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>Be Shazam
>DC afraid that i’ll outsell their poster boy superman because i’m a better character so they prevent anyone good getting their hands on me.
>This is the reason most of my comics are mediocre at best
Is this true anons?
No, Captain Marvel just doesn't have the gravitas of Superman.
I always liked him more than Superman
But Superman villains are far better
you’re right. he has that and more user.
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It's fine to like both, guys
He's better just by being a kid. There are more areas to explore. Adults are boring in comparison.
Kind of the Opposite for me.
But maybe that's because they are so Underrated.
He's a lot more fun, and his whole universe is absurd and hilarious. True comic booky goofiness.
Supes is cool, but honestly I preferred Grant Morrison's take on him which pushed it closer to comic-booky craziness and absurdity. Felt like a pulpy 40s/50s sci fi adventure thing
He sold better in the late 30s and early 40s causing DC shitfit and throw lawsuits at the publishing company to death and eventual buyout.
If Captain Marvel was allowed to run wild in 40s to 70s we would have a different logo on a lot of kids lunchboxes.
DC always felt like they push every character down to keep Batman and Superman relevant.
Flash is "so fast" that he can "beat Superman in a race", Green Arrow is "almost as rich as Batman", etc etc
Feels like noone is allowed to be better than The World's Finest. But, just as the lazy writing goes, in order to make them the best, everyone else is dumbed down.
The fuck are you talking about? I can name 5 people smarter than Batman, and another 5 better at martial arts
Isn't most of the more well-known addons to the Superman mythos because of Otto Binder after he left Fawcett
The real reason is that given a roughly 20 year absence of new material most of his old fanbase was completely gone from the market and the throwback style of his 70s comics only appealed to a small market segment. Unfamiliarity by writers and readers combined with the lack of a big breakout series/book to establish him post-Bronze Age is why there aren't many good Shazam! comics. Despite this he still gets a fair amount of play, from his tv series in the 70s, constant appearances in team books and crossovers, miniseries, and OGNs, not to mention his current film and on-going. And it only increases once you add in Mary and Black Adam. For a character commonly seen by fans as DC's black sheep, he a pretty solid b-lister.
Really?
Do it.
That's in team books. Most characters are significantly more competent and capable in their solo series. Except for Green Arrow since writers seem to have a pathological desire to strip him of his money and treat him like an idiot.
>Feels like noone is allowed to be better than The World's Finest
Why would you allow other characters to undermine your biggest starts?
It's because Oliver as a rich playboy lazily running a giant corporation from an ivory tower is fucking boring, where as a hippy scraping by is not only relatable but also far more interesting direction for a bleeding heart liberal character.
Smarter:
Lex Luthor, Mister Terrific, Batgirl, Red Robin, Sivana.
Better Fighter:
Shiva, Richard Dragon, Batgirl (the other one), Karate Kid, Black Canary.
Better detective:
Sherlock Holmes, Detective Chimp, the Question, Elastic Man, Martian Manhunter.
To be fair, you can pretty much portray Batman as a jerk or joke and people will still love him despite AND because of it.
So it's only Superman that needs protection and pampering?
>Karate Kid
Isn't that guy fucking OP?
Add Batwing (Luke Fox) to people smarter than Batman. For some reason editors and writers love to introduce axillary characters that are better than Batman at something - Dick retconned as a better leader, Cass being a better fighter, Tim as a better detective, Luke Fox as better scientist, and so on.
Richard Dragon, too, who's pretty much DC's answer to the Chuck Norris memes. Dude trained everyone and can kick anyone's asses.
Like others have said, that’s really only a problem in elseworld stories of some team up books.
Most of the time they’re usually shown as equal if not superior to Supes or Bats. He’ll, I’m pretty sure in Grant Morrison’s JLA there’s instanced if every character one upping both at some point.
He was always my favourite superhero but I cannot deny the cultural impact Superman has left in the world of superhero comics.
I'm pretty sure even Cap himself was inspired by the Man of Steel.
But Geoff Johns made Black Adam into a Did Nothing Wrong type and I love him now.
The Question is a better detective than Batman? Explain yourself.
Nah, Superman is regularly outclassed by guys like Flash and Martian Mannhunter at full power. Dr Fate, Spectre, Swamp Thing etc are also shown to be astronomically above him in every regard, and even his most bullshit forms can’t take on the real big Vertigo characters
But Elvis was inspired by Captain Marvel and he's the King.
They're honestly not comparable aside from power set. Their best stories have completely different feelings, even in the golden age.
Ollie actually being a part of his company's management, even if a dilettante, opens up more storylines and separates him from Batman. Also saying that Ollie can't be relatable or interesting as a rich person is more a sign of lack of creativity on the part of the writers. Personally I blame this weird notion people have that you can't understand what it's like or help the poor unless you're impoverished yourself.
The Question has always been shown as that weird guy that will get at the bottom of something, to the point where even Batman will sometimes consult on the Question for something,
I always thought he was just a looney.
Superman is never, NEVER outclassed by Martian Manhunter. The Flash thing also only started to happen with Geoff Johns with that "those were for charity, Clark". Before that DC was firmly on the stance that it was either a draw between them or Superman had the edge.
Dragon vs Pre-Crisis KK is not even close.
The guy flexes on SUPERBOY.
Remember when Jeph Loeb tried to introduce the idea that Supergirl was more powerful than Superman? How much of a shitstorm Superman fans threw at him and DC to the point where they had to retcon it away?
If there's one thing you should never mess with, is power-level autism when it comes to Superman.
New-52?
>t. Never reads any comics but acts like a faggoy anyway
Remember when the DCAU buffed Superman to make him look stronger than Captain Marvel? He went back to being a jobber next episode.
Nah. 2006, when Loeb reintroduced her in the Superman/Batman book right before Infinite Crisis.
They sorta tried it again in the New 52 by giving her that solar flare thing, but it also didn't took long for them to give that to Superman and make a story-line all based on it.
The Question has always been very determined on something. He is obsessive and conspiratory but I wouldn't call him a looney, just an objectivist.
>Geoff Johns made Black Adam into a Did Nothing Wrong type
>Pre-Flashpoint Black Adam under Johns murdered an entire country for invading his and turned on the Wizard for trying to stop him
>in 52 Black Adam casually murdered several people, including one person he explicitly gave asylum to on camera, before murdering another country and trying to murder everyone who attempted to stop him resulting in a worldwide rampage
>Nu52 Black Adam straight up murdered his nephew for not wanting to murder another country
Black Adam under Johns does a lot wrong, mostly genocide.
This is the comics AND CARTOONS board, I'm sorry.
They'll mellow him out.
Grab Isis and Osiris and everything would be fine.
No he is the hero we need but don't deserve.
Bruce is very often part of his company's management, driving initiatives and represents the company in functions, etc. He just doesn't sit in board meetings unless there's some specific story reason for it.
Didn't they make up for it by making her a red lantern?
You’re still a little bitch for not reading the source material and acting like a little bitch
People just have to accept that DC will always keep Superman as Broly. His powers always being MAXIMUM. Every now and then they'll throw a bone to some very special characters like Captain Marvel and the Flash. Like with Captain Marvel they often will show Captain Marvel sucker-punching Superman to give you the idea that Captain Marvel CAN overpower Superman, but it's a meaningless gesture. In the end the story will have Superman be the main guy with Captain Marvel at most sacrificing himself before disappearing from the story. Same with the Flash. Sometimes they will say Flash IS INDEED faster, but whenever it truly counts Superman is the one blitzing everywhere saving people.
The only real character allowed to actually, effectively trump Superman in a story is, of course, the goddamn Batman, and that's because he's pretty much paying DC's bills. The story will always find a way to justify how this is possible. That's why power-levels discussion are dumb.
>cartoons are not a valid source of information
>you are not allowed to discuss interpretations of characters as seen in cartoons
Okay sorry I'll go read the Steve Ditko shit right now bro you really convinced me bro
>be fine upstanding Metropolis citizen
>your cousin is a shitbag thug for Intergang
>not even a thug really, just a hanger-on for a low level good occasionally used as a mule
>one morning see something about supervillain attack in Kandaq
>as you get in your car to drive to work several pieces of your cousin crash smash the ground around you
>you hear someone screaming something about blood vengeance above you
>the last thing you see before being ripped in half is Turkish Legolas RRRRREEEEEEEing
God's judgement may at times feel harsh.
Nice got a good laugh out of that
Yeah you better run you little bitch
The entire thing about Batman is that his Batfamily tends to eclipse him in a number of ways. Dick Grayson is a better leader than him, Barbara Gordon is way smarter than him (at least when she's written properly) and has better organizational skills, Tim Drake is a better detective than him, Cassandra Cain is a better fighter than him. Yet Batman is decent enough in all of those fields, unlike the rest of Batfamily. Babs sucks as a fighter compared to Batman for instance and Dick is nowhere nearly as smart as him.
What about Damian?
>Dick Grayson is a better leader than him
Yeah, no. The only thing Dick is better at is being a moral boosting leader.
Dick has better taste in waifus than Bruce.
That's true. Most of the DC's female superheroes lusted after him, yet he still kept coming back to Babs Gordon.
Didn't Dick sleep with her before his wedding with Starfire?
Barbra had a hard life.
You know what they say about girls in wheelchairs.
Luthor, Bizarro and Mxyzptlk are the only good Superman villains. Prove me wrong.
This page was brutal though, Dick was kind off... A dick in this one.
How did DC even get away with this shit? A bit cruel don't you think?
Brainiac
Yeah. That was awkward. He just wanted to invite her to his his wedding but things got out of hand. I don't remember if he did manage to marry Starfire anyway.
He definately married Babs in Convergence and they lived hapilly ever after.
Darkseid?
Mongul?
>Darkseid
>a superman villain
Jack Kirby is rolling around in his grave.
>Darkseid
Yeah, I think the wedding got crashed by Raven I think?
Also, which issue of Convergence when that happened?
Ok-ok I get it but Darkseid is considered the big-bad that supes always has to beat somehow.
DC was clearly setting him up as a villain.
There was a time when Sgt. Rock was a high seller too...
*his main Villain
It was Nightwing/Oracle two-parter. A bit anticlimactic to be honest, but it's a happy ending at least.
superman was trash until they started ripping off from captain marvel
Ha! Didn't DC did this thing where they introduced Captain Thunder as an evil aspect of Billy and Superman had to banish him into another dimension?
They had a native American chief as a stand-in for the Wizard.
Brainiac hasn't been relevant since the silver age.
Mongul is Rogol Zor tier.
>Most of the same powers
>None of the glaring weaknesses
>Has to be physically beaten out of his abilities
>Somehow still couldn't beat Superman in a fight because DC wouldn't allow it
>Elastic Man
Elongated Man
Well, there was that one time where Enchantress channelled all of the magical energies of every magic user into Billy and he used that to almost beat the Spectre.
But yeah it seems pretty weird that they just won't let Superman be beaten by Billy.
The guy with the funny nose!
Who's Rogol Zor?
>Is Shazam better than Superman?
I think the movie made that pretty clear
You're forgetting that one of Superman's biggest weaknesses is magic and Billy has magic flowing in each one of his punches
Nah, It's just that supes is susceptible to it like everyone else.
If I have the magical ability to increase my strength a thousand times, I would still get bodied by Supes.
You have to go beyond that like the Spectre, the Hosts, Enchantress and Zatanna to be able to do damage to supes.
He's more fun
Yes. Superman doesn't have the genius caterpillar mastermind with Hitler syndrome in his rogue gallery.