DC/Marvel magic thread

I think JLD is going for the whole "Spectre kills the entire Magic community" but this time with DF and some Eldritch monstrosity.

I’m still annoyed at all the potentially interesting magic characters that Aaron killed so he could do his shitty redux of Gorr in his Dr. Strange run.

I prefer to pretend the run never existed. Waid's doing a pretty good job at ignoring most of it

What is up with Magic guys and getting brutally murdered? DC and Marvel tend to do this a lot.

It's bastardisation of DC's magic side.

Yeah, that quote is real cringe.

How?

no, Tynion writes narrations like a first grader. He is SO fucking repetitive. He wrote an issue about Detective Chimp and every page was repeating the words "The Chimp Drank" "The Detective took a drink" over and over, one page I think repeated it 5 fucking times. He's a terrible writer

Tynion writes like a pg-13 horror movie.
It's safe, it's in your face and values style over substance.

Aarons “Death of Magic” was aweful. The stuff after was alright. The only issue I really enjoyed was “the storm of the eye”. Damnation from Cates and Spencer was ok, but just felt like a typical cape story. Waids space stuff hasn’t been my favorite either.

Why can’t there be a Doctor Strange run that is straight up horro/occult?

Stuff like from Doctor Strange: Sorcerer Suprme from Gillis was the top tier Strange run. Had such a nice mix of horror and superhero stories.

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no dude, Tynion is fan-fic tier.
I'm not even sure it is still going

Waid's run became great when he got back to Earth, the first issue was bad

Adding on, I'm always pretty fond of the more dimensional tripping stories over horror/occult. Steve Englehart's MOTM run was better than Gillis for me as a result

Perhaps that's why I really like Waid's run after the first issue

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I liked the space stuff, it gave us the whole cool concept for Strange developing the forge for making custom magical items for each mission. And it gave us a really great space waifu. But yeah I guess his earth stuff has been better cause it dives right into multidimensional stuff. His lawyer one shot story was amazing.

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I liked it all honestly
I can understand why some people didn't liked the first issue because he choose to use an unusual way to narrate it

Read nu-Lucifer or Dreaming instead.

I'm so glad he got to write the milestone, the stories in it were pretty cool.

It was bad because it felt like another "HE LOSES HIS POWERS AGAIN" bullshit. He got it back real fast though, which makes it less bad in retrospect

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thing is, him losing his powers and dealing with the cost of magic had very good purpose and was used to retcon a lot of recent shit to make it make more sense. So in that case it actually was used in a good way to add to Dr Strange

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Yeah, guess I just had a automatic bad reaction to "lost magic" plotlines initially. I really fucking hated that they depowered Zat for a while in JLD

Who will be the next Dr Fate?

Goddamn it why can’t kent stay as fate

A couple of questins:

1. Is something that's "holy", magic?

2. Why (if he still is) is the Living Tribunal related towards magic? I know it's OP, but why was he gaurding it specifically?

Oh so your problem was the premise, that's legit.
I he handled better than the previous one, with Strange having to re-learn everything, kind of like when he was trained for the first time. Also he understand the character pretty well.

For me though if Strange suffers from losing his ability to use magic is too common, then what is the point of being “Sorcerer Supreme”?

I’d rather see him utilize his tool set of spells, incantations, and relics than constantly losing his ability to use magic at all.

Also more Bats. He’s like the new Rintrah, but better.

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1. Yes, I would say that it is, in both DC and Marvel. “Holy” objects channel forces of higher being(s), which makes it magic I suppose

2. His creation is to balance magic. There’s not much else to it otherwise

I wonder if Waid’s next arc will deal with the tribunal, he manages magic after all

oh, I totally agree. but it's not Waid's fault that other writers have done it too often and for bad reasons. Why the fuck did Tynion make a magic team book and then drop both the magic and the team part of the book?

Sorcerer supreme is one of the most meaningless titles anyways, it doesn’t give you shit but more trouble. The vishanti need to throw in more perks

Who is your favorite Marvel mystic principality?

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Fate has been downright fucking evil so many times his helmet should be the #1 priority for the entirety of magic DCU to get rid of somehow. I mean fuck, he has JUST went on another mass murder spree

I wish they kept his more mellow characterisation from the double fate run, or hell even his well-meaning for humanity over order from the J.M. miniseries (iirc), but DC HAS to reboot I guess

Aggamotto. Just a fucking insane dick that likes messing with doc. Plus I like his obsession with Alice in wonderland

Masked Strange was the sex
Too bad it lasted like just one issue

>masked Strange was the sex
Absolutely disgusting

I loved this issue

Is this the one where Cytorrak needs Stranges help and he ends up teaming up with Juggernaut?

As for my favorites go it’s Cytorakk, Oshtur, Valtor, and Satannish

Watoomb seems like a fumny guy

I didn’t like the dreaming because Daniel seems to be making the exact same mistakes as Morpheus and almost all the side characters felt off. I didn’t like the random bratty girl too. Does it get better?

Based

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No, it’s the one where Strange got tired of all entities wanting him for help he gave the finger to all of them. But then of course he comes back and fights the war

The juggernaut one was when he was roped into a trip with galactus

>Fate has been downright fucking evil so many times
I'm gonna call bullshit on that, like maybe once or twice.

oh, we've talked before. I think The Dreaming is fucking perfect now. Some stories are ok to be retold and tragic love stories should have many versions, they are core to our lives. And this one is just poetic.

And I haven't read the newest Lucifer issue but the first arc was really well done. It is confusing at first but as it comes together it starts to read like a very tight arc.

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The purple gem guy is Cyttorak? I thought he was supposed to look like a super version of Juggernaut?

Alright fine, it was hyperbole (I recall two times). But goddamn that’s still two times too many for someone with that insane level of power. I’m frankly tired that they brought back fate being an evil ass in JLD

Alright, I’ll give it another try. That was only my second time posting about the dreaming though, perhaps my complaints are quite common

Why did Willingham and Sturges write Nightshade like she was totally new to superheroing in Shadowpact?
She fucking served on the Suicide Squad with Enchantress for years, absorbed Enchantress' Succubus spirit, and yet the two never interact or mention their long history.
shadowpact sucked

Can somebody please repost that image of Batman finding a bunch of weapons in a garbage dump and crying because of it?

Pretty please

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The entities vary in appearance and number, always, depending on the audience

oh, my bad, I had a long talk on Yea Forums with another user who didn't like it cause it was Danial making the same mistake as Morpheus. Just give issues 7 and 8 a try, it's very tonally different from the first 6.

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I hate that Carey's run never happened, but I guess it's good that it means the ending from it can still hold (2015 series notwithstanding)

honestly, i really hate it and dropped it.
what they sold me was an group comic, ~6ish characters, fixing magic, being the justice league but wizards. i havent really read huge amounts of the entire group, but enough to be passing, and enjoy their stories. probably read the most of WW and ST, who are two of the more important people in the group
what they gave us was, "heres 2 people that do all the talking, also constantine is always there and important, despite not being on the team, make sure you read his dialogue twice because of how cool he is" and 4 characters either jobbing, or doing nothing at all

I fucking hate Bendis speak

God the next run better deal with the boss of the accountants. All the teasing has to lead to something, and getting an actual clear picture of the marvel magic heirachy is desperately needed, or just how marvel magic works in general

Is Defenders essential marvel magic? Are they ever going to reprint the early stuff again since the Masterworks are pretty much OOP?

I think how marvel magic works is actually decently clear. Correct me if I’m wrong, though.

The stronger spells are woven by channeling the power of entities through the user, and its up to the entity whether to respond or not. The power of the each entities can only be utilised in specific ways (e.g faltine with fire)

>”white” magic: cost to user (I suppose now, it’s retconned as the cost paid to the entity)
>”black” magic: cost to someone else

And then you can do it through special items as well

There’s also innate magic, where the user taps on his/her own store directly without calling on something else. Such spells are weaker but do not need an incantation

The only iffy one is chaos magic

Strange got the ire of the accountants because he calls on entities too much too fast and his accountant fucked up

But yes, the hierarchy is extremely confusing, especially with the accountants thrown in the mix

Yes, most of classic defender’s foes are mystic in nature. It’s also decent fun. As for the reprint, we can only pray

Cytorakk has looked different a bunch of times. More recently over the years he’s looked demon/monster

Doesn’t Constantine have lung cancer again and uses flashy magic now?

that Roger Stern & Peter Gillis era is pure Strange Kino

I was thinking this the other day while.looking for Dr Strange's house in the East village that Marvel should copy Alan Moore and do a Dr Strange movie set in a secret society magical Ivey league college setting. Like Stephen vs Demented Hogwarts.

>Strange vs evil magic school
Holy shit I want this

Take my fucking money

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But how does DC magic work???

You are right, how magic works is pretty clear
The entities are "in charge" of their own dimensions most of the times, somo of them are helllords others are entire races of magical beings.
Also we know magic originates from the fifth multiverse and some beings from there managed to survive in the new Multiverses

The only thing that is missing is who is actually in charge and who keeps the balance (besides the Sorcerer Supreme)
Although for me it is not a real problem because it is fitting for the magic to be chaotic.

Strange being a hockey fan is awesome

It's.
It's the textbook definition definition of the best of a bad bunch for me. See, the PREVIOUS JLD run was already a downgrade from what I thought of as DC's magic. Constantine was shooting frickin' lazer beams, they threw in Tim Hunter just because (and yes, that does seem to have been effectively retconned), and we had the ever insufferable John/Zee ship that seems to exist to force artificial drama. Despite all that the situations the JLD faced off against were interesting and once you got past the pewpew lasers the magic was well used.

The current JLD run feels like an exaggeration of the previous one. Tynion or whoever's in charge of it seems to have seen fit to make it utterly incompetant and job out to everything it faces, for one. Diana's vaguely alluded knowledge of gods as living ideas under Morrison's run might've told her charging at them wasn't a good idea, but no. Zatanna's magic plain doesn't work, ever, even when Circe's contributes. Swamp Thing and Constantine are striaght up not part of the main group, which is the smart decision because the last two are Man-Bat and Detective Chimp. Did I mention Tynion is spastically throwing cosmic ultra NOTHING IS THE SAME threats at the group? It's like watching someone throw a bunch of retarded puppies into a crocodile pit

The best selling point it has is really the group dynamics. As an actually justice league branch designated to deal with magical threats, this JLD is kind of an abject failure and unintentional comedy routine.

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You shouldn't be. After what Aaron did to Strange I foresee only terrible things in Clea's future even if someone else is taking the helm.

Aaron tried to imply some sort of community was there.
Just to smash it when his not!Gorr science fucks laid waste to all of Earth's magic.

Same question. I read through the Halloween special.

Oh BULLSHIT it did. Christ, why does every Nucifer writer try to shit on Carey's run? It's writer-peen inadequacy from trying to come up with a way to top it, isn't it?

I fucking swear I'll blow a fuse and write a strongly worded letter if they try to nerf the second greatest power under the Presence himself because they think it makes him more interesting like the shitty TV show. Fuck this bullshit, Hypertime justifies my headcanon.

We have this thread e v e r y d a y.

Isn't classic defenders basically just Namor and Hulk fighting between themselves while Strange and Surfer do all the work?

No we don't

Pretty much. Namor is basically Vegeta if Vegeta never settled down and married.

I enjoyed N52's Amethyst, and I fucking wish the older runs got something better than a black and white reprint. It's a magical colorful gem based world and they just leave it black and white!

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What did they even do with Amethyst? Didn't she turn into a Lord of Order somehow in the pre-Crisis era? Did that stay intact? I thought Fate's one of the few characters to come through the crises unchanged.

I've never read all of the older comics but I know there was a mini by Giffen that had her be MUCH more powerful than before, like she had become a magical deity than just a princess warrior

i'm so mad she hasn't had color reprints

It's either a magic discussion or a cosmic discussion.

This writer did interviews about how he can't top Carey's run at all, so he's just doing a different thing. Then Jim Lee declared from publisher standpoint that Sandman 75 is the last thing that happened, and that everything else is just "apocrypha"
Remiel and Duma were the lords of hell in the issue that came out this week.

>hey guys don’t talk about comic book stuff on the COMICS & Cartoons board please

I actually trust waid with clea and strange, he nailed strange so far

Bump

...are you an English teacher? How could you miss the point so fucking hard

No it’s about strange getting knocked out by physical sneak attacks

it got really annoying in the later issues

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>Nightmare’s nightmares is Strange getting tired of his shit and going ballistic
Pure kino

Wish I could get a good look at Munipoor's moons...

There needs to be a marvel magic team book, make the bad guys band together and force the good ones to respond by banding up too. There’s basically no solidarity between magic users in marvel, both with the villains and heroes. Like fuck, it’s so goddamn easy to form a team with interesting dynamics
>Strange
>Wanda
>Voodoo
>Magik
>Hellstorm
>Rotating member (Druid, Ghost Rider, Clea, Black Knight etc etc)
Strange is a decent leader, but he hasn’t been shown to really lead anything since classic Defenders

yes they fight Dormammu, Nebulon and Null the Living Darkness. Actually superheroes universes are strongly tied to Lovecraftian eldritch. Justice League of America #10 mentions Lovecraft in the Demons Three, besides publishing Conan which has been part of the Cthulhu mythos, they also have Shuma-Gorath in their lore while ago referencing Lovecraft in Doctor Strange #183 and in Doctor Strange #79-81. Over in Fawcett, there was a tongue-in-cheek homage to Lovecraft when Billy reads a book titled, The Vampire Legend by Hip Lovecraft to fight the vampire Bram Thirla.

It should be more like Marvel Team Up. Strange anchors the book and gets help fighting the villain of the month from varying cast of magic users

I would prefer an actual team book, like justice league dark. As much as I like Strange, other users need to be in the spotlight as well, and team books are better than team-up books for those

I don't want my favorite magical character spending too much time with the others

Well the book can run cocurrently with solo books. It’s not like the timeline makes sense now anyways

I just don't want her getting too chummy with them

I am so fucking glad the science=magic bullshit is gone

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>MOTM
Match of the Millennium?

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Master of the mystic arts, ya goof

>How could you miss the point so fucking hard
I got the fucking the point the first 30 times. Yes I write and this is one of the biggest writing errors I learned about my work, Tynion apparently hasn't

Wait why the fuck is Dr Strange fighting galactus

another wizard teleported Galactus into the mystic realm, Strange is there to stop him from destroying the balance of that place.

Marvel’s “mystic realm” is basically just a catch-all for all magical dimensions right?

Why doesn't Dr Strange just fight the evil wizard, how's fighting galactus going to solve anything

Is there an omnibus that collects all of New 52 animal man and swamp thing or am I stuck still buying the smaller trades for both series?

yup
i think the actual name is astral plane
>Why doesn't Dr Strange just fight the evil wizard, how's fighting galactus going to solve anything

How's fighting the wizard going to solve the fact that Galactus is in a place he is not supposed to be? You beat the wizard, and Galactus is still there. You just wasted time you could have used to avoid Galan doing too much damage

Belief, perception, and the fact that infinity is an entirely local phenomenon.

Is Zatanna's magic still not working?

Is Strange like the only major magic based hero in the marvel universe?

Like base interdimensional Wizardry sort of magic, if you were to segment the "Supernatural" type of stories from the magic umbrella like Vampire, Werewolves, the Undead and Demons from Hell sort of magic because I know a lot dabble in that side of the universe.

Strange is the only one marvel really cares about. There’s a bunch of smaller ones (Dr Druid etc) but they don’t pop up often.

He handled vampires, werewolves etc too but no that much recently.

from the top of my mind there is Satana and Hellstorm, Scarlet Witch, Loki, Clea, Wiccan, literally Merlin, Strange Magic, Brother Voodoo and ofc el Senor Magico

also Doom

Well, fuck him and the horse he road in on then. If you can't take the heat get out of the kitchen, christ why can't starving artists just leave things they have no vision for untouched

Waid's not the problem. It's the idea the line'll eventually be handed off to someone else, and the fact they hired someone like Aaron on it for a good long while.

We've gone from "fuck you, Hecate cucks your spells" to "can't use magic AT ALL or the Otherkin will assrape you".

Even though Circe is using all the magic she likes right there, in the next room over.

>these are supposed to be the progenitors of magic in the DC universe
Also how much is Tynion being carried by Alvaro?

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These designs are the only thing I like from JLD, I don't even like the concepts behind the designs.

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Can't believe they brought back Extrano.

This but unironically.

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Is Extrano confirmed to be more powerful than Jason Blood?
I heard the Lords of Order chose only the best hosts.

It's not like Marvel can sue. They're the ones who ripped off Dr Fate in the first place.

If the otherkind was just scary monsters they had to deal with then it would be fine but making them more powerful than lucifer and the source of magic makes them boring. Our heroes can't fight them in any interesting way and are just waiting for a deus ex machina to save the day.
>Is Extrano confirmed to be more powerful than Jason Blood?
Magic scaling is way too confusing to ask that question.

Doctor Strange isn't all they have, but he is pretty much all they are willing to use, and Aaron seems to be turning magic into cosmic (Strange, Thor, vampires...all diluted by his pen).

Ghost Rider seems to be a fixture at the moment, benefiting from his appearance in AOS, which seems to have actually had lasting momentum.

No such luck for Scarlet Witch, who, despite being in the MCU, barely appears in comics, and faces the danger of X-fags who want to erase her mystical lore to make her a dull satellite of Magneto, getting their way.

Brother Voodoo rarely gets to do anything and is written as a token black guy.

Magik tends to be more used in X-men stories, hemming her into a non-mystical landscape.

>If the otherkind was just scary monsters they had to deal with then it would be fine but making them more powerful than lucifer and the source of magic
Uh, I get the source of magic part with Hecate but more powerful than Lucifer? Whaaaaat?
>Magic scaling is way too confusing to ask that question.
Yeah, but is it because he is possed by a Lord of Order or because he was naturally that powerful.

>No such luck for Scarlet Witch, who, despite being in the MCU, barely appears in comics, and faces the danger of X-fags who want to erase her mystical lore to make her a dull satellite of Magneto, getting their way.

They even want her Disney+ series to be about Magneto and mutants. The people who get given everything always end up being the most selfish and demanding.

>I get the source of magic part with Hecate
I actually don't. Magic can be dangerous but it's not evil.
>more powerful than Lucifer?
Oh yeah, y'see the soup? Somehow it managed to take over all of hell.
>because he was naturally that powerful.
I guess he's a more skilled magician than Jason but he's probably not as powerful as Etrigan.

I'm still waiting for this showdown to happen.

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Why isn't Shazam/Captain Marvel in Justice League Dark? Is the power of the gods + the wizard with the rock of eternity + the wisdom of Solomon not enough to be in JL Dark?

If Shazam was in JLD than Tynion would say his magic isn't working right.

Nah he killed the First of the Fallen.
Maybe I'm wrong but did he also kill Lucifer?
Also, don't demons resurrect back in Hell?

Isn't the Wizard a ghost?
>Why isn't Shazam/Captain Marvel in Justice League Dark?
Aren't they all stuck in the Magiclands?

Maybe he just wouldn’t know what to do with him

How did Aaron try to turn magic into cosmic? Iirc he just tried to burn it all down to item use

>Wanda rejoins the Avengers between issues
>Magik & Emma vs Wanda rivalry starts, they never meet again
>Magik lying to the X-Men about Wanda being evil, never followed up on
>Havok & Polaris try to kill Vision, cut him in half, he's repaired between issues nobody ever mentions it again
>That scene where Vision catches Wanda, like it was building to something then they don't have any scenes together again for two years

AvX needed one writer working on it, not four, a lot of things were just lost or took place off-panel.

Like seriously. Shazam is magic Superman. Why can't they include him? If not him why not Mr. Mind. The worm that named the Gods.

>don't demons resurrect back in Hell?
No not this time because the otherkind are supposed to be more powerful than anyone.

Because Johns is doing his thing with them.
If they get brutally maimed by the Otherkind it wouldn't be good in his book.
I rather have Shazam deal with threats in the Magiclands comedically rather than the Grimdark JLD.
Plus Billy and the rest of his family probably wouldn't know anything about Magic aside from saying "SHAZAM!" all the time, maybe it's for the best right now.

>It's the idea the line'll eventually be handed off to someone else, and the fact they hired someone like Aaron on it for a good long while
I can just ignore it and pretend it never happened like with Aaron. Just give me some good clea/strange action whenever and I will be a happy man

>Also, don't demons resurrect back in Hell?

They only keep respawning if you're playing on the Nightmare difficulty setting.

The fuck user? That's what the Wisdom of Solomon is for and the Power of Zeus is for.

The only time Wisdom of Solomon was relevant was when it told Billy to break up with Stargirl.
I'm saying that this isn't the time for Shazam to show up in JLD, it's too... Cosmic horror-y. These books already killed a lot of Magic users and I for one would not like Billy to get eaten alive.
If it makes you feel any better he did beat the shit out of the spectre during a similar event.

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Have we ever had a fair Doom vs Strange fight?

So, make the wisdom of Solomon be relevant here. I mean WW, and most of the JL Dark members are still alive. Why must Shazam be dead?

>So, make the wisdom of Solomon be relevant here.
Wisdom of Solomon has always been confusing. It's supposed to help Billy guide himself better if I am not mistaken, not really to increase his intellect.
>I mean WW, and most of the JL Dark members are still alive.
For now, many other magic users are scattered and Magic is a bit wonky right now.

user, It's just not thematically right for them to be there. Johns is currently writing the Shazam books (to give some ideas for the next movie) and unless Tynion is really stupid enough to bring the Big Red Cheese there, I don't think he would show up.

I don't want a fucking meta explanation why he won't be there. I want the reason as to WHY he isn't there. He no matter what people say is the MAGIC SUPERMAN. When the whole magic world is in trouble he would know. Especially with the Rock of Eternity being a nexus of all magic.

Why would confusing be a problem. He can sometimes figure out random facts. Not just as a guide. So, yes he would literally increase his intellect.

Well, this is Nu-Rebirth Billy we're talking here he barely knows how the Rock even works.
>He no matter what people say is the MAGIC SUPERMAN
Yes, I GET IT.
But he doesn't have to show up in every event like this. Hell, it's only been 9 issues maybe he'll show up next Wednesday.
>When the whole magic world is in trouble he would know.
The Wizard would know and if Billy WAS still Marvel he would have done something about it.
Sure, but the Wisdom of Solomon doesn't make you Einstein. It makes you more intelligent but its main purpose is guidance, making Billy more mature.

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>No not this time because the otherkind are supposed to be more powerful than anyone.
So how did they overrun hell? Isn't Neron and Etrigan still there?

Lemire's Animal Man has a solicitation for an omnibus coming later this year/next year. Who knows if it will come out since DC seems to be scramblig their trade department up.
New 52 Swampy has a oop hardcover deluxe for Snyder's stuff, or a new reprint of it in softcover format. Nothing for the rest of it.

Bump

As bad as Justice League Dark is, that would make things worse. Magic in general is dark and it's better when it's more subtle instead if I HAVE NAGICAL SUPER STRENGHT THAT I USE TO PUNCH PEOPLE.
Shazam works best in a more lighthearted tone anyway, same for Zatanna which is why she's been a horrible character ever since JLD became a thing.

Fate should be grandiose superhero too, he doesn't belong in gritty, costly magic settings. Neither does Diana.
Constantine, blue devil, chimp, edrigan, swampy, those are your gritty magic folks.
Also, I want to say one thing for JLDark.
I like Kirk in it.

Etrigan killed Lucifer in that last miniseries he had. Stabbed him through with Excalibur.

iirc the wizard wields the combined knowledge of his planets battle mages and already made short work of Stephen, so trying to fight him again while Galactus is trying to devour magical realms is a poor idea

Fuck, I would read the shit out of a team book with that roster (as long as it’s written decently)

HEY, on a more positive note why don't I talk about my favorite part of JLD related plot? So who remembers New 52 Circe's plot during Trinity? Nobody? Good, it was stupid and trite and deserves to be forgotten. Literally "Circe lost her soul at some vague point and is throwing Justice League members into an evil pit because that will open a huge portal to Hell so she can get it back and also for poorly explained reasons she's aging now so getting her mortal soul back will help because HURPA DERP"

Anyway, Wonder Woman #56 retconned that into "Circe roleplays as a supervillain as a hobby"

Which is much better.

I...it's honestly hard to tell. The whole premise of "Silent Hill monsters are the ultimate progenitors of DC magic and current destroyers" is so preposterous everyone involved looks terrible by association.

The fuck-oh wait, I see what you mean. This twerp, right?

dc.fandom.com/wiki/Lucifer_Morningstar_(Prime_Earth)

I'm 99% sure he's Lucifer in name only for DC to keep the IP, because the Lucifer of the current Vertigoverse run looks nothing like him and they haven't referenced Etrigan killing him at all. Maybe in-universe he's a tulpa or some shit, I don't know.

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Is a Man-Thing book with a decent run too much to ask? It doesn't even need to just be him, I'd be happy with backups in something or a team book.

What kind of shit Zatanna design is this ?

Zatanna works both in light hearted books and dark. She's been in lots of dark stuff that worked before. Even if you didn't like her stuff in Hellblazer, Seven Soldiers of Victory wasn't exactly a light toned book

Same. What’s the status of him now anyways? Is his human consciousness still dormant?

Dr. Fate's best stuff wasn't very superhero. I agree about Wonder Woman.

She only briefly appeared in stuff like Swamp Thing or Hellblazer so it works because she's clearly shown to be of a different world and she briefly crosses paths with the other, darker stuff. Seven Soldiers was pretty lighthearted, in a way... at least compared to the more gritty horror magic stuff out there.

Yes

Given what the Tailors (Monitors?) are, I think it's accurate to describe Seven Soldiers as a dark story literally rewritten into a lighthearted one. By the way what's the deal with Aurakles' spear whose name is both love and vengeance? How does it work? Did it ever land?

Superhero, as in grandiose, not light hearted.

Whatever happened to the ankh?

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Probably gone when he died an actual death in secret wars or something

>By the way what's the deal with Aurakles' spear whose name is both love and vengeance? How does it work? Did it ever land?
I thought Bulleteer was a descendant of Aurakles, and she crashed through the Sheeda queen when the car flipped. Literally spearing the Queen.

Explain to me why would it make it worse? I can only see things getting better. He has the Wisdom of Solomon. Power of Zeus. Like the magic power and the wisdom to use it. If you say that he will die and all that, WW is still alive as of now and they are really pushing her to the dark magic side. What made her to not include one other top MAGICAL hero that she knows of (that is Shazam) when she was desperate for teammates. So, no. It doesn't have anything to do with suitability. It's the job of the author to make it suitable. Billy had been in books when it isn't just all lighthearted and it worked just fine. Don't bullshit me.

>It's the job of the author to make it suitable.
Listen, I don't like JLD at all but he isn't forced to use Shazam and honestly you should be glad he isn't.

>why isn't INSERT MY FAVORITE CHARACTER in the book
god, you people are insufferable. He's got his own book, just be happy about that

It says right there in the post you quoted, idiot.

It just doesn't make sense. All of the magical world is at stake and none of the Shazam characters are there? Black Adam? Mr Mind? The Wizard being mentioned? None of that? Bullshit.

Oh you mean the punch really hard is an actual reason? Clearly you know nothing about Shazam.

I don't think shared universes are for you

Man, no need to be so obsessive over Billy lol.
Just wait till next Wednesday, heck the demons three made an appearance who's to say Captain Marvel wouldn't show up?

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>It just doesn't make sense.
No you're right, JLD doesn't make sense but it's not just from the lack of shazam.