What is their relationship like the comics?

From early Avengers comics to Civil War and after. I pick up on bits and pieces like Cap helping Tony through alcoholism or them and other Avengers playing poker but I'm curious for more info. Is there more the MCU should have taken from the comics and put into the films so the "He's my friend" "So was I" thing had more weight?

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Pre-2000s Work Friends that sometimes help one another. Cap's tigheter with Falcon and Bucky, even Hawkeye. Not to mention Fury. And then there's Namor and even T'Challa. Stark's generally a loser with not a lot of friends, but he's got more history with Danvers and even Scott Lang. But Post-2000s Marvel started going full-force on the faggotry and wanted their own 'World's Finest", so we got a whole of "friendship" moments verging on homolust. So, usually, they are "friends", but not actual "hey, let's hang out because I really enjoy your company" or "I trust you with my life" Tier.

Huh, so does sound like the MCU version. Friends at the work place, can have banter and light hearted moments (like in AoU) but still bicker cause of strong, contrasting personalities and Cap is still tighter with guys like Bucky and Sam.

ONE WAS LIFE

Well... Yeah. The first sign of a casual who has never actually read anything Pre-2000s is "Tony and Steve are gaaaaiiiiii for one another". Most of their evidence come from the Civil War One-Shot where Tony just goes "fuck having beliefs and sheeeeeeiiiiiiii muh buttbuddy died" and cries over his body. Or panels from Children's Crusade and the like. Mostly Post-2000s stuff, which is when Stark himself started changing from a hardcore businessman with a case of inferiority superiority complex, and into some snivelling quipster. There's that page where Cap goes to shake him out of being a drunken hobo, some random tidbits from their time on the Avengers, but they were never "blood brothers" or anything. I mean, in operation Galactic Storm they had an argument that split the Avengers in two. They're work friends and they help one another, but they don't spend Christmas together.

I mean, Hawkeye debuted in Iron Man's stories, simply to one-up Stark, but you don't see them having any sort of relationship. Widow cameos in his books every few years, but again, you don't see them being touted as supreme BFFs. Stark's generally a pretty lonely guy, but Marvel wanted to push the Avengers, and he and Cap where the two leaders, so they pushed a Batman/Superman thing. And now every other Tumblrina will have you sit down and listen how Stark globbers Rogers' Super-Soldier Cock every night. And the problem is that between all the All-Ages Comics, mobile games and whatnot, that is what they're pushing.

ONE WAS DEATH

EVERYTHING DIES

God New avengers was so much better than avengers

So your opinion on film Avengers vs comic Avengers and all these character dynamics?

There was a Tales of Suspense one-shot in the 90s by Robinson that was pretty good, it basically suggested that Steve and Tony respect each other but they also make each other feel uncomfortable. Tony is put off by Steve because he's an evergreen icon, a true-blue American from the greatest generation who doesn't need a metal suit to be a hero. And Tony makes Steve feel insecure because everything about him is symbolic of the rapidly changing world in which he will never truly fit in. Or something like that.

I don't care. I'm an Ironfag, and mostly because I've always liked robots/tech, millitary sci-fi, soldiers and shit. I never read Captain America, and just followed certain crossovers if Stark was in them. MCU Avenegrs is kiddiefied, and I'm not ashamed to say I enjoy early Ultimates. The MCU isn't bad, but it's nothing great either, and it set the stage for the pussification of all their characters, so I can't say I'm fond of it.

And Iron Man's trilogy and other MCU stuff? To your taste? Anything you'd do differently? Especially with Tony and Rhodey's relationship.

>I'm curious for more info.
I would tell you to just read the comics and form your own opinion but nobody here actually bothers to read shit so there'd be no point.
Go work on your X-Men books, Hickman

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I never followed the random revivals. But I remember the IM/CA Annual from the 90s, where Stark and Rogers kinda get along together, when they're not bickering, and the main takeaway is that they're simply too different to see eye to eye. And that's the way it should be. Stark's too "ends justify the means" to truly get along with Rogers.
>And Iron Man's trilogy and other MCU stuff?
I like the trilogy well enough; they're easily watchable. Not great or anything, but fun popcorn flicks. Same with the rest of the MCU. As for what I'd do differently, it's no use talkinh about it, since I'd change everything.
>Especially with Tony and Rhodey's relationship.
I don't care, because I never liked Rhodes. I never liked niggers, I won't like them, and I'm tired of the constant need to have them fuck some redhead or blonde in every single book I read. I didn't like niggers in Predator or Lethal Weapon, so I'm not a "muh based black guys" type; I'm just a racist. I tried to ignore it, I read Nigger Panther for a long time, I watched Luther, I absorbed all the blacked material in mainstream entertainment and tried to become more PC. But it didn't work. So for the last few years I just don't give a damn and have accepted myself fully. When I reach pages with nogs in them, be they in Iron Man or Green Lantern or whatever, I just skim through the pages. It's not like I'm missing anything from funnybooks.

Well not exactly they had more respect for one anothet in the older comics and Tony wouldn't dare quip at Steve and make fun of him just because. Tony also was the one who let Steve stay in Avengers mansion until Steve was able to get his own place which Steve was eternally grateful to him for.

Their first major falling out was during Armor Wars and afterwards they go and talk it out like adults and end up being friends again. They had a pretty cool relationship bade mutual respect pre-Civil War.

>That and your smiling face
>Steve isn't smiling

>Being so autistic you take it that literally

> What is visual storytelling.

>He doesn't know that the dialogue was written post-art

Better reason to reflect it.

Again, not every line of dialogue needs to be literal. Sometimes it can be ironic, tongue-in-cheek or sarcastic but friendly. In this case, Iron Man's being sarcastic/ironic about Cap's mood, while still doing it in a friendly way.
You need to read more Silver Age.

Pre 2000 Cap was really impersonal and did not really buddy up with a lot of people. He was generally serious mode at all times and that mostly turned a lot of other people off. Except other army guys who also kept the serious mode turned on too.

Among a lot of other heroes and up and coming heroes he was thought to be a dick. His very forward bluntness had a lot of guys like New Warriors and various X-Men thinking he liked to talk down to people a lot.

Iron Man was a loner who happened to be on teams a lot but still ran off to go be a solo hero, which pissed everyone else off all the time. The quippy douche thing is a new characterization.

Bruv, no one cares if your racist, just shut the fuck up a d go back to /pol/

>wha would you have done about Stark and his pet nigger
>give explaination
>"lol nobody cares"
I didn't bring it out of the blue. I answered the question. God, are you so thinskinned the word nigger on a Spanish Bull Fighting Forum hurts you?

Sure.

I'm the guy that asked the question, not the guy that bitched you out. I don't share your views in that regard but whatever. Still appreciate the comic answers.

>I don't share your views in that regard but whatever.
I don't expect Yea Forumsmblr of all things to do so. But a question is a question, and it demands an honest answer.
>Still appreciate the comic answers.
Alright.

>Pre 2000 Cap was really impersonal and did not really buddy up with a lot of people. He was generally serious mode at all times and that mostly turned a lot of other people off. Except other army guys who also kept the serious mode turned on too.

It's not that he was impersonal but he had that whole man of out of time drama and angst about what his place in the world was. That mostly was just in the 60's and early 70's but came the 80's and he had a lot of friends who weren't soldiers. It's why he's the one with the most sidekicks in a way, also despite their constant bickering the Kooky Quartet ended up looking up to him, including Hawkeye.

He also made civilian friends, see the Brownstone era and and all the Brownstone residents.

>His very forward bluntness had a lot of guys like New Warriors and various X-Men thinking he liked to talk down to people a lot.

New Warriors were angry with most of the Avengers for treating them like kids (which they were partially right, partially because they did a lot of stupid shit too). Still he's the one Avengers both Vance and Nova respected even when disagreeing with him. The X-Men's whole thing is that they're offstandish underdogs but even then some of the characters ended up liking him (but that mostly depends on the writer).

There was almost no chemistry between any of the Avengers until the 90's. You had people that existed and did things. That's about it. Everyone had much better solo adventures anyways.

I unironically used to be a Stormfag that browsed that site and others during a shittier time in life. It's something I fell out of eventually.

But I'm not a Stormfag or a /pol/ack. I've enver gone to the former, and it's been months since I went to the latter. I'm my own man. "Muh Nationalism" is a shitty meme. What the fuck do I care if Lithuania keeps its "ethnic identity"? There are only a handful of countries that deserve to retain their character. I just happen to really hate niggers. I'm looking forward, towards a better future; that's what I'm interested in. The past is done.

That's because before that the Avengers had secret IDs even from each other.