>DC allowed their films to be serious and have stakes with with a dedicated vision, raking in the money
>suddenly switch wholesale to pandering to soccer moms and kids with humor and quips upon some criticism
>Marvel allows itself to darken a little and flirt with consequences for once, suddenly drawing in all sorts of attention and tons of presales
Is anyone else noticing this trend? If Marvel rehired James Gunn, perhaps WB can rehire Zack Snyder?
But they sucked.
>DC allowed their films to be serious and have stakes
killing off a character everyone knows wont stay dead isn't stakes user
What trend are you trying to describe here?
Hey look, the faggot finally changed OP pics
>raking in the money
Wrong, almost every single MCU movie made more profit than MoS and BvS.
BvS didn't even make a billion, that isn't raking in any money for superhero standards
>Wanting Snyder back
Take your meds, user.
Yeah, funny how if you start the story lighthearted and give the audience a reason to like the characters, they'll get invested when the tone begins to take a darker turn, versus just starting the story in the middle of the darkest point and expecting the audience to somehow give a shit about characters and a setting they haven't been given a chance to even get to know, let alone like.
It's called an arc, retard. You can't start the Star Wars trilogy from The Empire Strikes Back without having A New Hope first. Marvel understood that from the start, and now DC is starting to get it.
Fuck off snyderfag
BvS was just dumb. Why the fuck did Batman have to take Superman out? Just because Superman was more powerful? Why didn't he go talk to Superman and find out what he was about instead of deciding just deciding to kill him? Why were both Superman and Batman such idiots they couldn't see wannabe Joker Lex was playing them against each other?
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>no you see, DC has bigger "stakes" because it's like darker and stuff
Snyder has only made one good movie in his career and it was 300
What stakes does DC have? Superman died and was brought back the next movie, not a single person even felt anything for his death because of the fact.
OP here.
Actually having a story and plot than going straight to zoomer humor junk food films.
Dunno who you're talking on here, retard.
First of all, Man of Steel wasn't dark, unless you're insinuating Superman is dark. Second, god forbid BvS and DC films in general actually show people reacting in wildly different ways to when superheroes and powers suddenly show up in life, as would be expected. Third, Marvel kept pumping out stories even when movies were stinkers like Hulk, Iron Men 2 and 3, and Thor 2 until people just rolled with it. Fourth, based on that, you're far more retarded.
> Why the fuck did Batman have to take Superman out? Just because Superman was more powerful?
Oh noooo god forbid people actually begin planning reasonably for something with godlike power out of the blue. Do you think everyone just wanted America to have the only nuclear missiles in the whole world and go around the Earth willy-nilly?
>Why didn't he go talk to Superman and find out what he was about instead of deciding just deciding to kill him? Why were both Superman and Batman such idiots they couldn't see wannabe Joker Lex was playing them against each other?
Because Batman couldn't see Superman's fundamental humanity until the very last moment. Watch the film.
They literally advertise his coming back to life in the same movie he dies, with the disturbance at his grave. Like even Snyder knew that no one was buying Superman's perma-death in only the second movie.
This thread is such a falseflag
Oh hey look, its the super-autist. Oh joy.
>thinking the dark/light tone in the movies was ever the issue
Maybe, just MAYBE, the problem was the horrible writing and the worse CGI.
>BvS was just dumb. Why the fuck did Batman have to take Superman out? Just because Superman was more powerful? Why didn't he go talk to Superman and find out what he was about instead of deciding just deciding to kill him? Why were both Superman and Batman such idiots they couldn't see wannabe Joker Lex was playing them against each other?
BECAUSE IF THERE'S EVEN A 1% CHANCE THAT AN ALIEN'S MOM IS NAMED MARTHA THEN BRUCE WAYNE HAS TO SUCK HIM OFF ON THE STEPS OF THE OLD GOTHAM COURTHOUSE
DO YOU NOT EVEN READ TOWN CHARTERS YOU FUCK
>First of all, Man of Steel wasn't dark, unless you're insinuating Superman is dark.
Snyder's Superman IS dark. That's his whole point.
>Second, god forbid BvS and DC films in general actually show people reacting in wildly different ways to when superheroes and powers suddenly show up in life, as would be expected.
Putting aside the fact that Snyder simply does not have the writing talent to pull off the whole "but how would people REALLY react to superheroes IN REAL LIFE REALISTICALLY???" wannabe Watchmen thing (which is why his movies failed), you can't reasonably expect an audience to car about how the fictional people are reacting to the plot when they themselves don't care about the plot.
>Third, Marvel kept pumping out stories even when movies were stinkers like Hulk, Iron Men 2 and 3, and Thor 2 until people just rolled with it.
None of those movies had a tone as dark as MoS, BvS or JL. Not arguing that they're quality movies or anything, they're definitely some of the MCU's weaker links, but even they still adhere to what has more or less become the studio's house style- raise the stakes, but keep it light.
>Everyone says that about "Batman Begins." "Batman's dark." I'm like, "Okay, no, Batman's cool." He gets to go to a Tibetan monastery and be trained by ninjas. Okay? I want to do that. But he doesn't, like, get raped in prison. That could happen in my movie. If you want to talk about dark, that's how that would go.
>First of all, Man of Steel wasn't dark, unless you're insinuating Superman is dark.
Man of Autism is only a Superman story in the broadest sense, like Brightburn or Hancock.
>Second, god forbid BvS and DC films in general actually show people reacting in wildly different ways to when superheroes and powers suddenly show up in life, as would be expected.
But this is actually addressed in X-Men movies, Kick-Ass, Spawn and a mess of other movies. And better, too. Superman isn't supposed to be controversial and divisive.
>Third, Marvel kept pumping out stories even when movies were stinkers like Hulk, Iron Men 2 and 3, and Thor 2 until people just rolled with it.
All the movies you listed are easily better than BvS. And the worst of them are equal to Man of Steel.
>Fourth, based on that, you're far more retarded.
Not the guy you're responding to here, but you do this in so many threads I have to assume you're deranged or damaged.
lol looks like someone's god of war machinima
Stakes is faggotspeak for high body count.
Nice try, but no. You see me debating. Sorry it's not fitting into your narrative.
>Snyder's Superman IS dark. That's his whole point.
And he was going to become the symbol of hope in any event, because he is Superman.
>Putting aside the fact that Snyder simply does not have the writing talent to pull off the whole "but how would people REALLY react to superheroes IN REAL LIFE REALISTICALLY???" wannabe Watchmen thing (which is why his movies failed), you can't reasonably expect an audience to car about how the fictional people are reacting to the plot when they themselves don't care about the plot.
First, it's debatable on Snyder's talent - he's clearly got some or else he wouldn't be hired in the first place. Second, it's applicable, Watchmen was part of DC's canon as well, it's not wrong to apply such things to other parts of the canon. Finally, the plot isn't....that hard to figure out?
>Man of Autism is only a Superman story in the broadest sense, like Brightburn or Hancock.
I see Superman in it, retard.
>But this is actually addressed in X-Men movies, Kick-Ass, Spawn and a mess of other movies. And better, too. Superman isn't supposed to be controversial and divisive.
What's wrong with DC characters addressing it? If you saw a guy in a cape flying about with limitless power would you immediately assume he's a superhero?
>All the movies you listed are easily better than BvS. And the worst of them are equal to Man of Steel.
Very debatable, very debatable.
>Not the guy you're responding to here, but you do this in so many threads I have to assume you're deranged or damaged.
No, I'm just going against Yea Forums's newfound reddit hivemind, so it seems.
The writing was good and the CGI was only bad because that fuckboy Whedon blew all the money on reshoots
But the CGI is pretty bad in BvS as well.
Before we go any further, how come no one ever talks about Marvel's CG being trash? Why is it only an issue when DC does it?
Not that user but if your standard for CGI is Jackson's King Kong then it's too high.
The film was fine, I don't know why OP is trying to validate his opinion in this board of all places.
You're not looking hard enough.
I'm sad about Endgame pulling time-travel when that's what Snyder was originally going to do in his Justice League movies. It's like the Russos are constantly trying to one up Snyder just to be smug about it.
Batman hit Superman with a sink.
Nigga hit the man of steel with porciline. BvS, Justice League, and Suicide Squad are just plain unwatchable shit.
Look man, I enjoyed the movies well enough and they had great action scenes but firing Snyder was 100% the right move.
>And he was going to become the symbol of hope in any event, because he is Superman.
Then maybe do that part BEFORE killing him off? Again, these movies are trying to jump to the center of the arc without any of the buildup, because Snyder has it in his head that the darkness of the middle of the arc is what makes it compelling- what he doesn't grasp is that the darkness is compelling because the journey that brought us there made us care about the characters having to endure the darkness.
>First, it's debatable on Snyder's talent - he's clearly got some or else he wouldn't be hired in the first place.
He's no long hired, he's been fired from the DCEU for his repeated and costly failures.
>Second, it's applicable, Watchmen was part of DC's canon as well, it's not wrong to apply such things to other parts of the canon.
It's not wrong, and it can even be done well, if the right writer is behind it. Snyder isn't that writer.
>Finally, the plot isn't....that hard to figure out?
It's not that it's hard to figure out, it's that the audience didn't like it. As I mentioned above, Snyder doesn't do the legwork, and it shows in how audiences respond to his movies- or rather, how they DON'T respond. They don't resonate with viewers because he hasn't actually tried to give them something with which to resonate... He just jumped right ahead to the darkest part of the story and expected everyone to roll with it.
You said in your OP that Marvel is only now starting to take a darker turn, and that's true- people are taking it seriously and responding with excitement because this darker turn comes at the tale end of TEN YEARS of buildup. Yes, that's a lot of work, but laying a solid foundation usually pays off.
>rehire Zack Snyder
Hee hee haw ho ho ho...Firing this inferior creature was only the first part of the plan. Haw haw haw!
>>Second, god forbid BvS and DC films in general actually show people reacting in wildly different ways to when superheroes and powers suddenly show up in life, as would be expected.
This argument kills me because its what I was most excited about in BvS. They had the perfect oppurtunity to explore that theme set up as well.
Then before anyone spoke a single line of dialog that would explore the deep fears and hopes of those standing next to a god that is humbly answering to those fears and hopes in public...that scene is stolen by!!!
A jar of piss. Then the wheelchair that was holding in a fart fucking explodes, and mercy (who I only knew was mercy from imdb) died and I realized, Im watching a fucking comedy disguised as a tragedy.
Reminder that Zack Snyder wanted there to be a MoS sequel and a Batman solo movie before BvS, reminder that Snyder didn't want the JL cameos in JL, reminder that Snyder wanted there to be solo movies for the other characters before JL. Reminder that everything people blame him for are actually the fault of executives.
Lex stealing Superman's opportunity to speak makes fucking sense.
OP here.
Truth comes out, finally! Thank you.
What your argument boils down to is that things take time and whine whine Snyder. His films made money and how mysterious, when he's fired, Justice League falters with Whedon's direct intervention and Captain Marvel falls flat, while the still Snyder-influenced Aquaman and Wonder Woman make bank. It's not hard to see that keeping things consistent and not pandering to zoomerbux helped a lot.
See second person.
More like not looking at all
Everyone does, everyone acknowlege terrible cgi in cap marvel and black panther
It should be common knowledge that WB started shitting their pants trying to crank out Justice League as fast as possible. That had nothing to do with Zack. And you know what? He still had a decent plan for it before his daughter passed
Fuck, people blame Snyder for the failure of the DCEU because he "tried to jump the gun", but then ask yourself why the fuck did they hire Geoff Johns too. Because Johns fought for the same thing. Both Snyder and Johns thought the executives were being stupid in trying to rush everything. They both fought Hamada. They both got fired.
>Reminder that everything people blame him for are actually the fault of executives.
So you're telling me that "executives" made Luthor a sniveling parody of Mark Zuckerberg popping ranchers into guys mouths and planting piss-jars for irony? Executives that made Pa Kent a borderline sociopath? Bruce a chain-gun wielding kill-happy madman? He was going to make Dark Superman be a villain for at least an entire film and part of another one.
Snyder's films are just as full of dopey, contrived plot elements as the rest of the genre, but they aren't any FUN, just unintentionally silly.
>First, it's debatable on Snyder's talent - he's clearly got some or else he wouldn't be hired in the first place.
And the fact that his wife is a producer and they put up their own money doesn't matter at all.
Those things you mentioned were great, though. AND some of it are based on old scripts.
The mouse is a sneaky jew, that is all. Look at SW for reference.
My guy, there was nothing wrong with Eisenberg's Luthor in concept. He may be more wimpy and less imposing, but he's still a twisted scientist with a psychotic hatred of Superman and that's all he needs.
>Snyder fags actually believe this
It's just sad at this point and I don't think you guys can get any sadder.
>perhaps WB can rehire Zack Snyder?
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
>tl;dr: Yea Forums is still salty about BvS
>>Marvel allows itself to darken a little
lol, he got tricked again the fucking idiot
>snyderfags out here trying to rewrite history again
Those things WEREN'T great at all.
OP is probably one of those faggots on twitter who spam out all those RELEASE THE SNYDER CUT messages every time a DC account posts anything.
Shazam was fantastic, cope