Symbiote Spider-Man #1 Storytime

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>Numerous times you've been shown to be objectively wrong and yet you keep saying it.
you never have been?
you always start insulting people and refuse to actual posts examples of cleavage or female nudity in modern comics

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How the fuck does she not know who Mysterio is? The guy is a complete attention whore who fights one of NY's most popular heroes

Well that's not good

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I have a Grandfather that doesn’t know who trump is

Stop replying dumbfuck

Lets be real, would you be scared of a guy wearing a fishbowl?

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Ah yes the Human Fly

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>examples of cleavage in modern comics

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>posting images during a storytime
You dumb fuck

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Hardly the worst fashion choice in this universe, and yeah Mysterio does some spooky shit. It's actually unsettling in a Cobra Commander kind of way. You stare at him, and all you see is yourself reflected back

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>variant art
and here is how she actually looks in the comic.
notice the super small breasts and none existinting cleavage. but oh what is that. another topless guy for no reason in all his glory

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Pretty sure it was Muggins

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and for example here is emma frost how she used to be drawn before sjws and feminist took over.
big breasts or cleavage like that is no longer allowed in comics. only naked men

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Dude fuck off and stop ruining the storytime

Report this asshole

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Well you can call the guy whatever you want but He pretty much called it.
Peter in his underwear and a black cat with no cleavage and ridiculous small breasts considering if you consider she used to be drawn

lmao die mad
literally WHO cared about muh cartoon boobies?
I dislike the SJW agenda as much as the next guy, in fact I really dislike it, but you are grasping at straws as an excuse to hate women lmao

This

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can sjws first stop ruining comics please with their obvious feminist agenda?

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i think you are grasping at straws if you consider that posts an "excuse to hate women"
didn´t even mention women. only sjws and sexist double standart

diaf

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I got give a flying fuck what you are the other faggot are complaining about. You don't post images that interrupt story time threads. Both of you can fuck right off

Because that's what aspies crying about muh SJWs always turns out to be about.

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>and a black cat with no cleavage and ridiculous small breasts considering if you consider she used to be drawn
She is not in her costume.

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Your entire argument is nothing but cherry picking and goalpost moving. This image (linked because storytime) is literally from an upcoming comic.

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not really. most sjws are actually white nerd guys trying acting like feminists in the hopes to get laid. Only really a few big players are really men hating feminists.
I just want the double standards to stop and for comics and media to be like it used to be before 2014

The oldest trick in the book!

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>She is not in her costume.
so her breasts are gonna grow with her costume?
I bet her costume doesn´t even show cleavage.

Once again objectively wrong:

bro literally the only change since 2014 is the one of your perception
Women have been drawn more sensibly since the mid 2000s, but nobody cared because there were no neonazis on twitter getting mad about it back then

>Spidey hits a fake window
That was funny

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What the fuck is wrong with you people? Go shit up another thread

dude read the thread.
your are cherry picking with the covers.
it´s gonna be just like this where she won´t be drawn sexy in the interior pages.
also the cover in itself kinda proves the sjw censorship point. black cats outfit used to have a lower zipper and showed of underboob

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oh no muh pencil boobies
die mad
I literally hope they remove all aspects of attractive femininity from comics just to spite you

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>you’re a lousy actor
Kek.

so are you seriously saying that this drawing
is the same as this?

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Based gramps.

>since modern are all run by men hating feminists with huge double standards
Felicia has been drawn plenty with his cleavage costume. And MJ with big breasts too. Go fuck in a comic were women aren't actually sexy.

Different artists have different styles.
But that's besides the point. Why does it even matter if muh boobs are drawn more akin to reality in comics? There are plenty of smut magazines you can pick up if you wanna see tits, you don't need to find them in Spider-Man.

so you have no argument and go back to name calling. ok.
but don´t pretend like you have had any argument in the first place.
sjws have totally fucked over comics and are the main reason why it´s dying

And thats end. Thanks for reading and hope you enjoyed despite there being a heated discussion happening.

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I didnt say any names so w/e
How is taking cheesy pornographic artwork out of comics damaging to the medium in any way?

reality seems to say otherwise.
nobody had a problem with sexy dudes and chicks in comcis pre 2014. then suddenly feminists, sjws and liberals noticed how popular comics started to become of course they had to fuck it all up with their propaganda like they always do.
and now comics hardly manage to sell more then 90k at max

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>OP just resolutely ignores a thread given out of his time for others enjoyment going to the dogs
Based or sign of the times?

You don't know what cherry picking means.

>black cats outfit used to have a lower zipper and showed of underboob
This is bullshit and you know it. She had an outfit like that for a hot second and that was it. The outfit in the picture is her original and the one everyone knows her for.

You also seem to think that 2014 is when the "SJWs took over." If that's the case, then images of Marvel women after then with sexy outfits would prove you wrong. Like this stripper outfit from 2015:

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>Land
I'm out.

>die mad
lol yeah you are super chill dude >-<
how is leaving it in damaging to the medium.
why do liberals always have to change everything to sued their agenda? why can´t they leave hobbies alone?
Its not like those "evil russian nazis" demaned that female hobbies start to pander exclusively to mras

Nope, never gonna happen. They’re going to keep doing it to spite you specifically

ok then I move my date back to 2015 instead of 2014 big deal.
point still stands. modern marvel is heavily censored by sjws and only men nowadays get sexually depicted.
case in point. neither emma nor Psylocke still have those outfits or get drawn this way

>why do liberals always have to change everything to sued their agenda? why can´t they leave hobbies alone?
Everyone who was involved with comics back in the day was someone you would call a SJW. Read anything Stan Lee wrote about the subject.

Big news, different artists draw people differnetly.

I always welcome cheesecake in my comic, but it's a fact this sin't what it is about, as long as the story and art is good, it doesn't matter how much skin is shown.

I hope you enjoy sleeping in a car for the rest of your life then. because sells sure aren´t gonna improve that way

>comics
>becoming popular in 2014
are you an actual retarded person?
>how is leaving it in damaging to the medium.
Personally, I dislike any material that's obviously just made to be fap fuel. Unless it's Nightcrawler, but that's it. Yeah, people exerting political pressure on the comics industry is bad and can lead to some actual problems down the line, but right now there is no harm being done.

>literal 12 year old newfag tries to bait in a storytime
Pathetic.

>so her breasts are gonna grow with her costume?
Her cistume is pussh up. She is in her jamies, there, no support.

>modern marvel is heavily censored by sjws
Wrong. Current run of spidey has black cat in her calssic cleavage showing costume.

he still liked drawing sexy women and have cool white male heroes.
something that modern sjws seem to hate. if modern sjws where like stan I wouldn´t have any problems.
also I don´t think stan ever wrote a story about supporting legal immigration or fighting "toxic masculinity" and "white privilege"
liberals from the 70s and 80s have more in common with modern day conservatives.
they believe about true equality not extra privileges for women and minorities and double standards

They'll start showing Mysterio's face more often, right?

Why the fuck are you faggots still replying to obvious bait?

>how is leaving it in damaging to the medium.
It isn't. But the absence of it doesn't damge it either. in the end, it's the right of the drawer to represent women the way he want. as long as the story is good, it doesn't matteR.

You are no better than SJW complaining about superficial things.

>Big news, different artists draw people differently.
weird how marvel and dc both excursively started to hire people who draw in the same sjw friendly art style after 2015. almost like they had a agenda driven tone shift.
also that statement isn´t even true. look at how much cleavage Humberto Ramos used to draw mj or felicia pre 2014 compared to now.

>nobody had a problem with sexy dudes and chicks in comcis pre 2014.
And no one still have. just because it's not draw that way doesn't mean artists are forbidden to do so. Respect their choice, instead of making internet rant of them not bending to you will.

>ok then I move my date back to 2015 instead of 2014 big deal.
Keep moving those goalposts. As soon as someone posts something from more recent, you'll shift it again. Someone will post a female character from this year wearing something skimpy and you'll shift the goalposts again, saying "Well okay... but THIS character isn't wearing something skimpy."

>liberals from the 70s and 80s have more in common with modern day conservatives.
You're clearly just a conservative teenager who knows nothing about history and wants to rewrite it to suit your argument. If it was the 70s you'd be whining about feminists demanding equal pay and protests against the war.

>weird how marvel and dc both excursively started to hire people who draw in the same sjw friendly art style after 2015.
There is still cheesecake nowadays.

And no, it's not weird. No one is forcing them to draw that way. There was no conspiracy to make reveling outfit in the 90's, there is no conspiracy to make costume look that way now.

Thank you user, I enjoyed it.

but artists have talked about it that they have been told by marvel and dc not stop it.
many artists still sell pin ups privately but are forbidden to do so in main stream comics eventhrough fans would prefer it returning

Source?

>There is still cheesecake nowadays.
lie. then post some
>And no, it's not weird. No one is forcing them to draw that way. There was no conspiracy to make reveling outfit in the 90's, there is no conspiracy to make costume look that way now.
so are you saying that there haven´t been hundreds of articles and millions of twitter posts by sjws and feminists over the last 10 years demanding comics to stop drawing women in sexual poses and outfits?
because you can easily find out that this is also a lie but by googling

>weird how marvel and dc both excursively started to hire people [...]
Remember when you brought up DC in another thread and were immediately given examples of modern DC art with sexy women? This is what I'm talking about; you throw out a million different claims, and just ignore the fact you're wrong when ever one of them is disproven

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Even 90s weren’t all revealing

I suspect that user is totally underage

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>many artists still sell pin ups privately but are forbidden to do so in main stream comics eventhrough fans would prefer it returning
Or they just draw comics the what they want and you are just running tinfoilhat conspiracy.

>Wrong. Current run of spidey has black cat in her calssic cleavage showing costume.
you mean the one that is totally censored as well? with smaller breasts and less cleavage?
this is how the same artist used to draw her in the past

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There was already several posted.
>so are you saying that there haven´t been hundreds of articles and millions of twitter posts by sjws and feminists over the last 10 years demanding comics to stop drawing women in sexual poses and outfits?
Irrelevant, they do not decide how artists draw.

comic artists pro
tweet is I think form early 2017

Pretty similar desu

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Isn't that joke used in the Lego movie?

>you mean the one that is totally censored as well?
There was zero censorship and her breasts are just as big.

Link it faggot, I’m not searching ducking twitter

I am really surprised that she has husband. Not wife.

Her breasts are objectively bigger than

where?
reply to them

Nice reference to Burton's Batman

>posting images in the middle of a storytime
People like you deserve to be shot. Take your retarded argument eslewhere.

see

>There was no conspiracy to make reveling outfit in the 90's, there is no conspiracy to make costume look that way now.
are you saying that 100% of all artists suddenly had the same change of heart at the same time with no outside pressure what so ever?
that sounds even less believable then the average superhero plot

Much appreciated, OP. Sorry the thread was derailed so quickly.

>You are no better than SJW complaining about superficial things.
not really. sjws always want to change things. I want things to go back to how the used to. if sjws don´t like sexy drawing they should make new comics instead of changing already established female characters while also forcing every male character to strip down

Fucking hell, this woman was quipping a moment ago

>are you saying that 100% of all artists suddenly had the same change of heart
>100%
5 words in and you are already wrong. They do not 100% draw more clothed women.

And the same way people used to do more cheescake illustration before, now there is less; those are the trends and don't matter as long as the story is good.

>100% of all artists suddenly had the same change of heart at the same time
This didn't happen, as perfectly exemplified by the fact that you were super sure that the "sudden shift" was in 2014, but then when a super revealing outfit with giant cleavage was posted from 2015, you backpedaled hard. this was published even more recently. The fact is that you keep going into old issues to find all the most extreme examples of revealing costumes and pretend that was what everyone wore right up until some imaginary event.

It's just one moron who make a point toio ruin the thread about the one comic that actually show more skin because his brain is full of shit like that.

>like they used to

>smaller breast then how she used to have
>comic that was released years ago and isn´t really repesentive of modern comics. Psylocke doesn´t even have that costume anymore
>variant cover that does not reflect the actual comic at all
those aren´t really convincing arguments.
show me some actual cheesacke similar to this
which was released the within the last 3 months.

Thought the same thing. Less funny when it's a rip off

that isn´t really convincing.
this is how dc used to draw cleavage before sjws
they obviously force artists to tone it down

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>sjws always want to change things. I want things to go back to how the used to
That's also a change, user. And in the end it up to the artist to decide, not the sjw, nor you.
>this is how the same artist used to draw her in the past
If you don't like the new drawing, jsut start reading Top Cow or Image comics. but don't try to complain about this the same way SJW do.
>this is how the same artist used to draw her in the past
they are not forced and don't fucking be an hypocrite complaining about that.

>which was released the within the last 3 months.
Holy shit that is some impressive backpedaling. Everyone keeps giving you more examples of cheesecake and suddenly is has to be in the last 3 months? Is that when the SJWs took over, January? How long before you demand that we find a full frontal nudity shot published within the last week?

>>smaller breast then how she used to have
See older artShe has objectively bigger breasts now.

>comic that was released years ago
Is spider-man. It got released this week

Wait, why is he wearing the symbiote again?

And thing change. As long as the story is good, it doesn't matter. artist draw their women the way they want. you don't like it, read other comics if you care more about that than the story.

Complaining on the internet about that put you on the same level than SJW.

>They do not 100% draw more clothed women.
yes they do otherwise you could post hundreds of recent examples which you guys never do. only making excuses.
>now there is less; those are the trends
at least you are adminting that things have changed due to outside pressure.
trends which were forced upon by a small minority. trents are supposed to be set by the majority of fans and be profitable. but comic sales only continue to go down and yet artists are still forced to continue with the trend for political reasons

This story is set in the past see

ACKTUALLY comic revenue has been going steadily UP since the crash in the 90s, and only fell in 2017/18 after rising steadily in the 2010s

>yes they do otherwise you could post hundreds
Several have been posted alrzady.
>at least you are adminting that things have changed due to outside pressure.
I never admitted it was due to outside pressure. Let artists draw the way they want. Otherwise, you are basically just like a SJW.

>find example of sexy catsuit with cleavage
>N-no, it has to be THIS kind of outfit!
You're like a poster child for shifting the goalposts

>I have no arguments
thanks for agreeing with me
>read other comics if you care more about that than the story.
that´s the problem there aren´t any comic anymore which have the things I like. liberals always demand that everything panderers to their propaganda to 100%. every kinda of "wrong think" has to be destroyed in their eyes
>artist draw their women the way they want.
again a lie. artists are forced to draw their women all covered up now thanks to liberals and sjws

A lot of super villains should use their talents to do private companies. Practical effects are always better too

>artists are forced to draw their women all covered up now thanks to liberals and sjws
Despite the fact that multiple sexy outfits from the past few years have been posted already, you still haven't given a source that they've been forced to change how they draw.

>artists are forced
Source?? Link it you faglord

yeah the keep increasing the prices but actual sale numbers of comics have been down for years. they just keep milking and ever decreasing pool of die hard fans. this is won´t work long term

>thanks for agreeing with me
I have arguments.
>that´s the problem there aren´t any comic anymore which have the things I like.
Top Cow and Image comics
>liberals always demand that everything panderers to their propaganda to 100%.
And you are asking comics to pander 100% to you. Again, it's up rto the artist.
> artists are forced to draw their women all covered up now
Again, conspiracy are not valid arguments.

>Several have been posted alrzady.
they all have been disproven already

Diamond is slowly getting phased out, digital is finally rising. Thank fucking god

>they all have been disproven
Nope; you failed to do that.

ok show me some cheescake form the last 12 months I don´t care
you won´t find it either

seems smaller to me.
rest of the comic doesn´t even show her cleavage

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>all been disproven
Where?

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not really. you just posted year old stuff and stuff which doesn´t even come close to how women used to be drawn in the past.
it really didn´t not prove anything

>but actual sale numbers of comics have been down for years.
They've been steady for two decades now.

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black cat used to show way more cleavage then this
see

You just posted ANOTHER page that showed her cleavage, you dumb fuck

>you just posted year old stuff
False.
>.
False.
I just showed to you Black cat's beast are bigger than what they used to be.

>digital is finally rising.
has been less then 10% for three years now.
it´s irrelevant

>seems smaller to me.
Now you are blind. her breast there Are clearly bigger than her breasts there

It’s the same amount, if not more

>black cat used to show way more cleavage then this
She also used to show less. you are failing to make a point again.

Also, her breasts are actually bigger than in one of the comic you showed.

She has just as much cleavage now, you're just lying about what everyone's eyes can see.

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pretty amazing that 2007 managed to beat 2018 despite superhero movies nowadays being at an all time high in popularity.
notice how since 2016 sales have declined
and 2019 is probably going to continue this course judging by how terrible febuary was

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Nope, not anymore

As in the share is actually increasing

Just shut up already, it's like the only way you are able to see a female body is with comic books.

There is a thing called porn out there on the internet. Go look it up.

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2017 and 2018 were a dip, but that's not consistent with your "SJWs took over in 2014 and drove down the industry" theory. 2017/18 are also still better than a ton of years past such as 2000-2005, 2009, and 2011

>she also used to show less
Fuckin this. What’s the point of comparison if you’re just going to cherrypick?

>mysterio
>black suit
>Felicia+Peter
I won't lie, I enjoyed this and want more, thanks op

The maddening part is, he started to make those complain precisely because she was showing more again. But because ishe wasn't straightforward wearing her most revealing outfit either, he decided that the one comic that has started to show more skin was the right place to make his whole rant.

Why does PAD consistently get shitty tracers for his books?

Well fuck

You know how a lot of doctors will spend time in underprivileged areas with poor medical facilities? It's like that, but PAD is going to try and help out shitty artists.

>People buy books that say "Peter David" regardless of art quality.
>Marvel has some tracing freelancers lying around.
>???

Is it me or does Land's work look more... anime-ish?

Man, Land is ok when it comes to the action-y pages earlier, but he can't draw normal human faces for shit.

If you're talking about the flashback stuff says here it's done by different artists.

That's from 1977.

Picked an even older example, basically to prove a point

Fun little romp, but can anyone tell me why they're revisiting that era?

Whenever art switches to Greg Land mid story it's like a punch in the face.

*teleports behind you*

Thanos, no!

>Twin Towers

I'm getting Enter Electro flashbacks.

Admitted double take.

Well probably not an exact reason but black suit Spider-Man sells and you can easily expand his symbiote suit era with these kinds of stories.

Ah yes, the one enemy that consistently proves to be Spider-Man's most dreaded nemesis: monthly payments.

>putting the other artists at the very bottom after even the letterer
That's kind of shit, there have been plenty of artists that have shared a comic and done different sequences and all got mentioned together along with their pages. Is this Land wanting more emphasis on himself and literally distancing himself from the other artists?

Ah. Well done.

>"Is it alive?"
>"Oh no. No."

Fool!

>supervillain starts to retire
>hero comes in and beats the shit out of them
>supervillain decides to keep being evil

This rustles my jimmies every time.

kek

It becomes really jarring once you start recognizing the 14 reference images he uses for all his faces.

Black suit and Felica are really having a resurgence lately in Spider-Man.

>be a supervillain minding your own business
>get mad when a superhero randomly starts beating the shit out of you

Notice how he's ignoring your post because it doesn't support his argument.

Felicia deserves it after all the crap Slott put her through.

I mean Mysterio kinda had it coming for being a supervillain in the first place. But you know what I mean.

>Those faces again

Why do comicfags allow shit like this? If you pull this kinda retarded shit in the manga industry you'd be heavily scorned upon

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Thank you, op. I could give a rat's ass about the stupid argument. I just wanted too say thanks!

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>If you pull this kinda retarded shit in the manga industry you'd be heavily scorned upon

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This also happened with Scorpion.

>Actually comparing hand draw to traced shit

My little user cant be this retarded

Who cares, you're already reading capeshit, now fuck off and let me enjoy that same capeshit without having to read your shitposting aswell.

Wearing his costume is like a woman dressing up like a hooker and walking down a dark alley at night and being surprised it's a dead end and has to take another way home.

Thing is that, and this is the thing that always gets me about people claiming all cape comics were just nothing but cheesecake until the last few years (regardless on where you stand on the issue). Cape comics being filled with massive tits, super revealing costumes and cheesecake everywhere really wasn't a thing until the 90s. It wasn't core to cape comics. If anything, it was just a popular trend for a period of time.

To say that cape comics were just an avenue for cheesecake in their depiction of women is disingenuous and ignorant whether you're making the argument for more cheesecake or less. Going back to this constantly cited Black Cat example: Black Cat's "classic" costume showed little to no cleavage. She didn't start having cleavage everywhere until the 90s, because that was the trendy thing for costume design. Her current amount of cleavage is pretty much the same as her 00s design, and her 00s design shows more cleavage than any of her costumes besides her 90s one... and her 90s one is tacky as hell.

So the constant whining about this stuff ends up not being "why can't comics go back to how they were back when they were good" (because that's generally agreed to be the 60s-80s). It's "why can't comics go back to how they were in the 90s and 00s" which is... kind of a bleak and terrible period for the Big 2? There's certainly good stuff from those two decades, but it generally wasn't the stuff dripping in cheesecake everywhere as an attempt to distract from the mediocre writing. Thus it stops being an appeal to quality, it's an appeal to nostalgia. It's not "why can't comics be good again" it's "why can't comics be like they were when I was a kid/teenager."

I am going to screencap and use your post next time this guy post in a Spiderman thread. Thanks for it.

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>pretty amazing that 2007 managed to beat 2018 despite superhero movies nowadays being at an all time high in popularity.
If you only care about the genre and not the medium, then the ubiquity of superhero movies is a bad thing. Not a good thing. If you can get your dose of superhero fiction from any medium, then you'll get it from your preferred medium, and for most people that's movies, not comics. The people that prefer comics to movies are also the people that would already be reading comics in the first place, thus the existence of the movies doesn't make a difference.

Also, let's not pretend like the Spider-man trilogy, the X-men trilogy, Batman Begins, and all of the mediocre but successful cape movies weren't absolutely massive in the early to mid-00s. People act like they can't believe all of these cape movies are coming out these days because of the MCU, but the MCU only exists because we were already getting multiple cape movies a year by that point.

Fuck off faggot no one cares about you

Why is Felicia’s hair blonde and not it’s usu platinum blonde?

Don't they only turn white when she transform ? Or was it only in the 90's cartoon ?

I KNOW! There are always complaining about boobs.

I always tell them to watch porn. Porn is fucking everywhere and people are complaining about cheesecake? Sorry, it is my rant towards those "people".

The only explanation I can fathom is she wears a disguise (wig and contact lenses) out-of-costume. Marvel Comics has a habit of mishandling and complicating Felicia Hardy's appearance. Put simply: she has green eyes, platinum blonde hair, and stands about eye-to-eye with Peter Parker. Marvel Editorial has been negligent to resolve these inconsistencies for nearly twenty years! A shame considering these features help distinguish her from other female characters. It's an embarrassing error in the source material; a couple of my friends even flipped through the issue and asked, "Why is Gwen Stacy/Emma Frost in Symbiote Spider-Man?"

The "transformation" is exclusive to the 1990s cartoon. Black Cat may as well be an entirely different character in that series.

Complete oversight by Marvel. Video games, recent cartoons, and fanart do a more accurate job of depicting her.

"Put simply: she has green eyes, platinum blonde hair, and stands about eye-to-eye with Peter Parker."
I couldn't agree more. These are literally the only three critical details about her appearance and Marvel Comics still manages to consistently f*ck them up.

Apparently many of the artists and colorists don't even bother to consult her reference sheet and entries. Delgado has been miscoloring Felicia's eyes for over a decade. Don't be surprised when they can't even get it right in her own on-going series.