Why did all of Asgard reject Hela's right to the throne after Odin passed away? Also, why were the ancient Asgardian warriors she resurrected so weak? They conquered the Nine Realms, given new life by some of the strongest magic in the universe, but they're more useless than Stormtroopers.
It feels like Marvel loves to introduce extremely powerful characters like Hela to make the stakes feel high, but they don't want to deal with the consequences. She should have gotten everything she wanted, the heroes only won because of a long string of good luck and power level garbage.
>Why did all of Asgard reject Hela's right to the throne after Odin passed away? Because her place as Odin's daughter was erased from Asgardian history. Which seems kind of dumb unless she and Odin are the only people who've survived since when she was his right-hand gal. Well that would also be dumb. Honestly the whole erased history shit doesn't make a lot of sense but it's the answer there. >Also, why were the ancient Asgardian warriors she resurrected so weak? They're mooks, mooks are weak regardless of how strong they should be. Sort of an application of the conservation of ninjutsu trope. >the heroes only won because of a long string of good luck and power level garbage. Welcome to 99.9% of cape media, enjoy your stay.
Sorry your waifu didn't get to win, OP.
Ethan Howard
Those that had been around long enough to remember her and the old crusades were probably the ones that were the most resistant to her claim to the throne. Odin sealed that bloodthirsty bitch for a reason, and those that disagreed got locked up with her. Conversely, you could assume that Odin odinforced everyone's memories away before a certain point. But I prefer the old guard like Heimdall just NOPEing the fuck out of Princess Exterminatus being in charge of everything.
Levi Hall
Because shes a girl
Ian King
>Those that had been around long enough to remember her and the old crusades were probably the ones that were the most resistant to her claim to the throne. Odin sealed that bloodthirsty bitch for a reason, and those that disagreed got locked up with her. That's all well and good as far as assumptions go, but it's not in the movie. In the movie nobody except Odin is shown to have anything to say about Hela and mostly act like they've never seen her, treating her like an outside invador mostly. >Conversely, you could assume that Odin odinforced everyone's memories away before a certain point. Sure, that's fine, but again that has to be assumed because the movie just glosses over interactions between Hela and Asgardians unless they're trying to kill each other or it's just Skurge being a pouty bitch.
I'm generally okay with "turn your brain off bro, it's just a cape movie", but let's not pretend the movie adressed any of this. She's evil, they're good, so they fight.
Christian Gutierrez
I feel like if she'd shown up around Thor 1 there wouldn't be so much push back to her rule, considering Asgardians were still fucking shit up in other realms and were still hostile towards Jotunheim.
Isaiah Johnson
I have a real hard time accepting the resolute anti-crusade moralfagging of every Asgardian when Odin is dead and Ragnarok is just around the corner. Those fucking NPCs were genuinely at their happiest when Loki had them all fooled into thinking everything was normal, god dammit I hate Asgard so much.
Michael Wood
>Those fucking NPCs were genuinely at their happiest when Loki had them all fooled into thinking everything was normal Well they weren't exactly at war at the time, they were being lazy bitches, and they were being lied to. I'm not seeing the contradiction to them opposing Hela.
Josiah Morris
Its not a contradiction, its totally consistent with their character. I'm just judging them harshly for it. Maybe a good war would build some needed character for those lazy NEETs.
Lucas Edwards
>Why did all of Asgard reject Hela's right to the throne after Odin passed away? Because Odin erased all evidence of her. She just rocks up out of nowhere, not even Odin's other children knew a thing about her, so why would your average Asgardian? And if nobody knows her, why would they take her at her word that she's the rightful ruler?
>Also, why were the ancient Asgardian warriors she resurrected so weak? They were skeletons animated by a handful of green flame and they still proved effective enough, it just so happens that Thor and company are Incredibly strong. But as the other user said, mooks. Black widow can take on chitauri and Ultron drones. Thor and co can take on skeletons.
>heroes only won because of a long string of good luck and power level garbage. Which would be a bigger issue if they didn't explain that it was all prophesied at the beginning. Ragnarok was foretold and what not and Thor realised that he had to cause it. Which fell inline with the prophesied vision he has in Age of Ultron about how he "destroyed Asgard", the difference being he saved the people. Welcome to capeshit.
Mason Campbell
I guess, but for Asgardians there doesn't seem to be a "good war" mode, they're either at peace or they're violently colonizing lesser people.
Lucas Taylor
I know I am late to the party, and was probably asked a billion times, but what were her powers then? Creating knives out of thin air? It seemed like everyone was scared shitless of her powers of knife summoning.
Also if Heimdall seen everything, why didn't he say something about Odin dying and Loki being in charge under his guise? and if he didn't saw anything why did Loki upset the status quo by firing him?
Thomas Powell
1. Because she summons instruments of death and uses them with high levels of skill to maximum casualties. She took on the Asgardian army like they were nothing but CGI dummies on a greenscreen soundstage.
2. Because prior to the film, Loki, as Odin, has Heimdall banishes as a traitor, and set guards to watch for him. Who would you believe, the guy who claimed the dead Prince was masquerading as the wise old king who lead Asgard through thousands of years of struggle, or the wise old king who lead Asgard through thousands of years of struggle who banished someone for being a traitor?
Parker Sullivan
Eh, I think context was enough without gratuitous exposition in this case. Her era is established to have occurred long ago, before Thor or Loki were born. It's established that Asgard had a very different approach at that time, and while Odin softened up, Hela did not and had to be forcibly put away. There's enough there that never questioned why Asgard's people rejected her.
Younger folks never heard of her because older folks don't like talking about all the ugly xenocides and shit, including Odin, who has a history of trying to cover up awkward info. Loki, anyone? Seems not worth the two lines it would take to explain further. Time better spent on Grandmaster jokes.
Gabriel White
I'm struggling to get my head around the idea that Thor: Ragnarok is too complex a narrative for people here to follow.
Jack Evans
>heroes only won because of a long string of good luck and power level garbage
First time getting into comics, eh?
Josiah Russell
Imagine watching capeshit so you can keep all of your questions and ideas to yourself
Brayden Nelson
So Ragnarok is immediately after 2? Or Thor was away for so long? Because he seems surprised when he returns like it is a very recent development, yet at the same times immediately knows what's what with Loki
I admit, I don't really remember 2 that much.
Jeremiah Davis
>Also, why were the ancient Asgardian warriors she resurrected so weak? Does it matter? They're undead cannon fodder Hela could've resurrected virtually forever
>but they don't want to deal with the consequences >the heroes only won because of a long string of good luck and power level garbage. What? It's like you're talking about a different movie. How did power levels save the day when Thor still couldn't stand up to Hela despite his "unlocked" powers? The heroes won by literally sacrificing everything they had
Eli Garcia
Maybe he means Surtur's power level. Although that would be stupid, Surtur with the Flame empowerment was always going to destroy the world and not even Odinforce in Simonson's run would have been a match if he got to the flame.
Ryder Ward
There's a few years between them. The timeline as I understand it is:
>Thor II ends with Thor on earth, Loki sits on the throne and Odin is banished >With Thor off world the only threat to Loki is Heimdall so somewhere after this point he'd get the sack and end up banished. >Winter Soldier has SHIELD fall and Loki's sceptre ends up in the hands of HYDRA. >The Avengers begin raiding HYDRA bases and "eventually" track the sceptre to Sokovia >Age of Ultron happens and Thor has a vision of the infinity Stones, decides to up and leave to track down the remaining stones >Goes on a quest throughout the nine realms and ultimately ends up in Surtur's jail. >Undisclosed time period later, Ragnarok starts.
Thor has been away long enough for his return to merit surprise and an official announcement, and for Skurge to be taken aback by Thor not knowing him
Xavier Lewis
He was gone for a number of years trying to learn more about the Infinity Stones and his visions of Ragnarok. When he's back he suddenly finds giant Loki statues and Odin applauding cheesy tales of his heroism, of course he could immediately tell it was Loki
>Also if Heimdall seen everything, why didn't he say something about Odin dying and Loki being in charge under his guise? Wasn't that him being "blind" part of the prophecy or whatever fuck you?
Jace Davis
Because she's a weirdo death god and nobody likes those.
You know, when you put it like that, the only surprising thing is how Thor was the only one who noticed.
In my defense, I completely forgot about that prophecy
Charles Davis
>In my defense, I completely forgot about that prophecy Can't blame you, it was awkwardly forced in one of the MCU movies most people don't rewatch much.
Justin Baker
Why did this movie suck so much ass?
Xavier Cox
If Odin didn't odinforce the memories of everyone we could have expected some Hela loyalists too, even if Heimdall (who wandered off like a hobo before she returned anyway) was opposed.
The visions Wanda gave them weren't literal. Steve and Widow saw horrific alternate versions of their past. Thor saw flashes of the infinity gems set against the stats. Tony saw a bigger chitauri army invading and the Avengers dead on a space rock. Even though Endgame ain't dropped yet, it's a fair assumption that they won't all come true exactly as foreseen.
Heimdall being blind is probably a manifestation of Thor's fear, like everyone else's was.
Ayden Bailey
You're saying the Heimdall blind thing was in the Wanda vision, not the cave prophetic vision?
Charles Harris
Things were different with Thor, his "divinity" interfered with the visions and made them prophetic
Logan Rogers
>Because her place as Odin's daughter was erased from Asgardian history. Which seems kind of dumb unless she and Odin are the only people who've survived since when she was his right-hand gal. Well that would also be dumb. Honestly the whole erased history shit doesn't make a lot of sense but it's the answer there. Asgard was a monarchy. If Odin decreed a part of history was not to be spoken of, that's how it was gonna be.
The warriors she resurrected were probably the ones who supported her when Odin put her down that were slaughtered by Odin's supporters, but Odin's guilt over having entertained Hela's tendencies for so long lead him to give them a proper burial in a clandestine tomb.
Also, it was fucking hilarious how everyone thought Cate was gonna give some amazing Shakespearean performance and she literally just shows up and looks edgy for a few scenes.
Dominic Ortiz
It was much better than Thor 1 and 2
Gabriel Hernandez
You probably prefer Captain America stuff to Cosmic Marvel. This was the first Thor movie that actually brought comics Thor to life properly.
David Martin
Cate is great in everything even if the scripwriters don't give her a good speech.
>Why did all of Asgard reject Hela's right to the throne after Odin passed away?
Because, as other anons said, Odin erased her from history. And she had no right to the throne. The fact that he banished her and had her removed from record is a clear indicator that he removed her from the line of succession. As is the right of a monarch and father.
Jacob Smith
She was the best part about that movie, (aside from GILF Marion).
I wish we got to see more of her telepathy.
Ryder Parker
>You know, when you put it like that, the only surprising thing is how Thor was the only one who noticed.
Not really. With the rest of Asgard, Loki had time with them to butter them up. But then Thor comes along, having not been buttered up, in the thick of the ham and clearly sees something isn't quite right.
Matthew Jenkins
Too bad they made Thor into another quiplord
Nathaniel Martinez
>Also, why were the ancient Asgardian warriors she resurrected so weak? They're a zombie army. Why would they be strong?
Ethan Ortiz
Would it have helped Hela's claim to declare she was disowned because Frigga put a spell on Odin? It's not like anyone alive could contradict what she says...
nobody said she was from a different mother though
Aaron Stewart
Even if she wasn't she could say Frigga favoured Thor for whatever reason (momma's babby vs daddy's little warlord)
Hunter Diaz
Another thing to consider is that Asgard may also favor male heirs. So even if Hela had not been banished, Thor would've automatically gone to being first in line anyway. Whether or not Hela allowed him to survive into adulthood is another matter of course.
Levi Martinez
Smoky eyed Hela with her hair out looked much better than the rejected Catwoman outfit.
Andrew Howard
>Another thing to consider is that Asgard may also favor male heirs Oh boy here we go.
