Are The Lion King sequels any good?

2 is fine for a kids movie even though it definitely has some flaws.

Also teaches a somewhat good message at the end while still keeping emotional weight.

Zira's also a cool villain

Lion King 2 is great, I'm not a fan of 1 1/2 but it has good songs and some funny moments.

Why is Kovu so hot??

2 feels like fan fiction, tbqh.
I rewatched 1 1/2 recently and it is still funny.

2 was great, it was Romeo and Juliet with lions, and had Andy Dick get crushed to death.

only memorable thing about 2 was that it had a good villain song.
1 1/2 is just an entire shitpost and i absolutely love it

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>dark
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>wants to kill your daddy
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I dunno if I'd say it's good, mainly because I haven't even watched it recently, but 2's premise is sorta interesting enough to at least watch once. It does have a fan-fiction feel at times, mainly through how they don't even try to establish their own premise but just sort of dump it on you through exposition (ex. maybe some flashback scene of Zira's backstory with Scar and an effort to retroactively explain her role in the climax of the first could've made all that seem more plausible), but the new characters are interesting, mainly Zira, and the plot does at least feel in line with Lion King with murder plots and characters dying and shit. As far as like direct-to-video Disney sequels go it seems to be one of those that actually seems kinda liked or at least regarded as having okay moments, rather than just being seen as a huge joke; maybe it coming out fairly close to the first helped with that.

Haven't seen 1.5. Reception to it seems pretty love-it-or-hate-it and depends on just how seriously you take an obvious joke movie, I think. I just can't bring myself to watch like an hour and a half of Timon and Pumbaa, but that's not me saying it's bad either because I honestly don't know.

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They were lionesses from Mufasa's pride who sided with scar and were outcast for it.

I liked The Lion King 1 1/2.

Which is a load of shit because not ONE SINGLE LIONESS sided with Scar in the first film. EVERY SINGLE LIONESS ON SCREEN attacked the hyenas. What, were there some lionesses conveniently off-screen who sided with Scar?

Also, why the fuck would ANY lioness side with Scar? Name one fucking thing he did that benefited ANYONE other than himself. He wouldn't even let the pride move on after the drought. He let the lions' sworn enemies, the hyenas, into the Pride Lands. Everyone was suffering under his rule.

Incidentally, it's a wonder that Simba didn't kill all what's-her-face's kids, considering that's kind of what male alpha lions do.

Dude it's a direct to dvd disney sequel, as far as these things go it's pretty reasonable retconning.

Still is impressive how they managed to fuck up something so simple.

It feels like a hack writer who saw the original movie once when it was released and didn't liked it much wrote this shit against his will.

>What, were there some lionesses conveniently off-screen who sided with Scar?

Yes, his loyalists, lead by Zira, were out hunting for food.

>He wouldn't even let the pride move on after the drought.

Pride Rock is a cultural bedrock in their society. It's also a strategic location that overlooks the Pridelands.

>He let the lions' sworn enemies, the hyenas, into the Pride Lands.

Scar allied the lions and hyenas. They weren't officially enemies at this point. The lions were sharing their land and territory with them, just like the Europeans are currently doing with the Muslims.

>Everyone was suffering under his rule.

The drought wasn't his fucking fault.

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Nigger if everyone is starving, you leave. That's what most animals do. The animals that stick to one place even during a heavy drought usually tend to die. Stubbornness gets you nowhere.

Again, it's a direct to dvd disney sequel, they knew kids don't give a shit about inconsistencies of that level and will just go 'ok i guess that there were some lionesses that liked scar', if they think about it at all, and the writers of the movie themselves know that.

>Yes, his loyalists, lead by Zira, were out hunting for food.
Never stated and not likely since it was clearly show that tensions were pretty high at the moment with the Lioness pressuring him to take actions
>The drought wasn't his fucking fault.
He allowed the hyenas to enter the Lion territory, pretty much doubling the mouths to feed what lead to their sources of food nearing extinction.

>Simba takes over
>Drought literally ends

If Simba hadn't shown up for like one more day everything would have been fine under Scar's rule. Scar was right to stay put. If the lions moved out from Pride Rock then someone else would have taken over while they were gone.

> doubling the mouths to feed what lead to their sources of food nearing extinction

user the land they had was fucking HUGE, and as it is, even if all the animals left it wouldn't literally cause a drought where even all the water and plants dried up and died.

>If Simba hadn't shown up for like one more day everything would have been fine under Scar's rule
It was implied that the Drought was caused by the lion ancestors as a punishiment for Scar murdering Mufasa and taking the Throne when Simba was the rightful rule, Mufasa by himself was able to control the winds and the clouds.

I mean unless Rafiki is literally just insane, magic absolutely does exist in the lion king world.

Doubling the number of predators in an area out of nowhere always lead to disaster.

Hell the cycle of life is an analogy to balance of nature.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Balance_of_nature

Isn't 3 just a movie about the Timão and Pumba (don't care about their english names)? It just shows the events from the first movie from their POV for comedic effect.

2 and the cartoon are shit.

So yeah, basically 1 and 3 is kinda of a bonus.

They Hyena's were already on the land before this though, and even if they weren't eating as much, they were still predators on the land.

Plus, again, 20 extra hyena's or so hunting on this literally giant stretch of savanna would not cause a literal 'no rain and all water and plants drying up and dying' drought, it was legit just a coincidence or lion revenge magic.

>It was implied that the Drought was caused by the lion ancestors as a punishiment for Scar murdering Mufasa and taking the Throne when Simba was the rightful rule, Mufasa by himself was able to control the winds and the clouds.

Nigga what. If the lion's ancestors could do that shit and Mufasa could pop up whenever he wanted then why did none of the dead lions show up and tell the living lions that Scar murdered Mufasa? Why are the dead lions punishing everyone instead of just Scar when the others have literally no fucking idea that Scar murdered Mufasas. The dead lions had no control over the fucking rain.

Most of the songs in 2 are pretty good, and the villain is fun. But the rest is mediocre unless you're a furry who wants to fuck one of the lions.

I'll never stop loving this song though. How many movies get two villain songs?
youtube.com/watch?v=6seKIOHbs4E

>20 extra Hyenas
Nigga there was clearly far more than that

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whats so good about zira that people remembers her?
i legit only remember the not so evil simba guy.

She's got a lot of smug anger along with weird creepy kindness toward Kovu that people entertaining, that, and her villain song is pretty damn cool.

youtube.com/watch?v=yJGqxf86cZs

she was the first introduction to a mommy-dom for a lot of people

Zira wasn't there when Scar confessed to the murder. As far as she knows, Simba waltzed in, murdered the legitimate ruler, and took over. Since everyone there was pissed about the drought and blamed Scar, Zira doesn't believe them when they told her that Scar confessed to the murder. She's pissed off and holds onto that anger for YEARS.

We don't see her really interact with the others but she's leading them so they probably like her. They are living a hard scrabble life out in the wastes. She also loves her children, even if she's a shit mom.

Her song is really nice.

And she has a sexy voice.

2 is the essence of mediocrity. Haven't seen 1 1/2.

Two was unusually good for a direct-to-video sequel, the rest are your typical cash grab-tier.

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2 is alright. downright good if you compare it to other Disney sequels. And it makes sense in some way.

First Lion King was an adaptation of Hamlet. Lets do another Shakespeare adaptation for the sequel.

Shakespeare is gay, would rather have an adaption of classical play like Οἰδίπους Τύραννος instead.

Based BR poster

2 is like a mix of Romeo and Juliet with Lady MacBeth as the villain.

For a DTV sequel 2 is good. Basically an A03 fic, but good

All the little girls loved Kovu, no wonder there's so many girl furries who draw faces like OP's pic nowadays.

The Lion King = Do you like Hamlet?
The Lion King 2 = Do you like Romeo and Juliet?
The Lion King 1 1/2 = Do you like Rosencratz and Guilderstern are Dead?

2 is good but the romance makes me cringe now. Probably because I've grown up.

3 is basically funny af and you should watch it only for the comedy jokes, Pumbaa and Timon's backstories are only shoe-ins for the humour

I'm sorry, how does 2 contradict the first? And how does lion guard contradict everything, I don't understand

Oh god I am such an idiot I have just realized the parallels to Shakespeare wtf

IMO the romance is fine for a kids movie, always thought it was a very innocent little crush situation barring that one creepily suggestive line from Kovu about starting a pride or some shit.

yeah, I feel very stupid right now

Stop staring at me like that already, I’ll suck your dick

>>wants to kill your daddy

N-nani??

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Two is better than it has any right to be but doesn't have as strong a soundtrack as the first film and is a little bit cringe in some areas. 1 1/2 is fun for what it is. I recommend them.

This.

Kiara a cute

>2 is good.

Yes.

>Zira is a better villain than Scar.

I don't know about that.

>HOLD THE PICKLES

>I'm sorry, how does 2 contradict the first?
Different baby, scar loyalists are nowhere to be found even though they are almost half of all lions.

>But the rest is mediocre unless you're a furry who wants to fuck one of the lions.

Furries, in my Yea Forums?
Perish the thought.

Mommy dom?
Post examples.

This is a Christian image board.

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It would have made sense if they didn't change Kovu's backstory at the last second.
Zira and Scar were Kovu's parents,, but because that would make him and Kiara cousins, they had to have him mention Scar wasn't his Dad and how the fuck he ended up being Scar's favourite is left a mystery

Sauce?

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2 is good. 1/2 is alright if you're just looking for laughs.

I've posted this before, but I'll repost:

Lion King 2 sucks. Kiara is an insanely boring protagonist, Kovu overcomes all his evil brainwashing in about five minutes and is generally useless, and Zira's a dull moustache-twirler. The songs are nothing special, aside from "We Are One."

Kovu's supposed connection to Scar is also completely nonsensical.

He's obviously supposed to be Scar's son, but then the scriptwriters realized that him falling for Kiara would be incestual, so they changed it at the last minute.

So you have this weird dynamic where Kovu's basically just some random defector, but everyone is acting like he's Satanspawn and he spouts weird dialogue like "Scar wasn't my father, but he's still part of me and his darkness is in me blah blah blah", which makes no sense. If Kovu's not related to Scar; how could Scar's "darkness" be in him? If anything, it'd be Zira's darkness. She's his evil psycho-bitch mother, after all.

Wow I like the romance more now. Kiara and Kovu's voice actors had pretty good chemistry.

It's some biblical shit where the drought only happened because a bad leader was there.

>The songs are nothing special, aside from "We Are One."

youtube.com/watch?v=HrMRmEeCfJM

>See you later, agitator!

>If Kovu's not related to Scar; how could Scar's "darkness" be in him?

Scar raped him when he was a baby

There were no other males. He's either Scar's or Simba's. Or Zira randomly kidnapped him from a different pride.

Also, Simba and Nala are probably half siblings or cousins too.

My question is if the cub born at the end of the live action LK will be Kiara or Kopa

Also is the Timon and Pumbaa show and 1.5 canon to begin with?

I think it's more accurate to say that the lion king movies are for children and aren't meant to accurately represent how real lion societies/sex hierarchies work.

Deception...DISGRACE!

Even ignoring biology, we see the entire pride in both movies. There are no other males. Just Mufasa, Scar and Simba.

And as the other user was pointing out, it makes more poetic and thematic sense for Kovu to be Scar's son.

Could've just been other male lions from outside the pride, maybe kovu was brought in as a cub by a lioness outside the pride, but again, I don't think scientific accuracy is the point, you could literally just make up any old shit to excuse it.

As it was, Simba and Nala would most likely have been half siblings in the first movie, but you're just not really meant to think about it that way because its a kids movie.

Bonzai clearly tells Scar that the lionesses won't go out hunting. Did you even watch the first movie?

Considering that Mufasa was king and all, wouldn't Nala have to be one of his daughters with oen of the other lionesses and thus, Simba's sister? She definitely didn't come from Scar, though if she had, she would've still been his cousin.

Changing Kovu's origin to avoid incest kind of falls off to the wayside once you realize that it's impossible for Simba and Nala to not be related.

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And even more than that. Scar had a fucking army. Don't know why he even bothered with the lions, probably could've just waged war on Pridelands.

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think that was more just for the sake of the visuals than reality.

>Could've just been other male lions from outside the pride
The pridelord kills cubs that aren't his
Usually when a pridelord is replaced the new one murders all the old one's offspring

> The pridelord kills cubs that aren't his

Wow almost like the childrens talking animal movie isn't meant to be realistic or something.

Also even from that POV, female lions can and do get away with bringing in cubs from different prides/other lions, as long as they can adequately pretend that the cub is the pride leaders.

or they're females of a certain age since it's just another one added to the harem

Ok can someone explain how this show is animated, this is definitely not traditional since I can see static bits and pieces, is this 3d cg or 2d skeletal animation?

I mean how is anyone surprised that trying to write a sequel to what is basically Hamlet for Furries is gonna be a fucking incest mess

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Guess that lording over bunch of weird pseudo-dicked cat-wolves wasn't enough to satisfy his ego

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I feel like that's a bit of a stretch, I assume it's just an on the nose symbol for Scar's rule being Bad and Deadly, as well as adding some pressure (though if Simba had to start being king immediately in such a hard time rather than shit magically clearing up that'd be hard on everyone). If the ancestors were killing off all of Pride Rock just for Scar (+hyenas maybe) that'd be real fucked up.

...Define "good".

No

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More under a rock than stupid, LK is very often compared to hamlet, more than Avatar (the alien movie) and pocahontas (the disney movie).

>Everything is canon except for this one scene because I don't want to believe it

sad cuck go back to star wars

THATS MY LULLABYYYYYYY

Cousins is not incest

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Just because it isn't illegal in places doesn't make it not incest.

>land of the free
>in most states you can't even marry your first-cousins

Explain this, Americans.

I want to put a saddle on Scar and ride him like a horsey.

stop with these bedroom eyes, i'm blushing

Come to think of it, isn't aren't these films (probably) unintentionally pro-racial segregation as fuck?
>evil lions have darker fur than good ones
>ze racially pure lion patriarchy (where only sublion prey item [clearly a metaphor slaves] and handful of uncle toms are allowed to live with them) goes to shit as soon as a dark furred lion lets matriarchal hyenas live in there
>disencourages inter-racial relationships by showing the hero having a relationship with his equally racially pure half-sister

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Its interesting to me the amount or normies and semi-normies I’ve met who freely express this in conversation.

Or maybe I’m just a freak magnet.

That song is genuinely a very good one. Sounds especially psychotic in Italian.

Lion Guard is bad I pretend it doesn't exist
LK2 is really good
1.5 is also good as in it's basically a giant shitpost of a film and that's great

spotted hyenas can look so cute.

but no, let's make them cackling villains!

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The hyenas literally act like subhuman under 100 IQ savages tho.

DISGRAAAAAAAACE

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The Lion Guard not being a full retcon and still having Kiara in it makes this possibly awkward in the future when these kids grow a bit older and watch The Lion King 2 which is set after the series and go:
Where the fuck is Kion? I think he'd have some strong thoughts about all this business of his sister wanting to fuck the enemy lion? Did he get kicked out? Did he die? He's pretty important to the family and to the whole pridelands right?
Disney is totally not going to show a grown up Kion at any point without fans bringing this up.

Looks skeletal to me.

Evil as plain as the scar on his face

>2 and the cartoon
Which cartoon? The Timon and Pumbaa spin-off or Lion Guard?

>1.5 is also good as in it's basically a giant shitpost of a film and that's great

LK is based on Hamlet, LK2 is based on Romeo and Juliet, and LK1.5 is based on Rosencrantz and Guildenstern are Dead.

So you pretty much nailed it.

Are you a fan or futas?

No it's a thing. Whenever I've heard both sexes talk about the sequel (most normies have watched it as kids at some point) Kovu being a hot lion is always brought up, hell, it's what most people seems to remember about it.

He's if Scar and Simba had a baby. He has everything going for him.

1.5 is god tier yes

Operating under the assumption that Rafiki is legitimately insane elder deity who commands fear and respect from the other animals and is friends with the fucking King while being s skilled enough to utilize martial arts, teleportation and summonings makes the movie more interesting.

Personally I prefer striped ones.

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He's off on a vacation.

the Lion Guard leaves the pridelands on missions all the time. After Kovu grows up, the whole plot of the Lion King II takes place over the course of max a week. Its believable the Lion Guard was off on some peace keeping mission for over a week. Then Kion shows up and finds out his sister is sleeping with the enemy I guess.

This is a show that went out of its way to establish Nala has a father than isn't Scar so Simba and Nala aren't related

It is interesting how such an interesting animal has got such bad reputation while stuff like lions get, well, lionized.