Why does every cartoon nowadays have to redeem the villain? Back then...

No thats dividing up Korea and Nam in 2.

>hitlers tumblr nose

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Hitler best gem.

Who is that?

It's a shop of Hitler being replaced with Hirohito because they were on the same side during WWII, Hirohito got off scott free when Hitler killed himself to avoid getting caught by the allied forces.

>japan
>apologizing for ww2
haha, what?

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Emperor Hirohito, Japan's 124th Emperor between 1926-1989 (his death).

Both sides did fucked up shit

True.

To be fair, what could they have done to him, trying to execute the Japanese Emperor would have every jap civilian up in arms and restart the war.

Because audiences vocally care far more about the villains than the heroes, and have expressed this sentiment for decades. It only follows that villains are frequently redeemed--regardless of how monstrous they are--since that's what it seems viewers want.

Yea, The Japanese wanted 1 thing to end the war and that was to keep the emperor, so they did.

This thread again?

Please make Stalin the next one

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Actually, none of the Japanese top chain of command received punishment, only Tojo and some low rank officers from farmer families. For example a guy like Class A war criminal Nobusuke Kishi became prime minister after the war in 2 occasions. Meanwhile the German government was dissarmed by the Nuremberg trials.

I don't know what you're talking about

I guess Yea Forums was right, it always is okay when Japan does it.

Did you change the image when you found out there's more fascists than just nazis? Retard.

Using Steven Universe as an example, look how pissy fans got when Jasper was given as close to a brutal death as the show is willing to get. Nobody would shut up about how they wanted the character to be brought back, even though they were given a really cool "death" sequence where they chose their honor over the show's usual "everyone can be redeemed by friendship" message.

This

Why would Stalin feel sorry? He didn't do anything wrong.

why does Hirohito always have the same expression on his face ?

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More like Japan killed mostly chinks and they were viewed by the west as subhumans as the japs themselves and communism made a big impact in Asia. While the nazis lost control over the country and were massacred by the soviets, Japan still had a discipline population willing to endure for their emperor so the allies accepted Hirohito's proposal of leaving things as they are for stopping the commies.

He's a god. We're just simple mortals

Steven Chamberlain

The problem within the same show is that it demonizes and heavily punishes characters who haven't done enough to deserve it, like Jasper, Bismuth, and Lars, way more than the genocidal dictators, like the diamonds, that do.

Yea Forums sure seems to like talking about Japanese war crimes a lot. If I didn't know better, I would of thought this place still thinks that Japan is a tyrannical, militaristic empire.

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>Back then, they let the bad guys die brutal and painful deaths.
Name ten kids cartoons that did that, faggot.

Uhhh....
youtube.com/watch?v=eSXNv1ksmQQ

>Because audiences vocally care far more about the villains than the heroes, and have expressed this sentiment for decades.
What makes you say that?

>He didn't do anything wrong.
Is this supposed to be a parody of a particular /pol/ meme?

>Jasper
She fucked with a corruption and got herself bubbled. Her fault.
>Bismuth
This one was because the CG's were worried about Steven, they didn't hate her at all.
> Lars
He was an asshole because of his anxiety, nobody hated him on the same level as the Diamonds.

It's a conspiracy by real world villains to condition today's youth so that when the next generation comes to inherit the world the villains will be able to get away with all the shit they've done just by faking an apology.

It's how he is often portrayed in cartoons
youtube.com/watch?v=rHzcFa2mSjU
youtube.com/watch?v=9iL_6IyH9gs
youtube.com/watch?v=9BX_jKJVcDs

Uhhh....
vimeo.com/152131584

Like I said: "Often", meaning not all the time.

>will live to see the Japanese Empire rise again
what a time to be alive.

I see then.

The point is they were all severely punished and the diamonds were let off without any punishment at all despite being way worse and deserving it more. Learn to read.

I can read just fine, you're the one accusing the show of something here. Show your working. How would you even punish the Diamonds? Oh wait you can't, because they're literally Gods.

Severely? Lars died, but not out of punishment, because of a consequence of a good deed. Jasper and Bismuth were bubbled because they were hostile, and let go when they stopped

It must suck to be Tojo and receive literally all the blame and get executed while others equally involved got off

Japan's government has issued several formal apologies, most of which are easy to find. It has paid massive amounts of reparations to both China and Korea (probably to other asian countries too, but I'm less informed about that). They paid in cash, in low(far below market average)-interest loans, and in technology transfers. Both China and Korea keep saying, "apologize Japan! why you never apologize!". Partially, they do it to distract their own populations; giving them an external enemy, so they don't go after their domestic governments. But they also want even more gibs. This pisses the Japanese off, and they respond by electing nationalists, who do symbolic things like praying at the tombs of Japanese war criminals, or saying inflammatory "Japan did nothing wrong" type of things.

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Tojo made the ultimate sacrifice for his emperor. He was a true patriot

What they really are are shitty characters.

Lars was treated like shit throughout the show, killing him was the show's way of punishing him a final time before letting him be redeemed, like many other villains who have to redeem themselves by sacrificing their life. Jasper was trapped in a forced fusion and tortured for months, corrupted, then left in a bubble. Bismuth had been bubbled for thousands of years and then was rebubbled and left like that again for no reason. Steven only every treated the diamonds like they were his sad misunderstood family.

This.

In the case of SU at least, because there's a moral to the story and it wants to teach kids to communicate to solve their problems.

First of all, he had a couple of jokes and yes, the whole finding out people didn’t like his personality was bad, the first bubbling of Bismuth was done by Rose, not Steven, and the torture of Jasper was also done by Someone else, and the corruption was her mistake, and the bubbling was what they did for every Corrupted Gem

ITT:
没有共产党就没有新中国!
没有共产党就没有新中国!
共产党,辛劳为民族。
共产党,他一心救中国。
他指给了人民解放的道路,
他领导中国走向光明!
他促成了民族大团结,
他改善了人民生活。

The emperor had nowhere near as much authority as Hitler did anyway, right? Like religiously and socially he was meant to be top shit, but ultimately the Military brass started the war and kept it running long after the emperor wanted to call it quits if I remember correctly.

Also this.

Because forgiving someone is a lot harder and more morally complex than just straight up ending them.

As a story telling device, it helps show the idea that perhaps violent solutions to a problem are, while a whole can of fucking worms to deal with, is a more fulfilling answer than violence.

Whether or you agree with it as a life philosophy is irrelevant so long as you understand these are cartoons for kids who have probably seen a billion films and cartoons where the bad guys have no depth and are killed.

It's something different, and eventually it'll go away in favor of something else. Maybe more killing.

I just want to remind everyone that Japan has successfully tricked the western world into pretending Nanking never happened

Because people with no talent think they're being visionaries by subverting tropes they don't have any business fucking with.

How many times do we have to teach you this lesson old man!?

>REEEEEEEEEEEEEEE HITLER DID NOTHING WRONG THE ALLIES WERE THE TRUE WAR CRIMINALS REEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
yikes.

Dude who cares go cry about it u big baby boo hoo

>Both sides did fucked up shit
>Somehow equates to only one side doing fucked up shit

We know about it and don’t deny it (outside Yea Forums that is) just the western world cares more about the holocaust because it happened in the western world

I love that American war crimes are so whitewashed so we always look like superheroes

No, we definitely did some fucked up shit, Hiroshima and Nagasaki for one, or maybe two

We learn about Dresden and the nukes dude, we learn about awful shot we did to blacks and natives. We hear that we went to war over oil. It’s not some America is full of roses kind of learning

They don't. Any time anyone says this it just proves to me they don't watch cartoons and are only here to shitpost

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I dont recall learning about Dresden

You're either an idiot or went to a very strange school.

Those bombings just keep being viewed more and more negatively due to peoples' fear of nuclear weapons, lack of understanding on how we viewed them at the time, and lack of understanding of WW2. Due to being prototypes we had a limited supply of, targets were a military base that had been untouched by other bombings (Hiroshima), and a major port (Nagasaki). We could have just firebombed the fuck out of them and went for the conventional land based invasion we already had planned, but the causality projection was so high we're still behind lives lost in warfare.

Also, we've lost this being about Yea Forums? Are there are WW2 comics?

Hundreds of thousands civilians died, that’s it, but hey, at least we didn’t go full blast, that definitely makes us heroes. Right?

don't know what you're talking about

So, using a scary new weapon is somehow instantly worse than using older technology to destroy a place?

This is the sort of mentality I'm talking about. So one said we're fucking heroes for doing it. But no one is fucking satan for destroying two targets, effectively ending a war, and saving a shit ton of lives.
>Hundreds of thousands civilians died
That's what happens in real wars, when you have your military infrastructure built into your civilian population centers.

Like I said, paint it however you want, dead kids is still dead kids

You're right. We should have sent a bunch of troops over with bouquets of flowers instead of bombing them.

You’re right, we should massacre them all, who cares that they’re kids, who cares some of them had never even known what war was, they bad, we good

We airdropped flyers warning people to evacuate for a long fucking time before we dropped the bombs.

Oh you’re right, it’s all their fault, sorry kid, you weren’t fast enough, next time maybe

You're right, we should've used those precision bombs to target those facilities and spared the civilian population.

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I view the bombings heavily negatively now, because it became clear that the Nippon banzai never surrender bullshit story in western historytelling is heavily exaggerated.
The Soviet Union had completely raped the Japanese land army in northern China and since the US had raped the Japanese navy, Stalin was more than ready to eat Japan for dinner, which the SU was more capable of doing than the US exactly at that time.

The practically best thing the nips could do and did do was to get a conditional surrender with the Americans under the pretext that they would be swallowed by commies if they didn’t say yes.

Ofc this wasn’t good enough for the jew elite in America, they didn’t finish the nukes in time to unleash hellfire on the Germans. But they had a chance to show their big dick to Stalin and score a unconditional surrender.

But so much horrible shit happened back there, which made Hiroshima look like nothing in comparison so i’m not really trying to moralfag here.

The truth about it is just a lot more ugly than “noble US military dropped nukes on the Island chinks for the greater good” story that western history books are spoonfeeding.

>Breadtuber

Your post has so many assumptions it's ridiculous. It's like you're trying to take your modern view on politics, and apply it to the mentality of people you've never met, under some serious /pol/ shit, to convince yourself you're clever.

>Emperor wants to quit and give his son the role
>this makes him uncomfortable
Absolutely disgusting. Where is his loyalty.

>The truth about it is just a lot more ugly than “noble US military dropped nukes on the Island chinks for the greater good” story that western history books are spoonfeeding.
To be fair, it's only American books and maybe British books. The rest of the world know it was really a pissing contest with Stalin. The problem is that reading is for faggots so even the people in charge of the government know shit about history. I remember the neocons arguing they could bomb Iraq into democracy and modernity like they did with Japan. The real fucked up part is that the neocons probably believe that's how it happened

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I would fuck the shit out of that anime chick.

He's Asian.

Remember how the Christians often say god work in mysterious ways to justify their bullshit? The emperor is a living god so the nips have a long history on downright ignoring what the emperor says because they're doing what the emperor actually want but only they know. Google the kyujo incident

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There’s not much /pol/ besides “jew elite” in the post. The point still stands that there were millions of soviet soldiers in East Asia in Summer 1945 with the purpose of defeating Japan. Rarely mentioned anywhere in American or other Western history corriculums, mostly because it shows many holes in the “Japan would not surrender narrative”

>Remember how the Christians often say god work in mysterious ways to justify their bullshit?
That is true, not BS.

True, my (Danish) history book in high school just went all in with this “by killing 200k they saved millions”. Still pisses me off today. Hiroshima wasn’t even in the top 5 of messed up things in WW2, but they still had to make a halftruth story to make the CV look nice.

>a lot harder and more morally complex
And SU doesn't deal with any of that. If there was more to it, it would be fine, but all iot takes Steven is to say "hey, did you realize what you're doing is bad?" and the big bad instantly changes their mind.

>pissing contest with Stalin
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