Batman v. Superman

He's one of my favourite villains ever. He was great at playing a smart crazy person

I liked it, it was very engaging, fresh and a decent follow-up to the Superman film beforehand.
I like how they went out of their way to modernize most of its features like how Lex isn't some conniving capitalist business man in a sharp suit but one of those young and eccentric tech moguls that is so prominent in this age,

One thing I respect about Snyder is his ambition.
Unfortunately, Snyder is not talented enough to pull off the concepts he wants to put on film.
But he gets closer, and closer with every film.

I have mixed feelings about Lex.
It's an unconventional take on the character, but in the Silver and Bronze age, Lex was like that.
Lex had an amazing musical theme in that film.
He was used well for the plot.
He is actually the films comic relief in the same way Hamlet is the comic relief in his movie. Eccentric craziness is traditionally funny.

But he's miscast. Jesse Eisnenberg was doing an amazing job, as the Riddler.
Also, I don't want to hold this against the movie, but Post-Crisis Lex Luthor was heavily based on Donald Trump, so in retrospect, not going with that take on the character was a HUGE missed opportunity.

Zack is set to direct the sequel to his Dawn of the Dead but I believe it will be a Netflix Original.
Him utilizing James Gunn's screenplay in DotD was really great and that was his directoral debut.

His first theatrical film is a remake of one of the most popular zombie films of all time, and many people think it's just as good or better than the original.

The guys got guts.

Great ideas, laughable execution.

I never understand when people complain that BvS ignored all the messed up implications of MoS, when Superman in BvS is actually dealing with the accumulated guilt of the unintended and terrible consequences of his involvement and actions in things - like the Metropolis incident - to the point where he begin to wonder if him trying to act as a hero is even doing any good.

The DCEU is dead, bury it

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>If he could take his head out of his ass and stop with the middle school edgy lord act we this could be the best cape movie off all time.
I like when Snyderfags claim he's not edgy and then Snyder is out there trying to make zombie rape movies.

Gunn is edgy as fuck, but you never see MCU fans crying about it.

That's because Gunn never suggested Rocket should be raped in prison.

No, he just posted a bunch of rape and pedo jokes.

>The unfeeling alien entity that Batman feared is born in the form of Apokolips, and is ironically made from man (Luthor).

You mean doomsday?

You never see them denying it either, which was the point before you tried moving the goalpost.

Nobody denies Zack Snyder is edgy, though, it is just that you should judge the work, not the man. Grant Morrison's edgy, Geoff Johns' edgy, lots of guys we all like are edgy.

>Nobody denies Zack Snyder is edgy, though,
"Snyder isn't edgy he's just realistic" happens all the time.

Who the fuck says that? Pretty much all his movies are fantastical in nature, specially visually.

>but in the Silver and Bronze age, Lex was like that.
No he wasn’t. He wasn’t even a billionaire, even.

>jokes are like, so triggering ugh
Yassss slay!

>>Lois and Superman make a huge mistake in the middle east
Africa, user.

>Grant Morrison's edgy
Lmao

Snyderfags in defense of Man of Steel, mostly.
Although to be fair it's probably just one guy because there are some really specific grammar errors he makes all the time and he kept ranting about flying cars.

I'm not saying they are. That's not my point. I'm just saying that condemning a guy or the movies he makes because of dumb things he said in an interview or on social media is stupid. I bet you that if Snyder had made a pedo joke, DC fans would have used as a sign to say he should have never directed Superman because of it.
Read The Invisibles, The Filth, Happy!, Dan Dare, and so on.

>and he kept ranting about flying cars.
This in a movie with flying dragons in Krypton.

>The Invisibles, The Filth, Happy!, Dan Dare,
>edgy
Lmaaaaooooo

Are you going to say The Filth doesn't have any edge? Or Dan Dare where he had the titular hero buttraped?

>Geoff Johns
>guys we all like

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>rape is edgy
No, Zack, wanting Batman to be raped in prison so people take you seriously IS edgy. Please stop comparing your trite to Morrison's best writing.

Morrison took Dan Dare, an English pulp hero, and made a deconstruct comic where the character is a butt-raped. Because he wanted to shock and make the comic grown-up.

Morrison can be edgy as fuck. He made his career on being controversial.

Don't forget that Dare nukes London in a kamikaze attempt.

>some pulp action hero deconstructed a la Miracleman
>Batman
Guess which one shouldn't be raped in prison if you want people to take you seriously.

If you're not British, shut up.

Can't be Batman, because Morrison had him raped as well.

I fucking hate this movie and I fucking hate what it's done to this board

Are Snyder apologists /co’s MAGAtrolls?

That scene was embarrassing btw. In the comic the people around Superman are literal third worlders that rely on charitable food supplies and shit just to survive another month, they're as desperate as you can get hence why they're clinging so obsessively to him and making him uncomfortable

In the movie Superman saved some people from a mere unfortunate accident and this somehow turns this city of Mexicans into a monolith of revering zombies, all perfectly silenced in awe of the man. Would they do the same for a fireman, are they that desperate about random fires to react in such a petrified way with their rescuers? Why aren't they cheering at the miracle, why does Clark look like a beaten puppy? It's the same for that other scene with the flood, why is everything so static and depressing, with people raising their hands to the heavens and Superman just standing there instead of saving them in the blink of an eye like we all know he could?

I mean, i know the answer, obviously. But the movie tried way too hard with this "WOOOOW SUPERMAN B LIEK A GOD" imagery shit, awkwardly raising questions and debates it never bothers to answer. Another good example is the Metropolis statue in his honour. Traditionally it'd depict Superman in a glorious way, smiling tall and proud, but instead in the movie it's this absolutely creepy nonsense of a "god" reaching down to us mere mortals while pointing at the paradise that we'd never reach without his divine intervention... who the fuck would even approve such a thing? Especially considering that here the statue is very specifically a memorial for the thousands of people that died only because of Superman's existence, how is it not getting protested daily by relatives of the victims insulted by the over the top reverence of this one alien-god?

Jesus Christ what a damn embarrassing movie

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>But the movie tried way too hard with this "WOOOOW SUPERMAN B LIEK A GOD" imagery shit, awkwardly raising questions and debates it never bothers to answer.
But it is answered. In the same montage even.
>how is it not getting protested daily by relatives of the victims insulted by the over the top reverence of this one alien-god?
But it was, by a key character even.

You're the embarrassment.

One guy going off the deep end isn't what I'm talking about at all, it's the normal people that should've been insulted. The constructors hired to build the thing should've refused to work on it. Fucking Superman himself should've flied down during the construction to protest at the absurdity - no one but the pretentious artist that came up with the concept should've found such a monument acceptable

Superman still saved the world and Metropolis.

The movie is poorly shot poorly edited uses “muh imagery” to masks terrible writing and quite frankly came at least 5 movies to soon

Yeah, from the danger he inadvertently created. But again it's not about the statue, it's the implications of it's "art direction" / posing that would've been considered inappropriate and controversial. It's not cheering a hero for saving the world, it's looking down on people for not being as elevated as he is

The point of the statue is that together we can reach for the heavens.

Why? Superman is a nobody at this point of the universe, he "debuted" and technically saved the world while half a city crumbled to ashes, he's not the moral center of the universe like a veteran version of him would be, people aren't familiar with him and his heroism. Such a monument with such a message is premature at best, the movie itself shows that people are still puzzled about Superman and his intentions yet at the same time whoever is behind the statue already determined he can help us reach anything

pretending the movie was genius is an even worse meme than sneed

He fucking saved the world, dude. That's big. He also saved the city. But even then the movie shows that not everyone is happy with him.

Saving the world from dangers created by you and with so many losses and collateral damage isn't "heavens" tier. People only know two incredibly powerful beings punched each other through buildings until one died, nobody has so much insight on the happening to safely determined the alien that didn't die is a saint worth worshipping, and this version of Superman specifically is a depressed recluse that doesn't even know how to relate to people

>Saving the world from dangers created by you
Nobody knows that and these type of things will always have tons of collateral. He's still blamed and hated for it, though. But aside from all that the point is that he still saved the whole, wide world.

>Nobody knows that
I do, and that makes the statue creepy to me, the viewer

>He's still blamed and hated for it, though
Yet somehow thus revering monument was made no questions asked and we only see a single messed up individual protesting it in a very cheesy manner

I'm not letting this slide dude, BvS rushed things to an incredible degree and made for a very messed up universe

>Nobody knows that
Zod made it pretty fucking clear in MoS that he was looking for Superman and him only on Earth, everyone with common sense would connect the attack to him

Metropolis made a monument for him. Some people like him, even revere him, others don't. You're nitpicking a small detail.
They know he's from the same race, but grew up on Earth as a human. Zod says as much.

but Zod was still looking for him, he made that clear on that broadcast
youtu.be/QXBEepEoLWw?t=69
no one would care about the semantics, all everyone would care about is that Zod destroyed Metropolis because he was looking for Superman

Superman turned himself in publicly before everything else that happened.

If it wasn’t for Groot, Quill would have been

>But the movie tried way too hard with this "WOOOOW SUPERMAN B LIEK A GOD" imagery shit, awkwardly raising questions and debates it never bothers to answer.
It does answer it. Superman becomes revered as if he was a God, but he isn't. He makes mistakes. He is defeated. He is not all powerful. There are limits to what he can do. At first the media is outraged by that realization but then come to accept that he's just a guy trying to do the right thing.

Even in the montage where they show the media talking about him, at the end one lonesome guy in one interviews says that maybe Superman is just a guy trying to do something.

The Zodcast is at the core of a lot of problems with Man of Steel.

The issue with this film is that there are small scenes of really smart film making sprinkled through some really shit characterization and character writing
The bit between Lex and the Senator, the bombing at the congressional hearing, the climax of the titular fight are all solid
Here’s the issue: Superman is basically just Batman in this film because in The Dark Knight Returns (which BvS is based on), Superman is a government lackey and Batman is an independent vigilante against crime but also away from the government.
The issue is Batman and Superman end up embodying the same ideology in a way that creates an empty, vapid conflict between the two. This wouldn’t be so bad if both characters had some depth to them, if at least Superman had some personality and character but he ends up just being as emotionless and sterile as Bruce (who is a hardened middle aged man)
You can have either symbolism or character behind the conflicts of this movie but it ends up with neither

But the movie itself treats Superman like a god given dispassionate he is about everything, given the Christ like imagery of him dying and resurrecting after the Nuke (and then dying again against Doomsday)

The reason that scene works in the comics is because Clark is vocal in the comics.
In the movies he's too much if a cipher that lets people talk for and about him instead of refuting their bullshit. A lack of agency in a guy that can move mountains is not heroic, endearing, or even all that sympathetic.

That's what I've never understood. Snyder is showing how wrong people are to do the thing he's doing every five minutes? Why the fuck is he doing it then?

>The issue is Batman and Superman end up embodying the same ideology in a way that creates an empty, vapid conflict between the two. This wouldn’t be so bad if both characters had some depth to them
You do know that the point was that Batman projecting himself in Superman, and Superman was projecting himself in Batman, and that ultimately they want and serve the same things, it's just that they had let themselves be twisted by their own demons, bias, and Lex's hidden hands. You do know that, right?
The movie never tried to say that Superman and Batman are different, on the contrary. They've more alike than they'd like to believe and are both going almost through the same things.

The point is to not confused the actions with the imagery. To not mythfy or politify these people.

Not even that user but that's the point.
Dark Knight Returns works because of the contrast. Even more of a contrast than the mainline comics has.
Going "duh they're the same" is missing that point; the contrast is gone so the conflict feels forced and stupid.

>The reason that scene works in the comics is because Clark is vocal in the comics.
Superman isn't talking in that page to these people, he's narrating the story to himself for the benefit of the reader. You could take the words out there and anyone with a brain would know what the page is trying to tell you through its art.

Except there’s already no difference between them. Batman projecting himself onto Superman isn’t inaccurate because they have the same core ideology that they should be free to use their powers as they see fit
And they don’t have distinct enough personalities for any projection to be inaccurate either
>their own demons
Just Batman’s

I like how I said comics, plural, and you not only focus on a singular comic, but a singular half page IN the comic, and think that makes you right.
Snyder's Superman isn't a character, he's a plot device.

Except the imagery is the director’s actions, so I’m inclined to believe he’s trying to make me think Superman is Christlike
And the fact that Henry Cavill has a completely disinterested performance (in a way similar to how Jesus is sometimes portrayed) makes me think that Snyder wants me to think Superman is Christlike since Cavill is a pretty solid actor in general

It's Cavill's fault for not being able to do enough pushups.

So if Batman thought the Joker was the biggest threat to human kind and was about to kill him, then the Joker said "Protect Martha" would Batman then let him go and also implicitly trust the Joker?

Because that's what the movie is telling you.

Projection only works if the characters have anything to project
The issue is that their conflict comes about almost entirely through Lex’s Bullshit. Their fight doesn’t really have a lot of weight since there’s no ideological stakes and no interpersonal stakes since neither of them really have personalities

But that's wrong. They've distinct personalities. The reason Batman's projecting himself onto Superman is because he feels Superman is damaging those around him with his desire to be important and eventually will start compromising when he wakes up to the futility of his existence. Because that's what HE is going through. Superman ends up projecting himself onto Batman because he feels Batman is and is doing everything that the media unfairly accuses him of, but nobody seems to care when it comes to Batman. They both instead of dealing with their own demons and issues are trying to fix their shit using each other as proxies.

They're going through different things, but doing the same things. Eventually they realize they're different from their projections, because what they were projecting unto each other were they themselves. In fighting each other, they end up fighting themselves.

No, I think the main issue is that

It's amazing how short this screenplay is when most of the shit is removed.

See .

And the movie also shows how Clark is just a normal guy and is, in fact, even more human than Bruce Wayne.

You do know that Batman was of the mind that hunting criminals had no meaning anymore, right? That fighting crime held no weight because they will always be criminals, and he's one himself.

That's not even remotely equivalent. Batman saw that Superman was A) Not invincible (do you bleed?) and B) Human. Superman's last act was to beg for Batman to save someone else's life. Then Lois comes in a defends Superman, making Batman further realize that Superman is a man with a life on Earth who is, again, just trying to do the right thing.

Goddamn, Yea Forums. This movie is simple. Some scenes beat you over the head with its intent. You can't be this obtuse.

>He sees Superman as human.
He's cynical as fuck and knows damn well just how flawed and corruptible humans are. He has no problem killing humans just for standing in his way. "He sees Superman as human" is not excuse enough.

This 100%. Clark's entire reporter arc is him projecting his struggles as Superman onto Batman and vice versa.

Simple is the right term, it contains the philosophy of a child, but Snyder is a hardcore Randian, so that shouldn't be surprising.

His father, then. Who he worship.

Yes he is cynical and doesn't believe that men are good. But what he sees in Superman and the parallels to his father's death begins to change his mind and Superman's ultimate sacrifice ultimately restores Bruce's faith.

>"international blogger"
This will never not be hilarious.

So simple and you still get it wrong. Guess you're more of a child than Snyder.

ID disagree with this reading of their dynamic since I think there’s not a lot of evidence that they’re projecting onto each other.
My general read of the story is that Bruce Wayne is paranoid about Superman since being lenient with forces he doesn’t understand got Robin killed. He dehumanizes Superman since he’s an Alien (going in line with the immigrant themes of MoS) but eventually realizes he’s a human with a mother and family when Clark says Martha
And superman’s core Schtick is that he feels like he has an obligation to people but he’s dispassionate about actually helping people and he realizes his true motivation is protecting his personal loved ones (Lois Lane and his Mother)
If you have any evidence that would more directly suggest that Batman and Superman are projecting onto each other their issues, I’d be open to this reading of the story

Debatable in that we only really get the one scene of him and Lois at home. And that’s more to sell us on their relationship since Clark barely does real work at the Planet
It’s the same issue in MoS. The actual writing and direction of scenes doesn’t sell us on Superman’s humanity cause he actually acts like afucking Alien who doesn’t get Earth customs and shit. A good comparison for this is the Smallviller conversation with his father and the one in BvS

I think you’re doing more projecting onto this film than Batman and Superman supposedly did onto each other

>Debatable
No, it really isn't. I think your complaints are ridiculous and unfounded. You seem more concerned with being contrarian to the film than anything else.

Hardly given that being a contrarian would suppose that I’m going against the grain when this movie is universally disliked
The issue is that the actual way characters are written together doesn’t sell anyone on their chemistry or relationship
The dialogue between Lex and the Senator felt more natural than anything between Clark and Lois

Your reading is wrong. Batman doesn't think Superman is being lenient. Batman doesn't even blame Superman for the Wayne tower collapse that much. Batman blames himself above all for failing those he promised to protect. That's why he completely lose the last shred of sanity when his old employee bombs the capitol. Because he blames himself for it as much as he blames Superman. Batman is always talking the blame for everything that happens. Even Superman's sacrifice he took as being on him.
Batman's arc is about him losing faith on himself and his mission: the idea that he could be a force of change for the better, and him blaming himself for any harm those around him faced because of his inability to make a difference, to even think he could have made a difference.

Eventually he starts projecting the same thing unto Superman. He start to think Superman is just like him. Just another idiot trying to feel important in life by thinking he can make a difference, when in reality the only thing he's really doing it is ruining everyone's lives. What will Superman do when he wake up and realize that his entire life has been meaningless? Will he double down in desperation? Will he become more extreme in an attempt to overcompensate? In any possible scenario, a lot of people will die. Because that's what i did when i woke up to the truth. I started branding people. I started killing. But nothing changed! So because Superman can doom the planet any further, i will sacrifice myself to stop him. This is the only thing of worth i can ever do with my life. Rid this world of myself and Superman.

That's Batman head-space.

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I meant that Batman felt that he, himself, was lenient and couldn’t afford to be again with Superman, so I agree with the first part
I just don’t see anything in this projection angle since Batman clearly has completely dehumanized Superman as an alien. He doesn’t seem to think Superman is anything but a ticking time bomb that might hurt everyone if Batman doesn’t stop him pre emptively. He doesn’t see Superman as a young Batman as much as he sees him as just a foreign agent. There’s maybe one line where Batman talks about Superman as if he’s a person (“I bet your parents taught you you were important”) but it’s suggested that Batman wasn’t ever as idealistic as he’s suggesting Superman is.

>Debatable
Nope. The Lois scenes at the beginning is to sell to the audience that Clark is trying to escape his own guilty conscience with... well, Lois' pussy. He's using her as a means of escape, as a comfy hiding. To the point where even Lois start to question if they relationship is coming between his duty as Superman.
Superman says to Lois that he isn't bothered by what the media says. He knows that he never intended to kill those people. His conscious is clear. He's fine. But every other scene shows him glued to the TV set scoring news about himself. Feeling dejected by what everyone says and blames him for.
Then he learns that Batman exists and has been terrorizing the people of Gotham for years now. Why hasn't anyone done anything about this? Well, Perry tells him that Batman and Gotham is old news, stale news. People don't care about it. Superman is the hot issue. So Clark feels angry. How biased can the media be. He's crucified unjustly for thing he didn't do, not intentionally, but Batman is actually out there purposely doing terrible things and nobody reports on it or stop him. Well, this won't stand.
Eventually the capitol bombing happens and Superman can no longer ignore his guilty conscious. That's when he has that imaginary talk with his father about the drowned horses, which is a moral lesson about how sometimes when you're trying to do good your actions might cause something bad to happen that you never could expect, but that still happened. It doesn't seems far to you or others, but it still happened. What do you do? Well, Pa told him to shoulder the blame. Yes, you never intended or imagined this could happen, but it still happened and it happened because of you. So despite not seeming fair you should still take the blame. If it gets to tough, just count on those you love to lend emotional support. And never give up on helping others because it didn't work out once or twice. We should never give up on helping.

That quote right there is Batman talking about himself. Just like when he uses the 1% quote about Superman to Alfred. He's not mentioning Two Face or Red Hood. He's mentioning himself when he talks about good guys going bad and how much good intentions are worth.

That's when Lois stops being a sign of weakness, something Superman used to escape reality and his own guilty conscious, and starts being a sign of strength, something Superman can count on to face reality and his own guilty conscious. That's what that quote about her being his world is about. She's his center.
Same way, during Clark investigation of Batman in Gotham several people tell him that words won't stop Batman, only fists. Superman first tries to talk Batman into retiring, and then into helping him, but eventually he remembers this fucking idea: words won't stop him, only fists. That's when the Batman v Superman fight happens. Superman thinks that if he show to Batman he's stronger, Batman will stop, but hey... a word in the end was what stopped Batman.

There's a lot of POTTERY going on in BvS.

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Lots, and lots of POTTERY.

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And i do mean LOTS.

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Both actors have left nobody gives a flying shit anymore

>Hardly given that being a contrarian would suppose that I’m going against the grain when this movie is universally disliked
I said contrarian to the film, you illiterate. No wonder you can't grasp basic aspects of the movie.

They are all just Mexican countries. no one cares about your autism.

>If you have any evidence that would more directly suggest that Batman and Superman are projecting onto each other their issues, I’d be open to this reading of the story
forbes.com/sites/markhughes/2016/04/01/interview-zack-snyder-discusses-themes-behind-batman-v-superman/#5a9835137104

>Both actors have left nobody gives a flying shit anymore
This is what shitposters resort to when others have readily deflected all of their shitposting complaints. How does it feel to know that every criticism you have against the movie is completely unfounded, that you've been proven wrong and you have left is senseless hate culminating in an empty insult? Pathetic.

Pottery is the right word cuz this shit ain't poetry

this movie is a MASTERPIECE, Zack Snyder's MAGNUM OPUS, seriously, this movie makes me cry, is the perfect Batman movie, and the perfect Superman movie, all-in-one

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pure art

>He's one of my favourite villains ever. He was great at playing a smart crazy person
If you're not just pretending to be retarded you may have the worst taste out of anyone on Yea Forums. There was nothing redeemable about that Lex performance or the writing for it. It was so ridiculously awful it actually made me angry. Least likable actor they could find repeatedly spouting off about an extended God metaphor in the absence of any real motivation.
>durr my dad was mean and God isn't real and also Superman is like God, yeah, that totally constitutes a reason for me to go through the motions of this convoluted anti-Superman plot, hahaha I'm so quirky and smart!

Why do you constantly make an ass of yourself?

You do know that Lex wasn't religious in the movie and mentioned several mythological deities and heroes associated with the sun to make the point that humanity was tribalistic and selfish, in an attempt to make Superman realize he was also partidarian and selfish, right? Lex was trying to make a point.

It was a terrible performance and a horribly written character. You can't debate this.

The rooftop scene was great, though.

I never said he was religious and also his labored God motif was the worst part of the movie. Everyone got it the first time around. It wasn't clever or interesting.

No one buys your strawman shitposts.

You know what's the biggest problem with Yea Forums and this movie outside of the usual "MUH" blind fanboyism? You guys take everything characters say and do at face value and never think beyond what is being shown or told.

>No one buys your strawman shitposts.
You actually believe I secretly like that near-universally panned trash performance? Here idiot, watch a real Lex:
youtube.com/watch?v=SgHHxDVU7i0

Gene Hex was a buffoon that wanted to fucking buy land.

Buying up worthless desert land and then using controlled detonations to make yourself the sole owner of the entire new American west coast is a great motivation. He's an amoral genius and this is just his latest scheme to sabotage and murder his way to the top. Being a retarded underage looking mouthpiece for the director's obsession with an extended God metaphor on the other hand is not a great motivation. It's not really a motivation at all. That compounds the problem of the actor being bad at his job to begin with because it's a lot harder to pull off a good performance when your character doesn't even have a coherent reason for causing trouble for the protagonist beyond "he's the bad guy and doesn't like superhumans." You never feel even a fraction of the motivation a good villain character would make you feel. You never once find yourself going "yeah, fuck Superman, I see where he's coming from." That Lex was an unequivocal failure of a performance and I have a hard time wrapping my head around the possibility real people like you can't see what's so blatantly obvious there with that failure.

Lex had a motivation, though, you're just too dumb to figure it out.

No, you're just too stupid to realize that doesn't count as a motivation. EVERYONE got your retarded God metaphor, it isn't clever.

The motivation wasn't even anything to do with God. Kek. You really dumb.

Yeah, because there was no real motivation at all.

No, it's you who's too dumb. Want me to spell it out?

No because I'm spelling it out for you. These were ACTUAL lines in that "film" you mistook as deep:
>These exceptional beings live among us.
>The bases of our myths.
>Gods among men upon our...
>our little blue planet here.
>You don't have to use
>the silver bullet,
>but, if you forge one...
>Well, then...
>We don't have to depend
>upon the kindness of monsters.
>'Cause that's what God is.
>Horus. Apollo.
>Jehovah. Kal-El.
>Clark Joseph Kent.
>See. What we call God depends
>upon our tribe, Clark Jo.
>Because God is tribal.
>God takes sides.
>No man in the sky intervened
>when I was a boy
>to deliver me from Daddy's fist
>and abominations. Mm mm.
>I've figured it out way back,
>if God is all powerful,
>he cannot be all good.
>And if he's all good
>then he cannot be all powerful.
>And neither can you be.
>God vs man.
>Day vs night.
>Son of Krypton vs Bat of Gotham.
>There we go.
>There we go.
>And now God, bends to my will.
>To save Martha,
>bring me the head of the Bat.
>Mother of God,
>would you look at the time.
>So, If man won't kill God,
>The Devil will do it!

I just can't. I can't handle the possibility your taste is THIS shit. Look at those lines. Fucking LOOK at them:
That made it into a movie. Those weren't from the blooper reel!

If superman really cared about humanity he would have leveled mecca and then all the mosquitoes would finally an hero after their giant center of religion as belittled and destroyed by truth, justice, and the american way.

Yes, you're taking at face value the bullshit Lex says. You're not seeing behind the curtain.
None of the bullshit he says has any value. For example the God thing was just to show that humans are selfish and tribalistic, because he wanted to show that -Superman couldn't be a good person. Because a good person wouldn't favor his loved ones - like Lois - above all others. That's what selfish people do.

I want a NICE curtain too. Do you know how many people work on a movie like that? They can afford to give me a nice curtain AND have ulterior motives. And holy shit, you seriously believe the concept of ulterior motives is deep now. ULTERIOR MOTIVES. As in the thing that EVERY MOVIE EVER MADE HAS. I'm done here and I'm sorry for your life, user.

Lex's talks about meta-humans being the bases of our myths was to point out that meta-humans exists and that our myths are simple stories about very real people.
Lex talks about Superman being a monster is just him demonizing Superman to others. Specially because he knows some people view Superman as a savior or deity.
Lex talks about gods is to show that humans are selfish and so create such concepts to validate their own selfishness and hatred.

What was Lex ulterior motive, then? Tell me. What Lex wanted. What was he all about. What was he trying to prove.

Yea Forums eternally BTFO

you know for how shitty this movie was, the guy clearly made a cult-film, the fact that it is still disscussed not only here but on twitter, youtube and other places just goes to show you how interesting zack's take on batman and superman was.

Snyder has made four of the greatest comic book films of all time.

And yet Zack has him doing fucking crucifixion poses and he gets killed by a spear because DATS HOW JEZUZ DIED :DDDDD

Snyderfags need to be gassed

No it doesn’t. That “he’s more human than me” but in JL? Came from Whedon. Snyder did jack shit to make Superman relatable and likable. Supes is easily the most hateable character in the film due to how stupid he is.

To be fair you have to have a high IQ to understand Zack Snyder films.

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No it wasn’t, it was awful. Why are Snyderfags incapable of accepting that they’re a minority?

>You're not seeing behind the curtain.
>If you just stop listening to what the characters are saying and write an elaborate headcanon in your mind to make what they’re saying deeper than it is, it’s good!

That's the point, bro. Just because the actions are the same, because Bruce wants them to be, that doesn't mean that Superman is indeed Jesus. Just because someone makes into a God or Demon that doesn't mean you're one.

You're awful and a cry baby, it seems.

It's over. Go to bed Snyder.

>That's the point, bro
Dear God you ARE retarded.
>Hurr just because he’s acting like Jesus, is treated like Jesus, and dies like Jesus doesn’t mean he’s Jesus!
I mean guess you have a point since a lot of people like Jesus whereas no one gave a shit when Superman died. No one cared at all. Really sad how badly Snyder botched everything.

Superman in JL wasn't human, he was a parody of what people expect Superman to be. All he does is smile like a goof and show off how strong and capable he is.

So now you're resorting to insults. You must be really butthurt about people enjoying this movie. Sad.

>a cry baby,
>t. Seething Snyderfag who is raging that no one likes Zaddy
I can’t wait for them to announce that Cavill is out for good. Snyderfags on Twitter are already assblasted at the return of the Williams theme, they’re going to go ballistic.

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I don't care if people like or not the movies. I just find hilarious how worked up you're about it and this thread.

>this great superhero movie.

Isn't it well past your bedtime, Mr. Snyder?

>Superman in JL wasn't human,
He was more human though
>Enjoys his powers
>Banters And makes friends
>Kicks ass
>Strikes up a normal conversation with people
He was more likeable than Snyderman ever was.

>don't care if people like or not the movies. I just find hilarious how worked up you're about it and this thread.
>I’m not mad YOU’RE mad
Ok user. Keep shilling Zack the Hack.

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He doesn't make any friends, he just puts everyone down. Specially the Flash. There's a reason why the audience voted the Flash as the most likable, and Superman as the least likable in that movie.

I'm not the one insulting people and posting meme pictures.

>You must be really butthurt about people enjoying this movie
Given that WB has fired Snyder, is recasting Cavill, and is doing everything they can to wipe away Snyder Superman I’m not mad at all. I won :) you’re never getting your “Cut” and next time Supes shows up he’ll get to be a hero instead of a villain like Snyder planned

You think i care about cinematic universes? I just want good movies, and i got one that i enjoy.

>He doesn't make any friends
Yes he does
>He just puts everyone down
No he doesn’t
>Audiences voted
Where? The most common thing I heard was that JL Superman was Superman finally acting like Superman. And people fucking hated Ezra.

>I just want good movies,
Obviously not given you like Snyder capeshit.

>I'm not the one insulting people
>You hurt my feefees
Fuck off back to plebbit you utter faggot.

He doesn't make any friends. We just see him constantly insulting the Flash by trying to show how better he was at everything.
The audiences that watched the movie voted the Flash, Wonder Woman, and Aquaman as the more likable character. And then Cyborg, and lastly Superman and Batman. Superman was the last. I don't blame them. He sucks the fun out of that movie in the way they portrayed him.

Why are you surprised that there are visual metaphors for Jesus? That's a core part of the story. Why does it trigger you so much? Yes, he is a Christ-like figure. He's a savior. But in reality, he's fallible despite the Christ-like projections.

You're not hurting my feelings, just making a fool out of yourself because of how worked up you're showing to be. You're acting hysterical because some anons DARE to like this movie. It's pretty hilarious.

Look at how desperate he is. OP has you bloodied. You respond to a concise analysis of the movie with a barrage of brainless shitposts. You're making an ass of yourself.

This. And in the end, the movies will still be discussed for years to come. BvS was divisive, not hated, and as such there will always be interest in it.

Even is WB decides to end their DCU at some point, which I'll point out isn't likely in coming years due to the successes they have had recently, then we'll seven movies at least, and in the low-mid teens within the next few years with WW80s, SS2, Flash, Shazam 2, and likely Aquaman 2. That's not a bad run for a cinematic universe.

Some people doesn't care about the cinematic universe games. I enjoy the MCU, but my favorites movies out of Marvel characters will always have in its list Ang Lee's Hulk at the very top. I fucking love that movie.

I love the DCEU movies, but I think I love the irrational and venomous hate some people have for them even more. Surely you can't hate a 'bad' movie as much as some of these shitposters seem to. They seeth so much you can almost picture them having to walk away from the keyboard that much. They hate them more than we love them. I'd put $50 down on the early DCEU movies, BvS and MoS especially, becoming recognised as something special in a few decades.

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Me neither honestly. I really liked thta first Hulk movie. I will say I think the MCU has improved over the last few movies, but it really went down in quality after Winter Soldier through AoU and Civil War, and only started to recover with Guradians 2 and Infinity War. I enjoyed parts of Ragnarok, but most of it felt like a fucking high-budget parody, like when Thor knocks himself over with the ball, and his lack of emotion at the death of the Warriors 3 and Sifs weird absence.

I'll always love the hell out of the original Iron Man movie, and I'll be taking the family to see Endgame.

I feel blessed just to be able to enjoy things. It must be fucking terrible to hate so many things.

> But he gets closer, and closer with every film
No Man of Steel was much better then Bvs & so was Watchmen.

> I like when Snyderfags claim he's not edgy and then Snyder is out there trying to make zombie rape movies.
That was from the previous version of the script before he got on the project and he has since removed it from the film you lying sack of fuck.

joblo.com/movie-news/interview-jay-baruchel-seann-william-scott-on-goon-last-of-the-enforcers-179
>In that vogue what recently have you really liked?
>Baruchel: Well, my favorite films of ’16, number 1 would be Nocturnal Animals. I think it’s gorgeous and compelling and such a good mystery, and the music is insane. For a guy who’s such a good fashion designer, can just wake up and be one of the world’s great directors? I love that movie and…umm… This is gonna get me in a lot of shit, and you’re the first time I’ve said it publicly, I’ve been trying to decide when I’m gonna say it…my other favorite film of last year is…not the theatrical version mind you, just the director’s cut…
>Oh I know what you’re gonna say…
>Baruchel: BATMAN V SUPERMAN…DAWN OF JUSTICE: Ultimate Edition is probably the film I’ve seen the most from last year. I’ve watched it about seven times…”
>Well, there’s a really distinct vision to it, and you can’t say that with the Marvel movies…
>Baruchel: THANK YOU! This is what I said, even when I saw the theatrical one and didn’t love it. In its weakest moment, it has more choice, style and commitment to it than the best moment in CIVIL WAR. CIVIL WAR, I can’t tell you what it’s about or who made it. You watch BATMAN V SUPERMAN you know exactly what it’s about and he fucking committed to a choice and DC always does that.”

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>That was from the previous version of the script before he got on the project
Sure it was.

If you had a godlike being saving your little girl or just about anyone with you in a night dedicated to the impact of death, maybe you'd want to touch his robes.

Kind of a call back to the old woman touching Jesus's robe to clean her of any infirmities.

Absolutely based. I loved Winter Soldier, but Civil War was an absolute mess. Civil War so badly portrayed the moral conflict between Cap and Stark, it was pathetic. It was little more than half-baked ramblings with no substance. Then you compare it to the concise moral dilemma portrayed in BvS... It's not even a competition. It's so one-sided. It's little wonder why Disney went into bad publicity overdrive during BvS when CW was slated to come out shortly after.

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There are a lot of MCU films that i like, but i feel that the majority of them don't have a soul, if you will. The first Iron Man, the first two Captain America, Guardians of the Galaxy too. But most of them just feel like action-comedies made just because we need a new movie about certain character. The new Spider-Man movie gave me that impression, for example.

I never saw Homecoming in the cinema, and never watched the previous movies full stop, because I honestly don't think there will ever be anything to top the Raimi movies. I'm getting old and set in my ways. I haven't even considered watching Spider-verse.

There are parts of Civil War that i liked, but what bothers me is that the whole airport fight was completely unnecessary and without it there's little reason to call the movie Civil War. Honestly, you only needed Cap, Bucky, Tony, and Tchalla in the movie, and even then you could have condensed Tony and Tchallas role into one.

> Nobody denies Zack Snyder is edgy
Yes I some of us do. Every once and a while there are exceptions (Jimmy olsen, piss jar) but the general tone he was going for in Mos & Bvs was not edgy. It was just playing things completely straight & serious with touches of somber.
Take Ultimates 1-2 or Earth One without the gross shock value moments like Pym trying to murder Janet and that is what Snyder is going for.

"Edgy" should be reserved for shit like Nemesis or The Boys. There is nothing like that in Snyder's Dc movies.

> Pretty much all his movies are fantastical in nature, specially visually.
> This in a movie with flying dragons in Krypton
The point is that the EARTH is realistic in Mos separate from the Krypton related sci-fi elements. I never ranted about flying cars. It was just a example I gave in that humanity seems normal and has nothing outlandishness to them in Mos like the Mcu does with Shield having flying cars or even the laser pistol in Watchmen.

More importantly how the sci-fi and superhero elements interact with the earth in these films is what is realistic. The heroes are flawed and make mistakes or can be worn down overtime. Destruction caused by incredible powers are not shy-ed away from. Superman can't solve everything perfectly with no downsides.
Him & his father don't have all the answers and have valid life & dearh concerns to the point or being indecisive.
Humans in Mos/Bvs act normal and have many different behaviors and reactions to superheroes unlike in the Christopher Reeves Superman films where everyone except outright villains seem to be Superman's personal cheerleading squad.

Read this entire article.
comicbookmovie.com/horror/zack-snyders-army-of-the-dead-rewritten-to-remove-controversial-zombie-rape-scenes-a166154

The point is, Zack Snyder is a bit edgy. I'm not saying all his movies are edgy or that he's an edgy cunt all the time, but the dude has a particular set of tastes and views that are edgy. For example i find James Gunn edgy. Look at some of his movies like Super. The love certainly love his edge. But GotG 1 and 2 aren't edgy. They're far from edgy. Silly and dumb, sure, but not edgy. Still the director is an edgy motherfucker.

Unh... how can zombies, you know, rape?

> why does Clark look like a beaten puppy?
Because he doesn't want to be worshiped.
He was fully smiling when he first walked over carrying the girl up until the crowd reacted the way they did.

If zombies (the undead kind) could function at all, lacking a bloodflow to engorge their dicks would be just a minor inconvenience.

Where's it say the script wasn't originally his?
He seems pretty into the idea of zombie rape, if his response to it was "it's a new take."

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"People" does not refer to the pathetic antisemitic homophobic incels on Yea Forums.

>Where's it say the script wasn't originally his?

>>>but those of you with a good memory might remember that another version of that movie was in development around a decade ago with Matthijs van Heijningen Jr. at the helm.
>>>At the time, he shed some light on plans for the movie and explained that it would feature "the male zombies [raping] human females. Yes. And they have human hybrid zombie offsprings. It’s a new take on the zombie genre, which is crazy."

Whu? But... WHAT? How the fuck can zombies rape or, most important of all, have babies?