European Propaganda Animation

Lets start with the Danish Parliament's European Election 2019 propaganda video

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Is it something that has to do with article 13 ?

>Voteman is coming
I'll bet he is.

>European Parliament
>Having any say in regulation besides "yes" or "Go revise it"

I would unironically watch a series of cartoons about Voteman forcing lazy young people and senile old people to vote, so that democracy finally can represent the will of the people.

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That was nice.

They do however elect the top bureaucrats of the commission, as in, who's gonna be the next commissioner to fuck over Google.

>Muh climate change
when will eurotards stop crying about muh russia or muh global warming/no wait heat actually makes it cold and all those nothing burgers and instead worrying about christianity being killed and supplanted by islam and their nation being replaced by arabs and blacks?

UK's system is in theory plenty able to represent the will of the people due to constituencies but it's hampered by severe party politics and that's why it's a literal circuis right now.

However next electrion Labour and the Tories are probably going to have to form a coalition with UKIP due to their massive potencial surge.

No, they serve lobby and interest groups the EU is specifcially built to serve.

The European council has jack shit say in any legislation that actually happens just like the European Parliment.

If the Comission wants to regulate how thick condoms need to be all the Parliament and council can do is reject the bill, but the commission can simply edit a single like and then bring it back.

The EU is basically a worse version of the US, with interest groups being the only groups actually listened to.

I mean how do you think Article 11 and 13 passed? Or even were conceived?

Bullshit, your country is dead set on erasing any unique culture and making it illegal in the EU for others.

How about you visit Germany sometime user. Ironically the only really Christian parts is ex-Communist East Germany and some of the north.

Christianity =/= culture though, We don't ban country flags due to fears of nationalism here in the UK.

At least not yet, but your political ideas are poisoning our country, the faster we are out of the EU the better.

If the council members weren't fine with it, they'd veto. They all profit from the work of the commission.
It's the perfect system anyway. Whenever a member of the council wants to pilfer money from his own populace, he can hire the commission to make new regulations that everyone has to follow. And whenever people at home then complain, he can simply claim that it was the evil commission that made him do it, despite the council being able to easily ignore them if they want.

It's genius, really. Thanks to dumb ignorant people having no clue how things work and being uninterested, nothing will change, and thus, everyone profits from it.

>Christianity is being killed!
>No it's fine if it dies as long as my white power culture survives

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I'm not the same person going "Muh christians" you inbred kraut.

And my culture has never been about White Power, but my culture has been one of the forefronts and the model example of a strong, secular Democracy.

That's why your EU hates us, we never will tolerate your insect like demands for socialism you disgusting germanic fuckwit.

German wants white people and their culture to die.... typical.

Okay, name me one (1) cultural aspect of Germany that is being lost.
And you can't just yell "muh christianity"; a signifiant amount of people in my parent's generation (who were students around the time the wall fell) do already not know why people celebrate pentecost, one of THE most important christian holidays, period.

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Hey retard, you have socialized medicine and housing in your country, you are socialist.

If white people dying out means my ancestors don't have to listen to insecure shit heads rant about their glorious culture, that's a good thing.

>White power ideology
>Britain

Britain turn of the century was literally the most progressive and intellectually open country in the fucking world bar maybe the US.

Your country was the one with the corrupt socialists feeding groups of national socialists valid complaints.

No, we have a National Healthcare and Nationally subsidised homes.

Neither are means of production and neither are owned by the people you fucking retard.

Socialism is for Germans, Liberalism actually works.

What if my will is to not vote?

You lost your lyrics to your fucking National Anthem.

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Yuropoorians really ought to start making comics and cartoons where they talk more about the European Union. The citizens of the nations within the EU know that they're somehow in the EU, that they don't have to pay for roaming anymore, and perhaps don't need visas for intracontinental travel. But aside from that, nobody has a clue what the EU really does.

Germany is not socialist, it's a Sozialstaat. There is a difference. And yes, having national healthcare makes you one.

This thread, despite the potentially interesting premise that the OP holds, will devolve into political shitflinging and will likely be deleted between 200-300 posts.

If you put in an empty vote, it's still a vote, so you should be safe from Voteman's wrath.

>I pay for other peoples healthcare and housing but it's not socialism!
You're like a boomer burger trying to grapple with having a Socialist program for their retirement plan.

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If a nation is made out people and the nation directs the health care than who owns the health care?

>Civic Services are Socialist.

I don't think you understand both what the NHS is and what Socialism is.

The government rendering Services to the people is not Socialism, it's textbook Liberalism. Which is the exact opposite of Socialism.

Germans are very bad at Political theory it seems, must be the Frankfurt School properganda pouring out of your schooling.

The state.

You as a person have absolutely no right to take things the NHS owns.

But you can use the services rendered by the NHS as a right of citizenship ( and thanks to actual socialists, be a random inbred from Europe )

There's a video from kurzgesagt in a nutshell regarding the EU.

Factually speaking, it has lyrics, the third verse is legally protected as such. However, the national anthem is not deeply legally ingrained as such as it is in French law for example. It just falls under standard regulations that apply to symbols of the state that are within reason recognized as such. Secondly, the national anthem is rarely if ever used. It is not an active part of German culture. So not only are you wrong on an entry-level wikipedia basis, you naming the national anthem is something integral to German culture just outs you as a foreigner.

Eu is the new Ussr and the nations are what the autonomus oblasts were in soviet russia. Complete with mass importations of foreign people into every nation, just as the bolsheviks did to their regions.

Communism doesn't mean you take whatever you want, the state made up by the body politic of free people direct the usage of materials produced by the people towards the best and most useful outcome. Which is what the NHS is.

>just outs you as a foreigner
Nothing new to Pooropeans especially Germans kek enjoy being replaced by turks arabs and blacks, LMAO

Wat?

The EU is too much of a capitalistic confederacy to really be anywhere close to the old glorious Soviet Union, comrade.
However, fear not. President-czar Putin, the smartest and most powerful politician of the 21st century who has defeated the Anglosaxon swinedogs of the US and the United Kingdom through the use of shitposting trolls and Facebook, will one day manage to integrate the European Union into the Russian Federation.
Nothing beats Russian gas.

There are no such regulations for symbols of the state in my country, we can fly our colours happily.

By your extremely vague ideas then every single civic branch that has ever included any sort of civic duty or services is socialism.

>Government has services
>This makes it Socialist

This kind of Post modernist simplicity makes discussing anything redunant, it's not socialism because by it's design there is a distinct seperation of Civic and Public duties; You can still be a medical practitioner and not be under the NHS for example and the public cannot demand anything of the NHS as it is run like a civic service.

You, as a citizen, own absolutely nothing of the NHS. You pay taxes, the state provides a service.

what part of "Germany is not socialist, it's a Sozialstaat." do you not understand? A Welfare state is not a socialist state. Germany, by it's own legal framework, does not interpret itself as a socialist state. If you look up the word "Socialism" on Wikipedia and Ctrl+F Germany, you will not find it in your desired context. Social Democracy is not Socialism. Do you speak English?

>Our national anthem is not legally ingraned it is in X countries law.

Then your laws are actively there to reduce National symbolism. I can't think of a single fucking country that has laws that regulate symbols of the state.

>There are no such regulations for symbols of the state in my country, we can fly our colours happily.
Are you sure? Because here these laws make no practical difference either.

>It's just state socialism, it's not socialism.

Well you're correct on one thing, actual socialism would sort of imply the state is supposed to be an elect of the free peoples.

Individualism is a myth in Germany, the collective matters only. Like insects.

>These laws make no practical difference either

Why do you have them then?

>Germany isn't socialist
>But the UK is

???

>Then your laws are actively there to reduce National symbolism.
no. They just *aren't* there. It just isn't written in the constitution.
>I can't think of a single fucking country that has laws that regulate symbols of the state.
Normally, smybols of the state have some form of ownership, however binding that may be, and of course have owners rights.
en.wikipedia.org
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Also, Flag burning in front of an audience in order to spite the respective country is illegal in Austria, Swiss, Germany, and other countries.

>Social Democracy

Ah yes, the Frankfurt schools big brainchild, copying the Liberal textbook and claiming you fixed all the issues of socialism.

Like all Germany works, it's a poor imitation of British design.

Is it illegal to burn the German flag in Germany.

If you're trying to claim ownership rights are some form of regulation of symbols of state, they're pretty piss poor.

Germany is the only country where Nationalism is seen as a bad thing.

I never said that, see learn to read.
Germany and UK are welfare states.
no, it isn't state socialism. It's state capitalism if you wanna go that route.
they just cover matters such as.
aristic freedoms etc are not infringed.

>Artistic freedoms are not infringed.

Unless we vote them to be infringed in the EU.

>Is it illegal to burn the German flag in Germany.
it depends on the reason, yes
If you literally publically go "death to Germany allahu ackbar" and burn a flag you commited a crime.
if it's art, or dumb shit, then no.

>I never said that
>Argument started because you claimed civic programs are socialist and the UK is socialist for this.

>Muh welfare state

No, as much as we claim it to be, the NHS was founded on principles of Civic Service outlined in Liberal philsophy.

While we provide state welfare, we are not a welfare state.

just CDU things, don't get me started.

Or an act of protest. Which makes your regulation pointless.

If you pay taxes and you vote for a representative to debate with other representatives voted in to represent other peoples that means through extension the people control the government, if the people control the government than it follows that every service provided by the government is owned by the people, and distributed for the people's good. Unless the NHS is a privately held company with it's own stakeholders than it can be assumed that stake holders in the NHS is the government, if the government is owned by the people, it follows that the people own the NHS.

As a counter example, while Americans do have Government provided health insurance, it's only that, state subsidies to use health care. They don't actually have the right to use health care that they want, the government only directs the health care industry in so much as providing a baseline cost to their services through how much the government is willing to pay for the service and a maximum on some services deemed critical to civilian health. The health care industry is privately owned and only directed by the people through the competition between other health service vendors. Not socialism.

You guys are allowed to post as much as you want. The thread's on autosage mode.

>>Argument started because you claimed civic programs are socialist and the UK is socialist for this.
not me, sorry if I did not make this clear. I chimed in saying and
I don't get the socialist angle, it makes no sense for either country.

>en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_sector

That's not how the Public Sector works. You own absolutely nothing in what a Public Sector company or industry does.

You are simply not denied it's services. It's not "Owned by the people"

It's paid for by the state.

Just like state parks, you have the right to the access of the utilities, but you do not own the land and cannot use it how you see fit.

I understand completely what you're saying, and I know Germany is not a Socialist state.

However it is following a Philsophsical viewpoint from the Frankfurt school, which was a bunch of communists trying to "fix" Marxism by borrwing ideas from Liberalism.

The point is Germany is a very bad Political model, and exists entirely to service economic powers that use the model to sit as state sanctioned bodies.

In short, Germany works how the Tories wish our government worked, and that's why they love the Welfare state.

it comes from post-WWII, man.
It was political imperative to implement laws that do 2 things:
1) legally implement a backdoor that allows people to violently rebel against the state should it become totalitarian
2) make threats of openly wanting to destroy democracy illegal
The details are intricate but I would have to properly translate German lawspeak for that
but you can imagine that it is political suicide to try and remove such laws, no matter how fringe they are.

Except it didn't because the Welfare state and Social Democracy ideas came from the Frankfurt school.

Hence why you have a big boner for "State" owned enterprises in Germany. The reality being the enterprises have more power than the people in Germany.

I wouldn't expect you to be well verses in Political theory though, that's not what your state wants otherwise you may suddenly grow conservative ideals and we don't want anything to go against the Welfare state.

It works well enough for now, and of course UK law is not without it's warts, either. To me it boils down, on a very reductionist level, to Locke vs. Hobbes. And Germany falls closer to Hobbes, with heavy Kantian influence.

We were talking about burning flags, and I was alluding to the concept of "streitbare demokratie" which *is* post-WWII. It fits in the greater scheme of things because of this. this is an entirely different topic.

It only really works due to trickle down economics really. Germany has a bigger economy than the UK, one based on manufacture, yet it's living standards are often WORSE than the UK even in the north.

For all of it's talk about "Social" the reality is the state, like most modern states, exists primarily as a regulator of the economy.

It's not unique though, the farce of our large political parties basically ensures most people in the UK question the point of our government at all, and we'd probably be better off disbanding the house of commons and letting the fucking queen dictate.

One of the biggest problems that faces the UK is the Welfare state and how it has crushed the normally Civic systems designed of Classical Liberalism alongside Neoliberalism not understanding that Liberalism demands public institutions.

In short, we had our politics pretty sorted out, but then we decided to stop following what was useful and decided to blow out all of our institutions by making more poor people.

Social Democracy is simply not as effective and useful as a strong well defined classical Liberal system.

In short. Blaire was too much of a Social Democract and fucked over half our civics on top of his underhanded illegal migrations

And Thatcher before him fucked over the civics by hoping making them private with no competition would make them better.

Literally the worse of both worlds with only short term goals, and Germany is sort of going down the same route.

Is it really trickle down, though? I mean, look at what recently happened to Portugal for instance, where social democrats actually pumped money into the system, bottom-up?
>yet it's living standards are often WORSE than the UK even in the north.
That I don't know. Germany's hottest topics on that front are currently rural areas and penalty mechanics of HartzIV

Considering Germany is about what 110% of the UK economy, which FAR more systems in place to spread the economy around the country I have found the living conditions worse from my visits to Germany.

It is a larger country and it's most anecdotal evidence. But putting that aside, the reliance of your country on coalition governments that don't really do much but push lobby group friendly issues is something to be very worried about. I have heard it is much harder to start up a company in Germany, and that's from the UK which is pretty draconian.

Germany really only has clout due to the massive systems like the EU put in place to benefit it's production.

Britain could easily match and outcompete Germany if our own government didn't enjoy being a bank instead of a workshop.

start ups are a weakpoint of the system, not because of regulation by itself, but because self-employment removes a lot of safety nets below you. Essentially since most people arent self-employed, there has never been much streamlining in that directection. This may change now with the internet. It starts with basic economics that you have to make your gross income, not your net income, and have to pay the parts of everything an employer would have. Then you have the same issues you have everywhere such as growth being a real killer for starting businesses the moment the number of employees requires a new layer of management, which needs a whole restructuring process many such businesses do not survive, etc.
East Germany is fucked from incompetence that occured during the fall. However, it seems some things are coming into motion there, but this will take decades.
This extreme reliance on great coalitions is a new trend that came to develop in the 90s, with the previous strategy having been more a back-and-forth CDU/SPD thing. However, the old party structures are currently crumbling, with the only consistently unchanged party being propably FDP.
Which states have you been to?