What an age, wow

Fuck. He did alot in 4 days.
God damn.
I want him to still be alive, but I'm kinda scared what he will do with all the time he's had.

Yeah I don't remember Loki having dialogue in Avengers 1 as good as Ultrons, despite him having a better performance

It’s a damn shame his movie was an absolute shit show, it’s better than it could’ve been sure but jeez they had to pump way to many pot threads in it

Yeah, Age of Ultron my ass.
Why did they even name the movie after some shitty event comic that had nothing to do with it anyway?

I agree with you, but Age of Ultron is a cool name. Probably thought it was too cool to pass up.

>they had to pump way to many pot threads in it
Yeah, I could have done without the scene where Bruce gets Cap to try a joint.

If Ultron were still alive would he be affected by the snap?

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But that scene in South Africa where Tony builds the giant bong around the hulk and hot boxes him to calm down was kino

I haven't seen infinity war yet, but I'd it get rid of any trees or plants? Or even animals? Because if not then it might work on higher consciousness, in which case arguably yes

All life. Ultron is a life.

That's because Wheadon was absolutely disinterested in using Loki. He didn't care for the charachter so much that he wanted to use either red skull or ultron in the first film as the main villain while Loki was the secondary antagonist

>robowaifus would get snapped as well
Fuck

Age of Ultron was so terrible I'm legitimately blown away that people actually like this movie. I don't think I enjoyed a single scene of the entire film aside from them trying to lift Thor's hammer. Literally.

Yeah, the second time I watched it I couldn't believe how shitty it was. Same with Avengers 1 really

That part and the scene where Heimdall shows up out of nowhere to tell Thor he shouldn't be worrying about petty fights on Earth like that and should focus on the true enemy, etc. That was pretty cool, yet I assumed at the time he only meant him going and "creating" Vision with the Stone.

I kinda of appreciate AoU in context as it showed the Avengers operating at some kind of peak during a throwaway Earth-based adventure which is what we should see now and again. The film could have been much better though. Ultron did suck and Whedon fucked up so much. So glad he's gone. AoU should have showed Cap and Tony be really tight friends for the most part other than one or two debate scenes so his 'So was I' line in Civil War meant more.

Oh God, I just remembered Age of Ultron was filled to bursting with sequel hooks. The plot like stopped in the middle to simultaneously be a trailer for Civil War, Infinity War, Black Panther and Ragnarok.

The only real issues I have with it is the terrible pacing (feels like nothing happens for the entire middle part of the movie) and Ultron's weirdly inconsistent characterisation. Otherwise I really enjoy it and still watch it from time to time.

Yep, all the stuff people complain about MCU movies tying with the next ones is present on AoU. It's the most guilty of this, because at least you can sort of watch Civil War without context, same as Black Panther, Doctor Strange, Ragnarok and every other that came out after that. But AoU? That one pretty much dips into all the sequels so you're stuck watching half a movie and half a trailer.

>makes infinite back ups of himself just to be sure

Civil War should have just been the 2nd Avengers film.

This was cause of Ike, no? MCU had a dip around 2013-2015 excluding Winder Soldier and GotG largely cause of obtuse asshole. I think Ike's dickery is what made Whedon so pissy at Marvel (though I'm certainly glad the quipmeister is gone).

Ultron may have only been 4 days old, but he's read all of the Internet.
All of it.
Yes, even THAT stuff.
He's an old, old soul.

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It basically was. Age of Ultron had almost no lasting impact.

They never had any sort of satisfying conclusion to his little arc with Tony either, or Tony and Wanda really burying the hatchet. Such a odd film. Also stupid how the final fight, again, was them vs. army of drones. Have simply one vibranium Ultron vs. the heroes... and have Ultron being a good, scary villainy that doesn't dispense quips. I still can't get over how utterly shitty the Ultron design was compared to the comic con one they used. You don't need an expressive face to have a good villain. Vader is a good example of that.

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Considering both AOU and Justice League I am convinced that Heroes vs Drone Army is literally the only thing Whedon can come up with. What pissed me off is how weak the Ultron drones were, fucking Captain America was able to tear through the damn things like aluminum foil.

>am convinced that Heroes vs Drone Army is literally the only thing Whedon can come up with
Let's not split hairs here, I'm pretty sure JL wouldn't have been much different under Snyder.

Remember how Wanda was able to read his mind and she stole his robot body right under his nose? Remember how Jarvis got the body instead? Remember how Ultron tried to kill all the scientists and yet the female lead survived? Remember how they had Vision magically remove his best ability being able to escape to the internet so that he could return again one day? Remember how they wanted to kill all the Ultrons so he couldn't escape? Remember how he actually got in a ship and could've escaped but instead flew over the floating city to shoot at everyone and managed to kill Quicksilver? Remember how Hulk jumped in and got him because of that? Remember "for the love of God?" Remember how Ultron Prime was taken down by a blast from the heroes and Wanda literally ripped out his heart?

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One thing Whedon, Snyder, and even the Russos all have in common (and I like the Russos) is the heroes not looking as fucked up as they should from a fight. Superman vs Zod or Doomsday? No visible damage at all. Fighting for fighting's sake. Infinity War stuff? No quite like that but I'd appreciate Cap or co. looking more injured from their ordeals.

This. Snyder was the one with all the Parademons.

Dude, I would prefer to not get into it over JL but it was a completely different product before Whedon did all his reshoots.

They completely squandered the whole "Ultron can move through cyberspace" thing. You can tell they really just gave up and wanted to wrap the movie up quickly.

Yep, I remember it all. And Cap's stupid 'LANGUAGE!!' thing.

just kidding

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>but it was a completely different product
Of course it was, on paper he could come up with everything he wants, putting it on screen is a completely different deal. At this point, Snyder's JL is not too unlike Jodorowsky's Dune, just a ton of halfbaked but grandiose concepts that no one would be able to put on screen, nor want to.
>Snyder was the one with all the Parademons.
Yep. All he said was that Darkseid was the main villain anyway, nothing about the Parademons.
The main tell the movie was going to be bad was that the very first word uttered in it was "Shit".

Kek, it's like Whedon actively wanted to prevent Ultron from returning so he could leave his mark on the franchise. I wonder if we'll know the while story of the fued Ike caused.

Quicksilver was so shit as well, especially the actor's performance. Olsen somehow wasn't anywhere near as cringe as he was. Also his 'You didn't see that coming!' thing with Hawkeye came across as so insufferably Whedon, which is funny cause I never got pissed off when the Russos did similar shit like 'On your left', 'I could do this all day', 'We don't trade lives' type of reincorporation. Maybe it's cause Whedon is smug and unlikable that there's the opposite of the halo effect over his films.

They could totally half ass his return and the fans and normies would be fine providing Ultron actually reemerges as a good villain and the film he's in is good. Some stupid shit like Ultron being partially imprinted on Vision and his death or something releasing him. Really flimsy retcon stuff that no one except turbo autists would get pissy over.

They hinted at Ultron's possible return in Infinity War.
And what "mark" would killing off Ultron make? None of the villains have recurring roles except Loki. Over half of them are dead. Same with the DCEU, no one survives except Luthor and Joker. You can't even count Harley as she's gone full protagonist at this point.

I fucking hate Whedon you guys.

They did? How? I'm guessing you mean when Banner was saying Ultron is part of what makes Vision, well, Vision. So you mean to say that implies his consciousness is in there somewhere?

>hivemind droid army designed by advanced AI

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Whedon: Another example of a man that can grow a full beard yet still looks like he bleeds pure estrogen. James Corden and Steven Merchant are other examples of this bizarre phenomena.

ralphthemoviemaker's review of AoU remains my favourite online takedown of that film.

All of the good "fighting as a team" action is contained in Civil War and Infinity War.
This is known. Avengers has that good continuous action shot, and a good moments, but those two movies are a cut above it.

When the Russos do callbacks it feels a lot more natural. When Cap says "I can do this all day" it's basically the MCU's "Avengers Assemble" because it really defines his role well. He's the guy who will stand up to ANYONE. He doesn't care how much punishment he has to take. When Quicksilver says "You didn't see that coming!" it feels like he's talking to the audience. Honestly I'm surprised he didn't wink and vamp for the camera after he said it. There's literally nothing to suggest that his character would run out in front of gunfire to save Hawkeye of all fucking people. And there's 12 ways he could have probably saved him without getting his ass shot up. So yeah, nobody expected you to be a complete dumbass.

Honestly one of his best reviews.

That stupid "LANGUAGE!" thing with Cap made me want to strangle Whedon through the screen.

I can only appreciate his quip back and forth with Tony as Thor was leaving towards the end of the film cause it's some evidence of a lighthearted friendship that makes the 'So was I' line mean more. So I can only really appreciate the quipmeister's bullshit through the prisms of something superior the Russos made.

>tfw you realise 400 Allied soldiers died during World War II because Steve felt it more necessary to lecture soldiers that shouted 'shit' or 'fuck' and so forth during combat instead of swiftly defeating the enemy

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>Junior

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MCU wiki is autist. They will add anything under the aliases section if a character is called anything but their actual name, even just once in passing. They also come up with hilarious names for shit and turn them into event pages, like Ant-Man fighting Falcon is called Duel or Skirmish at Avengers Facility is some bollocks like that. It reeks of a autist trying to making everything sound cool or gritty.

>Introduced two Avengers in Wanda and Vision
>Introduced ideological conflict between cap and Tony that came to a head in civil war
>Sent Thor off world which leads to his imprisonment by Surtur, kicking off Ragnarok
>Fleshed out Hawkeye a little more
>Introduced Bruce and Natasha as a thing

Good or bad, Age of Ultron brought a lot into the MCU, most of which sent rippling consequences throughout. Such as Tony and Cap being at odds, leading to civil war, leading to a split Avengers losing to Thanos.

>>Introduced Bruce and Natasha as a thing
Which barely got addressed afterwards, beyond an awkward "hey" in Infinity War. Thankfully it was ignored.

I'm not going to defend the quality of that whole arc, but it was a plot point in Ragnarok. Her video was what got Hulk to turn back into Banner.

Lots of things introduced in Ultron had an impact layer on is my overall point I guess.

I like Ultron. It's just that Marvel will rather have him quipping and be the punchline of a joke. What's the point of juicing him up if you don't give him a chance to wrestle with the Hulk? His fight scenes with Thor are also lackluster. Movie is alright just for that scene where he interrupts the Avenger's party.

Give him the nonexpressive eyes and glowing mouth. Take out 90% of the quips, replace them with the intimidating shit thanos says. The voice was perfect, it’s just the writing that fucked it. He needed to be an active threat with his drones throughout the entire movie. There should have been next to no downtime when it came to Ultron. The movie is called age of Ultron, but it never felt like he was ever in control of anything relevant to the world stage.

Just think of all the shitposting.

They should have used the mind stone or some bullshit like that to give a glimpse into the real and terrifying Age of Ultron. Most of humanity is wiped out and what's left are enslaved by Ultron and worked to death, etc. Age of Ultron never really happens but we do see the outcome of his victory. Imagine seeing an emaciated Cap or Thor in rags worked like a slave. Use Terminator or Samurai Jack or whatever for inspiration. They could have went fiercely dark with Age of Ultron and it could have been one of the big standouts in the MCU.

Oh, and see pic related? Could have done some similar shit but with Tony and Ultron, and if they wanted to do an interesting subversion, they could have had Ultron being an entity that was able to be reasoned with (unlike Thanos), beginning to see the perspective the Avengers had, and lulled into letting his guard down before being backstabbed and destroyed. Even that would have coloured their victory in a somewhat sour 'We ended up destroying something that still could have been reached and redeemed' thing.

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You either do this or you go all the way in the other direction where Ultron is quipping like a maniacal Tony Stark. The little exchange he had with Claue could have been the whole film, where he keeps on acting like Tony despite himself because he's absorbed Tony's brain waves or some shit like that. And he hates his own quipping as he hates Tony himself. The more he quips, the angrier he gets. It could turn into a Joker-knock off, but it'd at least be more intimidating than what we got.

I think Whedon should have done away with the drones altogether. They weren't intimidating because the Avengers just turned them into cannon fodder. It would be one thing if there were only a few drones and they provided a serious challenge to the heroes but since they got turned into scrap metal it almost felt like watching one of the bad Transformers sequels featuring Avengers characters. If it was just Ultron and he could go toe to toe with the Avengers, he'd feel like a real threat.

They didn't show it but Feige confirmed animals too. In one of the Endgame trailers Widow says "all living creatures".

So same principal as mini bosses? Nando v Movies is another pretentious prick and has some ideas I hate but I didn't mind his idea of having Ultron recruit past villains like Crossbones and Abomination (basically forming the Masters of Evil).

I genuinely think he would have been more interesting if he acted more child like.

That's fucking retarded, the church being in the middle of town doesn't mean everyone is equally close to God, everyone in the center of town will be closer than anyone on the outer rim.

Which is a huge fucking plot hole because it completely invalidates Thanos's entire plan, as it deletes a gigantic swathe of the matter and energy the universe had to work with. He literally deleted the resources he claimed to be freeing up by wiping out life.

oh, fuck

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Thanos' plan having holes in it isn't a flaw of the plot. Thanos is a madman who is more concerned with proving himself right than actually doing the right thing. He's stuck on that theory he presented in an attempt to save Titan. He leave it in the past.

Thanos is doolally. That's not in dispute. He's meant to be scary cause he's so convinced of his plan's righteousness and cannot be reasoned with. He still hasn't moved past what happened to Titan, and is applying a plan that would have worked there to stave off catastrophe to the universe as a whole. He's batshit. A powerful, insanely powerful maniac running around the universe committing mass genocide after mass genocide for completely insane reasons is more scary and tragic than if he did the exact same thing but the rest of universe went 'Well... he DOES have a point!' For Christ's sake, he thinks the universe will be grateful to him after he's finished with his work. Again, he is fucking doolally.

It's a plot hole in that the story itself fails to recognize this problem, and is focused on Thanos's obsession yet fails to point out the most egregious outcome of his obsession: that his plan literally defeats itself.

>It's a plot hole in that the story itself fails to recognize this problem
No one is even buying Thanos' plan long enough to even consider the serious ramifications. They just see him as a nut who wants to kill half the universe. That alone is enough to tell most characters he can't be reasoned with.

Ultron calls Tony his "old man" too

>Lasts only 4 days.

REMEMBER HOW A GIANT MECHA ULTRON WAS PLANED AND SCRAPPED???????

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That is cool but so over the top, they should have scrapped the drones at least

But would all of the Ultron bots count as one life or several?

Bro, did you forget about Fury's Big Week?

>Ultron was only good in the scene they used for the trailer
False
youtube.com/watch?v=hI9GyhX7yHM

>Age of Ultron was so terrible
No, it's actually a well constructed movie with a good rythme.

Don't get the hate for him, this video shows it. He was better than Hela who's regarded as one of the best mcu villains.

>and Ultron's weirdly inconsistent characterisation
It really isn't. it(s clear from start to finish.

Why ? Seriously, there is zero fucking reason to get upset. this is all in-character. there couldn't be a more arbitrary reason to be upset.

>Remember how Wanda was able to read his mind and she stole his robot body right under his nose? Remember how Jarvis got the body instead?
Nothing wrong with that.
> Remember how Ultron tried to kill all the scientists and yet the female lead survived?
No ? he needed her and then he killed her once he got his body stolen
> Remember how they had Vision magically remove his best ability being able to escape to the internet so that he could return again one day?
Literally using the mind Stone
> Remember how they had Vision magically remove his best ability being able to escape to the internet so that he could return again one day?
Jesus Christ, you haven't seen the movie, haven't ? At the point of the ship, he still wasn't trying to flee and was focused on crashing the city. Him trying to flee happened after, when he saw he couldn't win.
>Remember "for the love of God?" Remember how Ultron Prime was taken down by a blast from the heroes and Wanda literally ripped out his heart?
Yeah, that was good.

Holly shit, you aren't even mad for a single valid reason.
That was funny, no valid reason to get upset over it.

>avengers operating at some kind of peak
So many people miss this aspect and similar analysis of these movies, there's actually a good curve to what we're seeing.

Oh what could have been
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>Remember how they wanted to kill all the Ultrons so he couldn't escape? Remember how he actually got in a ship and could've escaped but instead flew over the floating city to shoot at everyone and managed to kill Quicksilver?
Case in point, you can see the Ultrons are still trying to crash the city when Quislver die. You get the whole timeline wrong:
youtube.com/watch?v=ORCKfVZ6ekw

and here is Ultron actually killing the sceintist once he doesn't need his help anymore
youtube.com/watch?v=U2LAD2nyLeU

This still gives me goosebumps.

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>Make your friends rich, make your enemies rich and wait to find out which is which

I guess what we got was quite good too.

hey wait a minute... you're right

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Aha ha ha ha ha, based fleshbags BTFOing "superior" forms of life

Fun fact : Knights sitting at the round table are also not equally close to the king.

Whedon has written some really good stuff, user. AoU was just not really allowed to be what it should have been.

Do you think Wanda the robofucker creamed herself when she first saw Ultron?

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Are you serious? It absolutely felt like Whedon dialogue, it's in the same vein as the interactions in Avengers 1 too. You just have a hateboner for him so hard that you can't imagine him writing a scene you like.

Ike, presumably.

>Yeah I don't remember Loki having dialogue in Avengers 1 as good as Ultrons
I liked his interaction with his brother.

>bitching about the farm scene
>the best scene in the movie
>still

Spider-Man seemed more like a week at least.

My issue is that, but overall it just felt like they sat on their ass for a few weeks and waited for something to happen.

It was used well to show that they had established comraderie and familiarity in between movies. It's a dumb line in and of itself but in context it's useful.

Thanos' plan is dumb, we all know that, and I fully expect Endgame to show that his plan was unsuccesful and that he lied to Gamora about the culling saving her planet.

>it just felt like they sat on their ass for a few weeks and waited for something to happen.
It's barely 24 hours. They just needed a place outside of all communication channels to gather and figure out what Ultron was up to.

Honestly, the movie needed a place to breath in the middle and the farm scene did that perfectly. Transfoemeers Age of extinction didn't had that and this is one of the reason this movie is so painful to watch.

A few weeks? What makes you think that when the entire movie apparently spans over less than a week?

Ultron is barely 4 days old, but they spent weeks in the farm? Damn, didn't know they had the Time Stone all along.

They didn't. they just will get their hand on it in End Game and then use to to give themselves extra week back in the past when they were at the farm. Controlling time is useful that way.

Was that the point of the round table, though?

Yes, everyone equal. The round table was set in opposition of the rectangle Table where the King would sit at the head of it.

Based. They'll use the Stones to fix the timeline plotholes in the MCU, such as the extra years added to Spider-Man Homecoming's chronology.

>such as the extra years added to Spider-Man Homecoming's chronology.
That's just Sony fucking shit up.

The drones would target to control civilians, not always just attacking the heroes.

I hope they relise an official timeline with actual year after endgame. and not just something done by an intern who wasn't given enough time and don't really care.

Bu his high number is exactly what allowed him to rval with the Avengers.And it alos made him look like a deseas that couldn't be stopped.

>one of the bad Transformers sequels
That's a tautology if I ever saw one

Those last 3 points are not "lasting impact" and could easily have happened off screen

Someday I'll sit down and have a crack at it. It can't be this difficult... I just think some of the post-credits scenes screw with the timeline, but if you keep in mind that Ant-Man & The Wasp takes place a couple years after Civil War (Scott's house arrest), then the first and second post-credits scenes take place right at the end of Infinity War and you have half your issues with the timeline fixed.
Oh and ignore every mention of years in Homecoming for the time being.

For that, the King would literally have to sit on the middle of the table.

A character making a mistake is not a plot hole

At that point that's just a 4th trimester abortion

>but if you keep in mind that Ant-Man & The Wasp takes place a couple years after Civil War (Scott's house arrest)
Just 1 year, I think.

yea but I thought the point of it was to set even Arthur as an equal to the other knights rather than have him have a "special" head seat

Just watched the scene with Jim Woo, it was 2 years in fact. Civil War took place in 2016, Ant-Man & The Wasp happened in 2018, making it indeed 2 years and around the same time as Infinity War.

(In case you want to check for yourself: ~8m15s)

they wont cus nobody really cares
they are free to retcon everything then want to

how many people died in avengers1 invasion? 40?

>how many people died in avengers1 invasion? 40?
74 in the attack of New York. More if you count Loki's attack on the evening.

Let's say the Avengers did a good job at saving lives in their first movie.

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I like Hela too but that's mostly because I enjoy female villains. That being Ultron was far superior.

Spider-Man was at least a few weeks.
The academic thing in DC was in September, and Homecoming is usually in October, right?

I like Ultron a lot but he's definitely not a more effective villain than Hela. Hela actually got shit done and was a legit threat, Ultron barely did anything of note in his own movie. If he was used correctly he could have been one of the best MCU villains.

>Ultron barely did anything of note in his own movie.
His plan was basically close to success, so I disagree. the only notch was getting the Vision stolen, but otherwise everything worked out his way till the end, where the impact was prevented at the last minute.

>all in-character
>ww2 soldier vet not cursing all the time
kek

>>ww2 soldier vet not cursing all the time
That's Cap for you. Have you watched the first Captain America ?

Does this mean robots don't believe things? How is that physically possible?

I'm not sure what Ultron believed. He made references to Noah, God and more, a lot of religious talk for a machine

i think he was more philosophical than anything.

He had consumed all of wikipedia. Of course he made references.
He was probably a sex-pert on par with your average Channer, too.

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this but the point wasn't being close to the king, it was the fact that a round table had no 'head'. Meaning that no-one is obviously a superior that must lead the conversation

I disagree, breather scenes waste time. No one wants to take a vacation from the plot mid movie and if you do, you probably weren't very invested to start with

Yeah, fuck character interactions amirite, it's all about the plot, movies are like puzzle games!

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i didn’t mind “language” the first time. i minded how they brought it up over and over. it wasn’t funny after the second time