Indisputable fact: The comfiest Spider-Man by far is the Lee/Romita run

Hobgoblin isn't from that run. Stern created him over a decade later, you might think that because Romita's son probably drew him.

My bad. I got messed up there. I stand by the rest of my original post. It's been a while since I've read the entire run but I do enjoy it abt as much as Ditko Spidey

>Hobgoblin

That was Romita Jr.

Romita Sr had a few others though, namely the Shocker and Prowler.

But his biggest contribution was probably Mary Jane.

>I agree Ditko created a lot more which is partly due to more 1-part stories. But fair, I'll backtrack a bit

Ditko's hot streak was ridiculous not just compared to later Spider-Man writers but to any other superhero writer.

ASM1: The Chameleon
ASM2: The Vulture and The Tinkerer
ASM3: Doctor Octopus
ASM4: Sandman
ASM6: The Lizard
ASM9: Electro
ASM10: The Enforcers
ASM13: Mysterio
ASM14: Green Goblin
ASM15: Kraven
ASM20: Scorpion
ASM25: Spider Slayer
ASM28: Molten Man

All in a 30 month period.

It takes years, even decades, for another superhero to rack up a rogues gallery like that.

It definitely does foster a strong, comfy feeling of nostalgia for a time that I wasn't even alive for. It's up there at the very least as a top 5 ASM run for me.

Why did you forget him, Yea Forums?

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Lonesome Pinky! I have all his self-produced tapes!

>round wooden table
Pretty certain that was a reel for electrical cable. It was almost standard issue for guys' apartments.

Yep. I was btfo. Sorry anons. Still a fan of the run tho. Top tier Spidey overall

The transition from Ditko to Romita feels odd, because what feels like character development and Peter opening up to others is really a transition in writing styles. But it works.

I'd argue that Romita not just just set up Peter's romances with Gwen and Mary Jane but also made Peter's sidecast one of the most memorable and likeable.

ASM41: Rhino
ASM46: Shocker
ASM50: Kingpin
ASM56: Cpt Stacy
ASM73: Silvermane
ASM78: The Prowler
ASM101: Morbius

All that plus really fleshing out Peter's supporting cast. Ditko was incredibly talented at creating characters, but Romita was no slouch.

I think it really fits because a lot of anti-social high schoolers open up after going to college the way Peter did.

Morbius was Gil Kane, not Romita.

You're right, my bad. I just lumped all post-Ditko Lee under Romita.

Roger Stern/Romita Jr. was always my favorite run. Followed by Conway/Romita Sr. (And Kane/Andru). Then Lee/Romita Sr. and after that Ditko/Lee.

Ditko/Lee did a hell of great job creating a “base” to grow on but I never liked how angry Parker was at the time, nor did I like Ditko’s art. His Dr. Strange art was superb but I always thought his ASM work was drab and ugly.

To be fair, Romita worked as art director at Marvel and had a hand in the creation of many characters he didn't draw in the pages themselves. He's a created co-creator for The Punisher, Wolverine and Luke Cage for this reason.

For me the definitive Spidey is ASM #1-151, that encompasses Ditko, Romita, the Death of Gwen and the 70s until the original Clone Saga.

That's a great era, but I would argue ASM #224-350/SSM #103-155 is more inconsistent, but has higher highs. In there you've got everything Stern, Alien Suit Saga, Peter David, Kraven's Last Hunt, Conway, and Michelinie before it got really dumb.

Same here.

Everything you ever wanted from Spider-Man is in the first 150 issues. And really, the death of Gwen Stacy with MJ closing that door at the end, that's about the perfect ending to the Spider-Man Bildungsroman.

Also Hammerhead, Rose, Robbie Robertson, Sha Shan

I guess I was only thinking about when Romita was working with Lee. I always assumed Robertson and Hammerhead were Conway's babies (alongside Tarantula and Tombstone) because whenever he comes back to write he will always take any opportunity to have them feature.

Romita is a much better artist than Ditko. I'm not afraid to say it.

He's a better artist but I think Ditko is the better designer.

Yeah, I can agree with that. Ditko created it, Romita perfected it.

Jazzy John is a much better draftsman, but Ditko was more inventive.

You can tell in the way they drew Doc Ock. Ditko used Ock's tentacles to create extreme depth in his panels. There are a lot of shots with Ock's tentacles stretching way out into the foreground or shooting out at weird angles. Romita's Ock just had the generic spaghetti tentacles that every artist since has done.

But Romita's art is so fucking gorgeous that it's joyous to read in a way that Ditko's isn't. He could have done a mag that only focused on Peter Parker and his supporting cast, with zero Spider-Man, and it would have been aces.

>He could have done a mag that only focused on Peter Parker and his supporting cast, with zero Spider-Man, and it would have been aces.

That's true; it's mainly cause he worked on romance comics prior to going back to Marvel in the 60's.

>He could have done a mag that only focused on Peter Parker and his supporting cast, with zero Spider-Man, and it would have been aces.
I'd love that. Archie comics: Marvel style. Romita did draw the prettiest girls

I was thinking. Would Denzel make for a good Robbie Robertson?

Has Denzel ever given a bad performance?
Even in awful movies, he gives 100%.

I'm not disputing his acting talent, just wondering if he fits the character naturally.
YT been giving me interviews with him in my recommendations and he sure seems like the kinda chill, wise elder that'd be perfect.
Also, other than JK Simmons, obviously, who would be a good JJJ, especially if he and Denzel would have to play off of each other?

>107012747
for me, it's idris alba

I would add Spectacular 63-100. Mantlo and then Milgrom with the whole Black Cat stuff and the war of Otto vs Owl. Personal favourite.

Denzel for Blue Marvel

Idris would also be really good, plus he might actually do it as opposed to Denzel who's in the absolute upper tier of actors and doesn't really do genre films. For reference he's currently working on a film adaptation of Macbeth as Macbeth.

I would only really include the Owl/Octopus War from #73-79. Other than that there wasn't really much to write home about, and Pete/Felicia's relationship under Milgrom was pretty bad.

more like, Blacbeth. hehehehe

That would be Gwen Stacy

SPIDER

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THOTS

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Conway > Lee

The problem with Elba is he's already got a role in the MCU. Also a bit young for what I imagine Robbie to be.
As for upper tier, I mean, Anthony Hopkins played Odin, and Denzel does stuff like the Equalizer. Not to mention that while it might be a genre flick, it's also Spider-Man, so it would really depend on whether he grew up on Ditko/Lee/Romita/Conway Spidey or not. I mean, he's in the right demographic.

this page is pure unfiltered K I N O
look at the colors. just delightful. just groovy, man.

>The problem with Elba is he's already got a role in the MCU
user, I...

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The old Parker luck

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>I mean, Anthony Hopkins played Odin
Anthony Hopkins is remembered for the few amazing roles he's had, but he has made quite a living off of being in schlock.

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The first third of JMS's run was pretty cozy.

If you ignore everything from Sins Past onward, it's a top tier run

JRJR is such a perfect artist to look at if you want to know how digital coloring killed comics.

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He was at his best when he'd gotten his blocky style down with 90s coloring.

But honestly, that image looks weird cause he drew MJ's cheek too large for some reason.

It looks weird because she has an exaggerated, forced smile for comedic effect (having just been incredibly embarrassed in front of Peter)

I'm just gonna say it, I like Sins Past even though the plot is garbage. JMS is a great storyteller. This infamous page is better constructed than anything in Slott's run and you know it was because of the explicit paneling in the script.

Also, it helps I didn't ever really give a shit about Gwen. "She was a stiff, so we made her one."

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It's still a dick move by a writer.
Party foul, all around.

>What do you think, Statler? You we need another comfy Spider-Man run?
>Are you kidding? I'd sell my marriage to the devil for it.
>OHOHOHOHO!

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It wasn't JMS' call. Quesada came up with the plot. Sins Past was the beginning of the era of JMS' run where he was constantly wrapped up in editorially mandated events and decisions. There's a good chance OMD wouldn't happened if it wasn't for Civil War.

It's amazing what how the standards for what's bad have changed. When I was a kid this comic was a Titanic level disaster. The reaction to it was insane, it was by far the most controversial comic in years and fans lost their minds and seriously went in on Marvel for disrespecting their fans and legacy. It probably wouldn't be in Marvel bottom 5 this year.

I (the first and last of your replies) never defended Sins Past. It's terrible. I was explaining the behind the scenes reasons for why it happened. Only liked it, and only because it was a competent execution of a terrible idea.

>you know it was because of the explicit paneling in the script.

a standard ass 3 rows of panels?

And even then the middle row is just one picture cut by panels.
There's probably SOMETHING going on with the shutters and the Osborn hair, but it's thin.

I didn't say or think that you did. I was just commenting on how comic readers have changed and the reaction to Sins Past is a good example

What?

Problem was, there were some really bad comics out that same year as Sins Past, too:

Avengers Disassembled
Identity Crisis
Batman: War Games

I can't believe what a shitshow that year was for those big event stuff.

Dont blame JMS

We've seen shit, man.
Changed us.

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You did imply that "kids these days" have such warped taste from bad comics that they don't hate Sins Past as much as they used to, which isn't true. It's still seen as one of Spider-Man's worst stories. That one user is an outlier.

Let it be known that on this day OP was not a fag

The decision to undo the Parker marriage and devolve Peter Parker into a basement dwelling loser is the biggest slap in the face an editor has ever given.

>devolve Peter Parker into a basement dwelling loser
At the very least this stopped being true in Big Time. I genuinely like a lot of Slott's run between then and Spider-Island. It's dumb that he couldn't just do that same story with MJ there, but here we are.

>The first third of JMS's run was pretty cozy.
which part? the totem hunting giga vampire? the fact that spider-man is some mystical spider-totem? the part where dr doom cries about 9/11? the school shooter at peter's high school?

>At the very least this stopped being true in Big Time.
Only to a certain extent.

>I like Sins Past
>This infamous page is better constructed than anything in Slott's run
Wow. We have reached levels of contrarianism and Slott-butthurt never before seen. I'll tell my grandkids I was in this thread.

Those are all in the first third so obviously all of the above

yea. so comfy. JMS being good is the biggest meme this board forces. supreme power is the only thing he ever did worth reading

None of those are bad besides Doom's tears and that can be excused because everyone irl was still in shock when it was made.

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oh and surfer: parable. forgot that was by him

er, meant to say requiem. i'll see myself out

Juggernaut being shown mourning with Kingpin, Magneto and DOOM is pretty hilarious when you remember he once destroyed the WTC himself

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I liked Rising Stars...shame about all the delays but it was pretty good once it was done.

I don’t know why anyone bothers to struggle through the shittier runs of ASM, everything from Ditko/Lee all the way through Stern was fantastic and even the issues after that were un up until around issue 300. That’s decades of material, no need to sift through the later shit.

>we’re *fun up until...

Why didn't peter get a spidercycle?

I give up, fuck you autocorrect!

>I don’t know why anyone bothers to struggle through the shittier runs of ASM
characterfags

Oh yeah...them. It’s funny; ASM was so consistently great that it probably birthed encouraged a good number of characterfags. ASM made it easier to be characterfag than even Batman/Detective Comics.

In general Spider-man was always good to read even if it had hiccups until the late 90s when suits were in complete control and were trying to milk the books for cash they burned.
I always wonder what the comic industry would have look like if that damn buyout never happened.

Which one, the 1989 buyout that led to Marvel being taken public and sold as tradable stock or the 00's Disney buyout? I think both did harm to Marvel.

How is it not completely true? Literally the entire theme of Big Time was that he had finally "made it." A realistic good end to Peter's life would be with him at a place like Horizon. He'd just also be married to MJ.

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>I don’t know why anyone bothers to struggle through the shittier runs of ASM
You're the one insisting that JMS' run is shitty. It had excellent characterization and really examined Peter's relationship with his cast and his responsibilities in a way that hadn't been done before. It even leaves ambiguity as to whether Peter's powers were *actually* totem based.
>everything from Ditko/Lee all the way through Stern was fantastic
Gonna doubt you there on shit like O'neil

Doesn't Peter run away from his personal problems post-Big Time?

I've said it a bunch but I do think it could've worked as a spider-girl plot, hell they could still be peters kids squirreled away by osborn to be a villain for mayday

He does, but that's why I said I enjoyed the Big Time era and not the ones that followed Superior.

He’s old. Most actors when they reach his age say “fuck it” and play roles that would be career killers when they were young for fun.

>[on his role in Jaws: The Revenge (1987)] I have never seen it, but by all accounts it is terrible. However, I have seen the house that it built, and it is terrific.
-Michael Caine

O’Neil was something like 14 or 15 issues... out of nearly 300, hardly a blip on the radar.

In all honesty, I dropped ASM before JMS even arrived on the scene. I left somewhere around the time symbiotes started to multiply, Peter’s parents came back.

Only perused through JMS stuff after it was over and couldn’t find anything remotely interesting. Is JMS the worst Spider-Man writer in history? No, not at all but he had some questionable plots and Quesada’s influence made the situation abysmal.

>O’Neil was something like 14 or 15 issues... out of nearly 300, hardly a blip on the radar.
There was also Wolfman and Wein who were pretty mediocre..
>Only perused through JMS stuff after it was over and couldn’t find anything remotely interesting.
Did you actually read them or did you just google the plot summaries? JMS's strengths all lie in the actual execution.

I actually have a soft spot for Wein and Wolfman but, at their absolute worst, they were dull. Can you say the same for JMS at his worst?

Hell, the aforementioned O’Neil was mediocre but it didn’t inspire the amount of vitriol that the worst aspects of JMS’s run did. ..and, again, I don’t consider JMS the worst of the worst.

It’s clear we are not going to agree on this topic, so let’s just drop it.

I really enjoyed the Busiek "Untold Tales of Spider-Man" series after reading it as a kid. Anyone here know what I'm talking about? I never see it discussed anywhere.

Yeah, that series was great. Definitely one of the highlights of the 90s.

>107018182
I think it might have been one of my earliest introductions to Spider-Man comics, and maybe comics in general. That, along with Spider-Girl and Marvel Adventures.
Man, Spidey has a lot of good stories under his belt.

Pinky was such a bro, his voice was god awful however...

They released the whole run in an omnibus back in 2012.

I bought it but only made it halfway through before other shit came out. I bought three Spidey omnis that spring, the other two were ASM Vol 2 and USM. Of course they never released a second volume of USM for some reason and when they finally rolled out ASM Vol 3 I couldn't afford it until it was OOP.

WHATS WRONG WITH YOUR FACE

Peter started aging during the Ditko run (despite his protests).

>Avengers Disassembled
That one made me sick to my stomach from how bad it was, I remembered reading the west coast avengers and loved the introduction of the great lake avengers, and how while they were an unconventional team, they still took their work and name seriously and got the job done. Avengers dissambled turned them into shitty reality show with a bunch of useless assholes and comedy that doesn't work, all while shitting on their characters, its just utter and complete shit...

Sorry to hear that, user. Problems with getting the right collections or finding ones that are out of print make me think that digital comics might be the move

All of Marvel aged during that time. In the 60s everything happened in real time. When a month passed irl a month passed in the comics.

It was around 1966 that it stopped. It was a hot topic of discussion in the letter pages at the time, at least in ASM.

God, I hated this issue. I don't think I can name a more boring Spidey mag.

I love the moment at the end where Norman is falling off the building and Spider-Man catches him. One of those great scenes of retroactive foreshadowing.

I need 2 and 3. They are reprinting 1 this June so maybe 2 and 3 will follow. I dunno why they are wasting time with a John Byrne Spider-Man omni when they could be printing stuff that's actually worth reading.

1 always seems to be popping back into print, and 2 got a reprint a few years ago as well. But if they release an ASM Epic Vol 5 I might go for it in the meantime.