This started really good but went to shit really early

Isn’t he kinda getting a movie in Brightburn or something like that?

It's substantially edgier than that; it's an alien virus that spreads through screaming and for whatever reason specifically targets children

I wouldn't say it "went to shit", I just don't think it would ever be able to sustain the quality of those first few issues. I still think it's the best thing Waid ever wrote

it's not really to defend him because the story shows quite clearly that he has always been a bit creepy though he hid it , but the circumstances that sent everything to hell, were of an absolutely exaggerated level of bad luck. He literally takes 5 min pause, and the fucked horror apocalypse happens. Yep, artially his fault, but still a very bad luck.

Also, he met several wrong people.

Poor man's Miracleman.

Oh, THAT'S what those rumours of a movie were about? Shit, I really wanted to see Irredeemable on the big screen. It would've a trainwreck.

It has nothing to do with Miracleman. The plot's centred on a fallen Superman, not Kid Marvel

explain

Speaking of modern cape deconstructions, what do you lads think of this? Love it personally. I just love superhero pastiches/deconstructions/love letters. Pantheon, Black Hammer, Squadron Supreme, you name it.

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So given that this is disappointing, a mediocre at best breakdown of the "humanizing superman trope". What is the best anti-superman?

Basic story, alien baby goes to earth, turns out to be a fucking psychopath

I got bored of them and now buy more Silver and Bronze Age stuff. Supreme Power's great tho

My only issue was the ending. It felt very abrupt. The whole "inspiring Siegel and Shuster to make Superman" thing was good, but it just felt a little too quick. It's like, Plutonion's defeated, the world is facing no more threats, he will inspire Superman, THE END." Considering the emotional turmoil this book put us through for 37 issues I wanted something to ease us out a little better. Even one more issue or something just to reflect on the craziness.

See, this is honetly why Metro Man from Mega Mind has it right.

He doesn't owe the world shit and vice versa. Take the day off every now and again.

Yeah but Tony was not like that. He was a cute as fuck boy.

You could say its... irredeemable.
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>This started really good but went to shit really early.
If Yea Forums were to list every single series this could be applied to we'd take longer than it takes to do all of the Archie Sonic the Hedgehog comics.

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He hospitalized Max Damage as a kid

If you read Incorruptible, it does give a better sense of closure than Irredeemable by itself

There is only one actually objectively good MAX series and that's MAX Punisher

By accident. He wanted to hug him.

Not that user but *no*. Alias, Howard the Duck and Supreme Power are good. Neck yourself, Ennisfag

Little Plutonian's downfall storytime

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Mega Mind was a great movie

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It's a poor man's Miracleman. It's not my fault you can only function with retardedly literal comparisons. Miracleman explored in a much better handled and more interesting way the general topic of a superhuman from a fantastical source material being ran with seriously to see where those notions would take you. And no, it doesn't stop applying just because Miracleman didn't go on a murder spree.

>Cary basically never does anything seriously wrong the entire run besides gaining a messiah complex and turning into a bit of an asshole after letting the power go to his head, even so has good intentions and never really comes close to crossing that moral degradation horizon
>Literally everyone in the comic talks shit about him and how he's toeing the line towards becoming the next Plutonian which is a flat-out lie and he gets offed in one page by some dipshit Thor wannabe

A tragedy in three parts

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Ennis has never written anything good, fuck off

Damn, gotta admit in his shoes, i mighta cracked too, though more to being a Justice Lord, than absolute villainy

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>Literally everyone in the comic talks shit about him and how he's toeing the line towards becoming the next Plutonian which is a flat-out lie and he gets offed in one page by some dipshit Thor wannabe
He was closer to turning into Injustice Superman than Plutonian, but that's still bad

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>If I use a wide enough brush I can hit the mark somewhere
Buddy, Squadron Supreme dealt with the general idea of a Superman/superteam going wrong a good few years before Miracleman. The "evil Superman" doesn't belong to Moore or to Miracleman. I could easily say Irredeemable's a Squadron Supreme knockoff by the goalposts you're using. Understand that and you'll avoid embarassing yourself as you fellate an old man on a Thai forum.

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You are fucking stupid

Oh yeah? I tried reading that series and worse than not feeling compelling, it didn't feel important. I'll check out the last couple issues of it online though to see what you mean

That guy at the bottom has really shit proportions to go with utopians real shit excuses. The comic shows he really is the time bomb people think he is.

I said it was a poor man's Miracleman, not that you aren't allowed to do the same story someone else did already. If you can write a better Miracleman then great, but that comic clearly isn't.

My mistake. First issue was '85 but SS does predate Miracleman. I'm not claiming at all that Moore ripped it off but that the concept you're saying belonged to Moore does not. This is the truth

Is Miracleman just a deconstruction of Superman?

Because that's most of what Irredeemable is. It's one big edgey deconstruction of Superman including scenes such as what REALLY would happen if Clark Kent revealed his secret identity to Lois Lane spoiler alert she'd think he was a weirdo and shun him. Hear someone about to commit suicide with a revolver and rush to save them? Sorry! Sound travels too slow. They were dead before you even started moving.

>Is Miracleman just a deconstruction of Superman?
It's not. That guy is retarded.

Franky, I got tired of Moore's "deconstructions" and "homages" and "pastiches" somewhere around 1963 and Supreme. The man is really tiresome with how snobby he gets about other people writing derivative cape when 99% of his work is "what if superheroes but REALISTIC" or "what if superheroes but ironic/self-aware and with hamfisted Weird Fiction conceits". And the moment he stops writing capeshit he goes off and makes loli porn. He's one serious piece of work.

Irredeemable is just a dumb and sort of schlocky comic about Superman if Superman was a violent psychopath and The Doctor was in the Justice League, not some grand statement about the genre

Cary was insane dude. They read his mind in comic and determined he was up to good. Even without that information, you can tell this guy ain't all there just by reading

It’s sorta more like a Superman/Shazam Family deconstruction.

Check what I posted here The idea doesn't belong to Moore.

Whoops I meant

Did they ever reveal what was in his mind, anyway?

They don't. As the reader, we're just supposed to assume he wants to take over the world or something. As the reader, I don't think there's any question Cary was a bad guy in the end.

The whole thing is just an example of shit writing. What does Cary have to do with the main plot of the story? He beats Plutonian, and then why should I care? The story is about Plutonians Psyche, the fact that the side characters get no resolution is the writer's fault. There is no reason to jump back to Earth once Pluto is in super jail.
Sure, Cary may have been a fuck, but non of that storyline mattered to the comics overarching plot, which was the fall of the Plutonian.

Isn’t Moore’s Supreme actually a pretty straight laced Silver Age Superman series with more modern elements?

I thought that’s why he created it, to be a anti-deconstruction.

>What does Cary have to do with the main plot of the story?
Power corrupts? Wolf in sheep's clothes? He's a mirror image to Plutonian

I didn't say it belonged to him. I said this is a poor man's Miracleman. The operative word here is "poor." Almost all stories are derivative, that's not the problem. The problem is it's a shit version of what it's derivative of. Like eating at Subway when you could be going to Jersey Mike's instead.

>guy who was a hero instantly becomes a cunt the moment he has power
Bonus points for having a DARK SECRET THIRD BROTHER. It was a very contrived scenario. The one guy who had enough power to beat Pluto was a shit. Meanwhile if the bitch Dr. Wannabe has just let him be killed by the candle bullet, the Cary shit never happened.

The story really falls apart after the demon/candle shit

>it's Miracleman because I say so

Quit being an autist. Irredeemable isn't based on Miracleman. Miracleman didn't create the evil Superman trope to begin with. Your posts have no validity in sense, so fuck off and go fap to Lost Girls like your pedo idol wants you to

Except it's not a poor man's Miracleman because the story isn't about a regular guy who had forgotten he was a superhero, who then has to fight his sidekick who went on a rampage because he's psychotic. Your analogy just fucking sucks.

Sentry miniseries has more claim to being a poor man's Miracleman than this.

Even if we accept this, does this mean I can't read Irredeemable, I can only read Miracleman? I don't get this attitude on art boards. "x does y better than z!" So z has no merit? I can't listen to The Zombies because half the time they sound like the Beatles, so just listen to the Beatles?

I never claimed Irredeemable was some masterpiece, but you are right, it's clear from reading that it probably was never meant to go 37 issues. I'm guessing it's Boom!'s best selling series ever, so they pressured him to keep it going, and so the companion title Incorruptible. That being said, I still enjoyed it quite a bit, and if we break down every comic the way you're breaking down this one, barely any of them are worth the time.

>Don't read Dorian Gray because Jekyll & Hyde did it better
>Don't watch The Matrix because Blade did wire fu better
>Don't watch Crouching Tiger because Once Upon A Time in China's better wuxia

Didn’t Miracleman end with him turning the world into gods or something weird like that

Right? It's such a stupid attitude. Everything offers a different experience. Even if it isn't a huge difference.

Not that user but just enjoy it for what it is. Pretty good with a nice take on why Superman would have a breakdown but maybe a bit too long. It's a decent read overall. I wish they'd reprint it

>I wish they'd reprint it
Yeah, this is an issue with Boom!. Their trades cover like 4 issues and are priced like they cover twice that many. I picked up the run of floppies for 70 dollars, which is a fraction of what I would have paid for the trades. It's really baffling to me, that a tiny publisher like Boom!, wouldn't want to keep their biggest hit evergreen.

Qubit saves him from the bullet, saves him from the Vespans (genociding them while he's at it, but at least that was sort of justified) and then saves him from the Eleos. Then he makes his powers exponentially stronger on the gamble that maybe if he does that he's told he'll maybe be strong enough to MAYBE undo the massive fuckup he provoked by not letting him get killed long before that point. Well, either that or the universe's fucked... and humanity already had a escape plan in the form of the Tree of Life so it's not really that useful... and his no-kill policy seems to only apply to not killing humans or sufficiently human-like aliens like Tony... and torturing humans by forcibly turning them into robots in order to get information out of them in order to save your mass-murdering butt budy is okay... but hey, at least Tony got a second chance at life! Sorta! Fuckin' A, Qubit.

Yes because Miracleman was the deconstruction of Captain Marvel. Comparing it to Superman or Irredeemable is stupid.

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The only time the criticism works is if it's very closely similar and doesn't really add anything to the table. I may not like Irredeemable too much but saying it's bad because it's "a poor man's Miracleman" is fucking stupid because it's not doing the same thing as Miracleman to begin with.

Qubit did it because he wanted to redeem Tony. He wanted to believe the good Tony was still there. He was kind of right but it was too late.

I really wanted Qubit to be wrong in the end. What an infuriating character.

He was such a pretentious cunt.

Yeah. And he was just right about everything. He's that smartass kid from class who no one likes and doesn't study but knows all the answers to every question so there's nothing you can do or say. He's "all according to keikaku": the character. I just wanted him to get his comeuppance so badly but it never came. He was just. always. right.

He didn't have a keikaku tho.

Qubit is History's worst villian

Maybe I'm not remembering it properly, but it just seemed like everything he did, as a reader, I would say "NO! WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU DOING!!" but everything worked out in the end

Qubit was the Reed Richards but on a standard superteam. His main flaw was never being wrong in his plans in a literal sense, but not understanding how fucked up Tony was by that point. Also not recognising that no amount of planning would just make him good again. In some cases he made stuff worse too iirc

%98 of superhero deconstruction stories are terrible and are done by shallow writers trying to be edgey by overusing gore, sex, and fowl language and excusing it by saying it's how real life would be.
Or, they read about Moore and Miller and said "me too!"

>%98 of superhero stories are terrible
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Nah, the other user was completely right. There's a ton of great, creative unironic capeshit from various decades. The deconstructions are a dead horse that people only read because it makes them feel like big boys for an hour or two.

>There's a ton of great, creative unironic capeshit from various decades.
I agree. 98% of it is still crap. To be fair you can say that about almost every medium. I just find disposable comics to be extra disposable. Which makes sense, they're produced on a monthly deadline basis. Whether it's good or not, it has to come out and bump that issue number up a notch.

>It needs to hit a deadline so it's bad
This isn't an argument. Pretty much every publisher has that requirement. Stick to indieshit if it's your preference. You're not contributing any valuable or knowledgeable insight otherwise. You clearly don't know enough about the genre to comment

>You're not contributing any valuable or knowledgeable insight otherwise
Says the guy who promoted my response by saying
>There's a ton of great, creative unironic capeshit from various decades
Pot, kettle.

prompted*

Another worthless post. Anyone who knows the genre could list off title after title of capeshit worth buying from the 30s to now. Your lack of knowledge means you never have any substantial points to bring to the table at all. Just autism towards it that makes you give a random percentage.
I notice you didn't respond to my point that many more publishers than the Big 2 publish monthly anyway which makes your other post clueless. Again, you're an idiot

Don't bother responding unless you can explain how the monthly point applies *only* to capeshit despite happening for dozens or genres

*of genres

>*only*
Who said I was only referring to superhero comics? If you want me to clarify, I mean it for all comics.
I have a lot of comics buddy, just because you can name some good comics doesn't mean they're not mostly shit. What kind of horses ass logic are you operating with? There have been so many fucking comics published, even with only 1% being worth anything, that's still a giant list of comics.

>Yes because Miracleman was the deconstruction of Captain Marvel. Comparing it to Superman or Irredeemable is stupid.
Are you just pretending to be retarded?
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superman#Captain_Marvel
>Superman's success immediately spawned a wave of imitations. The most successful of these in this early age was Captain Marvel, first published by Fawcett Comics in December 1939. Captain Marvel had many similarities to Superman: Herculean strength, invulnerability, the ability to fly, a cape, a secret identity, and a job as a journalist. DC Comics filed a lawsuit against Fawcett Comics for copyright infringement.
>The trial began in March 1948 after seven years of discovery. The judge ruled that Fawcett had indeed infringed on Superman. However, the judge also found that the copyright notices that appeared with the Superman newspaper strips did not meet the technical standards of the Copyright Act of 1909 and were therefore invalid. Furthermore, since the newspaper strips carried stories adapted from Action Comics, the judge ruled that DC Comics had effectively abandoned the copyright to the Action Comics stories. The judge ruled that DC Comics had effectively abandoned the copyright to Superman and therefore forfeited its right to sue Fawcett for copyright infringement.[132]
>DC Comics appealed this decision. The appeals court ruled that unintentional mistakes in the copyright notices of the newspaper strips did not invalidate the copyrights. Furthermore, Fawcett knew that DC Comics never intended to abandon the copyrights, and therefore Fawcett's infringement was not an innocent misunderstanding, and therefore Fawcett owed damages to DC Comics.[d] The appeals court remanded the case back to the lower court to determine how much Fawcett owed in damages.[132]

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Now this is what I call being retarded

You should read those comics before posting

>You can't compare one character to another that was literally ruled a copyright infringement of the first character specifically because of how similar it is
You're just being willfully ignorant at this point. There is no reasonable basis for claiming you can't compare Captain Marvel with Superman. Your idea of what can be compared is now so retardedly constricted that you basically only want to compare things to themselves, defeating the entire point of making any sort of comparison to begin with.

Okay similar powers, and design, nothing about the type of stories they do or about the lives and core of the characters.

Are you 13 years old?

Hey, what's going on here?

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You don't even have to read the comics to see how different these character are, reading wikipedia should tell you enough.

Modeus' constant mugging at the camera ruined it for me. Cracked me up every fucking time.

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Miracleman is much, much better. Irredemable is fun but is almost a comedy/satire with how much goes perfectly wrong. Miracleman is a proper deconstruction.

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Modeus is actually such a great villain. I wish more writers had the balls to give a weird homoerotic motivation to villains, just like all the Joker-Batman fan theories.

I actually agree, despite the silly mugging. I like the Superman/Luthor Batman/Joker homo-eroticism. Mainly because it helps to explain some the more absurd actions of the characters.

>Mainly because it helps to explain some the more absurd actions of the characters.
It really does. It's pigtail pulling taken to its logical conclusion.

Miracleman is much better because it's the deconstruction of a much better concept. Superman is boring.

>Superman is boring.
Why do you think this?

>Miracleman is so much better because it was written by an actually good writer.
FTFY
Waid is just a dumb fanboy who lucked into writing. He's just a better Geoff Johns at worst and poor man's Busiek at best. He has never written anything worthwhile.
inb4 Kingdom Come
Twilight of Superheroes would've been infinitely better as well.

>Miracleman is much better because it's the deconstruction of a much better concept. Superman is boring.
No. The concepts aren't really all that different for one thing and for another Alan Moore has written more than one high quality story both featuring literal Superman and covering a more direct Superman derivative like Supreme.

I liked Alan Moore's "Supreme" more as a Superman love letter.

"Incorruptible" wins points for Jailbait.

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It loses a lot of points for not mattering in the scheme of things.