What was he trying to do by writing on the walls at the end?

He was probably hoping the wall would open up a la Harry Potter's Diagon Alley and he could escape.

I was just surprised he still had two eyes. I guess the eye of sin was kind enough to regenerate his old eye that it replaced

Sivana did nothing wrong.

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The story The Wizard tells Billy via hologram is Black Adam releasing The Seven Deadly Sins from their original prison to kill millions, possibly the enemies of Kandaq.

Wonder why they were so comparatively weak in Shazam then

This.

What the actual fuck is Johns trying to accomplish

In fact, you can see Black adam's origin in Curse of the Shazam too. The point is he was kinda evil, killing a kid and stuff.

What the fuck is Adam up to these days? Did he resurrect? In what comics did he appear?

Ah that time superman nearly beat the wizard to death

He was already going to be a dick in life with or without The Wizard thanks to his upbringing. The Sins chose Sivana because of what they saw in him. Furthermore, the accident wasn't The Wizard's fault either.
From what we know the other members of the wizard council were killed by The Sins, and Black Adam (given the info we have) didn't do a damn thing to stop them. It's likely that The Eye was a last minute creation to contain The Sins, using a lot of The Wizards own power to create.
He's been in several stories since if you'd bother to keep up with anything

HEE HEE HO HO HAWW HEE

I wonder how they're gonna turn him into an anti-hero since "killing millions" isn't exactly a heroic.

Hope it isn't WWIII all over again but in ancient times.

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>Furthermore, the accident wasn't The Wizard's fault either.

The accident itself wasnt, but like Sivanna said, a magic wizard telling an already depressed and sad little boy that he "will never be good enough" just made his life even worse and made him grow bitter and full of hate. If the Wizard wasnt such a dick he could have taught Sivanna things and nurtured him into a good person.

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>He was already going to be a dick in life with or without The Wizard thanks to his upbringing
Oof
>Furthermore, the accident wasn't The Wizard's fault either.
Just cringe

that's the problem with the choosing

there was LITERALLY no one but Billy, kind of a little shit himself, that fit the standards? Yeah it works out for him but I just can't buy this >a singlular being pure of heart
stuff

>I wonder how they're gonna turn him into an anti-hero since "killing millions" isn't exactly a heroic.
Black Adam really is the Namor of DC.

In the movie Billy only gets the powers be default because the wizard was desperate? He doesnt get the 7 deadly sins test that everyone else got, and the wizard just hands over his powers.

>the accident wasn't The Wizard's fault either
I'm just going to ditch a kid back into a car from a fantastical rock floating in the middle of nowhere. I'm sure he won't spazz out or anything.
Wizard could've at least waited until they were at gramps place or wherever.

We could get the wizard seeing he was wrong if he was not dead. The comics did something similar, showing the wizard Shazam with regret over punishing Pandora, so he can see the error of his ways. After he meets Billy though.

The movie is kinda rushed, it's supposed to be just good fun

The Wizard had the misguided search via spell mentality, and didn’t think he had time for such a long term investment in a boy whom already showed great darkness within. Besides adult Sivana was projecting his hatred towards his father towards the Wizard in that scene

Not an argument. Come back when you have one
Don't assume The Wizard is all knowing. He was just constantly spamming a seeking spell bringing people there, with no context where he was pulling them from. He was only able to discover their names

How many people did the Wizard call over to the Rock of Eternity? Dozens? Thousands?

He's been doing this for thousands of years ever since Black Adam failed

>He was already going to be a dick in life with or without The Wizard thanks to his upbringing

Why summon him then

Yes.

Sivana was no less deserving than Billy was

Billy didn’t even have to do the fucking test, the Wizard just ran out of time and said “fuck it, take these powers and do something lol”

>already showed a great darkness

What? Literally every single person the wizard summoned failed that sins test. They didn’t all “show a great darkness”, it was an impossible test.

Why do you think nobody was granted the powers of Shazam since Black Adam in the movie? Because the test is impossible.

Billy got the powers because he didn’t have to pass a test, the Wizard was out of time and just gave them to the first person he could

His spell was flawed, as was his reasoning finding someone "pure of heart". The seeking spell was merely bringing people with great potential, whatever that meant. Sivana is a very capable and brilliant man, whom could have done great good in the world even without magic power. However he chose to resent and harbor a vendetta against his family, feeling the world owned him everything.
This is also true. However Billy fully admitted he wasn't the best choice to begin with, while young Sivana from the start wanted to show up his father
Right but in Sivana's particular circumstance he was already harboring fucked feelings that would have led him down the path of evil

Exactly, humility itself is an indication of worthiness

If Sivanna had gottem the Shazam powers, would his peak self have had hair? Or would he still have a shaved head?

This. Billy wasn't pure or perfect, as seen by the next hour of the movie where Billy is kind of a shit.

Billy was never tested. The Sins were gone.

The idea behind the wizard's test wasn't bad (lets vet the next guy before we give him magic powers) but the fact was that his test was fundamentally flawed. If the sins had been there, Billy would have failed the test too, even though we see him overcome them and defeat them later in the movie.

I like to think that EVERYONE that the seeking spell found could have been a proper champion, the test itself was just bad. You are throwing people that have never experienced magic before in their lives into the deep end of corruptive evil powers before you even tell them that these are corruptive evil powers.

Actually I just checked and he only appeared in one issue of some Forever Evil tie-in where he was resurrected and he now appeared in Doomsday Clock, the CURRENT event...

Oh wow, sure helps keeping up right? Faggot

>Don’t those only work on doors, not walls anyway?
Yes and he knows that, the scene was meant to emphasize the desperate nature of the characters situation. Trapped, his powers gone, and with no feasible escape, all he can do is write the same sequence that once gave him freedom over and over again, hoping against hope that the next line will set into motion some magic that will free him from his confinement. Even though he knows that it won't he keeps on writing anyway because he has literally nothing else to do and his inane persistence shows that he is a character unwilling to accept defeat. This makes it more exciting when the bug comes in, because you know that this guy isn't done and that he's going to take every chance he has to get his revenge.

Yeah, in the Pre-Flashpoint universe he had a great arc in JSA. In the New52 he's only beginning...

What happened to that shit "5 years ago" or something when the heroes were still starting? Shazam could definetely use that.

He killed millions to save billions

I was waiting for that.

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I assumed that the big twist was going to be related to when Billy said something to the effect of "I'm not that pure, no one is.", and it was going to be revealed that's why Billy was chosen, because he had people to share the power with, to share their virtue. That would then lead to Billy helping Sivana realize he was never "not good enough", and he would either reject it, or the demons would do their own thing, or whatever.

His young self still had a thick mop of hair so I would believe so.

This guy gets it.

I was halfway wondering if Billy was going to share the power of Shazam with Sivana at the end after some kind of cathartic resolution. After all, Billy doesn't actually know that Sivana has killed anyone, just threatened them.

And Sivana would round out the new council to 7.

>ancient wizard with knowledge beyond mere mortal comprehension is actually kind of a dumbass

This is nothing new.

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he's black what did you expect

So does anyone know why the fuck there was a reference to "The Mist"? Seems like a really fucking weird pull.

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Tbf, the wisdom of Solomon is equivalent to knowing that a mother who loves her baby wouldn’t want it to be cut in half

Solomon’s wisdom is overrated

I'm kind of glad they didn't go that route because I just don't think Billy would be the first one in all the millennia of testing to say something like that, or even to be part of a group of people who were stable enough to handle that responsibility together. The test itself was flawed because it's not a reasonable metric to test humans by, who survive together as communities, so that's enough for me.

I wouldn't have been too opposed to that with how this movie's universe was set up, but Sivana is still Sivana who's still a villain for DC, and his cold reactions to both the scientist's death and the boardroom murder scene make it hard to reconcile even here.

Black Adam's rap sheet isn't much better and he's been good before.
In any case, I've always liked sympathetic villains, even if Sivana's a nutter in the comics.

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He's was in Sinestro's solo and Doomsday Clock, fag

I liked that bit in Khandaq.

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professor sans

>You are throwing people that have never experienced magic before in their lives into the deep end of corruptive evil powers before you even tell them that these are corruptive evil powers.
That's why only the best of the best come out on top. Imagine someone who actually wins against these odds. Now that's a Champion.

Turns out nobody like that exists. Good job Wizard

To add on to reasons the wizard sucks, he just stood there and watched like a cuck when grownup Sivana took the eye of sin.

He casts a halfhearted lightning bolt AFTER Sivana has integrated the eye into his head, and gets btfo

Guys named "Thad" tend to become assholes anyway, so the wizard did nothing wrong.

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>Turns out nobody like that exists.
>in current times
Fixed. Basically we all suck now.

I was really impressed with Strong's physicality before he got powers, he sold Sivana as kinda weak and meek before powering up. and Strong's a big dude. Super impressed

See, now that's a real pro. Marvel doesn't have anything like that. None of them try or care, yet they still make the big bucks. Life just isn't fair.

Sivana wasn't the first person called to the rock of eternity, Shazam had been searching for an apprentice for a long, long time. Hundreds of years.

There was never going to be a perfect person. But it turns out that Shazam didn't need someone who was perfect, just good.

Think about it: young Sivana with the powers of Shazam would would have satisfied his envy (godlike powers mean he no longer has to be envious of his older brother) thus removing the basis of the sins to manipulate him. As a victim of bullying, he would have hated bullies.

He wanted what all young boys want: his father's approval. He could have been a fine champion. An even better one if the wizard actually taught and raised him to any degree to prepare him for his post rather than doing the destiny equivalent of a dine-and-dash.

>Shazam had been searching for an apprentice for a long, long time. Hundreds of years.
Think of this like Lord of the Rings. The best man of the time is Aragorn, but in the past everyone was so much better. Now imagine if there was no Aragorn. That's what we had to work with. Unfortunately, the people of the past aren't coming back, and there's no one who will ever be good enough anymore. But if you've lived at the time when people were better, you'd think that there's a chance people might be better again someday.

You're a fool if you ever thought pure of heart ever existed. Men are capable of both good and evil, there is no absolute born of either. It's what we choose to be, and resist temptation if we can
You have no way of knowing how Sivana would have turned out. For all we know, he could have been exactly the same, or worse. I don't think his father would have ever accepted him, perhaps instead use him. Though the test itself was flawed, Sivana at an early age harbored feelings of revenge towards his family.

>You're a fool if you ever thought pure of heart ever existed.
There's literally no reason for them not to exist in fiction. That's one of the best parts about it!

If Billy was pure of heart, people would naturally call him a mary sue

>Bible is literally Yahweh saying "don't pray to other God's or I'll fuck you over hard" over and over
>Solomon marries a queen from Ethiopia
>Starts worshipping her Gods
>Yahweh causes his kingdom to be fragmented and conquered, his temple destroyed (after he dies)
Who could have predicted this?

I actually doubt that. Firstly they'd be wrong, second, being pure of heart doesn't mean you have no weaknesses and that you'd be good at everything and that everyone would like you. In fact, I'd say most people would hate someone pure of heart in modern times.
But that wasn't really my point. My point was that MAYBE there were some people who were pure of heart in the past, which would be cool.

I can attest.

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Based Solomon wanted some dark meat

Wonder if Inertia is still stucked in that museam?

I didn't get a good look, I just assumed they gave him a glass eye

did he had the chocolate egg cream?

He got loose eventually.
It didn't end well for him.

So Sivana was running an investigation into mass hysteria as a cover for his investigation into magic, I can understand that. But if his assistant truly thought she was studying mass hysteria, how does she justify away the video that one of the subjects took of them being abducted by the wizard? There was clearly some magical bullshit happening in that scene.

Billy changed the combination.

One hell of an elaborate prank.

I like to think he did.

>how does she justify away the video that one of the subjects took of them being abducted by the wizard? There was clearly some magical bullshit happening in that scene.

Even Sivanna pointed out the digital alarm clock having symbols appear meant something and she went "lol its just a glitch it doesnt mean anything." She was probably just stupid.

Yahweh was God of War competing with other middle eastern God's at the time. He doesn't become ominipotent until Revelations

same

>I hired the dumbest sociolgist in the hopes she would never wise up.

>God doesn't become God until the end of the book

I hate origin stories.

He starts out as El and then becomes Yahweh before turning into God

It wasn't the wizards fault, I'm sure before they didnt have a test but then black Adam happened and he was just being super anal about it, once the demons got released he had to give it to Billy without the test but the search out spell was probably good enough

Some so extraordinary would be easier for the human mind to dismiss

Given everything that happened, he probably had a screw or two knocked loose.

Yeah, that's the gist of it. He never wanted a repeat of Black Adam so he unintentionally created a test that was impossible to pass before deciding the next champion. So then once Sivana gets the sins and Billy gets pulled in he has no choice but to say fuck it and give out his power.

Maybe Warner Bothers wants a DC/Stephen King cinematic universe crossover at some point. Maybe Pennywise will team up with the Antimonitor, at least we'll know if antimatter floats.

>Well, at least he knows the magic word
>Shazam?
>I said magic word, not annoying grunt!
>OHOHOHOHO!

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He wanted meat of all colors. He had a shitton of wives and concubines.

Solomon did a lot of weird things
>On a battlefield he stopped his entire army from trampling a bunch of army ants proclaiming them to be innocent and killing them, a sin.
>Spoke to birds and make them search for water.
>Copied and Created and exact copy of Bilquised throne.
>Asked Genies to help build a Castle made of Mirrors with a pool built under it, fully visible.
>Sat on his throne for years and no one realized he died until a bunch of termites ate his cane.
This is what I remember during religious studies when I was still in school.

god damn.
i mean i believe all of it except who could sit in a throne for years? must have been a comfy throne! why couldn't anyone tell he was dead unil termites ate his cane? i mean wouldn't his corpse rot and stink up the place? wouldn't flies landing on his face and eyeballs be a dead give away?
fake news

That was the point. I don't think the wizard was an asshole in the exact term of the word but he had unreachable high standards and spent thousands of years looking for the perfect human being without realizing humans are inherently flawed. Even Silvana called him out for this during the movie

Even arid heat wouldn't dry him out into jerky, especially with the organs still in the body.

Idk man Solomon was a prophet with genies, demons and birds at his side.
God probably used some air freshner on his body from time to time.

i know! shit like that is what gives it away!!!
no one can sit still for years!

youtube.com/watch?v=NqkI4VxIkX4

You gotta understand there could have been a Genie that took his place or divine intervention.
Genies are notorious shapeshifters, they can do anything and Solomon had control over all of them until they realized he died.
I also remembered that Solomon conquered the winds too.

>kids suggesting hero names to each other
>expected one to suggest captain marvel and the other to say nah
>it never happens

boo

Billy did in the comics but it got cut off.
Should be a running gag tbqh.

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So you guys want him on The Legion of Doom instead of Lex, right?

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I want both, just get a better Lex.

Captain Lasagna

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Did this happen in the movie?

Nah but he was damned well trying, just not with math.

Think about it this way

If they were running a psychological study into people who believed they were abducted by aliens, and one person shows a video of some light behind her door, noises and her alarm clock symbols changing weirdly.

What would they be more likely to believe, that it’s fake, she was tricked, or that it was actually aliens?

probably because they just got freed, still bound from residual energy from the wizards. they were limited to staying in the eye. My guess is that they wanted to consolidate their power and kill Marvel before they freed themselves of Sivanna

I mean yeah, I can believe that he unleashes the sins on Bialya to protect Kandhaq then imprison them again in the eye after they killed the wizards and a couple of million civilians

thats El Shaddai

Is Shazam somehow related to Wonder Woman and the Greek pantheon shows before in the DCEU?

I wonder if any of it will ever get brought up if Shazam and Wonder Woman meet

Seeing as mankind is susceptible to sin, the sins could probably curbstomp the average joe like in the boardroom, but against an avatar of Magic with the power of six gods/mythical beings at his disposal, they'd be more hard-pressed.

Honestly I was waiting for the sins to combine into some MegaSin demon abomination.

That would had made this movie 10/10

You have to give proves to Naamah, she was so hot that made the dick of Solomon triumph over his wisdom.

Next to no relation. The only thing they have in common is a loose connection to the Greek pantheon

He meets Mister Mind so odds are he can teach him

I agree with the test being flawed to begin with, the Champion was never going to appear because Shazam wanted someone who was perfect.

Probably because Black Adam was seduced by the Sins and caused the death of the Wizard Council much in the same way we saw Sivana being seduced minus the possessed part.

So Shazam spends so much time looking until the one kid with a good heart, capable of both and bad, tells him “people like that don’t exist anymore”.

Doing good is a choice, one that Shazam had placed his faith into Billy as a last act, one that was reciprocated in the end.

Couple of options
1. The door code was changed and he was trying to guess at the new code. Same as in comics when Billy changed the magic word for Black Adam from Shazam to Chocolate Egg Cream.

2. He learned more about magic being possessed by the seven deadly sins and was trying to use that knowledge to do something.

While the fools wasted time fighting demons the real threat is free to conquer the universe like the adorable little bastard he is.

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I was actually expecting an after credit scene of Billy walking out of the MCU Captain Marvel movie saying it was a nice name or something.