouldn't matter.

You know... I remembered Captain Marvel travelled back into the Big Bang and spoke to the Wizard.
Couldn't he just travel back in time and kill Clark before coming to Earth?

Goku-san!

Up to the writer. Shazam has a magical edge, but Superman can easily outsmart him since he regularly deals with Mxyzptlk. He has to make that little shit say his name backwards all the time.

But he isn't invulnerable to it either, or lightning, so Billy's lightning is gonna hit him pretty hard.

How technical and stupid do you want to get?

If Superman fights smart meaning he combines his powers instead of using them one at a time then he wins no problem. So let's say there's a fight, Superman is faster so he gets really far away, he speeds himself up so time seems to really slow. He uses his telescopic microscopic x-ray heat vision to give Billy a mild aneurysm and then keeps him sedated indefinitely.

But you say, Billy can time travel with the lightning, but can he activate his lightning before Superman can put him to sleep? How can Superman keep him sedated he has the stamina of Atlas well Superman has kryptonian technology let's say that it can because that shit can do all kinds of mcguffin stuff or if makes you feel better let's say he throws Billy into the Phantom Zone before he can heal himself.

>Superman has kryptonian technology
Can't give him this or you give Billy kryptonite.

Billy has magic he doesn't need Kryptonite

Wasn't Billy able to cast spells?

He can funnel the lightning into fuel for magic spells dunno about actually casting them

I though Captain Marvel was faster?
That's what I gleaned from that page someone posted where they need to stop the Flash.

That was justice. Different continuity.

Current cm would lose to supes, hes bee demoted a notch down as a flying brick i exchange for magic utility like in conjuring a ping pong table.

Pre n52, they were pretty even with cm having a slight advantage in durabilty because hes magic based

Superman's durability is a field around him that protects him. Magic bypasses that field and thus harms him like it does any human.

Harry Potter casting avada kadabra could kill superman with no problems

BUT 'ARRY WOULD NE'ER DO THAT YA PONCY TWAT!

Based

Didn't Shazam say he could only hold Superman for several minutes in Injustice?

well no, not exactly, the way it works is dependent on the wording of the spell. If the spell is basically "die" then yeah he's dead, if it's "hit with a bolt of energy" then he's with a bolt of energy it doesn't pack any extra punch or bypass his durability.

Another example would be "sword can cut through rock" isn't going to do much damage because Superman is stronger than rock if the enchantment is "sword can pierce any object" then yeah he's cut no problem. Magic simply affects him like it does anyone or anything depending on their natural abilities he isn't weak to it.

Kingdom Come had my favorite depiction of this matchup, later somewhat replicated in the JLU episode "Clash." It posits that Marvel and Superman are basically evenly matched, with Marvel having a very slight edge due to his inherently magical nature. Marvel has the potential to win outright if it occurs to him to weaponize his magic lightning- but Superman has the potential to reverse the situation if he's fast enough to get Marvel back in the path of the magic lightning he's trying to weaponize.

It can go either way, in other words. You might as well flip a coin.

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He is, was, and always has been invulnerable to lightning, with the one exception of his STAS incarnation.

Yes and no. Superman isn't "weak" to magic in the same way he's weak to Kryptonite, but he has no particular resistance to it, either. Magic affects him the same way it would affect any non-superpowered human.