What are your go-to places to find references? Do you have any ref images you love, but have no use for (yet)? Alt Q: When and what was your last "A-HA!" moment when drawing/writing?
*Please add your comic name/link to your first image post
>go-to places for references? I wish I had one of those. >references I have no use for yet Tons. I keep a folder. pic related is one. >eureka moments literally the fibula. the entire existence of the fibula and its relationship to that little nodule on the outer side of the ankle. drawing skellymans can be amazingly useful
sketch of my older protag and a friend who joins the group much later on. i need to get down what he looks like a lot younger because that's when i plan to start from
The symbols aren't the actual gods, are they? Because on one hand, that's pretty interesting and unique and better than a carved block of wood. On the other hand, that can't be very practical. Even worshipping a noise would be easier I should think.
Aiden Cruz
gas coldfusion
Asher Ortiz
the symbols are just markings that represent some of their features or references their powers. pic related, left is the worshipped as deity of light magic and right the deity of dark magic. they aren't literal gods, people just give them the title because they're powerful and gigantic
I've just finished the first act of my new comic SHREK Asshole in Wonderland. It's available now on my itch page for free sweeneezy.itch.io/shrek-asshole-act-1 It's 12 pages of ogre activity and fun
there's only one b in obligation, but I feel like it actually suits this psycho better to pronounce extra Bs hehehe. I love it. Not chaff or a signal scrambler or anything, just... tec bait.
Brandon Robinson
>there's only one b in obligation, Thanks for the headsup and the comments!
Nolan Morales
This is charming and expressive. By that, I mean that I can tell a lot about these characters from this one sketch, and that it makes me want to see more of them. Looking forward to seeing more references in the future.
Luis Smith
Whoosh
Dominic Wood
whew, finally inked this page from last month, I'm glad I gave myself such a head start (started pages 1 and 8 at the same time) because this was a pain!
that said, >What are your go-to places to find references? wikimedia commons!
Kind of a random question, sorry in advance if it's a stupid question, but I figured this would be a good place to ask:
I'm pretty bad at drawing, but I'd like to get better. I figure that opening up some kind of art blog and committing to posting to it regularly would be a good way to give myself an excuse to practice.
I've heard tumblr has kind of gone to shit recently, and I'm not really digging Deviantart. What's the best platform to do this kind of thing on in 2019?
Mason Brown
Tumblr's still pretty fine, but just post it here at these threads at Yea Forums.
Justin Gomez
plenty of terrible artists still post here
Benjamin Jenkins
I see! I might give tumblr another look then.
I have posted my stuff here before, on /tg/ rather than Yea Forums, but I'm looking for something that can serve as more of an archive so I can look back and see my progress.
I do love the background faces, they're always so good.
Ayden Ortiz
I'm not sure if it's the best platform but try Newgrounds.
Adam Barnes
Left is from about a year ago, right is the same character but a little more recent. I got my start drawing D&D art for my friends because we don't have an artfag, and have been slowly sort of improving. Figured if I put a little more effort into practicing then maybe I could get good one day.
your colours are nice. don't hide away from fingers. practice things other than figures like nature scenes and buildings. maybe get a sketchbook and commit to spending two hours on a finished drawing into it per week.
Henry Davis
Thanks. Fingers are a pain, but I have gotten better at them. I'll keep that in mind though, thanks for the advice.
I have been dabbling a bit in painting landscapes too lately, I don't have anything to post on hand though.
Webcomic is doing fine. Thanks for asking. I am actually pleased at how well the newest page turned out. Thanks Yea Forums for your art advice. It really helped...I hope.
Why would I need to draw things other than figures? Getting a sketchbook seems pointless
Jace Fisher
Guys, could you give me some advice ? Before making a webcomic I want to post some of my art online, but I really don't know where to post it anymore. It seems that deviantart is pretty much dead now and tumblr feels like a ghost town.
Is it still a good idea to post art on those sites? Where do you guys post art ? Is instagram any good ?
Cameron Martinez
Scroll up, someone literally asked the same question early today.
Twitter is pretty hot right now though imo.
Bentley Brown
thank you friend, that's really great to hear. i will definitely post my progress here in the coming months
Someone is going to have to break it too you eventually, user. You’re too good for this thread, time to move on.
Ethan Roberts
>Why would I need to draw things other than figures? because they want to get better at drawing. if you dont want to get better at drawing then dont. >Getting a sketchbook seems pointless if you dont want to get better at drawing, then yes, it is pointless.
Levi Reed
I simply look at Yea Forums or 2chan for pictures, sometimes Twitter. And lots. I ran into a typo even after rereading the dialog twice. There's always some error hiding. tapas.io/episode/1378670
A clarification about the "don't visit /ic/" meme- you can go to /ic/, just limit exposure to threads that aren't the generals or the download thread, ones that don't have an overarching goal. The d/ic/ks are bitter, and it's contagious. Draw once a day or lose your streak, with friends Owing to some local drama there are currently two /beg/inner threads. Be sure to support the continued prosperity of the Aryan people by contributing to:
Apparently Twitter and Instagram are popular for artists, both will fuck up your image fidelity and neither have proper archives. I say store on Deviantart and advertise on the two.
Jace Cruz
the world needs more brad neely references
Adam Ortiz
or just get a blog. you don't need to be part of any kind of website where people look at multiple people without leaving the site, they only need to look at you
Daniel Campbell
>Draw once a day or lose your streak, with friends I think I got better once I started doing this
Christopher Powell
True that dawg, indeed
Alexander Roberts
maybe i should invest in a screen tablet someday. i feel like it takes years to get a comic page done so i might as well invest in something i can actually see. wacom recently announced a new tablet called the cintiq 16hd which is a 600 dollar tablet which...i could kinda afford....if i do a shit ton of porn commissions or some shit. hell, maybe enough to afford the higher end 16 inch models.
i feel like i'm not happy with my intuos. i find it kinda frustrating for line work and the lack of documentation on digital painting in clip studio makes it hard to use it for painting things. so i just gave up and scream to my parents to buy it during the summer. (or i get it myself saying it's for college)
so should i? i know alternatives exist but i'm too paranoid that i might get parallax or it might not be compatible with my clip studio paint.
Xavier Morales
Just get a used surface pro my dude worked for me.
Joshua Rogers
again paranoid but it's a america product so i can slightly trust it.
Lincoln Hall
>What are your go-to places to find references? Do you have any ref images you love, but have no use for (yet)?
believe it or not, stock images of all things. now they don't always have the image i want in mind it's massively helpful when you wanna get a decent pose reference. alternatively, i use clip studio's in house 3d models.
>Alt Q: When and what was your last "A-HA!" moment when drawing/writing?
idk what the fuck that is but i think i had one when i was writing that one scene or something...idk
>What are your go-to places to find references? For girls, i take pictures of myself. For boys i use google or my friends. >When and what was your last "A-HA!" moment when drawing/writing? When i figured out how to colors.
Parker Campbell
lack of digital painting tutorials for clip studio, or atleast freely available. doesn't help some of these tend to use custom brushes ( i only have frenden, daub, and flyland designs and a free ones i found on the web)
Blake Sanders
I'd asked /r/ a long time ago but they didn't really know about webcomics.
I have been looking for this webcomic I read some time ago which was set in a future era earth (like a sort of spacey robotics age) and followed a bunch of teenagers. Where I left off of, there was a plot twist where one of the main characters found an adopted parent, I think. Something like that. It was usually in black and white, I think. Hard to remember.
Any ideas?
Adrian Gutierrez
ah yeah. well they put out some tutorials to go with their newest brushy tools at least.
Juan Roberts
sounds a little like Never Mind the Gap but that wasn't the twist
Carson Butler
I will check it out, thanks.
Xavier Fisher
Try one out first. I used one temporarily, but I really disliked the small screen (at least in comparison to my normal 27 inch display), especially with your hand blocking a large amount of space.
>the lack of documentation on digital painting in clip studio makes it hard to use it for painting things huh? Not sure what difference a screen is supposed to make.
Gabriel Ramirez
Would also like some insight on this. I use a very small Huion tablet that I bought on DealExtreme 5+ years back which constantly malfunctions and is a pain to work with. Are tablets with screens good and do they help with getting shit done quicker? I imagine I can draw more lines correctly the first time if I can actually see.
Jacob Morales
What's a good brush set I can use in Sai so it doesn't look like shit?
Jason Stewart
Very arousing documentation
Christopher Sanders
I have a gist of a narrative but cannot think of how to actually TELL the story. Is it fine for a webcomic to start more slice of life or sporadic and then transfer into s major narrative thread over time?
Connor Campbell
You can do whatever you want. The start is what makes people want to read through though
Chase Parker
I can try using the slow period to develop setting, then.
Luke Cooper
Posting my most recent pages (And this week's update) as well as the draft for my next page.
Things people want in a story Intrigue Theme Characters they want to see naked
Connor Martinez
And the draft of the next page. I got mixed reviews on the two versions of this page, and so, after thinking about it for a day, I decided to make a few new panels and frankenstein together a reasonable compromise of pacing and character.
>go to places for refs when designing certain characters my go to place is classmates dot com and looking up old yearbooks. i use yearbooks for a lot of things, video ones are useful too.
>aha moment all of my eureka moments happened a long time ago, the last one related to story.
>That feeling when you're already jerking off so your inhibitions are down and you totally enjoy something kinda fucked you wouldn't normally Good lesson to learn before that starts affecting your actions.
like a dyslexic tourist in heaven said: nice angles.
Connor Barnes
am i wrongheaded in wanting to make a comedy webcomic at all? it's kind of dawned on me that weaving together characters and relatable situations to laugh at life is inefficient as hell compared to just making memes. i'm not sure if memes have rendered that kind of humour somewhat redundant when it comes to a general audience. why would someone read my (hypothetical) comic to laugh at nonsense home automation when i could just make a twitter page that shares reality?
i'm not trying to blog, that's an actual set of questions i thought might be interesting for people to bounce off. maybe i'm underrating the importance of character comedy, which is harder to do in shitpost form. maybe my old suspicion that fiction can drive home reality better than just sharing reality is still correct.
Liam Morgan
you can't just make memes, you have to make a story and then people crop panels and THAT becomes a meme.
Grayson Gonzalez
So this is the first page of Tad Danger Substitute Ranger. I figured the best way to start it was with a full page spread of a kaiju attacking the city. I probably wont post any more pages until I at least have half of the first chapter done. There is a bit of a long intro before Tad shows up, so I want to at least get that far.
I was under the impression that Clip Studio would crop out a lot of the buildings, so i do need to clean that up.
>I was under the impression that Clip Studio would crop out a lot of the buildings why would it do that? also, you'll want to resize quiet a bit for web
Colton Wood
Im still learning it. I used the comic setting and the tutorials that i clearly didnt comprehend made me think that the purple borders would crop off when you save. That they were used for drawing off the page so to speak. Clearly not.
Carter Brown
nah the publisher does that
Isaiah Nelson
Thought I'd post this here- a Space Pack themed version of the album "Hello Rockview" by Less Than Jake!
When you go to the export settings, you can select to only export to the crop mark. Not selecting that will export the whole image. You can also use the select tool and select the area you want to export and "selection area" will be added to the dropdown.
oh that's clever, that way you can save a file for printing but save a nice cropped version for web
Jonathan Myers
oh sweet thanks my man
Jayden Davis
No prob. Perks of posting your stuff online and talking about issues is you might run into people who can help.
Yup, good rule of thumb for most of anything you do with comics is to be as non-destructive as possible in case of future publishing needs. CSP just happens to make it easier. Sometimes, anyways.
Looks neat. Tell me about the birds, why are they magical? How did they evolve to have de-attached necks, what purpose did that serve besides looking cool?
Blake Baker
Anyone know what tools Bruce Timm used to draw this picture? It looks traditional, but I don't think it's gouache.
They're not exactly animals as we know them. These things are part of a plot point/world mechanic I'm gonna heavily focus on where magic itself can achieve sentience and take on a life of its own. The rad monsters just a bit more than mindless and they "evolve" by mimicking existing wildlife and adopting their behavior so they can be more effective at hunting and killing humans. The type of magic that they are made of is Radiation Magic, a neon green plasma/fire that emits deadly radiation and is fatal after prolonged exposure
The rad monsters first appeared when the planet was bombed by Radiation Magic several decades ago by the first main antagonist, and now hordes of them roam the surface attacking any life they can find. Those bird ones came about just to fulfill the purpose of covering the skies along with the jellyfish. I do plan to have one monster type for every major stereotype of animal (fish, mammal, bird, insect, worm, mollusk, reptile, etc.). And yes, I did detach the head because it looks cool
I mean there's tons of webcomics where there aren't over arching plot points or any kind of plot at all, each post is a joke thats usually unrelated to the next. Its just that everyone here is pretty much doing comics with story lines so some might not see your perspective
Jayden Jenkins
What's happening in the third panel?
Aaron Walker
Rolling Stone has amazinging and phenomenal powers of teleportation
Jackson Scott
Here’s a panel from the story I’m working on. Would’ve waited and posted the whole page, but pretty happy with how this turned out.
I’m loving this art style. Love the faces and colors.
>What are your go-to places to find references? Do you have any ref images you love, but have no use for (yet)? Artbooks and other photo books are usually my go-to, but I also sometimes look through Pinterest for references and my own photos.
Connor Morris
>I don't think it's gouache. why not? acrylic doesnt get that granulation. water colour pencil or pastel possibly given the background.
Nathan Young
>What are your go-to places to find references? Do you have any ref images you love, but have no use for (yet)? i'd like to go walking in my house, watching some series and movies and videogames to get references, i also use IRL experiences. Read Ghadar Adventures here!: >smackjeeves.com/comicprofile.php?id=179527 I'm already on Spring Break! let's celebrate this with a new Ghadar render!
I wanna know that too, and what their comic is because it clearly has good art
Leo Green
I don't think anyone saw that coming! I have a diplodocus plush that I put a little paper samurai helmet on
Michael Lopez
>I don't think it's gouache. It just didn't look like it to me, and I still have no clue what it is.
Michael Fisher
You have amazing colors.
Juan Perry
maybe cf himself draws them
Jackson Ramirez
why would anyone read a comic about stones with faces lol are you high 24/7?
Eli Wood
That sounds adorable!! Do you have a picture of it?
Asher Allen
ahh sorry I don't. I'm sure your imagination is superior to it anyway. it has a messed up neck so its head is always cocked so the helmet is on sideways
Christian Garcia
Don't you mean blazed ?
Jaxon Cooper
I told you before. Not his artstyle. If I would guess I would say gloryhol user did this one.
Aiden Perez
definitely not his artstyle
Cooper Adams
I don't know then. It's probably made by someone from discord who doesn't post their art here.
Jackson Long
the nyamo drawing looked really familiar though
Brayden Smith
LET HIM IN ITS HIS TURNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN
anons...what's your thoughts on black people in webcomics? I know i worry too much for no reason but I i have a few black characters i have plans for and i don't wanna be label as some weird wanting brownie points.
It's only an issue when the character is token, or a crappy stereotype. If they have the same amount of depth as your other characters then you're in the clear, for the most part.
Lincoln Kelly
minorities are just like any other characters. treat them with respect and write them intelligently. dont do it for blatant tokenism or brownie points. if the character has nothing about them beyond "black" then they are not a good character. if its a good character then no one gives a shit about their color.
Jaxon Lopez
>what's your thoughts on black people in webcomics? >I know i worry too much for no reason answered your own question there do not acknowledge race as being a thing people have opinions about. ever. that has never gone well. feel free to make an issue of culture, subculture, nationality, physical or genetic defect, or anything else that actually matters. but not 'having somewhat different DNA within a species' or you diminish us all.
Jace Garcia
this pic is old and shitty but this ellen...she's a reformed former gang leader who creates a team comprised of teenage monsters...disguised as some high school club. I have plans for an arc that has her face her inner demons for short while when she meets her old gang mates.
so you were concerned there would be some kind of feelings about this light brown elf with dark red hair that, and I mean no offense here, looks like a character from any popular comic from the last decade
Samuel Cook
font for the growl?
Aaron Lee
I hope I never actually get fat like that..
Asher Moore
whatfontis says "monster hunter 3d font"
Christian Young
I did it and I'm black myself, just make a good character and people will like them. Main character tho might be a tough one.
Anthony Ortiz
>whatfontis my god, we have font recognition software now? what an age we live in.
John Phillips
If you look up erotic gouache art you see several that look similar.
Cooper Adams
D-damn, Is it just me or does annabeth kinda look like girl when he wears that bikini...
I mean the hips and tits drawn in really help I like the posture this artist has used, makes anna look like a goddamn dinosaur. And didn't s/he go around in dragon pajamas as a makeshift hero costume once?
Nicholas Rivera
is gouache hard to learn?
Easton Miller
Yeah, while she had red eyes, but then getting posessed by that green spirit thingy kinda made her anger more bottled in and less extroverted and childish
oh that's right, Anna goes through eye colors like Lupin does jackets.
Lincoln Morris
it has some peculiarities like any other painting medium, but for illustration work is probably relatively simple. avoid the chalky low-pigment cheap stuff, go for mid tier and up. youtube should be good for recommending budget brands.
Easton Ortiz
This terrible drawing its brought to you by my last artistic crisis. Next update soon.
fuck, what happened? also very close to a get there. your hand is not allowed to get injured!
Xavier Perry
>work on a bunch of pages in advance for more consistent updates in the future >just want to post everything i have now instead of waiting >realize i'd have nothing later
Brandon Myers
I've never understood, and I 'll ask non confrontational, what's the intended audience age for this? The plots are too simple for teens and above yet you include sexual and offensive themes for young audiences
Bentley Gray
16+ is the age group i was thinking.
Luis Ortiz
Last time I checked, young people like raunchy things. Then again, they also like good plots. This looks more like it's for stoners.
Half-demon. But yea I guess so. Again,.it's all that /pol/ crap talking about black people being inferior to.whites therefore whit r girls make.good waifus or s one shit and the inclusion of black people means your some kind of "sjw"
but again, I can't please everyone and I'm gonna accept the fact folks are still gonna get pissed about one of the main character's being black.despite barely mentioning her race besides her speech patterns.
Jason Garcia
>I can't please everyone It's all this ^
Also, think about your intended audience. If some group you aren't aiming for has issues with parts of your story, like /pol/ for instance, ask yourself if you really care about what that demographic thinks. Sure, you can listen to what they say and take objective criticism, but their commentary and opinions of story elements don't matter nearly as much as the group you were aiming for. If the audience you're aiming for is you, and people like you with similar interests, then you need to take the time and think about if this is the story that you both want to tell (and have connected to your name) as well as read. If so, rock it. If not, ask yourself why.
On a personal level, it sounds like you need to practice "I don't care what you think" more.
Jonathan Walker
Seconding this advice. Have a target audience in mind. If the work is good enough, other demographics will check it out, but you want to have your core demographic.
Mason Peterson
unless youre ever going to a publisher, do what (you) want to do in your comic. sjw, pol. cliques of the hiveminds. be you.
Hudson Sullivan
A month ago someone was asking for help with a story where a kid moves in with his uncle, fucks around with a magical book, summons some kind of undead and now they combat the supernatural. The creator wanted help with plot points. Is he still in the thread? desuarchive.org/co/thread/106615592/#106668106
>The town's kame/'genius loci', personification and protector, likes ragging on them because they're the only ones who can see it/no one knows what a genius loci is and he hates explaining the concept to everyone The thing I was thinking of is called an eidolon- which is a much rarer word than kami, and it actually sounds like something unlike genius-fucking- loci. The word was only used in this context (the soul of a place or a concept) in one specific poem, but the poem's 200 years old so that sort of gives it legitimacy, right?
Oh, also: I'm certain I heard about the concept from the Order of the Stick forum, so I tried to verify it there. Because it's a rare and cool sounding word it gets used for a lot of magical creatures in different media- in DnD an eidolon is some kind of Stand the summoner class can pull out, extremely customizable. Which leads into...
giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?262159-PF-Cool-eidolon-ideas >I played a Summoner in a Pirate campaign over the summer. The eidolon was meant to be sort of a pseudo-Balor with a Greatsword, but since we didn't want him lighting the deck on fire with Flaming Natural Attacks I just made him more of a Gargoyle. With a giant sword. >And while it's very, very silly, the Gundolon build (Ten arms, nine pistols) sounds hilarious to play. >(Ten arms, nine pistols) >(Ten arms, nine pistols) >(Ten arms, nine pistols) Dewd, you have the only comic I know where this would make sense. Can you write in the Dakkadolon?
>draw two pages per week >should just upload one each week and slowly build up my backlog >feel like that one specific page doesn't add much on it's own and just upload the two pages instead so the pacing isn't butchered >backlog still at 0 pages
genius, always wanted to read a comic about summer elves
Hunter Davis
fuck dude, i just started and already feel that way but its just hard to really update things when you aren't exactly doing this as a job how did guys like paranatural even get a following when its been 8 years and they're just at chapter 6
but speaking of which its time to post some pages. i was going to post these pages next week so i have a day that i post but decided to now. for this particular character, my intentions were to introduce them silently.
>how did guys like paranatural even get a following when its been 8 years and they're just at chapter 6 He had a pace towards the beginning that was really good, frequent and consistent. Only the last few years did it get bad. He also seemed personable, at least from what I remember when he was on the smackjeeves forums, so he wound up with a good network of fellow artists and fans. Plus the story and art was unique and interesting and was meme-able. A combo of interest for fan building.
Nolan Hall
I'm back from japan with some art. Japanese food is good. I also hope i'm getting better at making comics.
Just responding to you in general. Character with 10 arms and nine guns is hilarious.
Evan Taylor
Ah yeah, it sounds pretty funny, but it also sounds like it would be a huge pain in the ass to draw over and over again.
Samuel Rogers
DUDE WEED SOCIETY LMAO
Nathaniel Peterson
He still posts frequently new art in the internet, y'know. Even sometimes here if it's an fanart for someone else's comic. I don't know on what do you base this statement.
Gavin Nguyen
Hey guys, I've been posting weekly and wanted to share the most recent stuff I did. (1/4)
I spent like 15 weeks on tapas and today I deleted it. No visibility, no interactions, no nothing. It was just a ghost town for me, so I rather not bother with it. Pixiv on the other hand I barely use and have waaaay better view count there. Any toughts?
( I wrote footnotes with the backstory for these WW strips: In my mind Ares and the Amazons were at war at some point, Ares created a monster who took Amazon form to mock them, Wonder Woman. She then killed every Amazon except the last one, who was Medusa. They fought in that cave and as WW made the swing to cut her head off she saw her eyes and turned to stone.)
>...something else entirely. >And made of stone. Not the best linguistic flow, but alright. >A woman made of stone. Yeah, I think we already understood that part. >Reacting to the blood, the stone starts cracking... Have you ever seen Battle Tendency? Ancient curses, superheroes, and Nazis? You might think that three cliches together will make something original, but 0 x 3 = 0. And then everyone died, the end. How Shakespearean.
Sorry for Rifftrax'ing your comic. I just saw the opportunity for some banter. It looks good for what it sets out to do. I don't really have any serious thoughts other than "it's clear that you know how to write short story comics, because the writing and art is as tight as it needs to be."
Kayden Hill
Wow, getting a lot better Frankly, because generally I'd skip 3/4ths of the drawings here
Jeremiah Hall
wait what's this about speech patterns? Nobody would see this character as black.
Camden Price
>getting better that doesn't even come close to describing this kind of improvement.
Leo Walker
>mfw trying to figure out how to script my comic I am really trying to avoid the 'talking heads sunday newspaper thing' with all kinds of dynamic angles and views, but holy shit, i have no idea how big to make things, or how far away things should be from the camera. Dunning Kruger just hit me hard.
i find having an outline and storyboarding works for me only becomes a problem when i try to write characters since i haven't really found their individual "voices" yet, but the more i write the more i feel comfortable with how a certain one acts
Brayden Ward
It's almost like people regularly make shit up when they post. a 'shit post' if you will.
Gabriel Allen
I don't think the way each page repeats what happened before does you any favors. I guess it's meant to suggest people reading these a week apart as they come out in the sunday newspaper? the retro feel here is pretty strong
Nathaniel Jones
See i have always fancied myself a writer more than an artist. The problem is i literally cannot tell this story in any form other than a comic. (or an animated series, but who am i kidding.) So i have all the characterization, voices, mannerisms, etc figured out. I have full outlines for everyone, and all the dialogue done too. I love writing dialogue, it comes natural to me. My problem is conveying all of this in a visual medium since i am total novice when it comes to art. I am praying my writing can carry my comic alone, since in my opinion my art looks like an abortion. Trying to get everyone and everything in the positions i want is a nightmare.
Adrian Reed
>Trying to get everyone and everything in the positions i want is a nightmare. yeah I dont understand how to do that either why don't you just copy other comics, to start with? After all nobody's going to call you a plagiarist for simply copying ARRANGEMENTS. directors do that in films all the time and it's called an homage. then if that works for you, i'll do it myself, having established it as safe
Cooper Wilson
That is a good call. Lord knows i have a shelf full of comics i can use for reference. Its just so aggravating when you have this clear image in your head, and you know exactly what you want, but your retarded wrists cant make it happen.
Jackson Ward
you seem to have the opposite problem a lot of writers have many of them want to make an epic novel, but a lot of novice writers don't really read as much as they watch movies you're making a comic but are more experienced with the writing medium
Lucas Sanchez
Hey, either of you- if you've written down scripts already, upload a stripped down version of chapter 1 to pastebin or something. Something with all the elevator pitch and characterization removed. I want to see if I can storyboard it with wire figures in MSpaint
Sebastian Edwards
>you're making a comic but are more experienced with the writing medium While you'd probably be better off with actual comics, Genocide Man has good... Filmography? and there are probably action webtoons that are very cinematic.
thats was pretty funny actually, my strips are intended to be silly and ridiculous and not to be taken too seriously.
Also consider they are supposed to be read week to week thats why I recapitulate so much, to give it a sunday strip kinda vibe. Thank you for your banter and the nice comments.
Luke Jackson
am I being an ignorant foo if I dislike most of these shots? I actually dislike most professional published comics, and have since I was a kid, for making me work so hard to figure out what's going on in a scene, compared to what tv and film drawn animation usually does.
Jayden Watson
I dont think you like comics then. Thats kinda the whole point of comics. The layouts.
Camden Watson
Wally Wood is one of the greats, and those are frankly just generic-ass basic template panels that everyone can use/expand upon to make them work.
Whoever you're looking at is probably just incompetent and not doing layouts, scenes, and paneling properly, if you're confused.
Jaxon Bell
Modern comics are for the most part redundant garbage with tropes of tropes and cheeky one liner galore, so probably he's checking out Marvel shit or something.
Jack Clark
i can agree with this. writing is something that always came naturally to me. i really like writing comedies and funny dialogue, however i will get story ideas that rely on visual comedy or vivid choreography. i have tried translating my ideas into plain text, but the punchline or emotional effect is lost. so i said fuck it and decided to learn a visual medium, which is something i am pretty much not versed in whatsoever. Its like starting from square one.
Lucas Ramirez
commission an artist, have him help with editing and layouts.
This was sent to me as prose, with zero layout input from the writer, he is an excellent writer but not a visual artist at all. I took his prose and edited as best I could for comic book format and editing non-essential text and stuff like that.
I meant mostly like the 90s. I mean I love the art in those, and in the 80s, but it seems like you have to go to the silver age or older before I could reliably always know what I'm looking at. Otherwise it's just a jumbled mess of details, artistic angles, zoom-ins on indistinct parts of someone's face or body.. I kind of want to just see an entire body, a half-body, or a head. None of this "head partially cut off by panel border" stuff. I like dynamic angles, sure, but I also think a full body is going to be too small in any of these tiny panels (unless these are just thumbnails)
Jason Harris
Well you pretty much described what a comic IS, so I dont know what to tell you. Read "Longshot Comics" I guess?
Im posting a page of my own copy of it because google has no results.
>What are your go-to places to find references? Do you have any ref images you love, but have no use for (yet)? I dont have a specific place, I google what I want and make do. I have a lot of pics I wanna use in the future. But probably not for my comic, just for random art.
>Alt Q: When and what was your last "A-HA!" moment when drawing/writing? When I realized i could use Alt to delete part of a selection.
Xavier Cruz
>use Alt to delete part of a selection. you what now? like change the tool to remove-from-selection mode? I have that set by default, and instead hold shift if i want to select-more
Austin Rivera
well i have photoshop, gotta hold shift to select more and alt to delete selections. Not holding any key just selects one thing at a time.
Jacob Williams
I believe you can alter that by, during selection, manually clicking on the parts of the selection menu that change what's to be done while you're in this current state
>Ah, these red eyes, you mean. Why? Do you prefer the green ones, user? Hm, hm? >You like the other version, huh? The “possessed" version, huh? When did you become such a hotshot preppy type? >Anyway, Dewd-sensei prefers the red ones, you know! No matter what he says now, we can’t do anything about it...
Alexander Harris
There is Crisis on Infinite Earths, there's Ultimate Marvel and now there's the greatest reboot of all...
Brandon Price
How do I draw better
Isaac Clark
>One of them, an expert in graphic art, tested him with this question >“Teacher, which is the greatest instruction in drawing?" >user replied " 'Draw sweeping, swooping lines with all your arm, and with all your soul, and with all your pen.' This is the first and greatest instruction, >And the second is like it: ‘Construct the forms of your subjects with geometric shapes.' All the skill and the graphics hang on these two instructions.” >Then user said to the thread and to the Discord “The teachers of art and /ic/ sit in Loomis' seat. So you must be careful to do everything they tell you. But do not do what they do, for they do not practice what they preach. >They tie up heavy, cumbersome exercises and put them on other people’s canvases, but they themselves are not willing to lift a pen to draw them."
Ayden Wood
Stay in your hugbox community, tumblrinas. This is MY right-wing stomping grounds. You need to lurk 5 more years before you can even post here.
To become good requires not just practice but mindful practice. It’s not enough to draw but also to understand what you need to practice to get better. You need to also balance being self critical and confident. You must hate everything you make and see every flaw at the same time think that you’re capable and clever enough to do anything.
Zachary Cruz
Is it weird if I hate everything I draw, but people constantly tell me it's good? I'm not that confident in my drawing abilities and that makes me procrastinate until the last minute, but once I get started I usually wind up finishing a piece or study.
Jose James
user, I just wanna say you are the most fucking based person in this ENTIRE thread!
Parker James
Finished this page!
I heavily rewrote this page a lot because I decided that I wanted to show that each annabeth feels differently towards Jack, and expresses it differently.
most people say that out of courtesy, either that or you don't really think you suck and you're confident enough taking compliments than bettering yourself
Anthony Myers
That's like my favorite thing to paraphrase on the 4chins. Appropriate situations come up so often. It's amazing how often fans have a chance to quibble over color Of course the last time was a thread about how old Simpsons merchandise seemed to have every possible t-shirt color for Bart so that was extra appropro
Landon Howard
Not exactly the neat, tidy space-efficiency of a bento, but I'd eat that.
Noah Fisher
how do we spice up hyw
Caleb Cox
No, I suck.
Josiah Jackson
food prepared by a human-eating monster who is also a princess (so she never cooked once in her life) might leave a lot to be desired, user.
You're already all the spice we can handle, Juju. Let's not push things too hard or the little kids will burn their tongues.
Joshua Howard
Im still fully expecting them to bang at some point.
Robert Nguyen
You seem like you're at a point where you need to learn how to/find a niche to enjoy what you make. Being able to draw past a stick figure already puts you above the average skill level, so people are bound to give you compliments but that just means you have potential. Constantly being self-critical and thinking you're never good enough will keep you down.
Dylan Torres
I'm sorry, Jul, i have no time for that, i'm preparing my body for the wedding gangbang.
Jeremiah Martinez
Hi, I'm the user that makes long, rambling monologues and talks about /tg/ a lot. I say more creative philosophy and trying to get more people to open up about problems they're having- art plateaus, how does the story continue from here, advertising, etc. OR, trying to figure out what /hyw/'s purpose is. It can't just be advertising, there are only 80 people here. I would have figured it would sort of be like a guild, but it barely matches the functions of a guild
Grayson White
Discord is better. It's where all the discussion and art is posted.
Landon Gomez
>What are your go-to places to find references? Me and my camera. For literally every character.
When wrote the script, she has this southern accent mixed with some British slang...cuz she was a teaaboo
Andrew Morgan
if discord is so great why does hyw exist? guild? like we have some logo for hyw that we put on our sites?
Leo Morales
>OR, trying to figure out what /hyw/'s purpose is. I figured it to be something of a shitposting support group
Asher Taylor
>if discord is so great why does hyw exist? becos /hyw/ is greater!
Jonathan Robinson
Where's the discord?
Jonathan Gomez
Does pesterlog format work with literally anything that isn't a one panel webcomic?
Henry White
From what I remember, pesterlog takes up a lot of space. If you wanted to have that format you would either need to be all text or minimal panels. Doing dialogue in a chat-format wouldn't work too well in a typical comic format.
What were you planning?
Joshua Lopez
we're a support group for people who chose a hobby because it seemed to be really easy and found out it's actually really hard to do well
Joshua Bennett
as usual the title suits this comic to a T which stands for Terrific
>guild? It sounds like they're putting it in terms of dnd and gaming mmo guilds: A group of people who join together with similar interests and take on missions and tasks as a group while participating in community based chat discussions and challenges. A sort of "hey, I like anime, too. Let's go fight the balrog" group.
Elijah Carter
No, I meant in like terms of medieval guilds- pooling resources, techniques to make individual artists better. All that really helps there is the sticky.
Nathaniel Cruz
imagine making a comic about stones with faces i'm still laughing about it lol
Benjamin Lewis
you making fun of our lord and savior stones? >:(
Eli Anderson
How do you guys settle on fantasy architecture? I’m trying to get bearings on the entirety of my setting so I can have a consistent reference book to the world as I tel the story and enter new places, but I cannot settle on which architectural style the culture would be analogous to. Or if it would be at all. I initially thought something like a sort of classical-era Tron with rudimentary networks of mana akin to early electrical distribution, keeping certain devices like magical timekeepers for trains or bewitched pathways that only the city’s magicworkers can access etc. My issue was that while that works for for government buildings and noble folk, small dwellings would look odd in that style, leading to an architectural shift as the ancient center of the city sprawls outward.
Connor Fisher
I’m a better writer than artist and was wondering if there’s any formatting method that could allow something like a persterlog without otherwise looking like a complete home stuck ripoff
Jeremiah Peterson
errybody needs animal friends oh god, we ARE like an MMO guild. That's not really a good thing. That's what we ought to strive for, but it's hard to say we're accomplishing that.
Bentley Stewart
i'm terrible at buildings, but there are a few ways you can go to make things interesting: >Take the shapes of one type of architecture but with the materials of another. In your case, making the tech stuff shaped the same as more organic building styles >just look up really obscure buildings (especially things that were allowed to go really artistic like churches and temples) from faraway and distinctive lands. Icelandic churches are crazy cool looking. >push the boundaries of possibility beyond what any real building could be made of with real materials >imagine constructing it yourself if you could just conjure shapes of material and place them together. what might you try?
Lincoln Taylor
Thanks. I’ve been thinking about it and writing down my questions that I believe should be answered to keep things consistent. So far I’m wondering if magical entropy exists in the setting: that is, so enchantments last indefinitely? If so, bewitched building materials are possible. If not, governments would likely disallow the use of enchanted materials except for particular uses (for example, a museum door that leads to a secure facility if you have the proper clearance and otherwise opens to the food court/gift shop if you do not to prevent people from sneaking into places they shouldn’t be.
Looking at some of me odder buildings also provided a lot of material for dwellings out in the countryside and in smaller villages, such as building connecting walls between stones and roofing it up as a very stable and quick-to-construct home, or fashioning bones of large creatures into frames for buildings. I’m contemplating whether or not the capitol building is constructed in part with the skeletal remains of a primordial titan, but then I’d be too tempted to go for the obvious and have it get resurrected at somepoint.
Jose Nelson
smart. I could see some kind of commentary on modern bullshit planned-obsolescence technology with wizards that enchant-and-run
I also love the idea that someone has done eskimo-style whalebone buildings out of some kind of ancient monster, and a necromancer tries to bring it back to life, but the bones are all mixed up and cemented together, so the building just shakes and then fails to resurrect. and people start doing this all the time to every dead monster, as a reliable method to inter their corpses, as opposed to just burying the body intact underground where it's ready to animate and climb out.
Leo Jackson
just did cover for digital comic; Overfiend Comics RISING my friends
That does sound interesting; beyond s certain point or architectural utility, necromancy doesn’t function. It’s more practical than trying to shatter skeletons to smithereens. There’s also the matter of how strong magic is and the estimated skill cap. For example, plant and vine based buildings might be grown to a certain framework and then killed to wither into the proper structure so that someone can’t cast blight and destroy a house. Though I lean more towards certain things having their own innate magical energy. A village in the boughs of great redwood trees would likely require a small army of wizards to even disrupt, as a normal person wouldn’t have the magical ability to successfully kill ancient and titanic plant life.
Some of the issues involved with magic use are because there isn’t a hard ceiling to magical ability. I would like to settle on that in the development stage. I don’t think characters should be able to manipulate abstracts in any meaningful way. For example, no time travel. Not even in the alternate dimension sense. I lack the capacity to author time travel. At best, any spell that tries just doesn’t work at all.
Joseph Ortiz
I've thought about this a lot with animated statues and such. Like there has to be intelligence behind the magic so it knows that a roughly humanoid sculpted figure should bend at what looks like knees, etc.. and I considered that if you had it built out of separate pieces with real joints, it could use less magic for movement, but probably more for holding itself together, and it'd be all about different magical fuel efficiency and what use you wanted this thing for. Animated skeletons kinda have the same deal, it's clear why zombies are popular. even rotting flesh is still something to hold the bones together.
Austin Harris
I just can't handle how good this is. Why am I laughing so much at something so stupid but so PERFECTLY stupid
thanks, small cute moments is what i wanna do more of in the series, and yeah, people tend to tell me the writing reminds them of their friendships in real life
Nicholas Rogers
Disgusting. It wouldn't be so bad if the art wasn't dogshit
Aaron Lewis
Pretty sure that's why at least half of the people here started drawing. Nothing more liberating than being able to draw your own waifu.
Jayden Green
Which dewd?
Dylan Nguyen
>a girl asked to see my comic today >tell her nervously I'll bring it next time >secretly super ashamed because my comic is total dogshit >I'm not going to bring it next time
Once, but they were pretty OOC I feel sorry for people who feel the need to be all "Eew no you're weird my friends never talk about anything improper!"
Julian King
NEW MINI COMIC! PERFECT FIT: A BL LEGO FANFIC basil the batlord (lego racers) and pepper roni (lego island) find love between them tapas.io/episode/1381657
>perfect fit >logo is bricks fitting together user, I don't know how to tell you this, but what you're doing is pressing the nubs on top of the bricks together.
Jason Morgan
if you ain't willing to make a dick joke to your friend, they're probably an acquaintance
Luke Peterson
Yes, these strips came out once a week. So I recapitulate so much for resders that maybe missed week one. And to try and give it that Sunday newspaper feel.
Henry Stewart
That's exactly how I know people I will never be friends with: their reaction to what I consider normal friend behavior. You are friend material.
Brody Thompson
Do it. You have nothing to lose. If you act with confidence, self awareness, and optimism, it will be a great experience that will prepare you for the next time someone asks.
nigga go to the clubs or sports events if you want to see that horseshit
Grayson Hill
she has poopoo brown blood?
Nolan Clark
Originally orange, but dirtied by how much alcohol she drinks.
Andrew Torres
Is this going to lead to some situation where they desperately need to light something on fire and they use Sarah's blood because it's fucking 90 proof
Zachary Hall
Huh, that's a good idea user, i'll keep it in mind.
Jaxon Garcia
Not thrilled with how this page is turning out, but the show must go on. I'm paying the price for too many rewrites--all my sketches and preparation is obsolete and out of date, so i'm forced to improvise certain pages. It will even out, I'm confident.
Every scene can be tightened, every verb made stronger. That’s what removes extraneous information that stalls your plot. Informative action has its place, but it can be slipped in without taking center stage.
don't overdo it. you're right to ask this question because I hate it when this is done poorly basically do it enough times that we remember the name. that's it. not so many times that we start whining about when they're gonna get to the fireworks factory
Connor Rivera
>how long should i keep a scene that is talking about a character the readers dont know yet? I'm not sure what you're asking. Do you mean how long as in duration of conversation/scene, or how far out should the scene be from the characters intro?
If it's the former, as long as you need it to be. Most books that I've read that have had a similar set up usually don't take long to discuss the topic, a few lines of dialogue and some action narration. 1-3 pages for a book, lower end of that for a comic.
The latter might require more info. Some readers are good on picking up info and retaining it and can remember something mentioned in chapter 1 but brought up fully in chapter 30 and connect them, while others struggle to remember something that was hinted at within
Daniel Howard
What's the consensus on creating your own species for stories? I don't want them to be furries, but do want them to be distinct from humans. Think demons or trolls or trolls(homestuck).
Benjamin Butler
new page got busy and couldn't update friday lol fav.me/dd4nwbu Using DA until I can get enough time to learn HTML and make a proper website
too human is boring furries can't go wrong unless they look like living cartoons or mascot suits try something unique that doesn't fit in any category. make interesting shapes. do it.
Hunter Hall
but you already have two sites
Isaiah Morales
How do I make fantasy animals that don't look like furries?
Jace Peterson
Just make them cool and violent. emphasize the lines and bodily aspects that make animals cooler than humans just like if you're going to make goblins or trolls or something, make THEM have aspects that make them distinctly different from humans, not just "a human but ugly" or "a human but short"
Carson Ross
Ch1 Page 2, a more text heavy page. Might color background next time. I think that should make it more girlish.
How do you make characters have consistent proportions from shot-to-shot? Dee is supposed to much taller, but it doesn't look that way.
Set a standard unit of measurement and assign everyone's height values relative to that standard unit. That way you also have everyone's heights as a ratio relative to one another.
Oliver Ward
Is the standard way to do that by using circles? Made this awhile ago but didn't understand the point of drawing circles next to it, was just copying what I saw from model sheets. sorry for big file size
Construction, mah boii. then compare the constructed sketches to each other and edit at that stage.
Grayson Price
>What are your go-to places to find references? Usually just google search stuff and if I need a specific action to be replicated I'll make a gif of it from a youtube vid.
On my terms of updates...
Tom N Artie #2 is almost done, we're on page 17 with only 7 pages left to go. I'm still thinking if I'll upload it after we're done or wait till Issue 3 is finished. Most likely the latter because I haven't even finished the script on that yet.
Here's a look at an uncolored Page 17. It's right before the first fight scene which I'm excited to see get drawn.
On Tales, updates for that will go back to normal next week. Current story finishes up in two more pages but the next one will be ready to go off the bat!
Here's a look at an unlettered page of the next Tales story which will be started on May 10th. It's about the duo trying to collect on a bounty but things don't go according to plan with their luck. It's going to be 13 pages, longest one so far. Alot of people are liking how stylized this one is.
And it looks like you kept their proportions pretty consistent! next step is to work on shapes a bit
Chase Perez
>And it looks like you kept their proportions pretty consistent! Thankss >next step is to work on shapes a bit So, I'm just supposed to draw a bunch of squares? What do you mean?
John Howard
Like shapes of faces and heads and body parts. Stuff like that. Fill out the back of characters' heads a bit more when they're turned to the side, think about pelvis and knee shapes, that kind of thing. You're already showing a lot of improvement over the first sketches you showed us, so feel good.
Aaron Lewis
I love your comic. It was such a cute, yet creepy style. I agree the title fits perfectly. The only criticism I have might be that its not really plot driven, but thats more like... Something I personally prefer, and it says a lot about your comic that im still reading it with pleasure even when its not plot-driven.
Michael Perry
got another page done. since this was a lighter page, I'll try and get another done tomorrow.
While I've doodled the rough sketch for my first page, I'm really hung up on cementing the setting right now. It's fun brainstorming but I don't want to not do anything else. I'm trying to determine how advanced communications technology is at the moment since that's important throughout the entirety of the story. If there are consumer personal computers, I don't think I would want them to be capable of much more than instant messaging, but magic existing opens the opportunity for other means of communication.
Regarding how easily I'm distracted into thinking of inconsequential worldbuilding aspects, I was snapping my fingers to a song and thought that it would be an interesting way to light a cigarette. I think the average civilian might learn how to spark their fingers as an old schoolyard trick, but without a proper medium it cannot burn anything. That lead me to imagine a setting in which conventional lighters are replaced with sparking papers: a thin paper made from the pulp of a naturally occurring magical tree that (like the burning bush) can be aflame without being consumed by it. This unique trait does have its limits, but it's farmed and used to make sparking papers, which are sold by different companies and possess different use ratings (i.e "Good to 50/100/300/etc lights!") like a reusable match. People just spark one in their hands to light their cigarettes and blow them out. They don't make for a pleasant high, though, so no neverending joints.
>You know they make some now that tell ya how many lights you've got left when you blow 'em out? >Eh, that's a waste. I could jus' keep two papers on me. Ain't like they're made of gold.
Aiden Perry
Hey thanks, anons.
I'm glad it fits, cause I had several titles in mind and choose the definitive one after finishing the first episode. I'm very concerned about naming things and respecting the language, especially one that I'm learning. The title in spanish would be "Extrañamente encantador", that although adequate, doesn't have the same symmetry and simplicity.
>The only criticism I have might be that its not really plot driven.
I love plot driven stories but I'd like to master short stories until I exhaust ideas under the -loose- status quo that I set out to maintain, that's gonna take a while. Some reasonable hiatus here and there, but otherwise nonstop working is my goal as well.
I'll discover that myself on the way. I've been pretty lazy with backgrounds and want to treat some settings like an important character in the future.
I know this feeling. But sometimes i draw in public places like a Chad
SO MUCH THIS
I totally understand. Currently writing and drawing this chapter on the go. We'll be fine, my dude.
>What's the consensus on creating your own species for stories? Who in the fuck have you been hanging out with that you think this needs approval? Been wondering that for a while, I think it's 'appeal'(in an anime sense, clean design and large eyes) plus predatory features. Cartoonish designs with too much detailing on the fur seem to have the same feel. Simplest way to avoid that would be short snouts, or pure black eyes, or scuffing up their faces. Or just make them any kind of reptile that doesn't look like a dragon. I've been wanting to do a Hiimdaisy style retelling of Lovecraft stories for a while, my idea for the Ghouls (corpse-eating evil cavemen/Gypsy stereotypes. Only thing set in stone is that they have hyena faces and look human from a distance) would be mostly human but with black bulldog-like maws, very cruel eyes and lines at the edge of their faces to make them look drawn or weathered.
Oh and read Digger- a fair number of the cast are anthro hyenas and the don't look furry at all. diggercomic.com/blog/2007/02/22/digger-20/ Don't copy the noses, though, I think they were supposed to look ridgey but it just looks like they have holes going into their heads
Why do you talk like someone featured on r/Iamverysmart? I swear you're intentionally obscuring the question. >but I cannot settle on which architectural style the culture would be analogous to Whatever matches its feel- Victorian London is good for odd science, but it doesn't match a fantasy world. What about Roman, with the aqueducts giving houses mana? It survived to medieval times through the Byzantines and HRE, architeture there. >leading to an architectural shift as the ancient center of the city sprawls outward That isn't an issue >beyond s certain point or architectural utility, necromancy doesn’t function That doesn't work as a response to that post. Also taking this line as is, sure it does- have it do ancestor worship/'graven images' things
>I swear you're intentionally obscuring the question. Ran out of room- >I've seen you before, I swear you're intentionally obscuring the question
Bentley Scott
Im an argie too, and I feel eerily and extrañamente arent quite the same because eerily implies a slight creepiness to all of it. While extraño is just weird.
Not an expert tho.
Jason Gomez
here's travis' girlfriend (they been dating for 6 months now) and a white mage
Aaaaaand the final page of the chapter! Negotiations failed. Tried some distorting effects, they arent as good as I imagined but oh well. Im learning I guess.
No errors! Though in the future it looks nicer to center the text
Colton Campbell
Good attitudes.
Bentley Diaz
hehe :B: eter
>Regarding how easily I'm distracted into thinking of inconsequential worldbuilding aspects Easy problem for an amateur writer to have, no offense. I think your concerns about "cementing the setting" and getting distracted are because you don't know how to match setting to story. Not that you posted much to go on - all I know about your story is that your characters need to communicate. I can infer about your setting that you're going for a hard-boiled urban fantasy thing, but setting is never what makes a story good. (Also I might be wrong about that inference?) For example, my favorite fantasy story is called The Name of the Wind. There's all sorts of cool shit in there that I love - faeries, demon slayers, a rich magical system - but the stuff that grabbed me the most was comparatively mundane. I was more interested in how the main character interacted with his surroundings, and the way his actions reinforced the story's themes, than whether or not he would call down the titular wind with his magic. Writing a good story is like building a house. The foundation needs to be made of strong, simple human stuff that simple humans can identify with - characters, conflict, themes. Then you reinforce those things with narrative structure and aesthetic choices. The setting doesn't need to be cemented - it should BE the cement. If you need help with the foundation, then look at some of the writing resources in the OP (Invisible Ink is really good). Also think about the stories you liked that inspired you to work on this fantasy setting, and try to pick their foundations apart. Unfortunately, without knowing the nature of your story, I can't really give any more specific advice. Hopefully this helps.
Jayden James
Three weeks and I finally got a page done. thank god it's spring break. I might actually be able to build a backlog.
Worrying too much about insignificant shit like this is going to make your comic worse.
William Green
Depends on the kind of audience I'm going for.
Ethan Hughes
Just like how replying to bait like that makes the thread worse.
Kevin Evans
Good point, but there really are people who think too hard about that bullshit.
Jeremiah Bailey
this might be a shitpost, but I think this is something everyone here can keep in mind. there shouldn't be a "ratio". there's a difference between forced diversity and just having gay/minority characters.
Forced diversity is when a character exists to check off a box on a list. Being gay/minority is substituted for personality/character/a purpose in the story. Their primary reason for being is simply to BE gay/minority, not to be a character that serves a purpose.
Simply having a good character that is gay/minority character is different because that character exists for their role in the story first, and check a box on a list second, or in better cases, their ethnicity or gender has a purpose.
Wallace Wells from scott pilgrim is my go to example for this since him being homosexual somewhat serves a purpose since he basically acts as scotts relationship coach, and gives him a different perspective.
just don't be retarded and throw ethnicities/sexualities around without SOME PURPOSE, and you'll be fine.
Yeah like cutesy art styles and characters that make you want to puke from how sweet it is
Alexander Murphy
go read Beautiful Darkness, It's a really sweet story
Carter Smith
indeed. those people are the reason it's unreasonable to expect people to fully stop replying. sometimes the terrorists win.
Brody Nelson
I miss Carrion Girls updating
Nathan Collins
It shouldn't matter If you want gay people in your comic, then go for it. If not, then that's ok too. People dropping your work because the skin color/race/sexuality of your characters isn't the type of person you would want to have as your audience anyway.
Jose Sanders
i do not have any LGBT in my comic nor will i ever be concerned about adding one in additional since i do not color my comic i have no need having a race quota either
LGBT is extremely overrepresented in webcomics. You can have none of it in yours and have a clear conscience.
Kevin Collins
That third panel is AMAZING! The whole page looks great.
Chase Foster
The path to Making It in webcomics is like that road of corpses in Berserk. Except instead of representing all the people you've walked over to achieve your dreams it's all the other idiots who've tried and failed before you, which is arguably worse
>50% white, 50% black That's pretty colour-conscious, ngl
>BLACK PEE PUL >*mimicking sound of pen scratching* >WHITE PEE PUL >*mimicking sound of eraser rubbing*
actually it reminds me of that SNL sketch about the peanuts characters mourning charles schultz and Franklin is like "not a lot of roles for black kids back then, nobody wanted to do the shading"
Benjamin Ramirez
For me, half of my characters are some form of heterosexual and the rest are lgbt but you can't tell since I don't waste my time saying "THIS PERSON IS GAY". As long as your characters are well written, it's fine. If someone complains about a well written minority character, then quite frankly they a unsatisfied dick. (This goes for sjws and alt righters, they crazy people)
Now for race, it's complex and depends on location. If it takes place in Japan, well of course there's gonna be Asian people in it. Same for Europe where nonwhite people are uncommon. It's not the end of the world if you don't have diverse characters just as it's not bad to have few who aren't normal ass white dudes. WRITE THEM WELL!
I too do worry a lot about what people think of my characters since a good portion are just straight white people. I'm black, so naturally I'm gonna have a few black characters in my story. It just makes sense for me. Same goes for being Bi.
I know it may sound ironic for an user like myself to tell you advice like this but this is Yea Forums, these sad incels will complain about everything. Best to ignore these people.
Nathaniel Sanchez
Gets me every time
Nathan Gray
It reminds me of when Transformers Prime came out and at first it seemed like some more forced diversity in the main cast, but then we found out it took place in Detroit and at that point, the fact that they had everything BUT black people, when Detroit is about 90% black, became something that kind of united everyone in how incorrect it was.
Jackson Torres
only then it turned out it was somewhere in Nevada I think? so it was a really big nevermind situation. Nevada's got everybody.
Carter Butler
*not just just people
Dang it. To continue my point, why do folks still take issue with minority? Even when the author goes out of there to write them in a way that engages the reader?
I get that minorities and lgbt people are commonplace in webcomics but that's because webcomics allow for people to do things big publishers won't let them do. Though to be frank, most of that "lgbt" stuff is just yoai and yuri reskinned as lgbt romance.
Carson Davis
*not just white people....man I hate my tablet
Th r legit ones are not
William Peterson
>why do folks still take issue with minority? no-one does. it's 100% invented by the media, and shitposters embrace it to further what they think is a joke. That's a given. Now, whether the attempt to equate minorities with the ... shall we say, differently-brained, is part of a big conspiracy or not, that's uncertain
Owen Long
As common I feel. Unless you count the ones where being gay is the whole point of the comic.
Cameron Jones
Transformers Animated was Detroit, Prime was Nevada. However, animated was also hundreds of years in the future.
Jack Wilson
speaking of Animated, anytime you want to completely scramble up the PC types, point out characters like Sari or that DC hero "Icon" who have some kind of minority apperance but are actually aliens or robots Hearing them stumble over their own addled minds trying to decide whether that "counts" is a solid get-out-the-popcorn moment, and I generally hate when people say that
Ian Peterson
If space rocks can get a award for being gay, Sari technically counts.
Jonathan Moore
Between you, OxF, and Rau, we are getting saturated with oni comics. Can't complain, but I've always had a soft spot for traditional get-your-ass-to-church-style angels and demons.
That shit is on the same level as "oh I'm actually an 800-year-old fairy dragon, I just *look* like a skimpy prepubescent girl!"
I like, and include in my comic, all of those things.
Parker Richardson
I prefer more interesting takes on angels and demons honestly.The angels in my comic are largely these uncaring arbiters of justice and order that sweep out anything they deem "disorderly" . They use to do this often until humanity's faith in the angels weaned. Now a days they work at office jobs in heaven and do they're business indirectly in the forms of miracles.
Demons on the other hand were the result of angels siding with Lucifer and being damned into an eternity in hell. They naturally evolved into demons know today with more breeds if them being born. The most interesting thing in done about them is how they're usually born. A select few demons are given the role of "broodmother" and they're some duty is to produce new demonic offspring. This job is usually handed to succubi.....who hate the job. A few of them flee to the human world to intermingle with humans which create half human half demon offspring called cambions. Ellen is one of these cambion children.
Ryan Cook
The angels still sound like cliched takes.
Charles Sanchez
I am glad you enjoy it.
That's his first name, literally because his mom named him that.
I was thinking about that, too! There's an oni uprising!
I have a guardian angel story I plan to work on more in the future (pic related), so I always enjoy seeing other people's takes on angels. I'd be interested in seeing what your angels offices in heaven look like.
Then you have oni-style angels like that Dokuro-chan That's how you write a one-note character. You pick a good note.
Ayden Young
it should be a universe where everyone is gay.
Robert Gray
I think the planet Anus is enough
Nathaniel Sanchez
Rack another page done. The four pages a week thing might be presently impossible given my living situation. Too many sudden and involuntary social obligations. That said, the time will come--and three pages would be a good compromise.
Meanwhile, this page convinces me that after this chapter is done, I have to sit down and really refine the text bubbles. I'm all in on having most characters have their own unique bubbles, but the ones I have now are bulky and clumsy.
Styling question: More natural/organic looking drawings (just drawing as one can) or something more MSPA looking? Aliased lines and such. I know that pretty much just means it's a fan MSPA in conjunction with the pesterlogs but eh.
Sebastian Gray
i dont know how i feel about how you brought in this new character.
Aiden Powell
You can certainly shrink them, and you can give them a more efficient inner volume and better use of space with the text filling them better.
Asher Williams
I know it's not co related but I just wanted to post this. Joker has me hyped
Talk me through it. Originally, he didn't show up until AFTER Gasparro leaves, and it's just Rork and the King who have a buddy buddy moment before the King, left alone, has a spooky vision.
I decided to have Rork come earlier because: A: He will give Gasparro, and the audience, a more confident argument for the Concord Initiative. B: He is a major antagonist in the story,and he should be more intimately connected to the premise. C: This way won't take as long as the previous set up.
>thread activity speaking of, if the threads did activities/challenges again would more people be interested if there was some kind of reward for completing or "winning"? Nothing planned, just checking for interest.
Asher Hernandez
And here's the colored version. This is page 18, not 17, don't know how I got that screwed up. Only thing that's gonna be edited is giving that Tonic Troop's katana more of a red glow like an energy sword.
I’m genuinely interested to know your misgivings. The overt issue is that I’ve now introduced five major characters in the first chapter. Perhaps too many for an audience who hasn’t been thinking about this for six years.
Evan Young
brapp
Tyler Clark
Is making background characters difficult? Like wtf am I supposed to do.
Landon Allen
I've been sick all day so I've been watching Sam and max and then I saw this part and it instantly made me think
I prefer competing in things with zero stakes so I don't feel as bad when I get ignored or lose. If there was real motivation, people would work harder and the competition would be more severe. That said, nothing feels quite like seeing the results of a contest and knowing you could have done better than the winner. That happened recently.
Did a fatass double update for Murky Deeds. It's a webcomic that focuses on a mystery on the creepy side in a town called Crookhaven, and two kids trying to solve it before they're hunted down.
hopefully this won't be flagged as spam. Fair warning it looks really unfocused and messy until the last few chapters.
Owen Richardson
aw thanks.
Evan Young
posting a webcomic in a webcomics thread on a comics board can only be spam in the kind of dystopia that we live in right now so good job being careful I guess I remember your art. You should post pages as you do them, in the threads. This is quality stuff and you'll get attention
Daniel Bennett
thanks dude, I didn't consider that. I just kept my head down and worked on it as much as i could. Would it be out of line or would anyone be interested in a dump of a chapter?
Samuel Garcia
I feel like your chapters are a liiitttle long for that, but you can definitely post pages or groups of pages as you finish them, I don't think anyone would object to that. I certainly don't speak for everyone.
James Garcia
I'll post a few pages of it at the very least, not gonna do a dump
>tfw officially gave up on my comic due to low interest i'm sorry but i feel so fucking lonely
it's like i'm sat alone in the cinema, watching a movie i made, and it's shit
Austin Mitchell
send link to your comic and i might give you critique
Joshua Peterson
chances are you already have it's too late anyway
Nolan Wood
This. Mathematically, 99% of us won't make it. We'll make our dogshit comics for a while then gradually focus on it less and less as we get older and life gets busier.
We live in an era of instant gratification. With a few clicks, you can watch all types of porn, movies, TV shows, and even if you're tight on money, free games are around every corner. All types of anime/manga are available for free on the internet, and if they're really bored there's Yea Forums/reddit. Why would anyone want to read some horribly drawn comic written by an amateur whose total readerbase can fit in a SUV?
Jordan Young
Been in Holland for a few weeks, finally found some time to work on this while overseas.
The double take in the penultimate panel doesn't work, as the action runs right to left, whereas we read it left to right as we exit the panel.
Joseph Ward
1-less nice than main characters 2-stereotypes, nigguh 3-mix and match You can also just pull them wholesale from unrelated sources like the news.Here, have a random selfie generator, almost always non-horrifying thispersondoesnotexist.com/
See, this is why I keep hammering on the good writing angle.
David Kelly
I'm making it for myself so I can learn to draw and form stories better.
Adam Martinez
It's tricky to get it to work because of the relative positions. The instructor needs to be on the left of the cage for the doubletake to read, but the dialogue "An empty cage?!" has to come first.
The preceding two panels could be combined to actually show the cover being pulled off (but before revealing the cage is empty).
Welcome to the country. Don't get addicted to stroopwafels.
Ryan Stewart
Autistic nonsense. Focus on the story/art instead of dumb nitpicky shit like this.
Josiah Gutierrez
My opinion? organic forms, but aliased lines. Looking at something like Prequel, there's times when Kaz takes the time to do a proper lineart drawing with real form and not just a cat made of pool noodles, and those times are always appreciated, but they still have aliased lines and the relatively low resolution makes it even more impressive
Lucas Phillips
Super cool
Jace Williams
I think both views have merit. It's not worth changing but it is worth thinking about in the future. Obviously in real life action can't always just move left to right for you
Wyatt Lee
Two's better Also don't act like a prick about storytelling immediately after I talk about storytelling
Hunter Hernandez
>Two's better That was not the intention of that redline
Jason Cook
three pages in 4 days. I'm happy with that output. Who thought a low effort comic would make me go back to drawing them heh.
it's happening so much now with so many people, I almost think 4chins needs a thing like email has where it's like "it sounds like you described an attachment but didn't attach it" only it'd have a little Super Milk-Chan calling you a dumbass
Aaron Morgan
it's just that i'm tired lol
Brody Bennett
>officially gave up on my comic due to low interest And what did you learn? Might as well turn this into a learning experience.
Nathaniel Peterson
What are some of your favorite ship dynamics /hyw/?
it's one of them twitter memes going around that i think would make for a good thread activity.
That is pretty dang cute. I like patient, mature partners who soothe and corral their hot-headed and dumb mates and make them better people. Extra points if the latter is actually older. Works for either sex. I also like when both of them are smart as balls and constantly playing three-tiered mental chess just to sharpen each other Similarly I always ship two idiots, especially if one is bubbly and outgoing and the other is shy and reserved and maybe more of a savant. intense amounts of mutual admiration are nice but that's almost better for friends than loveloves. One thing that works is if the two are turbonerds for very different things, but still have that in common Got a softspot for arranged marriages where they actually fall in love legitimately. Way more interesting to me than the inverse: forbidden love where they're instantly super passionate. And when you get right down to it, there's nothing like perfect partners who work well together at what they do. Jim Henson did a ton of puppet stuff with Jane while they were both engaged to other people, and eventually they were like "nah wait, this is right"
Second chapter of my comic is finished, critique welcome!
Compared to the first, this one was harder for me to finish. I think trying to draw and upload a page frequently messed with my concentration and motivation. Im definitely going to see if uploading small chunks at a time, and not worrying about *when* I will upload, will improve my focus
I'm still enjoying it, even if I'm not really following the story too well
Cooper Reyes
thanks May I ask what your interpretation of the story is as of now?
Logan Scott
Not the same user, but it seems like child slaves, most likely orphans or pow, put to work as adults buy and sell them. I haven't picked up more than that, but I also skimmed it and wasn't paying too much attention.
Justin Martin
how long were you doing it? you should also create for its own sake an audience and a community helps but you should do things the way you want before finding happiness with other people's opinions
Jayden Richardson
I am that guy and that's basically the idea I get. the focus on them actually getting jobs is an interesting thing about this setting, as opposed to your typical abused orphans or flat-out slaves. Maybe a really aggressive apprenticeship system?
Christopher Peterson
>finding happiness with other people's opinions This is true with most things in life. If you need someone to like you, your work, or your ability to give to them in order to continue on with something then you'll have a hard time making yourself happy and enjoy things that serve no purpose other than making you, yourself, happy. Trying to make other people create your happiness for you is not a healthy mindset.
Jaxon Allen
Would you stop going to Yea Forums if you started finding threads of your webcomic here? Specifically the ones ripping on it
Nathaniel Myers
I would use it as a way to get better and fix what people thought was shit
