Why not just give him the shitty scroll that meant nothing? Why'd the turtle prolong such a useless drama? Why raise the boy and break his bones in training and then tell him he's not good enough?
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Why not just give him the shitty scroll that meant nothing? Why'd the turtle prolong such a useless drama...
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Hudson Nelson
He would have still thrown an autist fit. Most likely would have thought it as them fucking with him and to tell them to give him the REAL scroll
Mason Gonzalez
Did they even know that the scroll was blank?
Brandon Butler
Oogway used the metaphor of the peach tree to say that Tai Lung was a bad seed from the start. No matter what they did they couldn't change destiny.
Angel James
So no matter how Shifu raised him, he'd always end up bad?
Jeremiah James
Did him getting the scroll change anything OP?
Did he suddenly turn into a really nice guy?
OP can you let me know, it seems that at least one of us didn’t actually watch the movie
Jackson Thompson
No, they didnt know
Julian Campbell
>Did him getting the scroll change anything OP?
He gave up, he knew punching the panda was not doing shit so he just landed some blows to get his anger out, he was crying like a bitch at the finger hold, didn't think they'd kill him
Ethan Ross
thats fucked up
Nicholas Ortiz
No the fuck he didn't. He was talking about Pō being the dragon warrior. Oogway could have easily taken five minutes out of his little visits to Shifu when Tai was around to tell him to maybe reign it in a bit. The fucker was just too high on his cosmic bullshit to bother trying.
Jonathan Hernandez
Tai Lung wasn't part of the turtle's masterplan. The turtle knew about the peacock and his destiny. He knew about the panda's chi abilities and probably saw Po in the village. It's a decent story if you fill in some of the blanks.
Isaiah Foster
THANK YOU
Yes, this, this, this!
Fucking pricks is what they were.
Nathaniel Taylor
Do you REALLY think Po was more deserving of the scroll than Tai-Lung, who trained his ENTIRE LIFE to be worthy of it?
Po literally spent less than a week training, he lucked into the position and was filled with magical bullshit powers.
Its such a fucked up lesson to tell to kids, that some people are just 'destined' to be better than others, you can tell it was written by a god damn jew.
Anthony Long
Rich people will ALWAYS claim to be naturally superior to other people, its how they maintain their power and justify doing things that moral people won't do.
Caleb Barnes
Tai Lung would have made a good, if stern, ruler. Did you also notice how all the 'peasants' were literally cattle? pigs, ducks, sheep?
Jordan Stewart
Its okay officer, I'm (rich) jewish!
Aiden Garcia
Since he had the proper reaction to the scroll being empty, yes. The point wasn't about training, it was about having the maturity to handle the power and responsibility properly. If Tai Lung was as good a person as these threads claim, he would not have gone berserk when denied in the first place and meditated on why he wasn't worthy. Then take the steps to earn it. I admit where his teacher fucked up was not preparing him better for disappointment, but the rest was on him.
Caleb Campbell
It was a title that would have been ruined by him.
Ethan Young
Kung fu masters are known to be duplicitous assholes.
Jack Ward
OP is saying they should've showed him the scroll at the beginning instead of inadvertently saying "you ain't good enough to be the dragon warrior, kid!".
but if he knew then why let shifu train the kid believing if he trains hard enough, he can be the dragon warrior.
you forgot that he spent in solitary for years without even a peep from shifu and after all that time, he gets a "we found the true dragon warrior" telegram. also all the meditation wouldn't do squat if he doesn't realize the secret is "it's just you all along". he'd probably think he just needs to train harder.
Colton Taylor
Oh horseshit, the entire system was designed to propagate those who were already in a position of theocratic power.
It was literally a parlor trick of designed to prey on the superstition and mysticism of the people to maintain their power. Ugway knew the scroll meant nothing, he knew their philosophy was hollow and meant nothing, it was just a means of keeping people in check and perpetuating the myth of 'heroic destiny' used to justify their monopoly on power, allowing HIM to pick who the dragon warrior was.
Noah Gray
>So tai lung was always going to be bad?
>No, I mean po is always going to be a clumsy fatty. You have to try and find a way to make him a clumsy fatty who is good at kung fu. Its a metaphor, the comparison breaks down after a while.
>Oh...
>Tai Long is a violent criminal because you relentlessly trained him in violence and taught him love and parental approval is by being the dragon warrior, a position chosen by almost supernatural means and therefore impossible to earn.
>You were a horrible parent, shifu. The fact that Tai has still not defied anything you taught him shows that you yourself are an amoral person and the only thing keeping you from actually being like tai lung is the idea who have that you must always do as I say. This isn't a metaphor, you are a horrible person who knows how to punch well.
>Anyway, I'm off to go to the spirit realm. You can have my job and my stick with the bottle gord. Might want to brush up on what morality is before raising another sociopath. Oogway, out!
Juan Price
The dragon warrior was a pawn, the senseis were the ones who controlled everything. He was an elaborate show pony created for propaganda, he never had any true power, its only through the unreliable narration of the storyteller that po is somehow 'deserving' of the title.
Jonathan Morales
Oogway was as much responsible for the problem as shifu was.
Jonathan Lopez
Did you know the scene of him ruining the town was added in because they felt that he did nothing wrong
Adam Cooper
I know why i cry at that scene now.
Nathaniel Rodriguez
I just don't think this is the kind of lesson we should teach kids.
Brayden Lee
>be told by your parent you deserve something
>parent trains you hard
>practically break yourself training to live up to your parent's expectations
>go with your parent to talk to the head guy to get what you have been told your entire life you deserve
>head guy tells you that you don't deserve it
>parent does nothing
I'm not surprised he got angry. If you worked your ass off for a paycheck then your boss said "sorry you aren't worthy" you'd be pretty pissed too.
Nicholas King
>Shifu proceeds to do practically the exact same thing with Tigress
Elijah Ortiz
Eastern autism. They're all about deferance and talking around stuff, never being direct.
Henry Russell
tigress had it even worse because this time, shifu never showed her (and the rest) any love and support. probably the only reason why she didn't go off the deep end when she wasn't chosen was she had a support group (the rest of the five) while tai lung had none.
John Garcia
The third movie had a decent idea, but the abundance of pandas killed it. It was all slapstick all the time.
Anthony Lewis
are there actual dragon people in this setting?
Brody Jones
>Po literally spent less than a week training, he lucked into the position and was filled with magical bullshit powers.
No he wasn't. He was simply better at kung fu than the other. They fought and Po won.
Noah Reed
He let Shifu train Tai Lung to make him a good teacher,so he could train the Dragon Warrior.
Austin Sanders
Daily reminder that Tai Lung killed nobody, and had no plans to take over the world or doing anything evil. His only goal was to get a blank piece of paper he was told had something amazing written on it, and Po murdered him in cold blood.
Carson Diaz
He was a low IQ bitch nigga
Jace Sanchez
Because Tai Lung was evil. Everyone but Shifu saw it.
Josiah Foster
Lets talk about a better villain instead. Like Lord Shen.
Cooper Martinez
While the "no emotional support" system was definitely something he thought of when he believed getting close to Tai was the issue, having the other 4 was clearly meant to encourage competition but Shifu was sure Tigress would succeed.
Asher Morris
>told a panda will be his downfall
>genocides the pandas, setting in motion the events that would lead Po right to him and eventually be his downfall
Self-fulfilling a prophecy against you by accidently ensuring it is a weird concept.
Kayden Sullivan
The first show had a dragon-like demon. The second, current series had an actual dragon, but for most of the first season, was stuck as a ghost possessing a vulture until the last couple of episodes.
Ryan Fisher
Then why draw out the chase into the town and risk the citizens. Po knew the scroll was blank and still decided to play keep away long enough to destroy at least a few homes.
Austin Powell
Tai Lung killed multiple guards at the prison, but he was wrongfully imprisoned so there is that. At least the third movie confirmed the existence of an afterlife that the finger hold sends you directly to.
Aaron Morris
underrated post, tbqph
Andrew James
How can you be born evil?
Oogway and Shifu just fucked up and nobody expected him to get free.
Landon King
You have opened my eyes to the shittyness that is Shifu
Wyatt Watson
Imagine the riots after paying $14 to see the movie only to have it last 10 mins.
Julian Smith
that's even worse. you bust your ass just so you can be a stepping stone for some fat-ass chosen one.
holy crap! tai lung is kaioh!
Tyler Barnes
But it was executed very well, just like how master rhino was executed.
Joseph Rodriguez
Tai Lung was inherently a jerk. He and Po are opposites of each other when faced with adversity.
Po faced adversity head on, dealt with it and came out better for it.
Tai Lung threw a hissy fit and went on a rampage when he didnt get his way.
Oogway saw this.
Jose Reed
he also saw shifu was steering tai lung into that path and did nothing.
that's like someone seeing their neighbor raise their dog to be a vicious animal then goes all high and mighty when that animal bits someone.
Daniel Phillips
It can be argued back and forth about how to raise a person and how they would turn out.
Shifu raised Tai Lung like a son and he turned out to be a rampaging shit.
Shifu then raised Tigress like a unwanted redhead and she turned out to be a respectable and honorable person.
Ultimately it comes down to the individual person.
Aiden Robinson
he trained Tai Lung harder than Tigress if you're judging on their skills.
also how did tigress learn about Shifu and Tai Lung? she narrated the story to Po so she understood why Shifu is so distant.
Brody Jenkins
I would say he trained him more thoughtfully.
She lived much of her life at the temple; its enough time to piece everything together from gossip to straight up conversation with either Shifu or Oogway,
Kayden Scott
>also how did tigress learn about Shifu and Tai Lung?
Given how much Po knew about kung fu history despite never stepping foot inside of the temple, it's reasonable. Especially since Shifu is an important dude and Tai Lung was basically his son.
Gavin Cruz
Probably the only villain in the franchise that deserves empathy
Shen was a whiny power-hungry asshole that almost commited a panda genocide if it wasn't for Li Shang who brought a portion of the people to safety
Kai is just basically a shoe-in that has to feel like Thanos and can only be defeated through chi
Justin Cooper
>and risk the citizens
You mean the civilians that were very explicitly and clearly evacuated?
Charles Russell
>cold blood
>man is attacking me
>man attacked my teacher
>man attacked my friends
>man attacked various forms of law enforcement
>man attacked completely innocent civilians because he's chinese and we go through those things like gangbusters
>my self defense is cold blooded murder
Luis Anderson
I think you might be reading to much into this childrens movie.
>youtube.com
Christian Reyes
I hate how they resolved Tai Lung's relationship with Shifu, by redirecting it to Po's shitty Jack Black jokes.