Western animated movie on a $28 million budget

Not a fair comparison. Akira would be a better film to compare for the quality.

Have we finally reached the point at which zoomers who grew up on cgi actually think it's good? The OP may be bait but no one's calling out the 3dpd.

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REALISTIC GOOD CARTOON BAD.
No no, anime is fluid, let me cherry pick a fight scene webm where the camera moves around a lot to prove my point.

shinkai is a HACK

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>Yea Forumsutist doesn't know jack fucking shit about production and makes a comparison spanning generations while comparing trad animation and mixed media too a flashy fucking light's show that moves like a cardboard cutout.
the jokes getting old you plebeian piece of shit.

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>Using still frames to prove his point about animation budget
You didn't think this one through did you?

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When you know how Japanese animators are mostly underpaid and working overtime with the poor labour welfare.

>50% is spend on marketting
>40% spend on actors

>anime is fluid
there is practiclaly no show that has consistently good animation in anime. but they can have very competent direction where they cleverly frame shots and reuse assets without it being jarring

Plus there are no jewish producers and PR people eating up 2/3 of the movie budget, under the claims that you have to promote every movie or it won't sell.

Strangly enough those promotions aren't done by the PR companies or the producers, they just hire outside companies to do it. Run by jews too.

Fuck off /pol/

Dude, it is not /pol/ talk my dad works for a PR company. But the last 10 years or so, the budgets for promotions are really over the top. It is just wasting money. Do you think End Game needed as much money put in to promo ? The coffee bduget alone was over 1 mil. 1 mil for coffee, it is crazy. In the 80s or 90s people took they cut, but they were greedy. Now good movies go under, because they can't match the income with the promo budget.

That magic carpet sequence is fluid, inventive, captivating, dynamic, fully animated, and impressive.

Your anime movie is a bunch of background panning and key frames with some cheap Adobe lens flair effects.

Sure sure now fuck off back to /pol/

no.

>one makes 500m box office, the other???

>money creates quality
What a stupid, puerile argument to make. This is Yea Forums level quality.

>talking about animation budgets
>uses a still frame to compare the two products
Quit being retarded.

Painting each frame on cells and hand-drawing each frame and hand-painting every set, combined with what was at the time cutting-edge 3d animation (the cave escape, the texture on the carpet, and a few other things im forgetting), plus advertising before the internet was really a thing (muuuch more expensive) is much pricier than animating everything on modern computers and industry-wide rock-bottom wages and extreme hours, it turns out.

Aladdin wasn't cels, it was digital.

Didn't Aladdin have 3D animation in there, which was crazy expensive at the time? I'm pretty sure that adds on to the cost.

Also, a lot of artist(western and eastern) use shortcuts and cheats like this to help save time.

robin williams was a lead role

walt recycled rotoscoped scenes in his classic films

Yeah, because reusing things you created in other things you create is the exact same as grabbing a random photo and just editing it to look like you drew it yourself.

>24 year gap

Have you seen what japanese animators are paid? No wonder their movies are cheap to make.

>no inflation counted

Yes it had. The three most noteable CGI was
- the Cave of Wonders (the head)
- the texture of the carpet
- the POV escape from the Cave of Wonders
Out of the three, only the last looks dated.

Your Name by definition is not weeb, and is the fourth highest grossing movie in Japanese history, probably the highest of all time when accounting for foreign box office. It has 97% on RT with 111 reviews and won best screenplay and was nominated for best direction.

This isn't true of Your Name isn't and true of anime in general. It's a myth.

youtube.com/watch?v=a2GujJZfXpg

Have people forgotten Akira or Ghost in the Shell? Or Ghibli movies from the 80s and 90s? No.

They aren't sweatshops.

Why would Aladdin be better than every anime movie ever made?

Making the camera move around requires animation.

Based on what?

Animation is an artform and high quality productions only come about because of skilled and motivated staff.

There are many such shows.

They don't grab "random photos" or pretend they drew them from scratch. They also don't edit them, they paint over them.

Goddamn the assblast is real.
Disney is a cult

Key animators are paid more than in-between animators, and not everyone is paid the same. Movies pay better and have higher budgets than TV shows. And even if you doubled the budget it would still fall very short of most American productions. People always talk about anime being too cheap but never talk about American movies overspending.

And Your Name did not even cost $300,000. The budget was probably over $10,000,000.

I havent seen the movie bottom but let me take a guess:

>20 something year gap
>top picture the characters and background are all moving fluidly
>bottom picture the character is more or less motionless, on a static background, with CGI lasers zipping around.

Only the first 2 are right.
OP is a retard for comparing movies decades apart but you faggots sure do get triggered easily over muh anime.

Wrong: files.catbox.moe/4f585v.webm

Almost nobody on Yea Forums has ever seen any anime. Maybe DBZ or Naruto when they were kids.

No one likes anime. When YN came or a bunch of people just called it overrated to fit in. Your anime fandoms suck and so do you

>japanese artists are underpaid
What's new?

>not sweatshops

Japanese animators literally work in sweat shops like environment and get sweatshop salary but they do it because they love anime so much.

If no one likes anime then how do you explain the American anime market? And why are you trying to change the subject?

Making anime isn't an industrial assembly line process, it's an artform and is made by artists.

>made by artists
yes
>isnt an industry line process
oh yes it is, it's a business foremost. nips just have a culture of suck work/respecting their superiors and so there is so much work death/abuse.

Anime is just like cartoons: 99% garbage and one or two good shows every once in a while.

I'll shit on burgertoons and sing the praises of anime any day but this is a really bad comparison. If all western cartoons looked and animated even half as well as Aladdin and other Disney films I'd have no reason to complain.

Someone post the sleep schedule of that one manga artist, I think it was One Piece's?

Anime factually is not made like cell phones or other such industrial products and you won't be able to argue otherwise.

This is a myth.

>Thousands of shots of anime characters just standing moving their lip flaps
>Dozens of underpaid and overworked Japanese animators
Somehow better?

youtube.com/watch?v=a2GujJZfXpg
files.catbox.moe/4f585v.webm

And see

cyka?

animenewsnetwork.com/interest/2019-04-10/madhouse-production-assistant-hospitalized-for-overwork-demands-compensation-for-unpaid-overtime/.145557

literally worse than a sweatshop cause you actually get to home at the end of the shift

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Oh wow a screenshot of two of the characters taking up the shot versus an landscape shot, what a fair comparison.

Fuck off weeb

How does this prove that anime is made like mass produced products? And what does a single manga artist's schedule have to do with this?

What is the film on the bottom?

Out, damned Famicom!

It's a business foremost even though the animators love their work, but it is also a slave labor shop built on the backs of underpaid work, only reason anime exists.

kotaku.com/make-anime-in-japan-get-a-shitty-salary-1820035912

>even in a fucking trailer, there are still static shots

You have no idea who that is.

Of course it's a business. It takes millions to make anime. Every form of media is a business. This doesn't mean anything.

>but it is also a slave labor shop
There is no slavery in Japan.

>kotaku.com/make-anime-in-japan-get-a-shitty-salary-1820035912
What is this supposed to prove?

What about it?

Every time specific anime are brought up for why they are “superior” it’s always Naruto, MHA and Dragon Ball. These are your greatest works according to weebs
You’re playing yourself with this assumption

All this proves is that you can buy a lot of pretty background paintings for the price of a few minutes of genuine animation, but only if you pay minimum wage.

Those are brought up by people who basically do not watch anime.

See

>What about it?
It does not bode well for the animation quality of the final film. Compare the trailer to Aladdin, since this is how this thread started: youtube.com/watch?v=8HrmBXgiwDU

Why do you expect that every single shot should have some kind of character movement in it? Not even live action movies do that.

shot reverse shot is also considered extremely lazy in live action movies, which is why artsy fartsy directors do shit with camera angles

Just standing and flapping their mouths without even shot reverse shot is rife in anime

People are always moving to some extent. Not that Japanese animators understand that, since for them people are either standing stock still or overdramatically flailing about.

I didn't say anything about shot/reverse shot.

>Just standing and flapping their mouths without even shot reverse shot is rife in anime
It's massively, massively exaggerated by people who don't watch anime, and nobody understands why it's done and how it works, and nobody understands that American animation cuts corners too, it just cuts different ones.

There are shots in live action where the actors are completely still, or there's nobody in the shot.

>Not that Japanese animators understand that, since for them people are either standing stock still or overdramatically flailing about.
False.

WTF, I love sweatshops now

They aren't sweatshops.

>nobody understands that American animation cuts corners too, it just cuts different ones.
This whole argument started by comparing budgets. Maybe the reason Aladdin cost so much was that it didn't cut corners?
>There are shots in live action where the actors are completely still
Try to be completely still. You can't.
>False.
Prove me wrong.

>28 million
>300,000
Aladdin is strictly better. Superior in every way. What a difficult question.

It may not be a literal sweatshop complete with suicide nets like Foxconn but those people are worked HARD and for a pittance.

The working conditions/wages are those of sweat shops, but the workers here are doing it because they love it, the people in sweatshops don't.

>This whole argument started by comparing budgets. Maybe the reason Aladdin cost so much was that it didn't cut corners?
Yes, even Disney cut corners.

>Try to be completely still. You can't.
I didn't say anything about being literally completely still.

>Prove me wrong.
Try actually watching anime.

How is it superior in every way?

I guess Americans just take it easy and are in the industry because it pays for an upper class lifestyle, and this is the correct way to make animation.

Jin-roh? Kind of apples and oranges though considering the material.

No animated television show is fluid anymore, least of all action shows which a lot of anime are. But the japs stretch their budget and balance that shit, all while making it look good.
Honestly Venture Bros. is basically slightly movi g characters on still backgrounds, but damn if it isn't the best animated western show in the past decade.

The handful of armor scenes are pretty great, but I don't know many people that can say the majority of the movie of the stuff between the mains is top shelf stuff, animation wise at least

Like you said though, that's comparing two pretty different properties

>Sweatshop conditions are fine if the workers are happy
Do you know why the stage version of Uncle Tom's Cabin is despised?

It has good animation besides the action scenes.

sakugabooru.com/post?tags=jin_roh animated

>>No animated television show is fluid anymore

>saying this when Land Before Time: The series exists

cringe
back to a
oh wait, shinhack would get shit there too

I didn't start this thread, and the reason why he would get shit there is because Yea Forums doesn't like anime and doesn't watch anime.

I haven't seen the jap movie, but let me guess: talking heads.

youtube.com/watch?v=a2GujJZfXpg
files.catbox.moe/4f585v.webm

This thread is just an endless succession of people making the same few comments over and over again.

>We live in a society

Shinkai would and should get shit for it. Even Garden of Words was better than Your Name.

Yet somehow france manages to beat japan at their own game constantly, doing the anime style with much more fluid animation, while at the same time having better working conditions than not only japan but america too

Are you the autist who doesn't believe in autism

>Yet somehow france manages to beat japan at their own game constantly
No they don't, Mr. Enlightened Centrist.

>>>/reddit/

Posting dialogue scenes would probably help your case more than posting music videos and trailers, which are obviously going to be biased towards scenes with large amounts of movement.

Just saying something doesn't make it true. France has disney tier animation PLUS anime tier art

USA GOOD
JAPS BAD
LE RAPE OF NANKING
HIROSHIMA AND NAGASAKI WERE NECESSARY EVILS

That music video has lots of mundane scenes. Did you even watch it?

They have neither of those.

The bottom movie is called Your Name and it's quite worth watching, you don't need to be a weeb to enjoy it.

This. I like anime a lot, particular the shows by gainax and toei, but if you think anything japan's produced has animation on par with the disney renaissance you're dead wrong.

Anime has impressive animation only if you don't know much about animation. Ever notice how all of the well animated scenes are fight scenes or otherwise really fast paced? It's because they're really easy to cheat. When characters are moving super fast you can just jump from key to key super easily without having to concern yourself with how the drawings connect. With the slower disney type stuff you need to put a lot more effort into making sure each frame connects and the forms stay consistent. That's why anime that DOES try to do that sort of thing looks so floaty and choppy; they're not used to having to slow down and think about how the drawings connect

Basically this. The only reason there's more good anime is because there's more anime in general.

And how do I know it isn't cherry-picking those scenes for shots of visual interest? Why can't you post a normal dialogue scene?

You're autistic

Why did you put "le" in front of rape of Nanjing?

I always love bringing up Nanking simply because it makes weebs freak for some reason and deny it
Either way every weeb thread is “Japs good Burgers bad” so I could flip this on you

Man, in the early 2000's Aladdín as any other 90's Disney movie was everywhere in my country. They were in clothes, penclis, toys, so if you haven't seen the movies you would have had plenty knowlege of Disney characters. They were culturaly influential as hell.

What's the name of tha chink movie again? I alway say "I have to watch it" but I always forget it.

It's mostly one autistic weeb getting really mad as normal people get baffled by him

He thinks Americans hate Japan for some reason, even though we obviously don't

>You cannot name a single anime film better then even Aladdin, let alone Disney’s best

Spirited Away is better than Beauty and the Beast.

Incredibles/Toy Story 1&2 and the rest of Pixar's non-Disney output don't count and still are only on par at best.

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> but if you think anything japan's produced has animation on par with the disney renaissance you're dead wrong.
Animation quality is not measured with frames per second.

>Anime has impressive animation only if you don't know much about animation.
On the contrary, only those who truly understand animation realize that anime has the best animation.

>Ever notice how all of the well animated scenes are fight scenes or otherwise really fast paced? It's because they're really easy to chea
This is because you only watch battle shounen.

>The only reason there's more good anime is because there's more anime in general.
That's not how things work. Quality is not the accidental by-product of quantity. American animation wouldn't be at the same level as anime even if it produced an equal amount per year.

Again: the music video has many mundane scenes. Either watch it or stop posting.

Autism does not exist.

Why do you tards always let these threads hit bump limit?

>Autism does not exist.

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>Land Before Time: The series exists

Now this is news to me

As an user said before: FFAA shitposting, is quiet fun specially when someone (Usually famicon) goes into autistic breakdown.

That's what I said.

I remember why the author of Hunter x Hunter put his works on long hiatus. The high pressure destroyed him.

Aren't overworking and poor working conditions common problems for Japanese workers?

Dear god, they look like cheap chinese rip offs, I used to have tons of figures like those when I was a child.

What the goddamn fuck.

>Animation quality is not measured with frames per second.
I know it's not. Quality animation comes from solid draftsmanship, good timing and spacing, and maintaining forms and having convincing weight and volumes. Anime has the first two in spades, but really falls short in the third.

>On the contrary, only those who truly understand animation realize that anime has the best animation.
Explain

>This is because you only watch battle shounen.
Nope.

>That's not how things work. Quality is not the accidental by-product of quantity
Statistically wrong

>Again: the music video has many mundane scenes. Either watch it or stop posting.
HOW DO I KNOW IT'S NOT CHERRYPICKING THE SHOTS WITH MOVEMENT FROM THOSE SCENES YOU FUCKING WEEB

>anime
>good spacing
You're kidding right? How many times do you see something suddenly switch direction without slowing down or speeding up?

ah yes animation quality decided by a single still image

>Anime has the first two in spades, but really falls short in the third.
It has the best animation in the world.

>Explain
People think animation quality = frames per second. Because anime doesn't have as many framer per second as Disney, they are not able to understand that it actually has better animation.

>Nope.
Yeah you do and there's no use denying it.

>Statistically wrong
Do you think TV shows and movies are made at random and some of them just happen to accidentally be good?

Because that music video wasn't specifically assembled to satisfy your retarded obsession with having something moving on the screen literally every microsecond.

>Because that music video wasn't specifically assembled to satisfy your retarded obsession with having something moving on the screen literally every microsecond.
It wasn't assembled to provide an accurate depiction of the animation quality either. Why do you continue to refuse to provide a dialogue scene?

It was assembled to make for a good music video.

>Why do you continue to refuse to provide a dialogue scene?
Do you continue to refuse to watch the fucking video which, again, contains numerous mundane scenes?

And the western one looks better evident by your screencap
>youtube.com/watch?v=a2GujJZfXpg
Holy shit this looks trash

>It has the best animation in the world.
I already explained why it doesn't

>People think animation quality = frames per second. Because anime doesn't have as many framer per second as Disney, they are not able to understand that it actually has better animation.
I already told you why you're full of shit. There's terrytoons cartoons done on threes that look like they're 24 fps because they get how weigth works

>Yeah you do and there's no use denying it.
Except I don't. I mostly watch comedy

>Do you think TV shows and movies are made at random and some of them just happen to accidentally be good?
Yes. There is quite literally a mathmatical law relating to this called sturgeon's law. Mediocrity is the norm

There's barely animation in this

post that webm with 16 different animes doing the same faces and framing every second

>Holy shit this looks trash
No it doesn't. You are making things up.

>I already explained why it doesn't
You don't know what good animation is, and you have seen practically no anime.

>Except I don't.
Why continue this charade? You made it very obvious that battle shounen is all you watch.

>Yes.
You don't know anything, do you?

>There is quite literally a mathmatical law relating to this called sturgeon's law. Mediocrity is the norm
It's not a mathematical law or a law of any kind, and it doesn't prove that shows and movies are created at random.

Because your definition of animation is cartoon characters wildly waving their arms around.

Why? That webm has already been debunked.

>Debunked
>As you post that twitter screenshot of some random anime and Big Mouth and say all western animation is ugly and looks like that

cause is fun to watch you n-word!

I have never posted any twitter screenshot.

You’re autistic. I’m not even saying this as an insult, just an observation

I do watch jap cartoons, but they are not my main basically because I can't stand limited animation and overdetailed eyes with lack of other facial features.

The fandom, on the other hand is fucking cancerous, maybe I'm too newfag, but I haven't met any weeb who don't think they cartoons are the best shit in the planet.

Those backgrounds are nice, but that doesn't make a movie.

There is no such thing as autism.

Anime is the best animation on the planet. That's just a fact.

You sure are autistic if you keep repeating that crap.

You are the one repeating things.

>it's another fucking Yea Forumstard trying to bait Yea Forums
You don't fucking diss Aladdin you stupid weeb, it's better than 95% of your weebshit films

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>Animation quality is not measured with frames per second.
Imagine being this retarded

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That’s not Disney’s best and Ghibli, while great, doesn’t match Disney

If you think animation quality is measured by FPS, you don't know anything about animation.

Animation quality still isn't measured by FPS.

Animation quality is measured with a lot of things, one of them is FPS.

>It was assembled to make for a good music video.
AND SHOTS OF TALKING HEADS USUALLY DON'T MAKE FOR GOOD MUSIC VIDEOS
POST AN UNEDITED DIALOGUE SCENE FROM THE FILM, IT'S NOT THAT FUCKING HARD

>but really falls short in the third.

What the actual fuck am I reading. It's anime that excels at this well beyond all but the best western animation. I have never seen western animation as weighty as anime can be.

Nice goalpost moving

FPS only matters up to a point and is enormously overrated by Americans.

You have no idea what you're saying and don't know anything about anime. You're just hysterically acting out memes like a good little NPC.

>Using NPC unironically
Post discarded

>That’s not Disney’s best

Then what is?

>Ghibli, while great, doesn’t match Disney

I've not seen a single Disney film that compares to Ghibli's best. They don't even have anything better than Laputa, and that's the most 'Disney like' Ghibli.

the one below is a powerpoint presentation

Because you are one.

How many times has this been posted and refuted by now? Is nobody reading the thread?

youtube.com/watch?v=a2GujJZfXpg
files.catbox.moe/4f585v.webm

Woah I wonder if Aladdin had a fuckload of big name actors and musicians and more as part of their budget.

How many times we have told you "fuck off Yea Forums nobody likes you"? Is nobody reading the thread?

Making intelligent use of the budget is part of filmmaking.

I didn't make this thread and I'm not from Yea Forums, and you're changing the subject because you have no counter-argument.

Fantasia, Snow White, Pinocchio, Lion King
Likewise, I have not seen a single Ghibli film that compares to Disney’s best. More mid-tier Disney

>Disney has more frames per second so their movies must be better

They profited insanely from Aladdin. They profit from it to this very day. Clearly the budget was well placed while that anime movie has been forgotten by most.

Holy shit that looks like fucking garbage

That's not good animation if you want to defend anime at least post Akira

Akira is good, but the story is fucking retarded, and It's not retarded in the good way like 90's MTV is retarded in the retardation meaning of the word

Weren't you just trying to defend the movie by saying they spent too much on voice actors and musicians?

>Clearly the budget was well placed while that anime movie has been forgotten by most.
It was the #4 movie of all time in Japan, almost #3. It's been constantly talked about since then. You are making things up.

It does not and you posted this already.

Brock looks okay. The thin, tall eyes of the original series really doesn't work well for CGI though.

Is there any other series notable for having long, thin eyes? I'm actually at a loss here, I don't think I've seen another show with eyes like this. I've watch a good chunk of 90s anime and somehow indigo league pokemon always blended in for me.

>There's only one person who thinks YN is a PPT with cute music

We are specifically talking about Your Name, so what the hell does Akira have to do with anything? Even if we were talking about animation in general, Your Name is well-animated and otherwise well-produced.

>Your Name is well-animated and otherwise well-produced.
I bet you believe that crap

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I wasn't "Trying to defend it by sayin they spent too much", I was stating as matter of fact that they had bigger names on all areas of production to account for than Your Name, thus, they needed more money. And the investment clearly worked because the film became iconic worldwide.

Your Name is nothing, you will not see anyone discussing it in the mainstream. "Constantly talked about" is fucking retarded, google that stuff and the awareness of it outside of anime fans is nothing.

Anime has less FPS and movement, that's a fact. But the sad thing is that they do better art with they limited budget. Most western animation is more like purple prose, too many movement aimed to hiperactive little kids.

Even if you're two different people, you're still wrong.

It's a fact.

>Your Name is nothing
You are making this shit up because you know it's a more significant movie than Aladdin.

> "Constantly talked about" is fucking retarded, google that stuff and the awareness of it outside of anime fans is nothing.
Again: it's the fourth highest grossing movie of all time in Japan, not some "anime fan" thing. In the West it has been reviewed by more than a hundred critics on RT and is frequently brought up on Yea Forums and reddit.

>Again: it's the fourth highest grossing movie of all time in Japan,

local, it doesnt matter in the big scope of things

Different user, but Akira's animation actually looks good. Those YN clips look choppy and the characters don't move naturally. Plus the background panning makes the characters look off when they're changing view and perspective with that animation. Sure, the backgrounds are pretty and it has more frames than anime generally does, but the animation is still subpar compared to Aladdin or Akira.

>Fantasia

Mostly adored by boomer hippies. Few music buffs give a shit about it and it was never that well received and only retroactively considered the 'art masterpiece' it later got deemed as. It's honestly hilarious that Le Sacre Du Printemps, with its controversial dance choreography, ends up becoming about dinosaurs.

>Snow White, Pinocchio

The former is pretty damn good, but I can't put it above the top Ghiblis, and the latter actually does have animation exceeding the vast majority of anime, on top of being surprisingly dark, but I can't say it's a great film as a whole.

>Lion King
Decent but defiantly overrated, I wouldn't put it as top tier Disney. Naussica is the most comparable Ghibli, and it's handily the better film.

Japan is a country of 126,000,000 people and the world's third largest economy. There exist countries other than America.

You are making things up.

How am I making shit up? I watched the clips you keep on posting and described what I saw. Animation better than the usual but not on the same level as works that take into account natural human movement and perspective.

You are making shit up by claiming it doesn't have good animation.

And there exists countries other than Japan.

Redline looks better and is more fun why did it flop bros?

Where did anyone say otherwise?

Like I said, having more frames than usual does not automatically mean it's good.

How did it do internationally compared to Aladdin. You said Your Name was more significant.

Why are you repeating something I said and pretending you're the one who said it?

No, you said that by having to make things up about Your Name. You know it's more important than Aladdin, that's why you have to make shit up.

Okay, you're just retarded.

No, you are.

>No U

How old are you?

Why do you people keep doing this? You post some shit like "you are retarded" and then get offended when you get a "no u" response. What the fuck's wrong with you?

>You know it's more important than Aladdin
I've never even heard of Your Name.

and Aladdin is popular in the country in that country of 126000000

Along with billions of people around the
world who can recite’a whole new world’

And?

If you have to resort to making shit up then you are admitting that Your Name is more important.

Offended? The problem is that you can't argue. You resort to "nuh-uh you're just making stuff up" like a autistic kid when I tell you why the animation doesn't look good and asked you how YN is more significant in the grand scheme of things compared to Aladdin.

How is it more important than a thousand year old tale?

>The problem is that you can't argue.
Your argument was as follows:
>Okay, you're just retarded.
And now it's accusing me of non-existent autism.

Again, what the fuck is wrong with you?

It just is.

i am not making shit up of how Alladin is popular around the world

Japan recognizes Jasmine , Genie , Alladdin just as much

>It just is.

So you have no point at all

Your Name made 190 mil in Japan, 358 mil internationally.

Aladdin made 504 mil, which taking inflation into account, would be 875 mil in the year of 2016 when Your Name released.

If Aladdin is so important then why do you have to make shit up about Your Name? Because it's not important and you admit it.

Yes I do.

Does it ultimately matter? Disney is the Alpha and the Omega of all animation. It is the universe to the sandcorn that is all of the entire rest of the world's animation industry. Disney is the infinite mandala, the representation of all that is America, the young Empire nation that dominated the 20th century.

>Your name
>Important

Its the James Cameron Avatar of japanese animated movies

And Your Name is more important.

Disney is enormously overrated.

No it isn't.

OP, one of these movies is fully animated and the other is a PowerPoint slideshow

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Then make a damn point instead of blocking your ears and saying "you're lying!!!"

How many times now has this been posted? How many times have I had to in turn post these:

youtube.com/watch?v=a2GujJZfXpg
files.catbox.moe/4f585v.webm

Almost nobody here has any idea what the movie even is, they just jump to conclusions based on epic battle shounen memes.

I made my point very clearly and you know it.

>And Your Name is more important

Okay, how?
>"It just is"

That would be actually be anything from Miyazaki, the only Japanese whose animu ever won an Oscar by grace of the Walt Disney megaconglomerate.
All of Japan shall praise Miyazaki for bringing in an oscar, for only Miyazaki truly was considered good enough by the great minds of the Walt Disney family corporation.

You're either baiting, or a 12 year old weeb who just discovered anime.

>tfw this nigga reminds me of myself at age 12 when I thought anime was Very Adult and Complex

Okay dude, nobody has ever watched Aladdin and Japan definitely doesn't love Disney like rice bowls and everybody in Japan loves anime, it's not mostly relegated to social outcasts and children, no sir. And everybody in Japan loves Your Name, which is a very high quality film because you believe it is

He has to be baiting because he isn't even forming an argument on a technical level, he just linked the trailer and acts like nobody else has seen anime before.

I explained how. Very clearly.

I have not baited anywhere. I am older than you. Weebs don't exist.

If anime isn't adult and complex then nothing is, and thus you have no point.

>it's not mostly relegated to social outcasts and children, no sir
It's not. This is a myth. You don't know a thing about anime.

>And everybody in Japan loves Your Name
It's the #4 movie of all time and was insanely popular when it came out.

The claim that has been made over, over, over and over again in this thread is that Your Name is a slideshow. The music video and opening self-evidently disprove that. And basically nobody here has seen anime.

>If anime isn't adult and complex then nothing is,

Holy shit

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It's elementary logic. I guess that's something you aren't very good at.

>If anime isn't adult and complex then nothing is, and thus you have no point.

Okay, this is bait. Pack it up boys, go home.

If the Japanese were given the choice of having to decide of Frozen or Your Name would be forever banished from the world, they would always willingly sacrifice Your Name, as Frozen is a Disney movie, and as such more popular than whatever the Japanese themselves are capable of creating.

>shinkaishit

>It's elementary
Holy shit

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Disney was never good, they only made shitty family movies. Japan makes shit for kids too but also lots of stuff for teens or adults which is why they're better.

>elementary logic is now bait
I wonder what this says about your level of intelligence.

Disney's popularity is overestimated by insecure Americans craving Japanese approval. Frozen was an outlier that was globally popular, and even then Your Name was only a hair's breadth away from overtaking it. And it's still not as popular Spirited Away.

It is. You are just stupid.

>Muh Naruto has killing in it, that means it's for teens and adults like myself

>Reduced to name-calling
Now that's just lazy of you.

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>outlier

Is this what denial looks like
Everything disney shits out is popular in Japan. Disneyland isn’t built in Tokyo for nothing

Being such a weeb isn't going to make Japanese women jump on your penis.

I just want you to know that the reason the uncultured swine at your junior high shove you in a locker because you used the term "elementary" outside of a Sherlock Holmes context and you think it makes you sound smart.

>Disney's popularity is overestimated by insecure Americans craving Japanese approval. Frozen was an outlier that was globally popular, and even then Your Name was only a hair's breadth away from overtaking it. And it's still not as popular Spirited Away.
It does not matter, for Frozen is Disney, and Disney is always superior to anything that the Japanese themselves can do. Japanese love Disney, and thus Disney is supreme. Disney is beyond the keen of anything that the rest of the entire world can achieve.
Disney does not merely set trends, it is the only way forward, and everything else is just meekly following in their path.

Projection.

If you are claiming Frozen wasn't an outlier then you are claiming it represents the average success of a Disney movie, which it does not.

Coco and Incredibles 2 were #8 and #9 last year, while Detective Conan was #2. Moana was #6 in 2017 while Detective Conan was #4.

Weebs don't exist.

I'm older than you and you are projecting.

>you used the term "elementary" outside of a Sherlock Holmes context and you think it makes you sound smart
The word can be and is used outside Sherlock Holmes. If anything you are pretending to be smart by bringing up Sherlock Holmes.

>Disney is always superior to anything that the Japanese themselves can do
No it isn't.

Age or gtfo

I'm older than you.

Dude you're proving their point. Most of those shots are static/barely-moving character over elaborate backgrounds.

You're just easily impressed by limited animation of detailed backgrounds and characters more than full animation over of simplified backgrounds and characters.

You either have legit brain problems or you are lying.

>Coco and Incredibles 2 were #8 and #9 last year, while Detective Conan was #2. Moana was #6 in 2017 while Detective Conan was #4.

still popular then

I doubt that.

Not as popular as Frozen was, which is what was being claimed.

>No it isn't.
All of Japan itself believes it to be so, or else, the Japanese would not praise and love and admire all that is Disneykind, and wish to work on their sublime cartoon shows and movies.

There is Disney, and then there's a wide immense power gap, where at the end of the bottom, the entire rest of the world's animation industry fights for the scraps about who gets to be called less worse than the others.

western cartoons suck major dick

Some of them look okay but for the most part they have an incredible amount of effort put into something that looks juvenile, childish, and stupid. The major issue with western cartoons is that they constantly stem from "it's a cartoon BUT (insert catch here)...". Where as from a default japanese anime doesn't have that stigma of being for children. The closest cartoons have come to being both well animated and not for children has been the Castlevania series and even that is juvenile and childish. Couple this now with the fact that western media is plagued by sjw feminist garbage and we've got a whole industry of western cartoons that is beyond saving.

There hasn't been a cartoon that rivals anime's wonderful adherence to style and beauty. Westerners simply do not view animation as a viable story telling medium. Western cartoons that try and break that mold still maintain a sense of childishness.

Adult cartoons:
Venture Brothers
Castlevania
Family Guy and other Seth shows
Archer
Capeshit
The only of these that somewhat pass is Castlevania and that is still PURE EDGE.

Fuck cartoons.

>All of Japan itself believes it to be so
No they don't.

It's okay, user. When you grow up you can read more mature things.

i never said all disney movies are as big as frozen you retard

>Disney, and then there's a wide immense power gap
When the fuck was the last good disney cartoon? The last would have been decades ago, Disney is a fucking joke now. The anime industry and other western animators will either kill disney, or help to put them out of their misery faster.

Japan decided that Disney is superior to their own production when they watched Frozen.
Such is the power of the megacorporation that sells the American Dream to the entire world.

There is Disney, and then there's garbage.

I said Frozen was an outlier. You said it wasn't.

>Japan decided that Disney is superior to their own production when they watched Frozen.
No they didn't.

>Anime isn’t for children
>The majority of anime is Pokeshit that airs in Tv Tokyo’s kids block

>>Japan decided that Disney is superior to their own production when they watched Frozen.
>No they didn't.
You cannot escape the truth that is the supreme juggernaut of animation that Disney represents. Nothing has come close to Disney, nothing ever will, nothing can ever do so.

Of course there's anime for children you fucking retard. There's more anime NOT for children than there are cartoons not for children is what they are saying. Face it, cartoons suck and sjws are only making it worse.

LOOK AT THIS SHIT
DOES THIS LOOK GOOD TO YOU?

The majority of anime is late night anime and has been for years.

The power of Disney is marketing, anything decent sell and is remembered because of that. Just ask any normie if they remember Pocahontas and Batman TAS, everyone remember the former, not so much the last.

Cartoon watching autists wouldn't know enough about anime to know the scope the medium covers. The closest these fucking degenerates will ever get to the depth anime can get is shit like My Hero Academia or Shingeki no Kyojin

This is the biggest lie Yea Forums has sold you
You get proven how anime is inferior in every one of your Yea Forumsutist brigade threads but you’ll come back tomorrow starting with a Naruto image to showcase your “greatest show”

This thread is fucking stupid, these are two completely seperate works that have loads of differentiation's going on: the time when it was made, the people working, how they're paid, production standards, work times, etc. OP's a fucking faggot and this thread is stupid

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>DOES THIS LOOK GOOD TO YOU

no but its looks as good as most anime

Anime has a lot of weight, sure, but it's the same weight applied to everything. Hair, water, flesh, metal; they all have the exact same weight to them. The only difference is how much they squash and stretch everything. Also, japs can't into squash and stretch. TMS and Ghibli were the only studios to figure it out

Pretty sure you are either trolling, falseflagging, a shill for disney, or a retard.

Nah man, one industry is objectively better and that is anime. Cartoons suck and are getting worse because of sjw's

Here’s the scope of anime
>All shows star humans
>Most take place in school
>Either generic action series that recycled every aspect or is moeshit
>Outside a few the exceptions to this is shit like Pokémon

>technical skill is quality of art
Who the fuck cares. Animation quality means nothing when they are animating retarded little animals going on retarded little adventures.

Still way more enjoyable than 90% of cartoons which are still primarily made for children.

No, we’ve had enough of you /au/tist bait threads. We’d be less brutal if you didn’t pull this shit daily and fail every argument

>god OP you're so stupid unlike me
>255 replies
He got what he wanted dummies

Yea Forums hasn't told me shit and Yea Forums doesn't know shit. I actually watch anime and I look up timeslot information and industry reports and whatnot. It is a fact that most anime is late night.

>You get proven how anime is inferior in every one of your Yea Forumsutist brigade threads
This never happens and I once again did not make this thread.

>you’ll come back tomorrow starting with a Naruto image to showcase your “greatest show”
I have never even seen Naruto.

You can't be serious.

>Hair, water, flesh, metal; they all have the exact same weight to them.
And other things that didn't happen.

>Also, japs can't into squash and stretch.
Just because they don't fetishistically obsess over it doesn't mean they don't know how to use it.

>Here's the scope of anime as told by someone who has no idea what anime is

You are a delusional faggot.

*90% of anime is made for children, you just pretend it isn’t and that late night is more then a niche thing in Japan like Adult Swim

We're actually here to stealth-advertise for Disney, user.
After all, Disney just released its plans for Disney+ and the first teaser of Star Wars Episode 9.

>squash and stretch
Why would they do these things to animated characters who are meant to look beautiful or realistic in someway? It looks nice for cartoons because cartoons are meant to look soft and squishy for the children who watch them.

Industry reports clearly state that late night anime has more production minutes, and besides production minutes the late night shows are greater in number. You are just trying to drag anime down to America's level out of jealousy.

Name one anime that does not star humans or human-looking characters

Why?

>Why would they do these things to animated characters who are meant to look beautiful or realistic in someway?
Hopefully, to keep you from falling in love with fictional cartoon characters.

90% are not made for children you absolute fucking mong. Most cartoons are either made for children or are just edgy comedies like Rick and Morty or Family Guy

Squash and stretch is actually a thing that happens in real life you tard. If you lie down on a pillow is it going to remain perfectly ridged? when you open your mouth is your head going to stay the same shape as your mouth magically floats over your head? does a ball stay perfectly circular when you kick it?

Stop talking about shit you know nothing about

>making it look like shit to make people like the characters less
I don't deny that cartoons and anime have different intents with character designs, but the emphasis on character design that anime has, especially making characters actually attractive, has led the industry to branch out narratively and thus we have way more genres of anime than we have of cartoons.

What said, why? Why does that matter you furry scum?

>>making it look like shit
It already looks like shit. The least you could do is demand better animation from the people selling you fictional wives.

Why does that fucking matter though? Who cares, yes western animation has better traditional techniques but it doesn't change the fact that what they are animating looks like shit.

>animate purple-haired dykes eating shit
>animate it super guud and with lots of pointless stretching and squishing
>still just sjw garbage

>demand better animation
We do though, with sales of merchandise and BD sales. It's called capitalism. But what you are saying is that anime should incorporate more pointless and needless animation techniques that really only work for pudgy amoeba like characters like Steven Universe. Why would they do this?

I think you're projecting a bit. I'm not as autistically obsessed with the west as you are the east. I like both eastern and western for different reasons, and I wish more art leveraged the strengths of both

Personally though, I think animation peaked with 20th century euro animation

SU doesn't have squash and stretch. Again, stop talking about shit you don't understand

Western cartons tend to use S&S in a hyperactive way, making things move around because they can instead of showing restraint and restricting it to a minimum unless there's reason for it.

Yet the anime that DOES use S&S happens to be the shit everyone goes crazy for.

>the emphasis on character design that anime has
I think anime looks way better than most western cartoons, but stop making shit up. There's ten or so designs that have been in use since the 70s, the only difference is the surface details like hair and glasses

Yes user, the reason why some anime gets popular is because it had squash & stretch in there somewhere. Wew.

There have been really obvious shifts in character design since the 70s that have continued to this day so you definitely have no idea what the hell you're saying.

That's not what I meant. Movies like akira have tons of S&S and get tons of praise for their animation

There is nothing remarkable about squash and stretch, you are just fetishizing it.

Superficial ones sure. They might draw the eyes different or make the curves softer or make the proportions a bit different, but they're only ever just different enough to make it look like they changed more than they did.

I never said there was. It's necessary to convincing animation (unless you're animating concrete), but it should be unspectacular and restrained in order to maintain the illusion

You're the one who made the whole conversation about it, citing shows like SU that don't use it as examples of why it's bad

>They are actually making ur a furry argument
Very simple. Western animation breathes creativity. They won’t just bring humans alive or even animals being humans, they’ll bring inanimate objects to life. Things that don’t even exist. That’s what it’s all about and always has been about
Anime is lacking in creativity if the only stories then can adapt are based on humans and similar to other shows in their genre. It’s ok if you can’t

This. Anime is insanely good technically. Nobody can beat japan when it comes to art and animation.

But when it comes to interesting ideas and concepts, they fall very flat

Characters from the 70s are very different looking than characters today. Character design trends have changed every decade. You either have brain problems or don't watch anime. Or both.

I never mentioned SU anywhere.

>Western animation breathes creativity.
American shows are almost all either children's cartoons or adult sitcom cartoons and don't have even a fraction of the creative scope of anime.

>Anime is lacking in creativity if the only stories then can adapt are based on humans and similar to other shows in their genre.
There are practically infinite stories that can be told about humans. You are just a furry.

When it comes to interesting ideas and concepts they are the best. But you'd have to actually watch anime to know that.

>There are practically infinite stories that can be told about humans. You are just a furry.
So why should stories about non-humans be off limits? ur a fury lol isn't an argument

Who said they're off-limits?

>ur a fury lol isn't an argument
It is when it's clouding your judgement to this extent.

>Who said they're off-limits?
You

>posts a series of still images and slow motion animation (aka fewer frames) to prove how well animated his weeb garbage is

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Where?

furries aren't real

You literally called me furry twice because you can’t think inanimate objects can be characters so of course people are going to mention it
Who you replied to isn’t even me so it’s not just me who thinks you’re nuts

I didn't post any still images or slow motion animations, and Your Name by definition is not weeb or garbage. I did not start this thread.

Now his next phrase is "I-I'm not from Yea Forums, I'm from Yea Forums, desu"

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reminder that these threads are actually removed from Yea Forums in a matter of hours, and nippon steel retards are allowed too do this shit completely without consequence.

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>Japan is a country of 126,000,000 people and the world's third largest economy
You are making things up.

>But when it comes to interesting ideas and concepts, they fall very flat
WESTERN CARTOONS ARE MADE FOR FUCKING CHILDREN

I want you to name me off 10 good cartoons that are not for children, not comedies, and have deep character dramas

I already replied to that post.

Feel free to look it up yourself.

That's because this is an anime website you bitter faggot. Yea Forums has been a staple of Yea Forums since it's beginning and therefore they are more anal about protecting it's community.

Reminder that these threads only for looking at retardeds going on Yea Forumsutistics breakdown because they can't defend their .ppt with cute music.

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Who cares if they're made for children? Dr. Seuss is literally made for babies and it's some of the most creative shit on earth

sucks to have an unpopular board i guess?

>Feel free to look it up yourself.
[citation needed]

fpbp

What's with Yea Forums and popularity? For a site that mocks reddit for being a hivemind, you people seem awfully concerned with the popularity of shit

For it's time sure Dr. Seuss was creative but come on, that time period didn't have much to compete with.

Anime is meant to depict real people for the most part, only ideally. The "designs" aren't the same thing as the art style you dumb person.

Your powerpoint meme has already been disproven countless times.

>I'm too lazy to look up very basic widely available facts

being low pop isn't even a bad thing, all it takes is looking at the high traffic boards too realize this.

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Cartoons are for furries

Anime is for pedophiles
/thread

this.

>Your powerpoint meme has already been disproven countless times.

You are making things up.

/chan

No, you are. I have posted the youtube video and webm video many, many times now. You have no arguments and you are full of shit.

>You have no arguments and you are full of shit.
You can't be serious.

That is most certainly not a source of pride. Jap animators absolutely deserve to be paid more than whatever spare change they're currently getting handed.

So what is your argument? Denying that those videos were ever posted? Fuck off.

Yea Forums deeply embarasses itself every single time it tries to attack anime.

Yea Forums never attacks anime, Yea Forumsutists attack Yea Forums and Yea Forums fights back

>Yea Forums deeply embarasses itself every single time it tries to attack anime.
You are making things up.

Why using your name as example? Dragon Ball Super Broly had WAY better animation than that trash.

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how come every anime everything I watch has one good artist that does the big scenes, and the rest of the show/movie looks like shit? but when I watch American produced animation, the quality is almost always uniform throughout the production?

This. I literally just got done jacking off to hentai and then came here on a whim. I saw this thread and wanted to bitch at you guys and let you know that cartoons suck. I showered 30 minutes in because you people made me feel the need to, and then came back here to keep telling you how much cartoons suck. I'm bored, autistic, and have a point to make.

Now if you'll excuse me, I have a VN to read. I am legit not trolling here btw, fuck cartoons.

What's the name of the technique "I will put my whole budget only on the best scenes"?

you weeb fucks came here, you always bloody do, get the fuck out.

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This entire thread's been an attack on anime.

It isn't trash and this same post has been made at least three times now.

>how come every anime everything I watch has one good artist that does the big scenes, and the rest of the show/movie looks like shit?
Because you only watch (100+ episode) battle shounen.

> but when I watch American produced animation, the quality is almost always uniform throughout the production?
Uniform does not mean good.

>uniformly shit

Okay, pal, see you next week

They had been calm during the last months. I remeber during December they got full autistic and here were like 5 threads like this one every day and other threads were derailed with autistic EvsW fights.

I didn't make this thread and weebs don't exist. How many times do I have to say this?

>weebs don't exist.
So do autism?

>autism doesn't exist and neither do weebs
jesus fuck now that's some Yea Forumsutism.

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Autism doesn't exist either.

Autism doesn't exist. It does not exist. There is no proof it exists. There is no such thing. It's all made up on Yea Forums. It means nothing. Go outside.

>Autism doesn't exist either.
You are making things up.

No, you are.

Is this supposed to be comparing the backgrounds of the two movies or something?

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>Bumping this shitty bait thread
Goddamnit, user.

oh man, it's this retard again.