Varian from Tangled

I doubt it. He almost killed her in season 1.

The show still has much better villain twists than most of the Disney/Pixar movies.

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True, but "enemy of my enemy" is pretty common to pull off. They both have vendettas against Raps after all. Also Varian did wanna fug her. And when the midseason finale happens, Varian gets his redemption bait when Cass leaves Varian for dead in some chatoic situation and Raps rescues him

>Tangled thread
You guys never told me if you liked my story or not
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Rapunzel was too much of a pleaser to see Varian again after breaking her promise to him. The show isn't talking down to the audience by explicitly stating it was her fault, but it's made pretty clear that it was.

They're lifting characterisations from Spider-man to get there.
>mfw you knew this was coming, Raps!

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>The power of the moon, in the palm of my hand!

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this desu

>Raps reaction was very normal in human standard and nobody is perfect
I am not blaming rap for having issues taking decision afterward. I am saying checking on Varian was a complete no-decision to do. And if not for raps, her friends, Cass and Eugene would have. Like I said, it's bad writing to have a villain origin.

>after breaking her promise to him.
She didn't break any promise she made to him. The thing is, she didn't made a promise in the first place he told him she couldn't help him, which was the right decision. Varian was angry precisely because she told him she couldn't do it. Not because of a broken promise.

And her being a promise would mean the in-character thing to do would have been to check on Varian right after the snow storm emergency was over.

Imagine you're you. Except everything you've done in your life, every aspect of your personality, every interaction with a so-called "loved one", every thought you had is actually just a mask. In reality you're just a mass of cells and blood and bones automated by some dark destiny. A bacterium designed entirely to fit into the system of this reality. A monarchy where the princess is destined to become queen, and everything you are is just a mechanism to that end. Your friendships, your persona, your sexuality. All of these things are deceptions placed on you to better animate your pathetic excuse of an unlife.
And one moment, you are able to strip these shackles away. Take control. Become a real being, not just some pathetic co-organism pretending to be a person. Do you just let it slip?
Without all these rules of the monarchy, all these civilized characters... they'd eat each other. And they'd cast the princess out, like a witch.
You see, Cassandra isn't a monster. She's just ahead of the curve.

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>she didn't make a promise
But she explicitly did.

>I used to think my life was a tragedy...
>But now I realize...
>It's a comedy!
Is Cass a gamer?

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It is sort of forced, but in a way that still feels enjoyable to watch. Plus he has arguably the best songs in the first season so there's that.

You should re-read what Raps promised Varian. Raps' promise is saying she will help Varian to figure out the mystery of the rocks when her parents are back. The timing and circumstance of Varian's request is obviously not fitting with her promise.

We haven't had a good autist creep Didney villain since Frollo, so Varian is fun to watch.
And she still didn't help when they came back.

I seem to remember Cassandra saying Varian had gone missing at one point, but I can't find it so I'm not sure if I'm just imagining that

Cause they have more time to set up the characters and their motivations

Me too, I swear she did. But I don't have the time to rewatch a ton of season 1 just to find out.

Indeed, in fact a very dank one

So that's why I usually hate villain twist in a theatre movie because there is no enough screentime to build-up their motivation and it wastes the characterization.

Her exact words were:
>Just give me until my father returns. Everything is going to be okay. I promise.
Everything wasn't okay. By the time her father returned she'd saved Corona from the snowstorm, but also abandoned Varian. You really think something as pathetic as a technicality is going to matter to either of them? As far as they both care, she broke her promise. And that's why she couldn't get enough courage to seek him out in person. And by then he'd gone missing due to being ostracized for allegedly harassing the princess.

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Rapunzel's promise is about they will work together to discover the mystery of black rocks when she has her time, but the storm things and Varian encasing his father in the amber by his reckless experiment are out of the range.

You might be autistic. There's no such thing as range for "Everything is going to be okay." Do yourself a favor and stick to legal contracts if this is your idea of a promise.

>Everything is going to be okay
It is just a very common words to comfort the people, and Raps shouldn't account for Varian's stupid experiment to encase his father.

>Raps shouldn't account for Varian's stupid experiment to encase his father.
That's your opinion. Your struggle with the idea that she's in-character for having considered her decision an act of failing Varian is nothing but evidence of your own feebleness.

It's not bad. Really liked the "dark is not evil" bit about the moonstone

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You know, it makes sense for Cassandra to hold the Moonstone. She and Rapunzel are opposites.

Reminder that Cassandra knows Rapunzel's weak spot!

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Rapunzel is a bright, optimist wunderkind with a loving family, passionate lover, and a destiny literally written in the stars.

Cassandra is a gloomy cynic who's had to work hard for her talent, stiff relationship with her adoptive father, no blonde waifu to keep her warm, who knows that the only way she'll find her destiny is if she goes out and gets it.

Rapunzel was born with power.
Cassandra aquired hers.

Even their parental figures are opposite. Gothel was sweet to hide her cruelty. Captain was cold to hide his affection.

Demanitus was betrayed by his three pupils. If it goes parallel, does it mean Rapunzel will face her third betrayal?

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GODDAMNIT WHY IS THERE SO MUCH POTTERY AND KINO IN THIS BABY CARTOON? WHO IS THE AUDIENCE?

Rapunzel will betray Rapunzel.

We are.
That's why they're playing it cool for now, so that they can release S3 uncontested, and then it will be a LOT of sex scenes and bloodthirsty battles and evangelion transformations.
The finale will be Eugene, Rapunzel and Cassandra making love in a magic Lancelot-Arthur-Genevieve threesome for 44 minutes rendered in ultra high definition and each frame showing the glistening sweat on their bodies and the articulation of their muscles and the shuddering, quivering spasms of orgasms on their sex parts and nipples.

Well with Cassandra full Griffith the party now consists of

Rapunzel
Eugene
Lance
Adira
Edmund

And Shorty and the animals

Who's the next person Rapunzel's gonna JUST into evil's grasp

Clearly it'll be the dark horse Fidella

I predict Lance will betray her, either that or somehow be taken out of the picture because he, Varian, Cas and Hookfoot didn't appear in the Ever After

No. Fridella will try to confront Cassandra in the first episode of season 1, and Cassandra will carve the poor horse's head off and replace it with a rock golem body snatcher. Then she will ride this new abomination as an evil destroyer knight.

There is two possible scenarios what Cass watched behind the door of the shell house to cause her betrayal:

1. (negative motivation)
Cass saw the alternative future that Raps was never rescued from the tower. Cass doesn't need to be a lady-in-waiting so she can achieve her dream to be a royal guard, but after Rapunzel's return to Corona, Cass has to drop everything help Raps to find her destiny. The great tree episode is the turning point that her right hand was withered by Raps' decay spell and her wound is getting worse under the armor. Raps will still get all the glory and praise after she successfully fulfills her destiny but Cass will get nothing but her wounded arm. She felt Raps' destiny ruined her future and she's getting more envious. Finally she decided to take back her destiny which she deserves.

I still don't get why Disney decided to go for twist villains instead of having from the start

Rapunzel is the worst friend to have because she's not inherently malevolent. She's selfish and ignorant of other people's emotions. Traits all sociopaths possess. Varian and Cassandra chose to help her out of their own goodness, traits that Rapunzel exploited for her own benefit while completely unaware of how much it was costing them to care for her.

That's why they couldn't tell her how much of a jerk she is to her face, they felt guilty due to her upbringing so they kept helping her, all while piling up resentment every time she let them down.

Since they were guilt tripped into accepting she wasn't at fault, the anger built up until they exploded and drove them both to insanity. Meanwhile Rapunzel went on her merry way to pursue whatever picks her fancy.

To reach her destiny, she will gladly step on the corpses of her followers, using them to build a stairway to her dream. She will offer her friends and lover to unspeakable horrors on a whim, all while keeping that smile on her face.

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>Family of huge burly people
>Literally too big for you
>Gets a twink of a son
What went right?

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Eugene's mom was petite.

If only. I still want my rendition of the Red Wedding.

Eugene: Corona sends its regards.

Wish they released an adult version of the story like they did with Frozen's "Frozen Heart" novel so they could show the more complex characterization and plots without having to dumb them down for the kiddos.

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As the door shut behind her, Cassandra took in her surroundings. She stood at the entrance to Lost Lagoon.
'Great' she thought, 'Another illusion.'
As she ventured into the cove, she heard splashing and giggling. She stopped as her foot caught something. A discarded violet dress.
Rapunzel splashed in the shallows, all grins and giggles. She lit up when she saw Cass and charged over to her, shamelessly nude.
"There you are Cass!" She beamed, taking Cass' withered hand. "The water is SO lovely!"
"I-I can't," Cass stammered, her face turning red as she turned away.
"You can't swim? Don't worry, I'll teach you," Rapunzel crooned as she pawed at Cass' shirt. "Let's get this off so it doesn't get WET!"
"Rapunzel, no! St-stop it! You're... YOU AREN'T REAL!"
Rapunzel froze and dropped her hands from Cass's shirt. Slowly, her expression unreadable, she leaned in and softly, so softly kissed her cheek. Her warm breath tickled her ear as she whispered.
"You're a sharp one. I like that,"

Suddenly, Cass was in the palace kitchen, mountains of dirty dishes in front of her. Her shirt was still wet from Rap's hands.
"Cassandra, what are you doing?" Old Lady Crowley voice interrupted her thoughts. "You can't wash dishes with that hand of yours!"
"What? Don't try to trick me, I know you're not-"
"Hush, we've already established that. I'll wash, you dry." She pulled up a stool and put her hands in the suds. Cass robotically picked up a towel.
"Who are you?" She demanded, with all the force she could muster as she wiped a plate she was handed. It the finest china. The Coronation china.
"There are so many names," Crowley mused as she polished a stubborn spot on a salad fork. "But Xhan Tiri will suffice. What is it you want, Cassandra?"
"What?"
"What is it you want out of life? Love, respect, power? Everybody wants something," she crooned as she pulled a sword out of the foam. "I'll dry this one Cass, Lord knows you can't handle swords anymore."

Cont

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2. (positive motivation)
Cass saw the "future" of Raps touching the moonstone in Dark Kingdom and the outcome is disastrous. Raps is mind-corrupted by the moonstone and becomes villainous and has unstoppable power to destroy the lands given that she would acquire the mix of sun and moon ultimate power. Cass doesn't trust Adira from the start so it makes her believe in the destiny of Raps could be a lie. In "Beyond the Corona Walls", she promised the King to keep Raps safe anytime, but Raps' curiosity to the new world did put the group in danger several times (Freebirds, reading the decay spell, entering the shell house) so she can't let Raps take the risk to touch the moonstone this time. Cass knows Raps is determined to fulfill her destiny and she is not confident to convince Raps to give it up because Raps starts to have more her own decisions. Cass chose to sacrifice herself by a noble betrayal in the last minute to fulfill her destiny: protecting Raps from danger by any measure.

Cass shook her head clear and saw the dimly lit armory. Her father stood at attention, staring straight ahead.
"Try the bastard sword," he demanded, not even looking as she pathetically try to swing it. Her withered hand had no strength, her healthy one no finesse. She'd seen peasants shovel pig shit with more grace. "Try the hand-and-a half, the rapier, the claymore, mace, flail, axe, shortsword!" He rattled off everything in the armory.
"I can't," she croaked hoarsely. She felt her eyes burn.
"Try the dagger then," he sneered, his features taking on Fitzherbert's. "That's a woman's weapon. Though I can't tell if you wanna put it in Blondie's back or cut her out of her clothes with it!"

She was back with the caravan, they'd stopped for the night. Fitzherbert and Raps cuddled sickeningly by the fire.
"Envy is a green-eyed monster Cass. All the monsters in your life have green eyes, don't they?" Shorty burbled as he sat up from the dirt.
"I'm not jealous of them!" she spat, turning away from them. They were doing a lot more than cuddling now. She put her hands over her ears to drown out the sounds they made.
"That's not what I said."Shorty slurred, stumbling to sit next to her. Envy is wanting what others have. Jealousy is having something and being afraid to lose it. And you... have nothing to lose."

Cont...

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She was at the Alchemist's shack. Quirin's amber sarcophagus was bright green instead of gold, bathing the room in a sickly glow.
"Come on Cass, tell me one way she hasn't let you down!" Varian tutted from atop his father's tomb. "She breaks your heart every day, she ratted you out to EUGENE, she dragged away from your destiny to follow her own," he counted off his withered, blackened fingers. "She'd rather trust the oh so cool Adira than her best friend, and last but not least!" He leapt down from his perch and stalked towards her.

"She crippled you, burnt you, ruined you forever with evil magic. She stole any hope of being a warrior right from your very fingers." Cassandra sunk to her knees and fought back tears. "From the moment she entered your life she has given you nothing but grief. Nothing but heartbreak."
"Why are you telling me this!?" She snarled at him. "If you expect I'll betray her-"
I EXPECT NOTHING, the voice echoed, shattering the illusion and leaving her in a dark void. "Cass wept and looked at her withered rotted hand with shuddering hatred. BUT KNOW THIS. THE SUNDROP ISNT THE ONLY FORCE THAT CAN ACHIEVE MIRACLES.

Cass caught her breath as her hand burned with a green light. She flexed her fingers and found they moved with an unfamiliar strength.

JUST SOMETHING TO THINK ABOUT. NOW GO. YOUR FRIENDS ARE EXPECTING YOU CASSANDRA

Dimly, her restored hand felt a knob in it. Turning it, she opened the door and stepped out into the Sunlight

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GoT is shit for manchildren playing at adulthood. Just because this show should have sex and violence doesn't mean it should be like GoT, it should be much better.

It's just an example. Mostly I'd like for the series to have real stakes, for example having the threat of characters dying for real, and plots having to be solved across some episodes instead of ending after 5 minutes of talking with a pet like Eugene in Destinies Collide.

The series has the potential for so much more, the lore is great, the characters are entertaining. But the plot is limited on what content it can have.

>It's just an example.
It's not just an example, you quote the same line and reference the Red Wedding for several threads now. It's starting to become rancid.

So what? It'd be fun to have a red wedding plot in tangled. Plus a war with Arendelle.

Dude, he didn't "talk with a pet," he had a heart to heart with Pascal. A sapient nonverbal chameleon who's known Rapunzel longer than anyone, and more importantly-

He knows what it's like to lose a mother.

Pascal and Max might be nonverbal comic relief, but they're still characters. Have some respect.

Since the issue dealt with Rapunzel herself, he should have talked directly to her like an adult and make up (and also make out) as a couple, not with her pet.

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>So what?
So it's shit, that's what. Serious political intrigue and wars and assassinations is shit. When things get serious should be in the heroic epic conflicts with unity, duty and destiny not because someone's cousin had inbreds with someone's stepmother and layer of a juvenile interpretation of Machiavelli.

What should the opening theme of S3 be?

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I still don't see much of a similarity between Griffith and Cassandra other than the betrayal. Griffith was a charismatic leader that was born attractive and became an effective mercenary with the respect of an entire group of warriors. Cassandra never even had any of that. She had to work for the few privileges that she got, got continuously undermined by a tougher warrior, then Rapunzel reminded her that she was her employer first and a friend second. Her attempt to override Rapunzel, who by all accounts shouldn't know what the fuck she's doing, also resulted in her losing her hand. Then she finds out that Eugene isn't a poor orphan, but a lost prince. She, meanwhile, will forever be their crippled servant girl that no one will listen to or rely on.

>Literally says "Now it's time to RISE UP" in "Ready as I'll ever be"
It was in front of us the whole time

Friendly reminder Rapunzel's mother was saved by the sundrop while Eugene's mother died because of the moonstone.

Destiny is shit too if it's badly executed. If it has rich lore and it's well developed, you can get some Tolkien level story but badly written you end up with some op main character and his harem with a mediocre plotline you already know its ending from a mile away.

An adult version of the story could add more depth to the characters and make them more interesting by building sides with good reasons for their actions.

>An adult version of the story
So very much so not GoT or the Red Wedding.

now imagine if Rapunzel loses her father to one while Eugene's is saved by one

Then Rap's mom and King Edmund get together for massive sheningans.

>Have some respect.
It's a cartoon chameleon from a Disney movie.

This series feels like the showrunners had these great ideas in mind and someone else neutered them. Eugene's solo is extremely dramatic, but there's no lead-up to it and the issue gets solved by a one-sided conversation with a nonverbal character in a superficial, "What, Lassie? You said there's a kid in the burning barn? way. The song itself makes no sense because the identity crisis hasn't really been pushed as an issue, and being like "lol Eugene is a drama queen" isn't really an excuse. There's always the feeling that something was cut or rushed. This show is cheating itself.

Then they both betray their children and have to be euthanized.
Then Rapunzel has to go back in time to kill Cassandra before she shows the black rocks.
Then Eugene never existed.

Because Cassandra is not Griffith, Rapunzel is. She had everything handed to her and she is sacrificing everyone's happiness for the sake of her destiny. First she drove Varian to insanity and now crippled Cassandra, breaking her too. Next up is Eugene and in the fated hour after she has ripped the moonstone straight from Cassandra's heart, she will stand atop her corpse and utter the words:

"I offer everyone"

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Because Eugene was never born Rap never left the tower-

I've never watched the show but I like these threads. They have the same half true feeling as the 'Discuss X that doesn't exist' threads on boards like /tg/

Giving Eugene more REAL angst about his heritage and family was a really good choice but you could also stand to find a way to make some sequences more snappy as a few can feel like they drag

Can you stop posting the same shit every thread? Get new material

But does she mindreak anyone through rape?
This is an important question

God that face of confusion and heartbreak on Raps makes my dick harder than Adira's sword

I blame lack of proper Dark Kingdom cuisine and not murdering anyone who tries to touch the stone

>tfw I was going to ask the same thing

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After King Edmund's bear attire I've wanted a Tangled x Brave crossover. Shame it'll never happen.

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>tfw you'll never be put on all fours by Moonqueen Rapunzel and sodomized in front of your party while you ahegao to their screams as they get butchered alive
why even live

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In this case it's a mix because we've had villains from the outset: Caine, Zhan Tiri, The Baron, etc

While other characters have BECOME antagonistic, that's different from having your villain be pretending to be a good guy the whole time only to suddenly reveal they were evil all along

But of course! The most obvious answer is Eugene but she may go for Lance or someone else for maximum suffering.

Eugene is literally a DYEL

Get him some protons and a resistance program instead of putting all his points into agility and charisma and he'll be yoked in no time

Same as it's always been. There's no real reason to change it up

Constantly

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Nigga this is a baby show that airs at 7 am

It's really good but it's not fucking Downton Abbey

do you think Adira knew who he was?

Reminder that Lance routinely hits on a 50-60 year old woman.

>Edmund
Edmund is gonna be killed faster than you can say Wedding invitation.

don't judge the man's tastes, he's an orphan, he probably has severe mommy issues.

Can't rape the willing.

best case scenario she's 43 if she was 18 when shit went down.

None of the Brotherhood seems like they aged a single day 2bh.

IMAGINE

that could be because of the art style, Fredrick looks much younger in the series than he was in the movie when Rapunzel came back.

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I wanna bully her and lick the tears off her face

We all thought the moon stone song was the second verse but it turns out it's a duet.

No! Rapunzel is mine to bully!

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Or Moonstone radiation keeps them young.

Also new name for the black rocks.

Moon Rocks.

Moon men make up approximately 13% of Corona's population while they commit 52% of crime

Use this

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Stay back, bullies

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>What did you do to her?
>I did what you failed to do. I was there for her. Rapunzel and I, we understand each other.
>She doesn't know what you are.
>Eugene... She knows me very well. And when she kissed me, it was just like when she used to kiss me. That taste... Dimberries.

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WHAT HAPPENED BEHIND THAT FUCKING DOOOOOOOOOR

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She saw a nightmare world where Rapunzel wouldn't hold her anymore and lost the last vestiges of her humanity.

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saw the moment when Gothel abandoned her to go kidnap Rapunzel, realized Blondie had not only crippled and deprive her from achieving her dreams but also stole her childhood. She decided she had had enough and it was time to take her destiny into her own hands.

Here is some analysis. I still buy the theory that Cass has her own standpoints to set up the betrayal rather than she's possessed or manipulated. Because it can enrich the characterization.

I'd like to think even as much of a jackass Cassandra can be she'd still recognize that Gothel was a HORRIBLE person and that she ultimately turned out better being raised by the Captain

Not if Cassandra IS Gothel in a state of hypnotic sleeper agent trance.

me too user, but anger makes people do stupid shit. Still, whatever the reason I have high confidence in the show runners to not be some stupid reason like lol possessed.

Weren't Moon Men against...wait a second

Guys I'm sorry to be a bother but can anyone link me the thread of the initial reaction to the s2 finale? I can't find it but I'm dying to read it

DANCING IN THE MOONLIGHT

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She killed millions

EVERYBODY DANCING

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Episode seems to actually begin airing around this time desuarchive.org/co/thread/106962680/#q107002351

then following desuarchive.org/co/thread/107004528/

and desuarchive.org/co/thread/107023580/#q107025987

These seem to be the first three and most contiguous

Omg god bless you user, really I don't know how to thank you!!
It's not much but have a shitty gif I made

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>Evil Death Magic Cass judging someone else for their betrayal

God knows what's going on with her but that'd be pretty hypocritical, maybe. If their goals align I don't know if she'd care. Unlike Cass Varian had sympathetic or understandable reasons for turning traitor and basically flipping out and having an emotional and mental breakdown which is why he attacked them. Evil Cass so far is just "lol, psyche!"

But you know what, it is really damn hard to discuss what she'll do now by not knowing why she's doing this. There is shit Cass knows and we don't.

How old is Adira supposed to be? She looked exactly the same when she left with Quirin, but only he visibly aged.

Adira could be anywhere between 40 to 60 years old. Makeup, costume and natural white hair help cover her age.

Pascal has proved himself as a prominent character and has every right to be on equal standing as the human characters. He's much more developed than the horses or the owl. The rest I agree with you on.
>feeling that the show was rushed or cut
I feel this too. This finale is obvious but I first noticed this when the season 2 songs got released and it turned out the song for the bird episode was supposed to be a couple lines longer. Paired with its rushed ending it's obvious they had too many ideas to work with. It really feels like season 2 wanted to deal with more complex themes and stories compared to 1, and I do find it disappointing that the show is limited by SOMETHING. The only other time things felt rushes I can think of off the top of my head is the transition to Ready as I'll ever be, but unlike Eugene's solo everything made enought sense for it to be set up. If anything it's more like an actual surprise because I wasn't expecting it but it made so much sense.

So, about Cassandra's "betrayal" ... is it really her or a usurper?

Time, budget, ratings

It’s always something

And Asians age gracefully

>I do find it disappointing that the show is limited by SOMETHING

It's kind of sold as being a Bratz tier girly show for very young girls but somehow wound up with tons of backstabbing and DEEPEST LORE along with God-tier Menken songs. The parts where it goes off those safe rails and is kind of fucked up for a "friendship is good and niceness is good!" little girls' show is where it's most interesting but they have to reign that in sometimes.

I'm not saying that the show made a mistake but I saw a few younger kids saying they burst into tears when Cassandra betrayed Rapunzel or parents saying their kids did in online reactions to this episode. If besides this you just watch Dora the Explorer it is a little intense.

This show could have unironically been the Spiderman TAS of the current generation, along with evaporating clone Eugene after marriage and ending on a cliffhanger to find the real Eugene.

>I saw a few younger kids saying they burst into tears when Cassandra betrayed Rapunzel or parents saying their kids did in online reactions to this episode.
HOLY FUCKING BASED
I miss the era of kids movies in the 80s or 90s when you could just traumatize or scare the shit out of them and get away with it. The fact they have to wait till late this year to find out is even more hilarious.

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Mouse Priest: Hey guys, how's the Tangled show going? What's on the plate for season 2?

Based Crew: Man, we got a shitload! We got new locations, new costumes, new characters, new lore, new monsters, new songs. It's gonna be really cool. (We also slipped in a little fan service for the loyal fans, you know what I'm saying... nothing explicit, but you know)

Mouse Priest: The City, Island, and Haunted House Locations look really cool. Make sure you spend at least three episodes in each one.

Based Crew: But... but we've got a plan for this season to develop Eugene and Cassandra some more. We were even gonna have an episode where Eugene has some angst about his past and lack of identity, and how his new persona pretty mucb revolves around mooching off Rapunzel, which would lead up to a big reveal and song in the season finale.

Mouse Priest: Fuck all that. Put a band-aid on the conflict after the song. Deal with it next season. Scrap the Flynn episode and do a prison break episode with childish morals. Kids like that.

Based Crew:His name is Eugene, and we already did a prison break episode. We like the mature direction this show has taken, we don't need simple morals.

Mouse Priest: Well you air at 7 am, so you deal with morals about sharing and honesty.

Based Crew: Sir about the timeslot

Mouse Priest: HUH-HUH DO WE HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THE TIMESLOT?

Based Crew: n- no sir...

Mouse Priest: What about that Varian kid? He scored good with fags and women.

Based Crew: We're saving him for later, but we still... "take issue" with removing the scene where he rejects all of Rapunzel's attempts to reach out to him after Queen For A Day

Mouse Priest: Well yeah? A Disney Princess admitting she fucked up? Not in my lifetime. Now get back to work. I'm gonna go talk to the Jews in Projections and figure out why this show doesn't make any money.

Having friends turn on you is a big kid fear that also comes true because kids are jerks. Older fans already knew this would happen with Cass but for kids, maybe they thought the "traitor" prophecy would turn out to be a wacky misunderstanding. And Cassandra was a good character and friend for years in real time without the slow build up to turning "bad" that Varian had. It's not like all the new Disney movie villain "twists" because you get to know and like the characters over a long period of time first, not just a movie.

I saw some jokes that Disney is telling kids they shouldn't ever trust anyone.

Only the real Cassandra would remember she told Rapunzel to be careful who she trusts.

Well, she was not in the wedding short, so we have to get rid of her.

How WAS Cassandra able to grab the moonstone in the first place? The king had already tried and failed, so something must be different now, and what I think that is is that Cassandra, being weak mentally and physically after all that happened, got possessed by Zhan Tiri or one of his followers inside the door, which makes her able to sustain the power of the stone, but probably not for long since she's still human.

Cass is a shit character

She'd already been Touched by Moonlight when she burnt her hand

>implying
Your memories are stored in the brain, if something eats your brain and replaces it it will remember what you remembered.
Or was right and there never was a real Cassandra. Because there really isn't.

It floated out of that thing when Rapunzel approached. Cassandra probably needed Rapunzel to get near it before she could safely grab it.

Her withered hand, hello?

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>I'm gonna go talk to the Jews in Projections and figure out why this show doesn't make any money.
Was good up to this point.
The Mouse hasn't been trying to make money for the last few years.

>Varian and Cassandra make use of that Cassandrium stuff and we find out what it does
>or Cassandrium is what ends up doing Evil!Cass in

Edmund tried when it was still protecting itself and the stone lashed out

The presence of the sundrop caused it to lower its defenses

some more evil cass concept art

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she's the descendant of whatever being the sundrop and moondrop originated from, hence her destiny is to take control of that power once again, now she only needs to fuck rapunzel.

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First one looks great, I dislike her neon-blue hair color

>whatever the drops descended from

An ancient space god?

the neon is likely temporary like when rapunzel power-ups and her hair glows

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I'm so glad they left her hairdo intact. It's one of my favourite features of hers.

Cassandra?
More like Cuckssandra!

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yeah makes sense I guess, but then again the last time someone tried to grab it it basically exploded, and it didn't this time, so maybe the other user is right in saying the rock lowered its defenses

i want to see eugene die again and have rapunzel desperately try to bring him back over and over but she can't (again)

King Edmund is most likely going to die. Otherwise he would be at his son's wedding.

Fucker, they can just retcon the wedding to have characters from the show, it's not like that'd make any difference since the focus was on Max and Pascal

How about an inversion of the movie finale where Rapunzel is the one to fakedie and Eugene is holding her and crying.
God I hope not, I'd feel so incredibly sorry for Eugene if that happened

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why evil cassandra is so hot

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I like it a lot when Gothel stabs Eugene and Rapunzel can not do more than look.

build your own cassandra simulator

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Ok everyone poll time.
What is the Tangled series most similar to?
>Samurai Jack for animation style and bandit/supernatural villains
>Game of Thrones for political implications
>Spider-Man for power and responsibility themes as well as friends turning evil
>Bionicle because of Unity, Duty and Destiny
>Berserk for the all hope is lost twists
>Dragon Ball for glowing hair
Vote now.
strawpoll.me/17835947

These are all terrible choices.

So... I see you received the free frying pan I sent you. I'm glad. I did so want you to be here. You see it doesn't matter if you catch me and send me to Corona's jail... Eugene's been driven mad. I've proved my point.

I've demonstrated there's no difference between me and everyone else! All it takes is one bad mysterious magic door to reduce the sanest lesbian alive to lunacy. Get it? Do you get the pun?

That's how far the world is from where I am. Just one bad door. You had a bad door once, am I right? I know I am. I can tell. You had a bad door, or a window, right out the side of your tower, and everything changed. Why else would you be running around barefoot like a hippie nudist girl?

It drove you as crazy as everybody else... Only you won't admit it! You have to keep pretending that Disney princess movies makes sense, that there's some point to all this struggling! Dear Walt, you make me want to puke. I mean, what is it with you? What made you what you are?

Boyfriend turned out to be the Dark Prince, maybe? Cute chameleon killed by some snake? Something like that, I bet. Something like that... Something like that happened to me, you know. I... I'm not exactly sure what it was. Neither is the audience! Sometimes I remember it one way, sometimes another...

Ha ha ha! Ha ha ha ha HA! It's all a joke! Everything anybody ever valued or struggled for... it's all a monstrous, demented gag! So why can't you see the funny side? Why aren't you laughing?

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I'm not gonna lie if they could somehow pull off that Cassandra was actually Gothel herself, that would be pretty fucking neat.

Why is the moon do dangerous? It’s the sun that gives you cancer. The moon is a chill dude that gives us tides.

Please delete this.

>Cassandra was actually Gothel herself, that would be pretty fucking neat.
Show instantly dropped, erased from memory, buried and forgotten.

>is literally naked all the time a la Ashi
>skin probably feels firm and smooth
>is evil
>we can see her curves whenever we want to now
>will probably commit the show's only onscreen murder with no remorse
>probably has a god-tier murderwalk
>dyed hair
Yup, I'm thinking she's based

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Evil girls are hot in general.

A shame really. It could have been perfect.

Too bad her toes are permanently fused together.

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I would have said Horse Show honestly.
Can anyone post the leaked script btw?

>rapunzel's feet are bare and free
>cassandra's are covered and stuck in place
deep

>as a few can feel like they drag
I can see that. There were some parts where I wanted to make it more booklike since I felt that a written story doesn't have the privilege of visual storytelling so it needed more lines to set the tone.
What I'm really curious about though is how you guys liked the second ending. I'm not a writer so I don't necessarily need critical feedback, just whether it was cute or cringe.

The moon has a dark side

It made me think of the moon and the sun having sexual intercourse so it can't possibly be cringe.

>literally naked
This isn't like Ashi at all, Ashi was actually naked with simply a burned body, Cassandra has an actual armor covering her.
She was only naked for a second during her transformation.

I meant Eugene becoming blond. I've never written stories before, much less comedy.

I bet she it's very sensitive armor that just needs a deft massage of touches to reverse her evil mind and maybe a few rubs with smooth blonde hair to ease her pain so that she becomes good again.

Lunacy

They already killed his mother so I THINK that satisfies the Mouse's thirst for parental blood, but you never know

Sun gifts life the Moon offers death, you need both for balance

Oh that, I thought the idea was hilarious and I'm honestly surprised the show itself hasn't played more gags with Eugene's hair or giving him an actual misshapen nose

Cass kills Edmund and no one can convince me otherwise

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>It didn't help anymore even if Raps went to see Varian afterwards.

See that may have been the case, but TRYING is what makes a character endearing or not. If she TRIED and failed and he went nuts that would be one thing. But she didn't try at all. She just wrote him off then went back to whatever.

I get that she had her priorities, and Im not saying she didn't make the right call in saving her kingdom. But afterwords she still needed to try and help her friend instead of just pouting about how she wasn't a very good one, because that's the shit that makes her no.

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>It's a kids' show, so it's supposed to be shitty!

Then why are they even bothering with shit like Rapunzel's death incantation. It's half-ass. Kids entertainment doesn't have to be written poorly.

>n. Raps' promise is saying she will help Varian to figure out the mystery of the rocks when her parents are back.
>>Just give me until my father returns. Everything is going to be okay. I promise.
>Everything wasn't okay. By the time her father returned she'd saved Corona from the snowstorm, but also abandoned Varian.
This is why I call bad writing. It make no sense she didn't get back to Varian after the Snowstorm.

Varian is not very close friend of Raps like Pascal. In fact he was missing after the storm and intended to dodge the people’s eyes. Raps doesn’t want to let his father worry again after the Ruthless Ruth episode so she was supposed to ask the permission from the King if she wants to approach Old Corona to visit Varian.

>Crush is bummed out because her thieving scum bf dropped a proposal in front of everyone when she's still savoring freedom from the Tower and with the pressure of coronation looming
>See opportunity to lighten her spirits, offer a night away from the guards and the expectations and sneak her out
>She's impressed as fuck, thinks you're hella cool and loves your outfit fuck yeah
>spend the night frolicking in the woods with her, surely no girl can frolic this hard and not be a little gay, right?
>Her joy gives you life
>Piece de resistance time, show her those super metal black rocks you found at the spot where the sundrop flower grew. Indestructible spikes are romantic, right?
>Break your sword just to show off how stronk you are
>O shit they're glowing
>O shit SHE'S glowing
>Suddenly have to run for your lives from explosion of death rocks. M-Maybe danger turns her on
>Oh fuck her hair is 70 feet long, glowing, and the most majestic thing you've ever seen
>Oh fuck the king is gonna roll out the guillotine when he finds out your took Rapunzel to frolic in secret
>I-It'll be fine, just as long as Fitzherbert doesn't fi-
>Fuck
>Coronation attacked by criminals, waifu's hair is exposed. King knows and is totally pissed but your golden haired angel covers for you
>This is fine. You can find a way to fix this for her
>Everything is going to be okay

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And it’s completely benign. Unlike the melanoma that ravages the body.

>She's selfish and ignorant of other people's emotions. Traits all sociopaths possess. Varian and Cassandra chose to help her out of their own goodness, traits that Rapunzel exploited for her own benefit
But that's not true.

This is called character complexity. It's good writing and you are bad. It makes perfect sense she would be too guilty to face up to Varian until it was too late and he'd already gone missing.

That's a pasta.

>She had everything handed to her and she is sacrificing everyone's happiness for the sake of her destiny.
Her destiny, as far as we know, is destroying the Black rocks that are a threat to several kingdom, destroying fields and thus crops and farming. It's necessary to save several thousands of lifes.

What we see is what we get when a ruler do not do nepotism and prioritise his country over their friends. A good king is rarely a good friend.

Watch it. It has several fetishes in it. I'd say it's on on third on the Totally Spies scale (that range from 0 to 1).

Calling it now. The crow fucked up and the actual heir is Cassandra.

i'd actually prefer if Eugene remained a commoner.

Okay but she looks nothing like either Edmund or the Dark Queen

There is a spell for that.

>Fractional scales between 0 and 1
What are you, some kind of pervert?

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WHERE IS VARIAN?!

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Getting ROCKED by Cassandra

I used to think this show was basically the 2020 Version of the 90's aladdin, but with Raps being Aladdin and Eugene being Jasmine, but yeah, now it's getting closer to the 90's spiderman cartoon, with all the friends turning into villains.

>removing the scene where he rejects all of Rapunzel's attempts to reach out to him after Queen For A Day
Wait, is that real, or is this just fan speculation ?

he's been jacking off in jail for the entirety of season 2 after that blueball of an ending, and now we're next

The 90's Aladdin show. even though it has more story arcs.

I've never heard of such a thing myself

>This is called character complexity.
No, it's not. a character not doing something obvious, none of her friends doing it either, for no valid reason at all, is bad writing. they wanted a villain and forced their way in.

There is literaaly no valid reason for Raps to not chack on Varian, after ward, especially as it is out of character and ESPECIALLY AS SHE LITERALLY SAY OUTRIGHT HOW SHE IS SAD SHE COULDN'T HELP HIM.

The sotry provide zero reason as to why she doens't actually do it.

She deserved it. Rapunzel is a bad person.

>she broke her promise
Well, Raps is the daughter of a witch.

There is a reason and it's been elaborated in a previous thread. Go read up on it.
desuarchive.org/co/thread/107013362/#107020987
Also work on your English, it hurts to read your posts.

>It make no sense
Its called being human, user. People can be shitty, Raps herself can be a complete piece of shit.

>Crush
Lol. Cassandra isn't gay.

true she's lesbian

From Chris Sonnenburg's Twitter:

>The first image of Cass grabbing the moonstone created by @shiyoonk almost FIVE YEARS AGO. Knowing the direction of a narrative in advance makes it much easier to navigate emotional growth and gives you the confidence that you are telling the right story.

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Being Cass is suffering.
Don't be naive, user. Bi instead maybe, but same result.

>naive
>on a headcanon
Lol.

Huh

Was Lance originally supposed to be a skinny guy? Who is that with the sword in the foreground? Is the girl proto-Adira?

>skinny lance
cursed

According to Sonnenburg the skinny guy was an older version of a member of the Brotherhood

It might just be angle/perspective but it looks like the Cassandra in this pic's arm is straight up fucking GONE

>old drafts had Cass get fucking DISMEMBERED, not just burned

>a fucking princess show manages to get planning its story and arcs right when countless others have failed and been praised despite such

We should take this lesson to heart. Draw a scene of yourself, five years from now, and follow through with it KNOWING that you are telling the right story of your life!
I'll start.

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Technically true. Cassandra isn't a lesbian and no amount of VA support or anything like that will make it canon until it is writen into the show.

Sure, people can come up with their headcanons and try their damn hardest to self insert as the character in question (very tumblr stuff). I read somewhere in this threads that someone posted that "Cass was literally me!!!". My guess is that, that user is a lesbian and see Cassandra as an extension of herself (no difference from guys self inserting as Finn, both are pathetic). So, they will push non canon ideals to feel themselves special.

In truth, there is nothing that implies any sort of sexual identity to Cassandra or even Varian. The only ones that seems to have any sort of romantic and somewhat sexual feelings are Eugene and Raps.

Where i'm going with this is this: Let them have their fun. Who cares? I mean, I get it. "Lesbian" has become kind of foul word in Yea Forums since Korra ended.

>someone's seven year old who had been in a cast drew this as soon as they started getting better
>immediately one of these characters goes evil
>all of the kids' favorite characters turn evil on this show

whelp

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Varian is straight as a laser-beam. You might be autistic.

Well, yeah. Varian is on default. And straight is default.

Also, RUDE.

Lol damn

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He's not on default he was openly lusting over Cassandra.

Yes, default.

>Its called being human
No, it's not acting human, it's being badly written. It make no sense for her to feel sad an do nothing, without providing any reasons for not doing anything. And even if she is so traumatised that she is hit by a stroke of stupid that prevent her from feeling bad ofor Varian, yet still not check on him, it make zero fucking sense that none of her friends propose to check on Varian now.

They wanted a Villain and couldn't find a good way for him to feel betrayed.

>I saw some jokes that Disney is telling kids they shouldn't ever trust anyone.
Sure wish I had a fun show to watch when I was younger that could have told me that

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Default is not knowing. So far, he is straight.

This made me respect the show even more, but now I'm curious: If animated shows, or this one in particular, have this level of planning why they end up having so much filler?

It actually only makes zero sense to you, it makes sense to the rest of us.

Filler episodes is a standard of Western animation. it's when you do character development.

follow your dreams, user. Be cool.

>, it makes sense to the rest of us.
No, it doesn't, you are just giving a pass. Raps being sad letting out Varian doesn't explain why she doesn't check on him afterward. It doesn't explain Eugene and Cass checking on it either.

and if not for Varian, at least to check on the black rock he reported. The writers didn't bother not coming up with a valid reason for them not checking out afterward.

Fuck, when Raps tell to Eugene she feel bad about Varian, there is no valid reason for him to not suggest to check on him now.

character development, cooldown

and honestly probably so that they can write episodes that aren't all super important and they can just have fun now and again. It makes sense, of course. Just tortures you when you happen to be a lore obsessed manchild on 4channel

>No, it doesn't, you are just giving a pass.
Yes it does, and the fact that you're finding no way to refute it other than repeating yourself instead of addressing the critical point is what makes me question you're holding this argument in good faith at all.

>and the fact that you're finding no way to refute it
But I do. i did several time.

Rap ackonwledge letting down Varian, therfore, her focusing on a mural make no fucking sense. Here not facing somone after disapointing thme is out of charracter too. And Neither Cass nor eugene suggesting to check on Varian make no fucking care.

-Eugene, I feel so bad about Varian
-lol who fucking care, what about your mural ?

It's just bad writing because they wanted to make him a villain.

this is not being human, this is being stupid for the sake of the plot.

>We could have had half a season of Cassandra learning how to do thing with only one arm

Yeah you're not responding to what's been said to you at all. The problem is with you, not the story. Last (You) from me.

>instead of addressing the critical point
And I did address them. Raps not facing someone she let down is completely out of character.

It completely contradict her attitude with Cass where she want at all cost to make things better between them. and it provide zero explanation as to why not even Eugene nor Cass tried to check on Variant either, especially as black rocks were involved.

Fuck writing and FUCK Cassandra, can we talk about what an absolute gem the Eugene solo was? The stellar animation and singing? I can't stop listening to it, they really are doing this character justice in my eyes.
My absolutely favorite part is when the background is purple and he does that little twirl, if any webmfriend wants to make my day.

>Yeah you're not responding to what's been said to you at all.
I have see That Raps can't face someone she has let down not onluy doesn't fit her character at all (other wise, she would be reluctant in the later episode to go seek the scroll, and she doesn't even question it), but it also fail to address the reaction of the other character.

Like I have said before, this was just bad writing because they wanted a villain.

>and perhaps failing miserably and bursting into tears
oh, what it could have been

So, it'll all be available on Disney+ ?

I just assumed that Rapunzel kept being wrapped up in Princess Duties and couldn't find the time to get out and check on Varian/forgot in the initial chaos from Queen For a Day that lead directly into Painter's Block

probably

We all know this.
This sperglord doesn't.

The show crew honestly doesn't like when people call episodes filler. They believe that all episodes have some importance to them, whether plot progression or character growth

She has shown before to send this all to hell, when she consider there are more important priorities.

Raps is kind of a shitty person.

I'm gonna ask my baby sister to draw it too after showing her the last episode

Again. Default.

>No, it's not acting human,
I think it is. You, for example, are acting like a complete piece of shit.

Are you autistic or with aspergers?

Not really. It's just that she doesn't do Nepotism. good rulers make poor friends.

The thing about Nepotism is that you often don't realise you are doing it up until you are too deep into it. It's just perceived as "taking care of your own".

It seems like you're really set on this but I don't mind discussing

Cass and Eugene, frankly, probably didn't care enough.Even after Great Expotations Cassandra never showed much of a connection with him and Eugene ALWAYS viewed him with distrust and a fair bit of aloofness. Varian said his dad was in trouble but he himself never came back or contacted her again.

She seems to have let herself believe that Quirin made it out of the situation until she actually went back to Varian's home. By the time Quest For Varian she didn't even know that Old Corona had been abandoned; Frederic and most others considered him dangerous and probably blocked her from trying to see him again or hearing anything about it. Right after the Storm Frederic decided to open up that art gallery and ask Rapunzel to contribute, and then the Zhan Tiri business happened

For the most part everyone and everything was doing as much as possible to keep her from thinking about Varian until her second dream

>Not really.
A simple "Hey, you ok?" would have sufficed. She is a shitty person.

>I think it is.
Acting in a way she never ever act again as neither before nor after is not "acting human", it's acting out of character. Trying to make an explanation that does not resonate with her attitude with any episode and doesn't even manage to cover everything is not perceiving her as human, it's giving a pass to the writing.

I still call them filler but that's one of the things that makes this show great, the "filler" does have a lot of importance towards foreshadowing/lore or character development so it all feels worth my time. Except for the island episodes, maybe I missed something there but those felt drab

Yes

I'm gonna copypaste the stuff from the previous thread, I didn't write it but it's very relevant and should be saved.

Rapunzel has a compulsive need to help everyone and everything. This is both a product of her naturally kind and agreeable disposition, but also her childhood truama. Gothel would lose her mind if Punzie ever rocked the boat. To her, keeping people happy is not just a personal preference but also necessary for survival. This is why she acts so autistic about Monty. She can't have people hating her because she cares deeply what others think and when she was in the tower being hated meant eating gruel for a month and isolated.

This is bad because, as queen, Punzie is going to have to piss people off because you have a finite kingdom with equally finite resources. A good monarch can try and keep everyone happy but have to accept they eventually won't.

Enter Varian. He's a nice kid Punzie liked a great deal. She lets him down - for a very good reason, I might add - but still feels terrified of the fallout. She might have had good reason but the consequences were dire. She's never pissed anyone off this badly before.

Needless to say, Punzie is terrified. She avoids Varian because she could barely handle minor dislike from Monty or Gothel for reasons as petty as redesigning the seal or asking to see lanterns. Now she has to explain to her friend why, from a utilitarian perspective, it was ethical she let his dad die.

Continuing on Rapunzel and Varian:

Is it right? Nope. Does it make sense? Oh yeah. And the great thing is we see that Rapunzel has learned her lesson albeit Varian was the price for that lesson.

Throughout season 2 Rapunzel has been repeatedly offered chances to relinquish responsibility (and thus any position of power where she disappoints and hurts others), and yet she insists she has to move forward anyway.

We see this with Cass. Cass throws a temper tantrum because Raps isn't the naive little ingenue fresh from the tower, but a Queen coming into her own. She complains Raps "stopped trusting (her) judgement". Raps is upset Cass is upset but sets her straight. Being Queen means making decisions and mot everyone is going to be happy all the time. If Cass was given special treatment it would be unfair to Raps' subjects and cripple her ability to make good decisions as a leader. And what do you know - Raps was right! Adira was helpful and the only reason Cass said otherwise was because she was bitter about being second fiddle to a sexy Amazon.

The epitome of this occurs in Rapunzeltopia. Raps gets a world where she makes no one mad. Her tad is perpetually delighted. She doesn't reject Eugene's proposal. She even doesn't have to feel bad about Big Nose and Freiborg since they're hooked up! Note that, despite only appearing in the storyboards, the description for this episode includes the phrase "a world where Varian never happened".

And that's because, despite not appearing, Varian is key to this episode. He is the instance where Raps realises she doesn't need to be afraid of pissing people off, and that running away from upseting others is only going to make things worse. She needs to do her best as queen, and try to explain her motivations rather than acquiescing, fleeing, or retreating.

>Cass and Eugene, frankly, probably didn't care enough
If they don't care about Varian, Cass definitely care about the black rock and Eugene definitely care about Raps feeling like crap about Varian.

>She seems to have let herself believe that Quirin made it out of the situation until she actually went back to Varian's home.
There is nothing indicative of that. jut a simple line, like her father lying to her, saying he sent soldiers and everything was alright would have provided a sufficient explanation. But he doesn't even lie about that up until later episode.

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I'm drawing a short comic with Cass and her horse, will post when I'm done

Demanitus spin-off when?

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Makes me miss the 80's and 90's where you could traumatize kids or show deep plots that both adults and children could enjoy. Bring back the good days of BtAS.

Two issues before Spider-man got his body stolen by Doc Ock, Marvel printed a letter from a cancer kid saying he's gonna fight and beat his cancer the same way Spidey beats Otto.

>Needless to say, Punzie is terrified. She avoids Varian because she could barely handle minor dislike from Monty or Gothel
No, I have already adressed that, that explanation just doesn't hold. Especially with how she act with Monty, she does the opposite of not facing him, she get obsess.

And her attitude with Cass also show she will make a point to try to fix everything an not give up. being persistent is literally one of her most fundamental trait.

Her not checking on Varian after the Snowstorm is completely OOC.

Before Varian she is shown to make sure people are okay with her and so does she after it.

And Eugene not suggesting to check on Varian when Raps say how she feel bad about it make no sense. And Cass not seeking to learn about the new formation of black rock make no snese either.

No, that just doesn't work.

The problem is that she doesn't make good decisions.

BtAS didn't have close to the same level of trauma as Spider-man. Batman the serious cartoon is a meme. Yes the stories were good and they didn't avoid guns or sex but Batman never failed at anything until Mask of the Phantasm.

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He was being a whiny bitch in that song. All that drama just because he has a dad now and decided to do a thing everyone would forgive him for anyway.

Was Cassandra even told? In Quest Eugene actually urges Rapunzel to let the whole Black Rock thing go initially. He didn't want her or he himself getting wrapped up in that weirdness so why would he personally investigate?

And while Frederic perhaps didn't say they confirmed Quirin was fine, he DID say that his soldiers had gone and uprooted every black rock and the people in disrupted towns were back in their homes. Not mentioning Quirin was trapped would be certainly sufficient to ease off her worries if she thought Varian and his father were okay enough to not be mentioned

>No, I have already adressed that, that explanation just doesn't hold.
You didn't address it though. You just think you did. When are you going to recognize that you're a brainlet? The woman was paralyzed with guilt. It was telegraphed in a million ways. You don't understand people. You can barely even communicate with them. You fucking use reddit spacing for CHRISTS SAKE. Get the FUCK OUT OF HERE YOU PIECE OF SHIT.

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>his pupils were driven into the grasp of evil because of Demanitus' weird ways and awful puns
I'd buy it

Blonde or Black hair?

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This entire post reeks of autism. Character's aren't required to be automatons that react exactly the way you expect them to be well-characterized and you don't seem to even humor that possibility.
And you need to stop trying to compare it to shit like Monty, because this was a completely different level. She has never, ever done anything to the level of breaking her promise to Varian before.

The song itself? My absolute favorite in the entire series. Its context and resolution? Pretty poorly handled.
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>Everything I've yearned for/Everything I planned
>All my sweetest memories were castles made of sand
Literally one of the best lines in any Disney song period

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Most of this is correct, but...
>Adira was helpful and the only reason Cass said otherwise was because she was bitter about being second fiddle to a sexy Amazon.

I feel like this doesn't give cassandra more credit. Setting out on this journey, she made it her duty to protect Rapunzel, and during this episode they run into danger after danger - and Adira that causes some of them.

>"We should make camp here"
>"No, we should get out of here before Hector finds us"
>"Shut up, kid"
>Hector finds them

Not to mention how Adira does lead the group down to where Rapunzel discovers the Death Incantation and nearly drains everyone's life before Adira bodychecks her out of it. And Rapunzel STILL thanks her for that.

She doesn't want any "special treatment". She just wants her voice to matter more to Rapunzel than someone who comes and goes as she pleases, and admits to keeping information from the group for no reason besides... being mysterious.

Sure Spider-man was great for its time, but having many downer endings does not make an adult or deep plot. Doesn't even make a cartoon good. BtAS is a classic because it humanizes the characters and makes you care for them deeply, to understand them and their flaws as they struggle to overcome them. More importantly, it gave children a figure to aspire to, you wanted to be as cool as Batman or Superman without making them Gary Stus. Also Batman wanted to retire several times, one of those was when Jim Gordon got shot, he did fail a lot and suffered such as in the Harvey Dent episodes.

It also has rewatch value because as a child you watch for the action scenes and good guys vs bad guys. As an adult you can rewatch and it's still good because of the characters and how they resonate with your now adult life. Plus the fanservice and sex jokes make sense now.

I think Tangled has potential for that, but sadly it's still limited by its PG rating.

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Instead of just being okay with the whole traitor situation or even the prince thing he needed to have some time to realize just because of a heritage he never knew his life was no less valid in its joys and sorrows

Prince or not he's still Eugene Fitzherbert, he made that choice himself in the first movie!

The fanart is the best part of this redesign

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>Not to mention how Adira does lead the group down to where Rapunzel discovers the Death Incantation

See I was super sure there was something to Cass accusing Adira of wanting Rapunzel to learn the incantation but as of actually reaching the Opal it really seems that wasn't the case

It's strange that if the spell wasn't something she actively wanted/needed for her keikaku that she let Rapunzel take that risk

Also I wonder where the hell Hector is. He gets dragged away by his animals but I assumed Adira ultimately met back up with him. Being the only other known Brother it seems like all of this shit happening would be pretty important for him to know about/be there for

Hopefully he arrives to help with the Cass sitch next season

Meh it looks like capeshit and spandex. Why did they have to make her new suit like that? Should have made it an armor to fit with her knight theme and just make it warped. Also add a crow theme given that the Dark Kingdom had them.

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I really really really really hope that she gets more added to her costume soon

Some real ass Dark Knight shit

It's not capeshit spandex.
She's a nymph. A moon nymph. Like a Hesperide but for the moon.

>It's not capeshit spandex.
It's not actually capeshit spandex, but you can't argue that it's not inspired by it

Memes aside I really do wonder what effect the Moonstone's inherent desire to unite with the Sundrop is gonna have on Cassandra

Will she try to steal it from her? Want to leave but find herself eternally drawn back by the otherworldly force inside her?

Sadly looks like spandex. And in particular it annoys me because it reminds me of another shitty raging lesbian superhero.

Given that the moon is related to change I believe Cassandra will act more erratic.

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Love his response.
>Varian:" I know first hand how well you keep promises."

I know Varian is going through an edgy teen phase but I find it interesting how they are playing of Raps whole promise angle since it was a big deal in the movie.

So we know Cass is evil "now", and she has the moon powers WHICH RESPECTFULLY BELONGED TO EUGENE THE WHOLE TIME CASS YOU BITCH. But what now? Congratulations, she got herself caught, what's the next step of her master plan?

crumbling this castle

>It's strange that if the spell wasn't something she actively wanted/needed for her keikaku that she let Rapunzel take that risk
I'm sure the spell will turn up eventually in season 3.

I'm personally running with the theory that Rapunzel may have needed to use the spell after she touched the Moonstone Opal, maybe to ultimately neutralize it, or use it in case touching the stone caused Zhan Tiri to break out or something.

I also think touching the moonstone could actually kill Rapunzel, and Adira was keeping that info to herself because she wasn't sure what would happen.

You're no fun user

Try to "join" with Rapunzel through raging lesbian tantric magick, fail due to Raps heterosexuality and escape by destroying the castle, killing Edmund in the process.

Initially I first watched “Challenge of Brave” I thought it is just a filler. After the season 2 finale, this episode totally has the foreshadowing on it.

Whatever her destiny is suppose to be. Maybe go release Zhan Tiri.

I'm still holding out on Zhan Tiri being the very essence of Evil That Haunts Princesses since he's partially inspired by everything from ice storms to Maleficent to Aku to Ursula.
Which is why Cassandra could be swayed to side with him. She's sick and tired of a princess being a princess while she is just there to fawn over her and lick her clitoris clean of Prince Charming's semen. Maidens rise up!

>Adira was keeping that info to herself because she wasn't sure what would happen.
She outright says that exact thing to them

Worryingly, now I wonder if she sought out the death song because she knew one of the party could try shit and they'd be dangerous as fuck and wanted a contingency. Qualified of course by the fact that the moon power probably won't even work on Cassandra now that she's the stonekeeper

Plot twist: Zhan Tiri is like Te Fiti without his sun and moon shit.

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>Adira will never crush your head between her thighs

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That's what I was saying user, I don't care about the writing discussion or how it was resolved or whatever I just want to talk about the absolute quality of that solo, Zach totally killed it and the lyrics and melody were gorgeous. Might even beat some (most) songs from the movie!

I'd rather have Cassandra peg me with black rock dildos.

go back to your time period Lance

Guys I hope Lance doesn't die

there's no way Lance is dying, he's too much of a comic relief for that.
IF Adira isn't evil I can see Lance riding into the sunset with her.

He's too much of a scaredy teddy bear to die.

DEAD

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I guess this was the last dance for lance vance

Hell yeah dude. It's absolutely movie-tier for sure! It has that same melancholic beauty "I See The Light" has, and a lot of that really comes from Zach's stellar voice. He really gives his all on it and sells you that Eugene really is torn as fuck on this whole situation, the hopelessness in his voice was superb. I heard the song when it leaked on Spotify earlier before the finale, and I couldn't even tell it was from a TV show the first time I listened. Or any other time I've listened to it for that matter. Menken and Slater should be truly proud of their work here, along with Zach and his fantastic voice.

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wet cass

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Only one thing remains that can defeat Cass and Zahn Tiri in one fell swoop

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This just made me realize we know Eugene's opened up to Cass but we don't know if she still hates him

Maybe if Raps did it.

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That's how they fool you, they make you care about what is basically an OC inserted with the characters that won't be present at the wedding and then ZAC, a great candidate to emotionally scar the audience forever.
Speaking seriously he'll definitely end up raising Red and Angry with Adira, I'm just saying.

It seemed pretty clear to me that they'd both softened on each other a lot and most of their arguing was just companionable ribbing

Fight Zhan Tiri and be awesome.

She doesn't, at least not to the extent at the start of the series. It's definitely more of an annoying brother/sister dynamic now

this was hottest Raps we've ever had

The sundrop is needed to control the power of the moonstone. They both exist to destroy Zhan Tiri.

Cause I like sufering you freakin piece of $#1%

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Why must you do this Mung!?

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You would think with all the similarities they would make Eugene the moondrop. The portrait was a good red herring in my opinion.

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this

Imagine if they swapped wives. What would the kids look like?

>both supposed to be newborns
>Rapunzel's head is larger

The Moon connection is there

Just not quite a one to one parallel

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Who's this human of supreme taste that draws those wonderful Cassandras?

Coronan artists obviously like babies more than Darkingdom artists.

Different styles in their kingdoms

Corona's is more exaggerated and expressive, with faces and bodies turned at points while the colors are flatter and well, darker in the other, with everyone pretty much facing completely forward and with more restrained proportions

Mikk, you can find him as @MikkuSushi on Twitter

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Are rapunzel and eugene secretly related?

Thank you

Oh don't start with THAT shit

When Dark Prince Eugene theory was first established, this capture from Monkey episode is one of the supporting argument.

A real monster couldn't be this cute

Yes. They're both germanic nobles so they're probably cousins.
Hot, steamy, tongue kissing, nudist cousins.

Sometimes you need to become a monster to fight another monster

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Dark Kingdom's been an isolated community for thousands of years, any common ancestry would be diluted by uncountable generations

Should be death hair Rapunzel.
Wonder if Cassandra will have a second form as well. Like a New Moon form.

user, that IS the New Moon form!
You can't even imagine what the Full Moon form will be!!

How is this show so much better than most Disney-affiliated shows going on right now?

>Cass - Super Saiyan Blue
>Raps - Super Saiyan + Gon Freecss transformation
I can’t decide who is superior.

>and this is to go even further beyond
>proceeds to scream for the entirety of the 40 minutes special

Because of this. Have you made an image depicting what you'll do in advance five years from now yet, user? Do you have confidence you're telling the right story?

>Not a full on operatic continuous song for the entire runtime as they both become more and more GROSSLY INCANDESCENT/THRILLINGLY FLUORESCENT

Isn't it obvious?
El hermano de Cassandra

Move over Genndy. THAT is how you make an entire episode a metaphor for sex!

It showed that Tangled tv show has a better planning than Star Wars sequel trilogy.

Holy shit, isn't that literally an Uriah Heep duet? Paradise / the Spell?
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Super Saiyan Broly still can outperform Goku/Vegeta’s Super Saiyan Blue form. I guess Raps will have light green hair when she achieves the ultimate power of mixing sun drop and moonstone.

>5 years of planning
This shouldn't be the outlier - it should be the norm.

>Princess fighting game made by Arc System Works never ever

Being fair, many series do not know how many episodes/seasons they will receive.

The Princess Brawl
get it? because it's a pun on The Princess Bride

Well the show's been running for two years already so I guess the planning before the show was more like three years but Chris never did say they only started 5 years back

Sure, but there's something to be said for having a long story arc/narrative planned (and character arcs for the same reason). Worse case, you find out your series is ending earlier than you wanted, but at least you can try to build something out of that.

This. She can't do it to Eugene or Cass because it's not rape

I'll see your smolder and raise you a glower

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you can still try

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is eugene the luckiest son of a bitch?

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Concept: the pilot of season three we get another kickass song that is both Raps singing sadly and Eugene comforting her on one hand, and Cassandra accepting her role as the villain on the other.
I'm on the edge of my seat thinking about all the possibilities for songs actually, I hope they deliver.

The nursery episode has lots of foreshadowing of the season finale.

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Reminder most of this franchise's problems could have been avoided if someone listened to based Quirin.

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It was still but a delaying action. The black rocks would have still crawled across the world and eventually found the sundrop flower, and who knows what would have happened if it wasn't housed inside a body at the time

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Oh you poor millennials.
She's Gozer the Gozerian, not a cape. Very Bowie. You guys need to imbibe in better culture.

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Holy shit.

>crew constantly tweets about how Disney fucks them over
It'd be hilarious if it wasn't so sad

How can such a cute little lesbian be evil?

a fucking rhino

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No joke an alternate universe where he was a recurring villain with a different animal mount each time would have been kino

>that time one of the creators retweeted a petition to actually air some damn new episodes for once
just gotta keep supporting it and spreading the word about it

I hope the creators and writers all get more work once they're done with Tangled. I'd like to see what they're capable off when given opportunity to create their own characters and scenarios

Sucks that the show is already 2 thirds over

>with only a single season left they not only have to explain and resolve all of this shit with Cassandra but also work in an ending for her that doesn't make all of her (man)child fans want to die

>this crew will probably all go their seperate ways
I wish them all the best anyway

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Despite the inconsistent schedules, the series has received a lot of affection. 3 seasons and several one hour episodes.

It's gotten a horribly raw deal in terms of promotion from Disney. And the most Disney+ can really do for the show is more love and attention, not much it can really do for new episodes since 3 seasons have been planned from the get-go. So hopefully the crew gets to work on more cool shit if it does well there.
As for the show itself, you've been right it's been more than generous in terms of content. Assuming the original film got lucky and got 2 sequels for a trilogy, that would probably be less than 4 hours of content that isn't guaranteed to be great. Instead we got an entire fucking TV show with around 50 hours of content that has been mostly great. Count your blessings folks.

>twist of the century happens and they reveal the story isn't over and a second series is coming

If a second series taking place after "Ever After" was announced I'd fucking nut right then and there. But I'm pretty doubtful, especially considering it would be nowhere near as planned well as this series is.

I doubt the second series taken place after the Ever After is a good idea. The hair will be eventually gone again and there is no magic elements to develop the lore like the current show.
If it covers the story of Raps and Eugene's child, it would just go another Little Mermaid or Lion King sequels which are nothing attractive because people loves Tangled franchise because of Raps and Eugene's chemistry.

Watching the original movie for the first time in almost as long as it's been since it came out and it's making me feel DISGUSTINGLY nostalgic

I hate loving a show/movie

I know that feel, m8. I've rewatched Tangled multiple times but it always takes me back to 2010, I was in college, had a gf, was living on my own in a new city. Fucking hell, nostalgia sucks.

It really stands out as something with a lot of love put into it, as Disney's first real comeback following the drought of the aughts. You can feel the love even now.

This fanart has foreshadowed Rapunzel goes Naruto, Cass goes Sasuke.

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Can't wait for the "my pain is greater than yours" moments

It's easily one of my all-time favorite Disney films. In terms of tone, it feels like if Shrek was mostly played straight instead of being a full on comedy and it absolutely works for the film. There's irreverant callbacks to Disney's past, but none are disrespectful. Seeing as this was Menken's last Disney film before moving onto smaller projects (Including this show!), he really put a lot of effort in the songs. The animation's a little dated but it still holds up pretty well and no moment really looks ugly. Gothel was the last great Disney villain. And everything about Raps and Eugene is just perfect. Even before the show, the start of their relstionship was really fantastic and it grows so organically. See The Light is such a beautiful song and wonderfully captures their relationship. It's just such a damn great film and it's a crime Frozen got all the fame and glory when Tangled does just about everything better aside from animation quality.
And as a zoomer, the nostalgia I get is fucking intense. I remember seeing it with my family on a hot summer day and crying when Eugene "died". Takes me back to a much better time for me personally.
I should rewatch it again with a new perspective with the show in mind.

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>my pain is greater than yours
Cass is entitled to say it

Giving Frederic and Arianna voices and expanded personalities is great and all but the silent scene of them just looking SOAKED in pure sadness before the lanterns is absolutely above and beyond almost anything else I've seen in a Didney movie

It's pretty great yeah. I'm glad Tangled was the one that got the series and not Frozen (a surprisingly good twist of fate).

It's great when we can see the development of a couple. Most of the time they are formed at the end of a series and that's it, we do not see anything else.

Tangled did a excellent work on mixing nostalgia with CGI. Raps and Eugene's personalities are more realistic in modern standard and their relationship development is convincing.
Plus I HATE the twist villains plots which are overused in current Disney/Pixar films. Mother Gothel is the last good villain made by Disney Animation Studios.

Jesus I know. Arianna looks she puts on a brave face for her husband's sake. Frederick looked like he could barely get out of bed most mornings

Whereas most remember the parents from Frozen as willfully ignorant child abusers

The King and Queen in Frozen are the worst parents literally.

Agreed. Another standout was the end, where they both are just overcome with joy to see their daughter again. And despite Eugene's notoriety and unconventional nature unfitting of royalty, Ariana holds out a hand to Eugene to join their loving embrace. It's so fuckin pure.

>fred stands back as if he doesn't dare hope while ari takes the first steps forward, like some mother's intuition shit

kino

Says a lot when Gothel did a better job at raising a functional adult than they did

One of the many things I adore about the series is that Frederick Felonsbane looks at Eugene, infamous wanted criminal he'd sentenced to death, and only sees the hero who brought back his daughter

Wholesome as fuck

>Cass's arm is just straight up fucking gone in this version

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Let me try a quick fix. I think it's a bit better:
1. Instead of being thrown out, Rapunzel asks Varian to help with the snowstorm.
2. Varian isn't certain he should since time is precious but in the end he puts his trust in Rapunzel.
3. Queen for a Day proceeds as normal except Varian is the one risking his life trying to fix the magic device instead of Pascal.
4. The snowstorm passes, the main trio and Varian rush to help his father.
5. They're too late, Varian starts to quietly, yet visibly, doubt Rapunzel. He believes they should've helped his father first and Corona still could've been saved afterwards.
6. The next time Rapunzel worries more about the good of Corona instead of the good of his father (when she doesn't want to give him the Sundrop immediately), Varian turns on her and officially becomes the main antagonist of S1.

Varian still has plenty of angst in this version but I just focused on Rapunzel not being a moron due to poor writing.

>Frederick Felonsbane

It is pretty fucking funny that they say Rapunzel rules with all the grace of her parents when Frederic was a grief-broken scourge upon the back of crime and Rapunzel's first few years of being back have been one steadily increasing clusterfuck

I wish King Edmund won't die in season 3. This guy is so funny and I want to see how the chemistry works with him and Frederic if he decides to move to Corona along with his son.

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Unless he has a damn good reason for missing his own son's wedding, I'm afraid his most likely fate is getting CASS'D straight through the chest. I get what you mean though user. It's not everyday you get fuckin Bruce Campbell to show up in your babby cartoon, you better make it count.

I See the Light is so top tier. I love how it just binds so many things together, the scene itself, its lyrics, the thematic relevance, the romance. It really encapsulates what a true musical number offers to a story. Frozen fucking wishes it had all that.
Important things in I See the Light
>epitome of Rapunzel's dream
>her realizing her new dream
>her realizing the world outside the tower is beautiful
>she finally sees the light (truth) about it
>Eugene also sees the good side of the world and stops being a thief, and realizes his new dream
>Rapunzel being the closest to her parents spiritually (love when she lifts their lantern up, she got their message AND lifted their hopes)
>she's been giving out light (flower/love) all this time and she's finally receiving some
>literally surrounded by her kingdom's, parents' and Eugene's love
>all alone on a boat gives focus on her and the clear water really emphasizes the scale and amount of lanterns
Important things in Let it Go
>Elsa pursues a false solution to her problem that is presented in a good light for some reason
For the first time in Forever
>Anna gets excited about going to a ball
They suffer from being too early in the movie, as well as having little substance besides whatever is at face value. Do you want to build a Snowman is probably the closest that comes to being as important as I see the Light, but it still suffers from those things

Cassandra will kill him. That will be the point of no return. Murder.

I like Frozen but yeah, it's a freaking mess.

>Original idea: everyone desperately trying to stop Cassandra, unable to prevent the wheel of fate from turning.

>Final cut: She just walks to it and grabs it, even though Eugene's in the room and was standing right next to her seconds prior.

Improvement?

If Cass kills Edmund I doubt how Raps can forgive her eventually according to the leaked script from Mandy.

THAT WAS HER PARENTS LANTERN?
ARE YOU SURE?
FUCK
THAT'S SOME AMERICAN TAIL SHIT
GODDAMMIT MY EYES ARE WATERING UP
THERE'S NO CRYING IN Yea Forums

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>Ariana holds out a hand to Eugene to join their loving embrace

Oh shit, that even adds onto why in Return of Strongbow Eugene is so upset when he realizes it was Arianna he stole that ring from. It's not a huge detail in the movie but she really is the one that first opens a place for him in their family when she pulled him into that hug

Tangledkino is layered with such perfection user. We're just along for the ride.

>THAT WAS HER PARENTS LANTERN?
>ARE YOU SURE?

Oh it absolutely is

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Blame Disney abandoned their idea considering the household audience.

Oh Lord
That's so wholesome

I dunno, assuming the "Hand isn't only effected and Eldritch Raps gave Cass a disease spreading throughout her body" theory is true I'd also say that's pretty fucked up.

You at least had to notice that Eugene moves her hair away to see her face and lean in for a kiss, as opposed to Gothel who always lowers Rapunzel's head to kiss her hair.

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She rushed up behind both of them. Neither of them were expecting it either

It helps that you can see her hesitating when Rapunzel hugs her, like she's rethinking it before the last moment

It's funny how bitter I am about how underrated Tangled is compared to Frozen when I didn't even think Tangled was that great when I first watched it

I loved Frozen when it first came out and still felt like Tangled could've had more attention than it initially got

It's especially weird considering it's not underrated at all! It was pretty much universally praised upon release, it did super well at the box office, and it both reinvigorated Disney's animation division and helped Rapunzel become a mainstay Disney princess. I think it's less underrated and more underappreciated. I know for I fact I underappreciated it, I actually thought Frozen was better than Tangled the first time I watched it. What an absolute imbecile I was.

>>Be King Frederick
>>Against all advice marry for love
>>A strong independent adventurer who's stronger and cooler than anyone in the world
>>Corona is thriving, Equis is in squalor, you're gonna be a dad
>>feelsgoodman.woodcut
>>But late in the pregnancy Arianna is deathly ill, and modern medicine ain't got shit
>>Remember old fairytale about Sundrop
>>Last act of a desperate man
>>Quirin tes you it does exist, but to use it would be a blasphemous transgression inviting calamity
>>Better to let your wife and child die
>>FUCK
>>THAT
>>Find the damn thing, Lipton that bitch up in your wife
>>Praise the Sun it worked
>>Wife and baby are healthy and happy. Beautiful baby girl with a head of golden hair. Neat.
>>alliswell.illuminatedmanuscript
>>Until it's not
>>A thief broke into the castle and kidnapped your heir
>>A criminal stole your child, your blood, your world
>>allhellbreaksloose.tapestry
>>Frederick Felonsbane a brutal inquisition into the criminal underworld. Secret Police make quotas. Torturers getting carpal tunnel and tinnitus. The executioners form a union. The smart criminals fuck off to Vardaros
>>Some innocents get caught up in it, but you can't make an omelet...
>>A years passes. Then two. Then ten.
>>Nothing. Absolutely nothing.
>>There is a whole in your chest where your heart used to be.
>>And the Lantern Ceremony every year just makes it bigger
>>Ariana is your rock
>>She never lets you see her cry
>>You ran out of tears years ago
>>Maybe it won't hurt so bad this year
>>Maybe things will be different
>>Maybe someone will find something
>>Maybe you can skip the Lanterns next year

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Granted the first time I watched it was on a tiny screen in a basement and not the theater

But yeah, I was a shit as well

>implying Rapunzel isn't the lucky one

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The broadway musical at least balances out the songs and development.

But really Tangled was definitely undercut in Japan cause the earthquake while Frozen got the perfect storm of China, Korea, and Japan loving it.

It was also much more marketable with two princesses in one movie

Awwww

Can't Eugene catch one fucking break GODDAMN

Yeah, learning he's not an orphan but his mom is dead, then losing his father just after meeting him would be the kind of cruelty the show seems to reserve for Cass

If you were gonna do a stage adaptation of Tangled, how would you prefer it? Rewritten from the ground up like Hunchback? Or untouched like Lion King

If I was gonna change anything for a stage adaptation:

>>Get rid of Maximus and Pascal. They don't work in live action. Rapunzel spends her lonely days either talking to herself, her hair, or a tatty stuffed chameleon
>>When Eugene is imprisoned and Rapunzel thinks he betrayed her, let the story breathe. Give Rapunzel a dark reprise to See The Light, or give them a kinda duet.
>>Have Rapunzel figure out she's the Lost Princess more organically, maybe through a song.

That's about it. Pretty much just make it 15-30 longer and cut out the comic relief. (I love Max and Pascal, they just wouldn't work)

there's already a stage adaptation
youtu.be/iyFHjQndReY

Pascal and Max are the best part in the movie.

fun fact: cruise crew members fuck like rabbits and I assume that extends to the performing cast.

>>Disney Cruise
Ugh... any good?

Nigga you make a horse that acts like a bloodhound and his golfballs sized costar work onstage.

it has new songs by Menken himself.

Worked on a Carnival cruise ship for two years. This is very accurate. It's also the only real perk. Cruise ships are a nightmare

Let the naked mud wrestling begin!

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I'll check it out

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Fuck that makes my dick so hard. I want to abuse and rape Cassandra until she cries.

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I dislike the proportions in this pic very much.

Now her body is covered by indestructable black rock armour so you can't do it.

Well, they were not wrong. It's just that the royals are pretty graceless.

Who would play Raps for the inevitable live action production?

Elle Fanning? Sophia Lillis?

Love it but if you shouldn't use names at the end, breaks the "random user's storytime" appearance .

didn't they get a black girl for OUAT?

Would have been cool and make her decision much more realistic. Her burnt hand is not really an issue aside from specific dedicated scenes. Losing an arm however would have cut her from everything she ever wanted to achieve.

I only like that she got actual scars. I mean she's a fucking warrior, she's supposed to have battle scars but all pictures of her make her look flawless like Rapunzel. No muscles either even though she wears heavy armor all the time.

I bet there're some soft spots in there. Half the fun is finding them. And it's not armor, it's exosqueleton.

I could never get motivated to care about OUAT. It's just Fables with less effort

I agree. I hope the new season shows that the hand had actually gotten worse.

Or have it be a disease and you can see it spreading through her body. That would make someone desperate enough to try betrayal while still avoiding the mustache twirling villain trope.

Ultra Instinct Rapunzel when?

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>rewatching Tangled
>When I promise something, I never ever break that promise.
>Ever.
Oooohhhhh, how far we have come...

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Cass deserved it though, tell me one bad thing eugene did

Her issues is that she still has a very immature view of the world due to being trapped in the tower. Anyone with real world experience would know not all promises can be kept, but Rapunzel never had to deal with difficult choices before. It's natural she would make mistakes.

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Oh, I absolutely know. And it's a part of her growth and all that. It's just funny looking back at it.

This was my idea from the moment she got her hand burnt and took the full body armor. There should have been at least one scene where she removes her arm plate and her hand is fully rotten. My expectations for the finale was something like:
>stone is within reach on the other side of a bridge
>Rapunzel starts walking but the last possible moment Cass cuts her off and destroys the bridge
>"why?" or something like that
>Cass rips off her armor and her body is fully covered in rot
>steps towards the stone and even being really close to it revitalizes part of her body
>Raps tries to say something but Cass has already mad hope in her eyes
>grabs it

She needs to be mindbroken to the point where she becomes a soulless slave.

OR here. I see you and I love you webmfriend, thank you.
even if it's a bit short and weirdly cut, I still appreciate it
anyway that moment nearly made me cry, and I know it's just me, but I really think the voice and visual work were that great

>implying I didn't make at least 10 different versions of it
Blame my loop fetish.

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So close to quads of truth. That song is just pure quality, and those lines you quoted have been playing in my head ever since seeing the finale. Bittersweet and a bit haunting, the lyrics articulated the sense of detachment or loss of identity so damn well. Top tier vocal melody and brilliant delivery by Levi. This and Waiting in the Wings alone make it worth to watch this show.

god fucking bless your loop fetish my friend (and you in general), I would shake your hand if you were in front of me
Yes absolutely, it's been stuck in my mind ever since I saw it

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They're lucky to have each other.

Their relationship is pretty much perfect because they are both high quality mates.

Griffith comparisons would be out of control.

The Berserk comparisons would be even greater.

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I think it is a foreshadowing.

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he DID say that his soldiers had gone and uprooted every black rock
Several episode later, when Raps actually go check on varian. it would have made much more sense if that episode had followed the snowstorm.
>You didn't address it though. You just think you did. When are you going to recognize that you're a brainlet?
Saying "no you didn't because i say so" isn't really a valid argument.

>Character's aren't required to be automatons
It's not about being automaton, it's about writing them constantly. We are providen zero reason as to why rraps don't go check on Varian. at all. anything would have do, but they don't even bother.

Foreshadowing Eugene learning a very special lesson in forgiveness perhaps?
Maybe he'll start to learn how to handle a VERY big responsibility just suddenly thrust into his arms when he least expects it! How exciting!

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>The woman was paralyzed with guilt.
And I have already explained that this is not something that is part of Rapuntzel characvter. when someone is angry at her, she has shown repeatedly she will try to do anything to help. Before and after that episode.
>It was telegraphed in a million ways.
It really wasn't, especially as later, she has no issue looking for for Varian's scroll.

and it till doens't explain why neither of his friends do nothing about it either.

Like I said, bad writing to force Varian to become a villain.

Not really, he is engaged with a princess. He already see himself getting to the thrown.

>And I have already explained that this is not something that is part of Rapuntzel characvter. when someone is angry at her, she has shown repeatedly she will try to do anything to help. Before and after that episode.
But she had never failed to help someone on such a scale or had to make a hard decision that would result in injury and death. That's why she is so troubled, I'd probably be exhausted too after almost losing everyone I cared for. Painting was just a method for Rapunzel to cope and ignore the issues she didn't have the strength to face at the moment, and Sugarby took the chance to manipulate her.

>engaged
not happening in that moment yet.

It could be a foreshadowing that Cassandra's Revenge in season 3 would feature separatist of Saporia (first mentioned in "Under Raps").

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>But she had never failed to help someone on such a scale or had to make a hard decision that would result in injury and death.
Which would further push her to check immediately on Varian after the Snowstorm. Her doing nothing make no sense. And later on on we outright say guilt doesn't fright her, but push her to act furthermore. Further more, the following episode was about her inability to make decision, not about facing the people she had let down. checking on Varian was the obvious one-thing to do, it was not a matter of making a choice.

And like I have already say, when she say she is sad she let Varian down, it make no sense for Eugene, who has his head straight to not even suggest to check on him. Neither does it make sense for Cass to not have her curiosity risen about the black rock.

I'd love it if she just she began going around the world killing and dissolving crime groups, stopping every petty thief and bandit, extinguishing fires, preventing natural catastrophes etc. Staright up crusade, just gaining fame and becoming object of reverence and eventually getting drunk with power.

>stopping every petty thief and bandit
And maybe resenting Eugene for the luck he had and how he was actually a prince all along, which can give some delicious angst to his character if they do it correctly. Imagine if he starts believing her when she says he doesn't deserve it.

I have the another thought that Cass' discovered her parents are the members of separatist of Saporia, but they're killed by Corona military and left her to be orphan adopted by Captain. The truth made Cass mentally break down and a whispering voice told her destiny is revenge against Corona for her parents. She need to get power and the moonstone is the only way to achieve.

I don't think I've seen anyone talk about how one of those disciples is clearly Gothel.

A lot of people did

>>Frederick Felonsbane a brutal inquisition into the criminal underworld. Secret Police make quotas. Torturers getting carpal tunnel and tinnitus. The executioners form a union. The smart criminals fuck off to Vardaros

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Why did Tangled even need a villain?

Because the Rapunzel story always had a villain. Gothel.

Well characterized villain is always a bonus for the show.

are you mentally impaired?

Seems like the show become this boring drudge of a series with a villain included. One that demands to be taken seriously, when the show was at its best in being light-hearted and silly.
If you can't give good reasons. Beyond the film had a villain and other shows have villains, then the show doesn't need a villain.

>when the show was at its best in being light-hearted and silly.
This is objectively wrong and defaults your question to a fat zero. The show is at its best during personal conflicts like Queen for a Day, Painter's Block, Rapunzeltopia and The Great Tree which are all generated by the main villain. You could cut out all the flimsy light-hearted episodes and lose less than by cutting out the main over-arching dark force of Zhan Tiri.

I'll ask again. Are you mentally impaired?
Do you jack off to summercamp island porn and use the word comfy unironically?
Villains create conflict and stakes for an overarching narrative.
101 writing, hello?

Cass' betrayal arc has been planned in the very first production period 5 years ago.

>One that demands to be taken seriously, when the show was at its best in being light-hearted and silly.
I swear to fucking God, you SOLCOMFYfags literally sound like you think the perfect show is Teletubbies.

You called me objectively wrong, yet only named your favourite episodes as your examples. You didn't prove me wrong. You just proved that you're an adolescent that thinks cartoons should be serious business guys.
The show is about a princess with magical hair and heaps of naivety. That's inherently silly. Having a villain, especially one with so much angst, just makes the show another star vs. the forces of evil.
You say that the show would lose more by cutting out the main over-arching dark force, but the kind of show it is would gain more by being episodic. Serialisation worked with avatar, because Avatar was an epic with grand themes. Tangled is just a story about a cute princess adjusting to outside life. Why would a story like that need a villain, let alone a terrorist, of all things?
Villains aren't the only things that create conflicts and stakes. There's your 102 writing. And, we don't need a overarching plot.

Show of hands, who thinks this guy is a douchebag?

>Tangled is just a story about a cute princess adjusting to outside life.
>>implying this can't be done as an epic with grand themes
>>implying that's now what this series is
Is it autism?
Slice of life is cancer dude. Paint a picture of yourself in five years and make it a reality, or get out of here.

>Having a villain, especially one with so much angst, just makes the show another star vs. the forces of evil
Stop spewing bullshit and expose your taste in cartoons lowlife comfyfag, if you have the balls. Tangled is literally nothing like Star VS.
>would gain more by being episodic
literally explain how
>Avatar was an epic with grand themes
with magical people controlling the elements and waterbending being a broken overpowered mess of a power, how is that less silly?
>Tangled is just a story about a cute princess adjusting to outside life
that's just what you want it to be, not what it is, nor what it'll ever be, or has ever been. It was about time we got explanation about the flower (a magical element) and even how gothel came to know about it. Making it episodic would literally make zero sense and be boring as fuck, as proved by the s2 filler.
>And, we don't need a overarching plot.
we don't, but when we have one it's ALWAYS a plus. Are we done?

Have you even watched this show? You haven't named any episodes at all. Just a nebulous statement about what you think the show should be in terms of premise.

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Seeing these responses, I'm kind of convinced that you guys are who Zack Synder panders to. People that won't enjoy something, on it's own merits, unless it takes itself super seriously and has darkness in it.

How isn't it anything like Star VS? Both shows were fun and then tried to be more mature by the standards of a teenager that listen to Lincoln park. They both follow the path that my little pony, of all things, laid out. The shows want to appeal to an older audience, but they allienate the family audience because this dark edgy stuff only appeal to teens and manchildren.
Comedies and slice of life are better when episodic. Right now, the show just follows a Steven Universe plot. Where the show is episodic and then the dark plotline comes crashing in and everything is devoid of fun for a few (and only a few) episodes.
You say about what I want. But, most of the show is comedy filler. Really, what you want, is for the show to be always about Varian. Why else would people here take this so personally? I've been called a retard and a doucebag. I've clearly stroke a nerve with manchildren. If you think an episodic show would be boring, then you don't actually like this show. Because most of S1 was episodic.
You ask are we done. But you haven't even started.

God this lore is going so deep. How many layers in are we currently? I lost count but I like it.
lol you wrote that whole wall of text and I'm not gonna bother replying properly, get fucked comfyfag, who's the fool now

>How isn't it anything like Star VS
Tangled has no would-they-or-wont-they annoying shipping shits / cucking memes. Raps and Eugene's relationship is always solid and supportive.

Could use a bit more structure. Hector is just there, he plays less of a part in the story than Xavier.

That's a surface level property of the two shows. It effects the characters, not the plot.

You for admitting you don't have a response.

Don't fucking bother. He hasn't seen the show.

I love it when people make baseless accusations, because they know they can't argue their own position anymore.

I have it but I like making you waste all your efforts after typing all of that. Also, I liked the s1 "fillers" so.
And I'll add that, as has been said, the movie was about the same exact characters and things as the show so far, and it had a villain, so do you dislike the movie too?

Name five of your favorite episodes and why, then name three you dislike and why. If you can't or don't, the argument is over and anyone who replies to you further is a faggot.

You have it, so show it or are you just going to walk away saying I let you win?
As for your question. I enjoyed the film based on it's own merits. The writing was tight and mother gospel fit a reimaging of Rapunzel. You couldn't have that story without her. You could still have Tangled Before Ever After without a villain. The fact that you even asked that shows you have a petty understanding of stories.

no u

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What are you guys even arguing about?

People ITT are letting themselves get baited by a shitposter.

eh it's mildly entertaining also I'm pretty sure the guy you replied to is still the same shitposter being a samefag trying to keep the discussion going by activating a dynamic like
>what are you arguing about?
>nothing it's just an autist
>oh so you don't have an argument so I'm autistic? checkmate
because I mean, you can just read the thread yourself if you're curious, so yeah...

Shut the fuck up faggot, you're the shitposter trying to turn us against each other!

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Fuck off idiot. Go get a tinfoil hat, if you're that into conspiracies.

The real conspiracy is why there are so many boy underage butts in cartoons, but no underage girl butts?

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this is not me () and I think your jab was humorous and creative, also... oh fuck he could be any one of us! Shut down this thread now!! Don't let him get out!

Why does everyone say he's an autistic creep? Can someone please explain this meme to me? Inhonestly get zero autistic vibes from him. Then again I relate to him.

t. Autistic womanchild

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>mfw this was probably the last time Raps wore anything on her bum
Gothel didn't change her diaper, she just let her shit herself until Raps learnt to use the potty, which is why Rapunzel is a nudist girl who doesn't wear undies!

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Yeah, no, fuck off. We don't need retards shitting up the thread, getting into fights, and then trying to get other people fighting. When he knows he can't even name five episodes he likes, because he hasn't watched the show. Fuck off and don't come back.

You're the only one fighting here bro. Do you have those 5 episodes yet?

uuuuh what? stay mad bro I don't type like that

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Where's Eugene in Raps dress?

>btw i'm a grill
You know the rules.

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I have autism and want to know why my favourite character is autistic please help me it is not the time for 2004 era memes.

Varian isn't autistic and neither are you.

I wish it existed, friend, I wish it did.
You can test your luck and ask for it in the drawthread I guess.

A new thread is here.

Is there maybe an alternate version of Varian's story arc in S1?

>>btw i'm a grill
Not really what she did, though. Calling yourself an adultchild sound off and manchild isn't gender-netral. Why would she puposely lie about her gender ? Saying anything than womanchild doesn't make sense.

the point was to tell she was an adult still into kiddy stuffs, Using "manchild" is not the right way, so "womanchild" it is.