Name a greater injustice in the world of animation

>Implying Tezuka didn’t took heavy inspiration on his works from Disney.
Nope. You just need to take off your weeb goggles and go back to reality. Disney “stealing” from him was just stuff coming full circle.

Also, fuck off back to Yea Forums

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Taking inspiration from something is not the same as ripping off.

youtube vids about this are still up there though

Yeah that explains why even the people working on Lion King thought it was a Kimba remake at first

The faggot who made the video shuffled different scenes and bits from the manga and show into the movie to make it look like Lion King was a 1:1 knockoff.

>>Implying Tezuka didn’t took heavy inspiration on his works from Disney.
I'm not aware of anything except character design, and in the case of Lion King they just outright stole Kimba, they didn't just take some inspiration from it.

You called Fantasia boomer hipster garbage the other day so your entire opinion on this matter is worthless

ah, I see you've been on reddit today as well

The last time I remember talking about Fantasia was months ago.

>one person is plural now
And even he didn't know at first. The fucking guy had to stumble across it on a trip to Japan.

Similar scenes are still similar regardless of whether or not the context is different.

Same thing could be said about Lion King, then. Which you obviously didn’t even watched, or the original Jungle Taitei manga at all. Otherwise you would not be parroting stuff butthurt weebs say.

Let's just firebomb anyone that ever takes inspiration from anything then. Doesn't matter what context it is, we should flay the fags for thinking similarly.

yes and "rick & morty copied from back to the future"

>Same thing could be said about Lion King, then.
No it couldn't.

There's a difference between taking light inspiration, and having your movie about a talking Lion be have extremely similar scenes to someone elses movie about a talking lion.

Stupid user you really should read that manga or watch that film released before the Lion King cause the fucking film was stole. One way or another the scenes were in the original film or its manga and then when they appear together in a film with a fucking lion then there's no way to pretend they didn't steal them and Disney has stolen many things from other people

No? Someone mentioned they remembered Kimba from their childhood when working on TLK.

it's called plagiarism

fucking LOL

Just stating a fact.

They stole it, we know they were making a deal with Tetzuka but then the guy died and Disney decided it was better just to steal his work. Even the name KIMBA SIMBA, it sounds like a Chinese copy KEK

And that's where the similarities end. Don't fucking talk like you've actually seen Kimba. It only shows how much of an ignorant moron you are for taking clips at face value.

It's true though, Disney abandoned 2D stuff and Korea and Europe aren't at that level and then better animation in USA is Korean animation thanks to globalization

t. Disney employee

I agree they ripped of Kimba but Simba is the actual word for lion in Swahili

How much does Disney pay you?

Your missing the fucking point. One is movie about a talking lion the other is a manga/anime about a talking lion. They both share very similar characters and the fucking main character of TLK's name is literally Kimba with and S. Having scene that are so similar cannot just be dismissed just because the context of the scenes isn't 1:1. Even if they didn't outright rip off the story they ripped of character concepts and scenes from Kimba, just changing the context the hide that fact.

Name the best anime shorts
Name the best anime films. Don’t say Akira or Ghibli or I’ll laugh

>if it isn't a perfect 1:1 copy then they didn't rip off anything!

Just about all Japanese animation is outsourced to Korea
There is no “best” animation because them being static and not having moving jaws is not animation

There's no reason for me to name anything.

>Just about all Japanese animation is outsourced to Korea
Myth (or projection).

>There is no “best” animation because them being static and not having moving jaws is not animation
Also a myth. This is not what anime is like.

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>They really don't want people to know.

People have shitposted the same Disney stole Kimba since the early 2000’s

And Disney is paying people to astoturf any discussion of it.

Parodied. They don't even time travel, dingus.

>about a talking Lion be have extremely similar scenes to someone elses movie about a talking lion.

Lion King is practically Hamlet with lions. I recalled I aced a test on college about Hamlet by just remembering Lion King an a Simpsons episode

Finding Nemo was a ripoff of a french children's story, and when he sued, they ruled in favor of Disney because Nemo was a slightly different shade of orange.

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It doesn't matter who did it first, what matters is who did it best. Disney wins.

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There it is, the Hamlet talking point that the Disney shills will always bring up.

You need to get out of your basement , user

I don't live in a basement and this has nothing to do with me anyway.

not even close

>Let's steal this Kimba the white lion idea. We'll name him Simba instead. And for good measure, we'll steal from Hamlet too, because it's public domain and then we can say it's different from Kimba. Also in a few decades let's fight to change laws so our intellectual properties don't enter public domain, because fuck contributing to the system that we used to build our corporation.

So just one person.

Never heard of that. What was the plot about?

One day, Disney is going to pioneer the invention of mind reading helmets so they can steal the ideas right from your head.

I once looked at Disney's movies and at least during their pre-3D era they had almost no movies (possibly none at all) that weren't in some way based on pre-existing work.

I can't read french.

This isn't even the truth of the matter. It's who has the most money and influence to defend their interests.

>Hamlet but with lions!

Wow Japan so original!

>Name the best anime shorts
Sengoku
>Name the best anime films. Don’t say Akira or Ghibli or I’ll laugh
Girl who leapt through time

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One of your fellow shills already posted this. What's your next move?

It's not but what does that say about lion king who plagiarized twice?

Oooh snap. An award winner too.

I don't get why weebs get mad at this when Disney has always been notorious for stealing ideas to make their movies. Is it because it's anime?
Then why aren't they complaining that Disney ripped off that Little Mermaid anime to make their Little Mermaid?
you fuckers do know that Kimba isn't even his jap name right?

On the topic of injustices, the worst I know of is Kemono Friends.

The only thing Lion King is a rip-off of is Hamlet.

Also, why does no one talk about the humans that take up half the fucking movie in Kimba? Is it because no one actually saw the movie when making these shitposts and just copy and paste the same screenshot comparison list?

There are no "weebs" getting mad at this, just people who don't support stealing someone else's work and then spending decades covering it up.

>muh hamlet
Two shills already posted this. Are you not even doing basic coordination with each other?

>muh humans
Ok, this wasn't posted yet (in this particular thread).

see

>Are you not even doing basic coordination with each other?
It's because it's pretty common knowledge.

If you cherry picked screenshots with zero context, you could convince people Coco is a rip-off of Book of Life despite not being similar at all.

You're dong the same shit.

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REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>Coco is a rip-off of Book of Life
People were saying that when it first came out though.

>It's because it's pretty common knowledge.
It's common procedure for the shills that Disney pays money to come to any thread pointing out that Disney stole Kimba.

>muh context
Irrelevant.

>Context is irrelevant
>Screaming about Disney shills

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Disney doing the exact same shit with The Thief and the Cobbler and Aladdin.

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>screenshots
Here's the issue, this isn't just screenshot. It's whole scenes, character concepts and even appearances. You find me footage of Coco involving talking puppets that can be used to make it look like it's ripping off Book of Life and then you have point.

Yes, it is irrelevant. Yes, you are a shill.

It is though.

>character doesn't want to be a matador wants to be musician, against family's wishes

>character doesn't want to be shoe maker, wants to be a musician against families wishes

>goes on an adventure after wrongfully being sent to land of the dead and ends up finding the character growth he needs to follow his dreams of being a musician with the acceptance from his family

Lord of the Rings ripped off Dragon Ball Z

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kimba was a series

But it's still superficial elements being used as evidence that it's a rip-off. It's like the guy convinced that Disney stole Zootopia from him when he pitched a similar idea of talking animals to them years ago. Despite there being years of development and concept art out there to get to the final product, he's still convinced they stole it from him because his vaguely similar characters resemble the final product.

Most of these don't even serve the same roles in the movie, but putting them side-by-side saying things like, "He WENT to Disney!" is enough to make people scream "RIP-OFFFFFF". People put the two dead dads in a vision together and scream rip-off, but that also happens in Hamlet and is a fucking trope. It happens in Black Panther, too.

But I'm talking about the Jungle Emperor Leo movie. That's where a lot of the comparison comes from.

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>Frodo: AND THIS IS TO GO EVEN FURTHER BEYOND
I just walked out of the theater.

(You)

Some similarities can be written off as coincidences, but when the similarities just keep piling up and piling up it's obvious what's really going on.

If The Matrix had never admitted to Ghost in the Shell being an influence there'd be people swearing that all the similarities don't mean anything.

The Goldmen designs differ a lot in terms of the animal they are.

Kimba is a Lion and Simba is a Lion
Scar is evil Lion with a dark mane and Scar, Claw is and evil lion with a dark mane and a scar
Kimba even had it's own Zazu, Rifiki and Pumba who are all the same species as their Lion King counter parts.

This isn't an injustice. "Copying an idea" isn't a violation.

They didn't just "copy an idea."

But "influence" is different from "rip-off". Why repeatedly ignore that Lion King has way more beats similar to Hamlet than it does to Kimba?

>Villain has DARK COLORS
>Story of talking animals in Africa use similar animals
>Both stories about LION the KING OF THE JUNGLE

Come on, man. For as many similarities, you can name things that aren't in both movies. Again, like every single human being in the movie who have an entire side plot about looking for a jewel. Two stories decades apart having visual similarities once every 15 - 20 minutes but less than 10% story similarities isn't a rip-off.

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Then I must have missed the tenor of the thread, because the OP and the bulk of the conversation seem to be about whether or not Disney copied an anime, down to the character arcs and villains .

Which, again, isn't an injustice. Smart phones copy each other to the point of almost being indistinguishable without detailed knowledge, and thats not a crime.

>muh hamlet
How many times are you going to do this?

>For as many similarities, you can name things that aren't in both movies
Which isn't actually relevant.

>How many times are you going to do this?
How many times are you going to ignore it?

>Which isn't actually relevant.
Than neither is your garbage thread and should be purged from the catalog.

Please tell me of all the movies about talking Lions in africa there were prior to the Lion King that aren't Kimba. Bonus points if the character share designs with kimba.

>Again, like every single human being in the movie who have an entire side plot about looking for a jewel
Tne context DOES NOT MATTER. When the scene that they share are so damn similar, when the characters they share are so damn similar, when the fucking english name of Kimba is SO DAMN SIMILAR to Simba, the differences do not excuse anything. Just because the movies are not 1:1 does not mean Lion King wasn't ripping Kimba off for the parts they needed. Copying half of a an essay and making up the rest does not suddenly excuse the fact that you copied half of someone else's work.

It's being ignored because it's an established shill tactic that tries to move the thread away from the damning visual similarities to focus on something that isn't actually relevant.

>Than neither is your garbage thread and should be purged from the catalog.
I didn't make this thread. Why do people constantly claim I'm making threads? I never make threads.

>Disney,pls.

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That was actually Matthew Broderick, voice of Simba, iirc. And being just a voice actor I doubt he had any say in the film's creation or direction.
Maybe there are others though I don't know about.

>Context doesn't matter
>In a discussion about rip-offs

Can you just trip and hit your head on your desk already so you can put yourself out of your fucking misery? It's like saying every fucking superhero is a rip-off of each other because they wear spandex and that "CONTEXT DOESN'T MATTER!!!" when talking about their backstory or personality. And then going even further retard by talking they invented the spandex look and refusing to acknowledge the strongman influence.

I don't think you know what a shill is.

Hypothetical example: there is a minute long scene that matches the scene in another movie shot-for-shot and has almost exactly the same characters and the same specific events happening. What kind of "context" could possibly explain the scene in such a way that it wasn't the result of copying the other movie?

I know exactly what a shill is. Every thread I see about this topic always immediately summons a bunch of people who make the exact same ludicrous arguments every time. They're obviously shills.

It was plagiarism definitely of concept, ideas, scenes and characters, it isn't about if Disney added SOMETHING but that Disney took all those things aka they stole them but some kids hate when people finds out some crimes their favorite corporation committed, they're like bots

The rules are different with art and intellectual properties. Plagiarism is a thing.

You definitely don't know what a shill is. Probably because you're underage and have no concept of money, so you ignored that part of the definition.

Stealing visual ideas and character concepts is still stealing you fucking mongoloid. It doesn't matter how much I change a Superman rip offs backstory and personality, I'm still ripping off Superman.

Book of Life was better than Coco though.

Why talk in hypotheticals when you can just easily link me minute-long scenes to prove your point.

Then every artist is guilty of stealing from each other, and guilty of stealing from real life, you retard.

Plagiarism is if disney took Kimba, cut it up, then tried to release it saying they made it. But they didn't, they animated and produced the Lion King themselves. I admit they copied a lot of material like character design and plot beats, but that's not plagiarism, any more than referencing a source in my report is plagiarism.

so should DC sue Toriyama just because he ripped off Superman's backstory for Goku even though the context is different?

I know what a shill is and I know you are one because you are trying to change the subject by making baseless accusations about my age.

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You're gonna have to work harder for a (you) than that, pal. Lion King is well known for being a copy of Hamlet with lions, deal with it.

So you agree that context doesn't matter.

Pathetic shill.

Goku's ONLY similarity to Superman is that he was sent to earth as a child. If DBS Broly ripped off the scene of Kal-El being sent to earth from any Superman comic or any of the Superman movies then yes, they should sue. But they didn't.

You need to seriously work on your reading comprehension.

Give me a minute-long scene of Lion King and Jungle Emperor Leo that are verbatim the same instead of talking in hypotheticals. If you can't, no rip-off.

The mouse must get it's cheese!

I was talking about a hypothetical situation and you know it. Just stop.

This thread sucks. Here's Lion King art instead.

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How do you earn?

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Welp wasn't Tezuka basically ripping off Disney? So...

No, he wasn't.

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I far prefer Disney designs, they look like actual lions. I can't stand Tezuka putting bambi eyes in every fucking characters.

By the way, didn't they have completly different plots? How similar are they in the matter of writing?

I believe it. Even had a one eyed brown evil lion lol

So, the big overdetailed eyes trend started by Tezuka didn't came from Disney Bambi, right...

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Thief And The Cobbler was never truly finished.

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>Name a greater injustice in the world of animation.
This little poor faggot.

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Tezuka's character designs were influenced by Disney. This does not mean that he was "ripping off Disney," let alone ripping off to the same degree as Disney ripped him off. Bambi's eyes also did not look like modern anime eyes.

>tfw not a Disneyfag

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>Bambi's eyes also did not look like modern anime eyes.
Yeah, at least Bambi eyes are pleasant to look at.

Tezuka copying disney way more but westerners not knowing it.

So are anime eyes.

The only thing people have brought up is that his character designs were influenced by Disney.

I always feel like no one involved in these discussions has ever seen or read anything of Kimba beyond the images with a visual similarity to Lion King that have been posted on the internet since like 1994. It's talking in circles because no one actually knows shit about Kimba and the arguments feel more based on whether you want to rail against Disney/Lion King or not.

And I mean I don't know shit about Kimba either, but for that reason I have no real position on this issue until I watch or read it myself, which I do want to actually do someday.

Rebecca Maltitol having a career.

It isn't necessary to watch or read Kimba.

What about time he published mangas featuring disney owned characters? Disney later said it was okay to be polite. But when disney made lionking he cries about it.

The movie is on YouTube. You can watch it right now.

youtube.com/watch?v=yBSSFsHWpXk

Don't. it's shit to be honest

He wasn't ripping off Disney, he was making adaptations of them without prior authorization. He died before Lion King was made and so had nothing to say about it.

I think it definitely is if you want to argue about it. Otherwise how is it even an "injustice" if it did get plagiarized if no one gives a fuck about verifying the original source?

>he was making adaptations of them without prior authorization

That's funny way of spelling plagiarism

>le poisson clown

There is no reason why it would be necessary.

It wasn't plagiarism. I just explained this to you.

That movie's from 1997 though?

If I wanted to actually compare the two I'd start with the original manga and the show, from like the '60s I guess, because we'd have to limit this to Kimba stuff that came out before Lion King (so, pre-1994). I'm not going to do it right now because I have other shit going on and I'm pretty sure there's like 60 episodes/multiple chapters I'd have to check out. compared to a two-hour movie.

Yeah I know this could be taken as me not caring much, but like I said, I am interested in viewing it for myself. But I only posted here right now because the thread happened to be up.

Comparing the 1997 movie to the Lion King is not the best idea since that movie was released a couple of years after Lion King. You should be making comparisons to the content that came out before Lion King's release, such as the original manga (which IMO was extremely different from TLK in its characters, tone and story), the 1965 anime series (which I haven't seen but which most comparison screenshots seem to be from) or the 1989 anime (which I'm not very familiar with at all).

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Well then that's a pretty terrible argument. It's just taking on faith that images I haven't seen the context of are necessarily plagiarized.

While I know those images are real, with that kind of attitude you might as well just post fanart since it's not necessary to interact with Kimba in any way, apparently.

The context doesn't matter, as was already established in the thread.

>i made a cartoon about a fucking fish with the qualities of the realistic animal respectively
>hey you cant make any more movies about a fish of the same species, i own that right.

yeah ok

Then I don't know why anyone here expects anyone to give a fuck about plagiarism, if even the people who are sure Kimba got plagiarized are actively recommending against watching Kimba.

The actual issue here is all the Disney shills and fanboys denying the plagiarism.

Well, I'm not a Disney shill, if that counts for anything. I'd just like to see Kimba for myself because I feel like I never see anything actual arguments beyond the same few images.

>explained

I guess you weren't very convincing.

I guess you are just bullshitting.

The lion king was better because they used black people

disney stole the 'lion sleeps tonight' song, just took it, offered no royalties. not much of a stretch the basis of the film was stolen too.

unrelated, i just like the tune youtube.com/watch?v=3eeifGeasus

Watching the documentary was heartbreaking.

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MACEDONIA!

In that case, though, it's literally his fault. He had DECADES to finish the damn thing.

Not at all.

Summer wars

Did anyone else hear a cuckoo clock go off?

The fact that lion king has frame for frame recreations of the same characters and the same sequences of events in a given scene is the issue, not the similarity of the plot between the two. People seem to be unwilling to realize that you can plagarise more than just a story and plot from a work. You can plagarise art, characters, settings, scenes, and almost anything else from a work. The only difference between plagarism and inspiration is that one is nigh untraceable to it's originated work. The fact that we're having this conversation at all and that those scenes are similar should be a good tipoff to the nature of it here. Kinda like how people get so mad at Steven Universe for it's anime "references" that are just blatant imagery and scenes copied almost frame by frame. At least with that you can argue it's from such a variety of sources and that it's with different characters.
I don't even think that plagarism is a problem, I think that we should be able to copy ideas and improve upon them outside of the original work. I'm not even a fan of copyright law, I don't think it's even necessary to a certain degree. I just find it incredibly hypocritical that Disney is completely unwilling to let go of any of it's copyrights when they were so willing before to copy stuff straight out of the public domain as well as just stealing stuff not from the public domain. It's a blatant double standard because they're rich. If there should be any double standard, it should logically tip the way opposite of the corporation. There's no way to control how many bart simpson pinatas get made in mexico, and it's not degrading the IP, it's just some fucks from podunk nowhere making a quick buck for a quick fuck

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Tezuka was a masterpiece, shut the fuck up.

Yeah, and animation is known for being really quick, easy work, especially when you've got maybe ten people working on a feature film in their spare time.

Not even past the first 10 posts in this thread and The Mouse is strong.

If you’re implying that Disney “stole” from the The Thief and the Cobbler, you are fucking retarded. Especially if your evidence came from the theory making a Disneyland reference.

The Thief and the Cobbler was in production hell for several decades (long before Aladdin got its production started), and was originally supposed to have VERY limited dialog and no songs.

The plots are VERY different from each other, the ONLY similarities they have with each other is that are they’re in an Arabic type of world, a poor guy falls in love with a princess, and the royal advisor also wants same said princess. Aside from location; those are VERY generic plot points for any story.

I’m so fucking sick of people making that conclusion when they haven’t seen both films to see the difference.

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If you have decades of time then there's no excuse.

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The guy who said "Doesn't matter who did it first, just matters who did it best" is right. Scream and holler all you want over a decades-old movie that ripped off another decades-old movie with a debate that everyone has since moved past. It doesn't matter, Lion King is still better overall and generally more entertaining.

And that's not a "DISNEY WINS YASSSS", Disney only has maybe a dozen great movies out of their list of, fucking what, 60? This just happens to be one of the few that was really good. (A couple of their others are Tarzan, Lilo & Stitch, Aladdin, and Pinocchio).

Does it matter that AOL was one of the first internet providers? You don't follow the first, you follow the best. Tezuka himself is great if you like that sort of stuff, but in this case, Kimba vs. Lion King, eh, I'd rather live in a world with Lion King than without.

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30 years is more than enough time to finish a fucking feature, even with 10 people.

user, some of the moments are remade shot-for-shot.

>a debate that everyone has since moved past
This is self-evidently not true.

A debate that the majority, then.

Not true. Your name is "Anonymous". That person's name was "Anonymous" too. You think I'm stupid, Anonymous?

Man Kimba looked like literal trash.

Fuck off with that shit

Sauce plz, or it’s bullshit.

I mean, that's what plagiarism technically legally is, a 1:1 copy.

It seems to look good by the standards of the time. It was made for TV.

Not having, y'know, the funding for a feature film seems like a pretty good "excuse." People have to eat and pay rent, anons. If a studio isn't paying you for your film, you're paying for it yourself, and animation--even bad animation, much less Richard Williams animation--is not cheap.

Kimba is a much larger series, and Lion King obviously doesn't deal with its major themes, like human x animal relations... HOWEVER, you do get the initial conflict with Claw which is fairly similar to Lion King's main conflict even if it's a very small part of Kimba, but considering how we're comparing a long running series with a single movie, that comparison is feasible.

Kimba's overall backstory with the human stuff removed + the initial conflict with Claw (although he just walks away at the end rather than dying) = Lion King's plot inspiration.

Fuck off retard-bro, he obviously means what happened to the film during production. Just because OP used a rip-off as an example of injustice, it doesn't mean all injustice is about ripping-off something.

Then Williams should've balanced his film around the budget he had. He produced fantastic work, but that doesn't matter in the grand scheme of things if you don't finish the fucking thing. Then it's just nice animation to look at and not a story to watch.

He clearly was very shit at prioritizing both his time and resources.

I hear they have Kimba locked up at Area 51, along with Elvis and Bigfoot.

We're talking about decades here, not a couple of years.

>Someone else
Disney isn't a person. And no one fucking cares but you. You're not gonna get justice for Kimba by whining on Yea Forums.

Where’s your evidence, faggot? If you’re in a debate thread, then fucking deliver.

It still looks like trash.

imagine being suck a corporate cuck that you unironically defend disney

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I never said Disney is a person so I don't know why you are pointing this out.

>And no one fucking cares but you.
I didn't make this thread. This thread has 200+ posts and 56 posters. This topic comes up all the time. Why are you lying?

It has 56 posters and maybe 10 of them are aggressively screaming NOOOOOOOOOOO BUT KIMBA THOOOOOOUGH.

>This topic comes up all the time.
I'm certain the last time this thread was made was sometime last fucking year. Go to desuarchive and prove me wrong.

You are totally lying when you claim that nobody cares but me, and you are also lying if you claim only a few people care.

>I'm certain the last time this thread was made was sometime last fucking year.
I've seen this thread multiple times, and it also comes up on reddit.

>Goku's ONLY similarity to Superman is that he was sent to earth as a child
And his planet was blown up. And he was raised by a kindly older person who found him bin his rocketsh- err, capsule. Older person died, leaving him alone in the world. And he flies. And is super-strong. And is faster than a speeding, um, he's really fast.And shoots energy-beams. Has a dumb weakness. Fights a green alien who can destroy planets. Nearly indestructible. Marries a bossy, black-haired chick who has a powerful father.

>as was already established in the thread.
No it wasn't.

>I've seen this thread multiple times
Go on desuarchive and prove me wrong. It would be easy if true.

>and it also comes up on reddit.
Oh I don't fucking care what retards on reddit say.

>and you are also lying if you claim only a few people care.
Few people care. You're in that category. Very few people give a shit. If they did, this thread would be posted way more than once every couple of months, at BEST.

Having watched Kimba, I can concur.

Yes it was.

>Go on desuarchive and prove me wrong. It would be easy if true.
Not my problem that you're a newfag.

>Oh I don't fucking care what retards on reddit say.
How is this relevant to anything? They still talk about it. That's all that matters.

>Few people care.
False.

We had a thread about it a couple of weeks ago.
desuarchive.org/co/thread/106589742/
Judging by a quick archive search, this is maybe the fourth Kimba thread on Yea Forums this year.
The topic doesn't pop up that often, but it's something that gets discussed every once in a while.

Actual sense in a Yea Forums thread? Wild. But yeah, I agree with the notion it's not really a big deal if they ripped off Kimba, it's just the simply hypocrisy of how uptight Disney is with their own copyrights.

So, take away most of what makes Kimba Kimba, until you're down to elements that resemble those from LK, and _boom_ "proof".

>Yes it was.
Nope.

It was. Stop lying. Get a real job.

We are talking about a much larger series compared to a movie though. It's not odd that it has tighter focus on a specific element.

There's also an obvious visual resemblance between Scar and Claw which point towards that actually being what was done, rather than it all being just a coincidence.

>Name a greater injustice in the world of animation.

Okay.

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The doc is called Persistence of Vision. It's a great insight into the film's history and the animation biz in general.

It was not.

Funny, I could swear the woman who made that video did not intend for it to end up being often reposted on the Chan Lands. I don't think she even comes here.

It was. You are a fucking liar and a fucking shill.

Richard Williams brought this down on himself with his ridiculous perfection fetish.If you cannot finish a simple movie in 6 years you have a problem.

Today, I will remind them.

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He also referenced poses and figures a little too heavily, not quite bordering on tracing but enough to question his talent as an artist at the time.

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Oh, and this manga adaptation if Pinocchio? Completely unlicensed despite thoroughly ripping off elements that originated in Disney's film. I'd say Disney stealing ideas from one manga vs Tezuka stealing endlessly from Disney is more than fair.

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He was tasked with making official disney comics for Japan, and given the freedom to change them somewhat. He was one of the few people in the country to have access to Disney comics and cartoons. There WAS no other reference, since there was very little animation available to anyone at the time. I'd say he is only half-guilty.

Kinda hypocritical of Pixar when they sued a video game developer for making a game that had the player controlling a unicycle, just because they also had a short that had a unicycle moving on its own.

>let me compile completely random scenes from the history of this series since apparently the writers ran into a wall, got knocked out, and had a fever dream putting all their vague superficial resemblances together into the Lion King
>also they used the psychic ability to see the future while unconscious since it includes a movie that came out after it was released

wow how dare they plagiarize lions fighting in a movie about them!

Did Tezuka give it a new name and pretend he came up with it? No? Then it isn't equivalent to Lion King.

People are so fucking desperate to find some way to spin this instead of accepting that a notorious megacorporation did something bad.

Popeye getting canceled for the Emoji movie.

>Completely unlicensed
He was allowed to make "japanese versions" of official Disney products. Such different Disney comics outside the US were a tradition at the time.

Still hurts. I wish Popeye got made, and SJ season 5 not.

Stop using words when you don't know what they mean, underage.

Stop digging up posts from over 5 hours ago so you can leave a reply that has already been refuted.

>underage
I'm older than you.

Dumb fucking shill. Disney is a shitty fucking company that makes nothing but embarrasing garbage rip-offs.

How are you able to tell?

That would make you a complete fucking retard.

Disney is not the devil, and some of the things they release is good. Yes, they are a monopoly, but the artist that work for them are not to blame, and their works should be judged on case-by-case basis.
>I am older than you
You cannot say that without proof, user. Time to post some photos.

Disney takes other people's ideas, pays off critics and sends out shills because their movies are fucking shit and they know it.

>You cannot say that without proof, user.
Where's your proof that I'm underage, you fucking retard shill?

I said some of Disney's current material is good, implying most is NOT. Guess I am a bad shill.

>I'm older than you.
Sure you are, kid.
Your damage control won't work here. Just admit you don't know what shill means because you're embarrassing yourself.

>kid
I'm older than you.

>Your damage control won't work here.
Projection.

>Just admit you don't know what shill means because you're embarrassing yourself.
You fucking shills always use this fucking tactic. I wish I could beat your fucking skulls in with a crowbar. You make me fucking sick. Goddamn revolting subhuman parasites. Everyone who works for Disney deserves to fucking die.

You're just further proving that you're both underage and still don't know what a shill is.

His style is influenced, but his stories are vastly different.

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And I feel like people are blatently ignoring the imagery, character concepts and designs that were in Kimba that were cpearly ripped off. I don’t need to watch the whole movie, the video in the OP shows me all the similarities I need to see. No one is saying they ripped Kimba off 1:1.

They're not even fucking walking across the log in a way that seems joyous or jubilant in any capacity.

The Virgin Kimba vs The Chad Simba lol

George Miller should sue the shit out of Buronson and Tetsuo Hara

lol, what a dumbass.

>They both share very similar characters and the fucking main character of TLK's name is literally Kimba with and S.

Simba is a word for lion. I'm pretty sure that this is the real reason why so many people find this idea persuasive, and then don't comment on their embarrassment when they find out.

>context, IE execution, doesnt matter
retard, and i dont even care about disney enough to defend them

Desilusional, im surpriced the west have an animation industry at all

>covers are bad
Fuck off.

If this isn't a rip off...

Never really understood the whole Hamlet thing since TLK isn't a tragedy, or involve events like almost literally everyone dying due to their own incompetent scheming, or a sister wanting her brother's dick. Timon and Pumbaa are main characters and yet they're compared to a pair of nobodies most famous for dying. Is it just that there's betrayal within a family? And a ghost? Because those can be found in many things.

>Never really understood the whole Hamlet thing since TLK isn't a tragedy, or involve events like almost literally everyone dying due to their own incompetent scheming
The story is pretty clearly Hamlet, just with a different ending. It doesn't need to be a 100% translation to garner comparisons.

>or a sister wanting her brother's dick
Well there is the question of who Nala's father is...

Omg rip off

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That is a blatant lie.

How is it that being a tripfag lowers your IQ by 80 points every fucking time?

>It doesn't need to be a 100% translation to garner comparisons.
But the comparisons to fucking Kimba are completely unwarranted though?

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There is a massive difference between homage/parody and blatant plagarism. TLK is squarely I'm the latter, is the former.

>Both were influenced by 20,000 Leagues Under the Sea
>Both had ancient magical technology cultures
>Milo and Jean look and act alot alike
>Love interests are tribal girls from said ancient cultures

That's about it.
None of the plot points or stories are similar at all.

I hope that one day they remake both of them though... Nadia and Atlantis had so much cool shit that I'd want them to be better realized. (Animated only of couse)

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THEY EVEN STOLE HIS NAME

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Look at this coincidental rock.

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Check out these coincidental hyena goons.

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What a coincidence, that this evil lion should coincidentally have brown and black fur and coincidentally have a scar on his left eye.

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Coincidentally, here are a pair of wise baboons.

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By pure coincidence, lions dangling on cliffs.

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By pure coincidence, hanging on to a tree to prevent being dragged away by a stampede while a coincidental gay bird flies around.

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What a coincidence! Young lions being unable to eat meat have to eat something they find distasteful!

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If you're gonna keep doing this shit, learn how to attach an image

Can you believe this coincidence? Disney was going to make their lion white at one point! COINCIDENTALLY.

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Coincidentally, a character gets thorns in their butt and their eyes bug out.

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Coincidental dead lion ghosts made of clouds.

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reminder that this is day 3 of nippon steel spammers being done nothing about until hours later

And were talking a few animators in their spare time doing a HAND PAINTED CEL ANIMATED FILM, not a gigantic Disney studio with literally 100 animators and artists

Name the best Disney ones

Go back to sucking John K's wrinkly cock.

>a simple movie
>Thief and the Cobbler

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This picture is one of the most incriminating pieces of evidence that Lion King was originally supposed to feature a white lion, but at the same time, I've always been uncertain whether that lion cub is actually supposed to be white or not. One of those cubs is in the shadow while the other one is in direct sunlight. Is it genuinely white like Kimba, or is it just looking more pale because of the lighting? I can't tell if its fur color is different from the other cub's, or if it's more like that one scene in Bambi where the exact same deer look very pale immediately after looking very dark.

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I mean, it isn't even all that surprising considering Disney has made a business out of using other properties and making it their own.

Holy Shit it's dunning Krueger-kun

>Director of Lion King literally lived in Japan for years before Lion King was in production
>only for them to not only claim that they didn't know about Tezuka or his works (which is absolute bullshit considering Tezuka HIMSELF met Disney)but also SENT A C&D for the sequel
Disney are a bunch if lying scumbags, and the fact that there are people even in this very thread willing to defend them for this is disgusting.

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*for the sequel of Kimba

>Still caring about this
We get it, you weebs got butthurt over this so called injustice. Move the fuck on already, it's been 20+ years now

The first ever cel-animated feature film is now forever lost due to Stalin's stupidity and WW2
vimeo.com/1524708
lostmediawiki.com/The_Tale_of_the_Priest_and_of_His_Workman_Balda_(partially_found_Soviet_animated_film;_1930s)

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he wasn't a real furfag because he didn't do gay smut

...unfortunately

>BREAKING NEWS
>disney has RIPPED OFF content

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>he wasn't a real furfag because he didn't do gay smut
Even without that doesn't baggy qualify him?

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Woah woah wait, it doesn't count as real furry if the (drawn) balls don't touch? Because that's a real load off my mind.

IMO gay and hetero furries are both equally much furfags. Tezuka was definitely one, and his transformation fetish kinda veered into /d/-territory too. I'd post pics but this is a blue board. Just search for a work named as "Erotica of Osamu Tezuka".

>he wasn't a real furfag because he didn't do gay smut
You sound like a furfag in denial
Remember the slippery slope to being Tyrone's bottom bitch begins with liking GIRL animals

lol true

Wasn’t Lois Lane’s father just a General though?

I am a Disneyfag, but I still feel like I should call Disney out on their bullshit whenever possible. Just because I love their animated stuff doesn't mean I should support cancerous business practices as well.

Dude we literally just had an entire year of Tezuka storytimes. Just look at any if those in the archive and you can easily see that no, his stories never "ripped off" Disney.

Nope. You must have brain problems.

So Osamu Tezuka should have copyrighted Lions, or just animated Lions, or what?
Because I'm pretty certain he didn't invent the concept of Lions as the King of Beasts, and I'm reasonably certain he didn't invent dynastic intrigue (Lion or otherwise).

He shoulda called up Walt and said "sorry, I have dibs on Lions in perpetuity".

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He died before this rip-off came, you dumb Disney shill.

So his death was supposed to prevent anyone from ever doing an animated cartoon about a pride of lions being king of their realm?
Is that what you are selling?
Because that's pretty much the default story for non anthropomorphic Lions. They aren't going to build a mall or start an airline or something.

>Because that's pretty much the default story for non anthropomorphic Lions.
Because Tezuka MADE it the default you dumb fuck. He was the one that started the trope to begin with. And no, it's not even the story that's the biggest problem here, it's the blatant imagery and scenes ripped straight from Tezuka's work all while Disney are being massive hypocrites about the situation.

>Because Tezuka MADE it the default you dumb fuck. He was the one that started the trope to begin with.
Find me evidence that Tezuka invented the concept of Lions being the King of Beasts, sovereign of the Jungles/Plains of Africa.
I'm pretty certain that it predates him by at least a couple centuries, and I'm also pretty sure dynastic in-fighting as a story concept predates him by at least a couple millennia.

So what you are trying (and failing) to sell me is that Osamu Tezuka somehow holds a patent on animated Lions doing Lions-stuff in Africa.

Basically you hate Disney so much its made you retarded.

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The concept of lions being associated as a symbol of kings or depicted as a king of all animals is ancient, from long before Tezuka was even born.
The whole controversy raises some interesting questions, but the idea of a lion being a king isn't an important part.

>Name a greater injustice in the world of animation.

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>if I reduce the argument down to the most simplistic essentials while ignore every bit of evidence that goes against my narrative, then it's clearly not plagiarism!

Holy fuck, are you that same retard on Yea Forums that claimed HxH didn't rip off Dragonball's RPS technique because "RPS has always existed"?

So this movie is basically the Led Zeppelin of Yea Forums.

>Led Zeppelin
Care to elaborate?

How can you be this reatarded? Disney straight up stole entire scenes from Kimba, and you'd know that if you read the fucking thread.