So after each relevant to this board death battle...

So after each relevant to this board death battle, I think i'd be fun to go through the video and see where they got stuff wrong or just had dumb shit happen, the big moment for me was when Carol used the lighting to change Billy into a kid, did they get anything else dumb or wrong?

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>did they get anything else dumb or wrong?
Yes, Carol is far stronger than Billy and would have won easily.

She couldn’t even beat Android 18

t. Carol

It's okay to be wrong user,
Carol isn't close to the same level, the only reason this match up happened is cause they're both named Captain Marvel at some point

I assumed it had something to do with her absorbing the lightning and using it against him. Although it still doesn't quite make sense. But whatever, it was a joke.

Carol should've been obliterated much quicker. The lightning was stupid, but at least it got her some advantage for a milisecond. Until Billy turned Shazam again two seconds later.

You're right, she's stronger, faster, and just in general more awesome.

Woman who lost to a B-tier DBZ character vs. Guy who can match Superman blow for blow.

On a scale of 1 to retarded, where are you for genuinely believing Carol had a shot

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>comics where made for teenage boys
Then why are you still reading them into adulthood?

marvel vs. dc shit flinging was around before your egg got spunk on it and will be around long after you have a heart attack while spanking it to trap porn

>cancer has been a thing forever so it's good
Alright, buddy.

Im 19 nigga, im still the demographic

>a natural aspect of fanboy shit is "cancer" now
Go start another shipping topic for Voltron or whatever you zoomers watch

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I guess Zachary is sad now.

Last few fights had Namor getting eaten by a pack of mutant fish and Widowmaker being strangled and decapitated. This one was too family-friendly
>user both their movies are for children
Didn't stop them before

Yeah, Danvers just got atomized. Lame.

It'll be parroted as evidence for years to come.

Will watch video, happy that Billy fucked Carol... she was askin for it

The animation is drawn out on purpose for entertainment and not indicative of exactly how the hypothetical fight would go down, retards. Just listen to the explanation to find out how badly one character outclasses another.

>But whatever, it was a joke.
Exactly. If someone only gives a shit about who should win, the animation should be what they pay the LEAST attention to.

how can anyone take the opinion of these people as factual?
these people made black panther figth and defeat batman during black history month and once made a death battle about a character from a upcoming movie who they were sponsored by and surprise surprise the character they were sponsored by won

Death Battle pulls obvious bullshit sometimes, but Batman shouldn't be able to beat Black Panther under normal circumstances. They often throw characters that are well known an obvious gimme match-up if they can find some flimsy link between them, but there are only a handful of cases I can think of that were flat out fucking wrong. Take the good with the bad and don't strain yourself wanking your agendas.

Stay salty, bitches.

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Just watch the android 16 video if you want carnage.

Meant android 18 vs Carol video.

I would enjoy this victory, but it leaves a sour taste in my mouth because it's Death Battle. They forever ruined any actual Battler credibility they might have had with how they tend to treat certain franchises. They will, at times, throw out feats and common sense in favor of... I don't even know. The best example is a weird hate boner for Tifa Lockheart.

>youtu.be/5IOf8F6ChKs?t=728
>youtu.be/PhThhvi-b3Y?t=84

Either one of them is into guro or they were Aerithfags growing up. I'll say Yang might be able to pull a win against AC materia-less Tifa, but Chun Li should be beaten to chunky salsa. And it's not just Tifa they seem to make odd choices of victor for, either, considering they claim impartiality and to look closely at feats. Most likely whatever is popular amongst theirt Patreons gets a big boost. I can enjoy a good crossover battle, and I spend more time than I should admit on spacebattles vs section, but the second you stop looking at the feats and base ability of the fighter it becomes pointless fanboy REEEEEing.

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>Tifa's loss to Yang unfortunately created considerable controversy with many claiming that the battle had been rigged due to DEATH BATTLE merging with RoosterTeeth. Ben Singer stated that battle served to promote the third volume of Rwby but added that it did not effect who won. RoosterTeeth also stated that they did not care about the victor. This sadly did not end the negativity and the battle is not fondly remembered by many in the fandom.
Guess that explains the Yang fight. And DBX is just DBX.

>pic
I'm 90% positive that Billy can lift Mjölnir.

Eh, Tifa vs Yang was so long away ago and they’ve received SO much backlash over that and Goku I feel confident about trusting the recent seasons simply because I think DB has learned the hard way the safe bet is, regardless of how retarded the actual fight is, to back up everything they put on video with facts and feats.

The shitstomp that was Darkseid vs Thanos did a lot to restore my faith

Never had a problem with that matchup pandering or not, I have literally nothing to complain about a pure stats/standard loadout brawl where one of the fighters has mystic powers and comic metal as his and one doesn’t, which is what DB’s advertised as without any prep time wank

>establish that Carol is like 10x the speed of light
>establish that Billy is like 13,000,000,000,000,000,000x the speed of light
>"uhhh it was a close match guys but Billy had the slight edge"
????????

They must have felt bad for Carol

I mean if Jane can during her self destructive escapist shiftfit Billy’s easily overqualified. The shortage of people who can lift Mjolnir says nothing about it’s high standards, and everything about how the baseline morality for Marvel denizens is akin to the bad parts of Detroit

At least Billy won. I'm still autistically mad about them making Sephiroth beat Vergil because Sephiroth has beaten opponents faster than himself before. Apparently being 1.5x faster and 1500x faster are the same thing. I get that they wanted to throw FFVII fans a bone after fucking over Cloud and Tifa so badly but at least make Sephiroth go Safer form or something.

Are you retarded? Billy has the power of Gods and goes up against Sivana,a mad scientist who can escape prison by reciting a math equation to phase thru the walls.

In the grand scheme of things Carol is just on par with Captain Nazi. Even Mr. Mind can beat her.

That or hear me out-they just wanted to animate a fight? Seriously look at DC’s winning streak. They had the page of Thunderworld!Billy helping Superman lift the infinite book, and they’ve been known to merge pre and post crisis fears. And then ask yourself if whether DB’s fanbase on either character’s side would be happy with Billy fingerflicking Carol into non existence.

I honestly think the contrivances were just for the sake of having an actual battle and showcasing Binary to be actually entertaining.

The more powerful character wins these
There i just saved you hundreds of videos of watching deathbattle

It doesn't take the Wisdom of Solomon to know that Carol is severely outmatched on feat alone.

user.
user, he’s been baiting the whole thread and Yea Forums has been biting over and over again for some reason

Did you all forget that in DB, Rogue defeated Wonder Woman?

I know they did it because they have the same name, but how is that fight fair, Billy is close to Superman in power is Venom vs Bane fight all over again

They basically had to. It would look like a bias against Final Fantasy as a franchise. Cloud versus Link is closer than Tifa and fucking Chun Li, and even Yang, but all of those battles were in favor of the FF characters featwise. They fight godzilla sized monsters, the kind of enemies Link would have as boss fights casually on the way to fighting gods, summon literal gods to decimate alternate realities, and Link is the closest thing to them any have been put up against so far. Hilariously I would say Virgil is probably the easiest to explain taking the win without seeming biased, but instead *that* was the fight they gave the FF character win?

Whoever sits down and researches this stuff, and writes the battles, were Nintendo babbies who watched DBZ on Toonami and read western comics.

Real talk I’ve always been bothered by why the Olympians aren’t nearly the big players in DC’s cosmic scene that the Asgardians are in Marvel. Unless there’s some Exalted shit going on where the champion is explicitly greater than the sum of his parts in theory the Olympians are basically Superman level busted. Hell, didn’t Morrison’s Wonder Woman run imply they have the same “platonic ideas manifesting in physical avatars” thing going on with that one war machine being implied to be Ares’?

Super-powered DC characters are OP, how is this even a question. Rip Carolfags.

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This is worse than Venom vs Bane by an order of magnitude. This is like if they ran CIA vs Deathstroke because Nolan decided CIA’s middle name was “Slade” in the promo materials

It’s well known that Ben is into ryona.

Isn't it because the New Gods would shit on them if they tried to muscle in as big players, with even bigger figures stepping in too? 'Their time has ended' whatever that means.

Rereading Doom Patrol I noticed their final adventure revolved around some literal who rabbi fuck rezzing the founder of Kabbalah and RECREATING THE SEPHIROT with about as much effort as a Jewish mother preparing a bar mitzvah once he’d found all the vessels. Now that Vertigo is canon again in DC it is once again canon the JL is one trip to the supermarket away from harnessing the power of God and only plot solved this from happening over and over again.

Hell in one of the Sandman spinoffs nobody read the forgotten cat goddess Bast almost pulled off the cat dream shit Dream of the Endless foretold.

The Olympians occasionally go into exile due to Darkseid and several conflicts with other gods.

I’m sorry, I just can’t take that statement seriously even with the >muh avatars explanation when the Thunderworld crew not only repelled the Gentry manifestation from their world, but punted HELLMACHINE into an imp’s maw when the Gentry gang curbstomped Nix Uotan

Wonder Woman once talked down to them pre-Crisis. They attempted to smite her out of existence for the transgression, amongst a few other things.

They did some shit here and there, but they were mostly apathetic so long as something didn't concern them.

That sounds rad as fuck

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They seldom take measures in order to even try to get the initiative on him when the JL has a couple times, is my real problem. I know Zeus, Herc and a few others were eaten and regurgitated as ghosts by Nu52!seid in WW’s most recent arc but the rest of the Olympians are confusingly missing presumed fled after Hecate turned out to be a fuckoff primordial magic cosmic entity and ravaged Olympus. Except Aphrodite, who’s just kind of chilling with Wondy.

Fuck, the JLD arc is uncannily similar to Avengers: No Road Home actually. Except the current JLD were somehow even more screwed against Hecate than the Avengers were against Nyx

Apparently it’s been complained about for being a rushed end? I see where they’re coming from because of how little it has to do with the storylines before it, even Decreator, and how out of the blue it is jumping from absurdity to Literally The Kabbalah Is A Valid Point Of Contact With The Presence. But as a Doom Patrol newbie I thought it was neat as a standalone comic like Mignola’s older stuff

>realizes Shazam is just a kid
>still wants to murder him

jesus Carol

It's in character.

That how she is in the comics

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>gave birth to her own rapist

what

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It’s just that DB bloodlust being enforced, although yes it is convenient Carol takes any excuse to beat up civvies in little rooms

If we take into account that Shazam's power wasn't weakened when he shared it with his family, is the Shazam family one of the most powerful teams in the DCU?

speedforce

Actually why other Earth gods so isolationist too? I know because plot, but what’s the story reason? Shouldn’t Darkseid take the Trimurti’s existence as a personal insult, and wasn’t the new Aquaman villain some ancient Babylonian dragon goddess after it was revealed all ocean gods have some kind of mystic connection based on a terrible fuckup by Poseidon?

Whats a good reason to watch deathbattle if i hate them?

He said "one of", so
Yes. The Marvel family is up there.

Literally yes.
There’s a reason until recently, they tried to either drag down the Marvel family with grimderp or relegated them to Thunderworld where they win so hard the Gentry literally got beat the shit out of and chased back to one of their true selves

Even Dream of the Endless treads wary around Hecate. It's no surprise how fucked the JLD was against her.

Funnily enough, the Post-Crisis Marvels *were* weakened when he shared his powers. When one was active, you had them at Superman's level. When two were active, they were half as strong. And when all three were active, their power was cut into thirds.

That said, they got powerups whenever the Wizard managed to spare a bit more power for them.

Gonna drop some ancient Buddhist wisdom on you: It’s stupid to watch and obsess over things you hate

That makes a lot of sense, and sort of seemed to be what they did in the movie but not actually.

The Flash family on paper is bar none the strongest group outside of the metaphysical reality warping types but in practice they're probably not even in the Top 5. Comics don't acknowledge the difference between going the speed of light and the speedforce's capability of going a billion times the speed of light so the distinction is never really shown.

It's like how Dragon Ball characters go from being able to blow up planets to being able to blow up universes. On paper, the difference is staggeringly huge on the level of not even being comparable, but in the context of the story, you never actually see much of a difference outside of a couple throwaway lines. Like in the new Broly movie, Gogeta and Broly are on the level of universe-destroying gods and Broly has the distinction of being a rage monster unable to control himself, yet they have a battle to the death on Earth and the collateral damage is limited to mountains blowing up and tectonic plates cracking.

Huh, I don’t actually remember them meeting. Unless you mean the mother maiden crone thing which I thought was technically a broader entity than Hecate personally

Yeah. Basically, Oordway's setup for them was that Shazam had this power for them, and Billy and Mary drew from that well of power. And Freddy drew his power from Billy and Mary.

Most of them are busy dealing with important cosmic shit (like beating away terrible horrible things trying to munch the planet), others are apathetic, some are dead (except not really), others prefer wandering around in mortal form and subtly nudging us in a specific direction, and so on.

And in the case of some others, they got fucked over hard and now loathe us forever, like what happened with those star seagods and Poseidon.

It’s kind of acknowledged in Ross’ comics and Morrison’s at least. In one it’s part of the plot the Flash is incapacitated into basically being a force of nature before he can help people again, in another Wally, Barry and Garrick are instrumental in tipping Darkseid over into death and a bunch of Flashes pull off infinite mass punches on NIX FUCKING UOTAN AMPED BY THE GENTRY which somehow unfucks his corruption and makes the evil Nix deflate like a balloon the good one can crawl out of.

Because, I guess the same reason why Flash kisses can nullify the ALE

The Furies/Three-In-One are essentially Hecate in all but name, up to being referred with some of the exact same titles.

They've also had variations in characterization all over the place (sometimes by the same writers), so their appearance in JLD as a vengeful and wrathful primordial force made manifest fits in with their usual flux.

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The fact that Marvel and DC writes characters that goes beyond the speed of light, requiring more energy than the universe contains, just demonstrates how incompetent they are, how they have no sense of scale or comprehension of physics, and the implications of what happens when characters move faster than light.

Thanos would stomp Darkseid.
Darkseid is way more powerful, but he puts faith in fucking retards and gets chumped constantly due to his own terrible choices.
Thanos gets ultimatw power in his hand before faltering. He's infinitely more competent than 'seid.

I mean, at least Flash is able to say "lol its magic" unlike Superman being able to do similar things because his cells can absorb solar radiation. I don't have a problem with bad physics in comics because they're just comics, but I do have a problem with everyone and their mothers being able to move faster than the speed of light now because of power creep, yet Batman can still keep up with them somewhat.

>DC
>giving a fuck about any of that shit
One of their earliest stories had Superman literally flying into another universe's solar system just to sneeze. A sneeze so powerful that bibles away that entire solar system too.

It's best to not read too much into those things - basically if you see "speed of sound" think "fast" and if you see "speed of light" think "very fast". Anything below that may as well be an arthritic grandma by comicbook speedster standards. The only reason lightspeed is brought up is because it allows for any physics-breaking shit the writers want if they're in a pinch, and because it sounds cool than saying "Mach 10" or something like that

>Thanos would stomp Darkseid.

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Really it’s weird that Herc and Zeus’ death in Wondy’s run hasn’t seemed to have had any effect on Billy’s powers over in his new run that’s retelling his early days/pretty much retconning his past

They might be taking the approach that he's got their attributes and they don't actually need to be around to lend him their power.

After all, Solomon's long dead.

Most gods (especially greater ones) in DC are closer to sentient conceptual symbology than they are proper beings. Killing certain aspects of them that get filtered down into reality as 'people' from our perspective, doesn't really impact them.

Yeah too bad not it's Death Longplan strategic war where your minions and plans are at all relevant.

I just hate the fact that so many characters have the ability to go FTL. It should be limited to only a few select characters, and only, then there should be limits of how they could use it and how often, especially if their characters that are featured frequently as the MCs of their franchise.

It always bothered me how FTL characters are always surprised by attacks from others that are nowhere near their speed, or how the hell they're not bored of their mind talking to people who aren't up to their speed. Seriously, moving FTL would mean they're processing everything in slow motion compared to those who can't.

>he puts faith
Darkseid has no faith in the failures that he is forced to call sons.

Honestly if they lost the wisdom when Solomon died and nobody bothered checking that would explain a lot of things

>or how the hell they're not bored of their mind talking to people who aren't up to their speed
Dangerous thinking, user. This is how you get Quicksilver

They are comic books. Not hard scify. Grow up.

>Thanos would stomp Darkseid.

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user I just kind of gave up after DC made it canon that Superman is somehow such an integral lynchpin of the cosmos despite officially being just an orphan kryptonian even his shitty evil doppleganger is a component of DC’s Demonbane

WHEN’S SUPERGIRL AND POWERGIRL GONNA GET THEIR GIANT ROBUTTS HUH MORRISON

>DC's Demonbane
Kinda underselling the Thought Robot there.

Carol was gypped, but I knew they'd go with Shazam before the start anyways. They always let the less popular character win to drum up controversy replies.
>Carol can react to events before they happen
>but Shazam is faster so he wins
Wrong. She could move at normal human speed and would still defend against Shazam if she can predict attacks. This isnt how this should work, speed is irrelevant if you always react with a buffer to counter speed differences.
>Carol can forcibly turn Shazam back into Billy
>the fight doesnt immediately end right there
Its instant K.O. say shazam and punch the normal human child once. Carol might be slower than Shazam, but she is still lightspeed. She can get one punch in before he says a word. This alone should have sealed the entire fight for her.

>Anything more complex than Norman Osborn cucking Peter is bad for me!
Dumbass.

Well look at it this way: Fine, you think Darkseid is a fuckup? Well at his absolute lowest. A dead god walking, fallen from the 4th World into a boss nigger’s body then Dan Turpin’s, continuously oxidising them in the combustion of time, callously used as the tool of Mandrakk to feed, and so utterly reliant on his idiot sycophants he literally needed Desaad to put on his crown to save his life because he still couldn’t moev Dan’s body under his own power at the time-

-he still accomplished something which Thanos needed all his wits and numerous external factors to. Like jesus, that recent shit where Starlin wanks Thanos assimilating cosmic abstracts can destabilise the multiverse enough to make TOAA worried yet impotent? Darkseid’s dying struggles did that BUT WITH ACTUAL VISIBLE CONSEQUENCES to THE ENTIRE MONITOR RACE save Nix and Mandrakk himself. I’m not even going to argue if the Monitors are dwarfed by to TOAA or not, just pointing out ‘seid brought an apocalypse to a plane of existence outside of the normal planes of existence by sheer force of existence.

The real wank of Final Crisis isn’t about what Darkseid IS. It’s about how as a mere side effert of that, aspects of God like the Spectre and the Radiant had to be bailed out by Renee fucking Montoya because as a SIDE EFFECT of Darkseid’s approach Vandal Savage-as-Cain got his hands on the Spear of Destiny.

damn........

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Oh not to mention their wrong science on display yet again. Superman can PERCIEVE events down to the femtosecond, that doesn't mean he can react or move that fast. They also calculate the black holes event horizon as the mass of the entire black hole, which is totally incorrect. They even say how much mass a black hole like that would need to exist, but we know exactly how much mass is available to work with, one alien and a first worth, and it isnt that much mass. They should have calculated energy needed to create a black hole, but went with mass instead and swung the numbers wildly away.

This is some A-grade Spacebattles tier retardation right here.

The Thought Robot is the most overhyped thing since Golden Superman.

Nice counter argument.

>Thought Robot is at the very boundary of what separates comics from our reality and has the ability to harness the meta nature of comics as a medium
>gets hurt by a blast containing the power of 52 universes
>meanwhile Lucifer farts up an infinite number of universes
I still can't tell if Morrison is a genius or a retard

After seeing what Fate Solomon can do I wish DC Solomon got more screentime

The comics keep forgetting that, though. Case in point that brief time in Darkseid War where the JL (and Luthor, and Grail) randomly turned into gods, lost their powers and won anyway like the end of the Tournament of Power

Superboy Prime could beat both so I have no idea why there's any debate

DC Solomon is just the Biblical Solomon. Read the Bible, heathen.

>he doesn’t want giant sexy cosmic robots
Low test detected

>The comics keep forgetting that, though. Case in point that brief time in Darkseid War where the JL (and Luthor, and Grail) randomly turned into gods, lost their powers and won anyway like the end of the Tournament of Power
There's a vast difference in the level of power between gods in DC. Not all gods are made equal. You can have the spirits of stars or galaxies roaming about, whilst also having shit like the Entities powering the Lantern batteries beyond even those. And then shit like the Kingdoms or New Gods going even further beyond.

Eh, I mean isn’t Nix Uotan filling that niche to an extent too with his “hey guys here’s all the Supermen! You’re welcome! Also I can touch the end of time and edge of space if you guys need anything from there” powers? That’s alright though, just means DC has two Demonbanes

Carol wouldn’t last a day in the Doom Patrol! Literally, they had to resolve Retconn appeasing the Eonymous by selling comics after a forgotten superhero killed the god of superheroes in their new run. In what I’m pretty sure was one subjective day.

The Monitors, like Nix, are below the Thought-Robot in the powerscale. Nix is just a more active layer of defense for the DCU in case of Evil Forces trying to invade.

>Song of Solomon
>literally just “tiddies, I love tiddies”
>Billy has no harem of 1000 women nor queens coming to tell him riddles

Checkmate King Jamesfags

>Kamala who isn't made to be sexual
Oh boy, did they fail!

That's a very major failure at understanding what the Thought-Robot is right there. It's the very idea of heroes always winning. The kind of power that might knock the wind out of its sails is already power enough to put even Lucy down.

I'm not even him and I'm just annoyed by how low your reading comprehension is. People here really are just fuckin stupid huh.

Yeah and Solomon was kind of a retard. Why the fuck would you start worshiping other gods because of your harem when the big G himself is literally in contact with you and constantly telling you to stop that shit?

And the most famous example of his wisdom only worked because the fake mother was a blithering retarded cunt who thought saying "yeah, cut my baby in half, whatever" was a good move

if that was the case, Gaara should have won that.

Toph only had only one way to win and they went with that.

Honestly Monitor powerscaling is confusing as fuck all. They call the multiverse bacteria and the Authority’s Carrier is their nanotech but that lady had to sup Bleed from Overman during Superman Beyond and it apparently meaningfully recharged her. Their entire race went extinct because of Darkseid’s cosmic belly flop, but it was all a keikaku by Mandrakk to fill HIS belly so who knows how he tanked the crisis. Mandrakk himself bitches every other Monitor because he has a full stomach which kind of makes sense, but out of nowhere his son Nix solos him by Superman summoning spam, and there is NO on-meta explanation for why he dwarfs every other Monitor unless I missed something and Metron, who revived him by twisting the cube as well as set the Miracle Machine’s invention in motion, knows the Life Equation as well as Mr. miracle and it buffed him. Nix then is made the Gentry’s prison bitch although I guess he was using superheroes as his weapon or whatever.

And THEN there’s The Unexpected, a comic I wouldn’t blame anyone here for never having read, in which a traumatised asshole who stared into the World Forge and got destruction powers from it was fighting Nix on even terms for a while. And at the end of the comic Mandrakk GETS REALITY WARPED INTO A DARK MULTIVERSE PREDATOR by a fucking starving artist who stared into the World Forge and got the fires of creation from it. Before this some him, some woman with a weird engine implanted in her, destruction guy and HAWKMAN were fighting a losing battle /that went on for more than 20 pages/. Like apparently he was weakened because of Thoughtbot but isn’t Mandrakk also the being who was split into Overmonitor and Anti-Monitor on entering the Orrery proper? Which ITSELF makes him sound like a glass cannon.

Oh and now retroactively the Overmonitor and Anti-Monitor have a mom called Perpetua that is allegedly the most feared creator being EVER. So yeah, fear Mandrakk’s mom I guess.

To be fair Lucifer ended his series by throwing away his Morningstar power, flying to the edge of existence under what he had left, arguing with his dad one last time and then flying off into the white void which I guess is now retroactively Monitor-Mind still under his own power with the narration speculating he either merges or imposes himself on it.

Considering Mandrakk left the Bot reeling and winded and even he was temporarily put down just from being tossed into the Overvoid, I can buy that Lucifer might have some sort of commensurate narrative clout himself. Like, nobody ever touches the Presence and his ab initio shit and Luci was his experiment at making something that could grow beyond his own design. Maybe the refined spirit of absolute free will is just enough to challenge the graphical manifeststion of metafiction.

The Overmonitor is the very blank canvas upon which all creative work is done. It's not really a proper being as we'd understand it. Perpetua, near as I can tell, is jsut an originating force for the World Forger, the Monitor, and the Antimonitor. Her relation to Mandrakk is unknown.

The real important question we should be asking here is what absolute Chad impregnated her and how disapponted he must be in the Anti-Monitor for being such a cosmic fuckup

They don't need to be powerscaled, they represent us as we see comic books.
They shouldn't interact with comic characters by nature but people keep dragging them in.
This isn't gonna turn into a hypercrisis thread, is it?

FTL in fiction is so fucking stupid.

The only capeshit characters who should be FTL are speedsters like the Flash. And there should be terrific consequences to going beyond lightspeed, like time-travel or the infinite mass punch.

130x the speed of light is the dumbest shit I've ever heard. The language doesn't have the words to explain how ludicrous that is.

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I mean...does that mean I can argue the Monitors are jobbers because I have a very pedantic and pessimistic approach to assesing narrative disillusion with regards to comic conflicts? Does that also mean my opinions of DC character porn and fapfiction has a tangible effect on the Monitors’ behavior?

Because if so, I guess because I’m joining Team Gentry. They’re the winning team, and they have all the femme fatales. I like femme fatales.

>fiction
>caring about real world physics
Kindly fuck off and die for being so retarded. You'd honestly benefit the world more.

The Monitors feed from, and are given definition from stories. So sure, you could think of them as jobbers. It doesn't impact their fundamental nature, but the perspective of them changes whilst they feed from that kind of detail given. Some don't have this issue, but they're exceptions.

>They’re the winning team, and they have all the femme fatales. I like femme fatales.
Dame Merciless will likely rape you into oblivion. Or worse.

Reminder thst based on Starlin’s new comics, the only thing preventing Carol from becoming a threat to TOAA is first getting stonewalled fom the afterlife by Death then flying around absorbing the cosmic anchor in her universe.

Reminder that TOAA is going to job or worse, be replaced

>it's fiction so turn your brain off XD

Yeah, you're an idiot. A character that can move 130x the speed of light is the product of exceptionally lazy writing. Tell me, how does a character who moves 130 times faster than the fucking universe ever have any problem stopping crime?

Ludicrously overpowered characters who are

Well, so long as all the porn and fapfiction means the fact they seed and feed on cum is confirmed canon that’s alright by me.

>Dame Merciless will rape you into oblivion
It’s not rape if it’s my fetish

If you're complaining about this, I'd dread how assblasted you'd get at something like the Xeelee, or Downstreamers, or even Nobilis.

>when the big G himself is literally in contact with you and constantly telling you to stop that shit?
Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't this when the Prophets passed on the will of the Lord, and there were only one or two around and they usually lived apart? Demons through history, and occult lore, have typically been pretty chatty too, and able to offer monkey paw style boons/discount miracles.

>And the most famous example of his wisdom only worked because the fake mother was a blithering retarded cunt who thought saying "yeah, cut my baby in half, whatever" was a good move
It was more about jealousy and bitterness; if she couldn't have the child, she at least could risk depriving the real mother.

Death battles ypu want to see?

>if you think FTL is a dumb feat then there's no way you could enjoy overpowered characters

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The Vishanti vs any 3 Lords of Chaos from DC. There, finally a close enough match without DIALS memes.

FTL has been a concept utilized in fiction long bef your father made the obviously grave mistake of sticking his sausage in your mother's dried out fleshwound, you dribbling mongoloid. People who've contributed more to this world than you ever have or will have utilized that shit for decades at this point.

Complaining about it just proves you to be an autistic retard who gets triggered at shit that anyone sane or reasonable doesn't give a damn about.

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>FTL has been used for a long time so that means it must be good!
>No one sane or reasonable would care about FTL feats except for the people who made this vidoes and thread of 48 unique posters discussing it

Again, you're an idiot.

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>FTL: a concept speculated and theorized by experienced scientists, writers and researchers long before this shithole ever came to be
>because one autist on a eukranian horse-fucking forum got upset about it one day, suddenly every usage of it in theoretical sciences, entertainment, and general media is somehow invalidated
Yea Forums grows ever more retarded by the day, I swear.

Clearly you do since you made this post

Wait, so Zor and the Tailors in Seven Soldiers were Monitors engaging in deep cosplay?

They said it was a close fight

That makes them retarded

Maybe, probably not. Monitors couldn't even interact with reality for the longest time, and specifically needed means to reduce themselves to a level that lower life could interact with the cosmic space-vampire fucks.

The Tailors are just your usual brand of DC weirdness.

You must be too used to people disagreeing. that can be interpreted as an emphasis or agreement. But keep stroking your own ego and assuming everyone is a retard.

it's like Sebas fight with mob boss from Overlord
>kill the guy with one kick
>everyone froze in shock
>"Oh... i was lucky, that was a close one."

>They said it was a close fight
lip service

>reads thread

Fuck that was a good read

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We need more nasty cockslut Monitor discussion in the Hypercrisis threads

this thread took a turn, and one for the better

My headcannon is that tailors are a divergent group of monitors. Instead of living above the multiverse they live within it and build it.

>FANTASY BAD

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>Every single thread before this insisted that Carol would win because of the MCU's popularity
>Just like all the threads that immediately assumed they'd have Thanos beat Darkseid
Why does Yea Forums never learn?

>Wario vs. Dedede next
What a boring fucking matchup, literally who's asking for that? Just boot up Smash bros.
Wario vs. Lobo would've been a lot better.

>What they got wrong and dumb shit.

Oh boy. Because there's a lot.

2:35: Not using a page from Death of Captain Marvel but instead a fucking cameo when they mention Mar-Vell.

6:18: No mention of Carol's alcoholism like in her last battle where they mocked her for it. Also no mention of her being reckless and cocky like last time.

Sounds like Disney dollars is all it takes for DB to suddenly respect a character.

6:42: Weird how they're adamant he's 15 when it varies by the version. Also, it's not the Rock of Eternity that he's spirited away to by the subway car. The Rock was separate from the underground area with the statues and throne, at least classically.

7:10: "The Rock of Eternity is no ordinary chunk of dirt floating around the cosmos." Idiot. The cosmos floats around the Rock of Eternity. And no mention that the wizard is named Shazam.

8:00: No mention of Fawcett outselling DC and how Fawcett only stopped fighting when they ran out of money.

8:39: "Marvel owned the name" No no no you idiots. That's not how it works. In several of the feats YOU USE he's called Captain Marvel in the story. Trademark is not the name.

9:54: They actually thought God of Gods Billy was "pretty much similar" to standard Billy. WTF? God of Gods beat up Yuga Khan and could manipulate the Source.

9:54: So they're using Fawcett feats.

Okay...so why don't they mention that Power of Zeus makes him totally immune to physical harm, that he pushed a galaxy, that he pushed a red giant, stuff like that?

10:51: Okay, they're using feats from Justice. They might as well just slap on Thunderworld Billy lifting the Book of Limbo and be done with this.

12:05 "Billy can't help being headstrong and immature." You mean COMPARED TO CAROL?

14:00: Using movie Billy's personality feels so wrong.

14:57: Carol being the cool one that rolls her eyes contrasts a LOT with how she was depicted in her last fight.

>if you always react with a buffer to counter speed differences.
I don't understand officer I saw the gun go off but couldn't dodge the bullet. I'm not sure why because I saw it coming.

If their slapstick is good it won't be boring. It might even be pretty good.

15:30: Lot of bullshit here. Carol going Binary off a Shazam bolt? Wisdom of Solomon not calling it? Her going "oh what was that, Shazam" and reverting Billy and being the stupid fucking casuals everyone said they would be?

Be ashamed DB, be ashamed.

15:50: Okay. Credit where credit is do. Carol seeing Billy turn into a kid and then for some reason chimp out and fly into a rage over it was very true to her character.

Jesus Christ. Who sees their opponent transform into a kid and decide that THEY MUST DIE NOW REEEEEEEE! Did Billy remind Carol that she's forever alone and undateable and the only man that showed interest in her was a fucking alien?

16:20: Lame. 18 embarrassed Carol, broke her limbs, and killed her by stepping on her. It's clear they wanted to be more respectful--it's also why Billy didn't say anything about being the true Captain Marvel.

What cucks!

16:35: "This fight pushed both fighters to their limit" NO IT FUCKING DID NOT

16:42: "Carol not dying to Phoenix and Aleph proves that she can match Billy's strength of Atlas (lol what?)"

How is "Oh god the Phoenix Force is so powerful its tearing me apart!" making Carol anything close to Billy's physical equal?

16:47 "She unfortunately fell a bit short in most other categories" Biggest understatement on the show.

>Muh Cosmic Awareness
1. It's a coinflip whether it works for her or not in any given situation. She can't consciously use it.

2. There's serious diminishing retards to being able to predict an attack and respond to it. If you know your little sister is about to punch yo, you can dodge it. If you know Mike Tyson is about to punch you, you get hit anyways.

>Muh reversion
Shouldn't have happened in the first place and the battle is just for show.

>Not knowing that the monitor sphere is beyond the sphere of the gods
>Not knowing that 52 was always just the local multiverse mapped by the monitors
>Implying he was using the power of just 52 universes

Reminder that a weakened Mandrakk literally went to heaven and killed everyone BTFO the Presence.

Get fucked Vertigo casual.

Eh, what comic was he in when he BTFO’d the presence?

>Doesn't mean he can react or move that fast
Justice Billy stopped Barry who was forced to run around the Earth until he died and Superman said he couldn't keep up. That's "forget about it" levels of speed.

>Black Hole
Jeff Smith Billy used Zeus+Hercules to create light out of a black hole and then survived being sucked into it. You're trying to apply math to a magical being that can literally survive being turned inside out because he's magical.

It was a another extension of the main story. Though, you could argue that *that* Mandrakk wasn't Dax Novu, but another corrupted Monitor acting as an exact duplicate of the original.

Last comic of Final Crisis. His micro-form walks up to Superman with Specter's corpse on one shoulder and the corpse of that counter-Specter woman representing God's mercy that everyone forgets about on the other and says he went to heaven and fucked up the host. Either Presence just NOPED out of there or got his/her ass stomped to.

Nix had to respawn the celestial host in the final battle where the host+ GLC+ Literally all the Supermen run a train on him.

And the Japanese Forever People were there to because why not?

This is the only relevant point. Real combat is heavily nuanced. It isnt like every fight is World Star where some nog chimp modes the enemy and/or gets a lucky shot. Even Tard Rage can fail if the opponent is well versed. Fights can be lost simply by having the sun in your eyes, tripping on a crack, throwing a taunt while lowering your guard. Real combat isnt just physical factors all the time. Which is why Death Battle is shit.

Do you honestly think you dodge a bullet if you knew one second ahead of time you were going to be shot?

Ive said it before Alucard vs Jackie Estacado. I know Alucard would curbstomp but damn it would be a fun fight to see.

>Wario vs. Lobo
I didnt know I wanted this until now

>Problem stopping crime
You probably don't notice this because you don't read comics but normal criminals tend to get their asses handed to them by FTL supers.

But you can still predict the likeliest outcome from known factors.

The Vishanti get wrecked all the fucking time. Meanwhile Kismet counts as 1 Lord of Order.

You actually picked a match that perfectly fits the DIALS meme.

Marvel vs DC fights that won't be total curbstomps.

Clayface vs Sandman

Black Manta vs Green Goblin

Red Hood vs Winter Soldier

DKR Batman vs Old Man Logan

Shining Knight vs Black Knight

Red Tornado vs Vision

Lobo/Etrigan vs Ghost Rider

Atom vs Hank Pym

Martian Manhunter vs Professor X

Hawkman vs Black Panther

Bullseye vs Deadshot

Green Lantern vs Silver Surfer

Catwoman vs Elektra

What does DIALS mean?

>Someone hasn't read JLA/Avengers
Go read it now.

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To give Marvel a bit of an edge:
Batgirl vs Black Widow (depending on whether it is Babs or Cassandra the outcome might be surprising)
Starfire vs Captain Marvel
Dr Fate vs Dr Strange
Hulk vs Solomon Grundy

They already did Fate vs Strange.

Starfire vs Gamora I think would be more thematic. And Carol already got two fights.

>Companywars thread turned into a Hypercrisis discussion
BASED

Fuck Carolfags and their wankery.

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What is Hypercrisis anyway?

Mjölnir doesn't know what it wants in life.

Except for him

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Grant Morrison's struggle to make everything cannon which started with Hypertime back in the 90's. It's been resisted by forces that want to make the multiverse nothing but an oblivion machine of endless tragedy and soap opera.

Thats not dumb. Carol absorbed the Shazam bolt and sent it back. It makes perfect sense.

Batman is nerfed in DB.
Batman wins by escaping the first encounter, preparing and then ambushing them with a plan.
He isnt allowed to escape or form a plan in DB.

You are a casual.

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when was this? Mutliversity?

>When the Thunderworld Marvels saved the multiverse by spearing a Gentry with a fake Rock of Eternity.

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Particle man vs triangle man

they were biased to gaara and didn't want the character they liked more lose horribly

t. guy who does't understand that someone with that big a speed advantage would have no trouble in this fight

>twitter.com/_irfantastic/status/1108498471051362304
>The Death Battle curse lives on!

There's a curse now??

Avengers 200 it's... One of those stories no one wants to claim responsibility for.

You say this like they've never considered psychological factors. Joker's fight with the ice cream clown guy, who's name I forgot, was won because Joker could play him. Link beat Cloud, because Link is smarter, also because his sword cuts directly into Cloud's power. RoboCop beat Terminator because he has free will and because he's nearly-indestructible on their scale. Carol loses to Billy, because Billy has the Wisdom of Solomon and Carol's an arrogant bitch.

Cassandra is literally the only Batgirl that stands a chance against Black Widow, because Black Widow is crazy strong and tough, what with being a super soldier and all. Cassandra is the only one of them that's near that level of physicality, I suspect she'll win, because her abilities are bullshit.

underrated

>ll. Cassandra is the only one of them that's near that level of physicality
Cass is peak human, she is above black widow who is enchanced in SOME expects.

Lel

Thanks mickey

I dunno that seems pretty accurate to her shit personality

Honestly they should just pull that video from their channel, no amount of explanations will ever make it not look really bad

>Thanos is competent
...c'mon man

>Routinely becomes omnipotent
>Gets his ass kicked anyway
He's about as competent as Dr. Doom.

>gets chumped constantly due to his own terrible choices
That describes both of them.

That's incredibly one sided.

That just puts him at 1-1 w/l ratio though.

What the fuck are you talking about, you stupid cunt?

...you know consideinrg how it’s a plot plint in Lucifer the Presence doesn't give a single wet shit about anything other than getting one of his sons to rebel and none of the writers seem willing to move on and accept Ellaine Belloc as our new Lady and Savior, i think there’s a legitimate argument to be made the Presence spent Final Crisis eating popcorn and having a sensible chuckle in the Overvoid at everything going on. The Silver City almost got busted by a ragtag army of degenerate Lilith-demon spawn and fucking Fenris the wolf when he withdrew himself from creation and it all started falling apart

Bullshit they do, examples? And before you say it I distinctly remember that one time Strange killed Agamotto has been retconned and was an isolated incident anyway.

And besides there was a very specific reason I said Lords of CHAOS. The issue isn’t even Kismet, it’s that Nabu and like 3 buddies are currently unleashing a force that can destroy the multiverse.

Also, ALSO on the offchance you’re actually right: Trigon vs Dormammu and Fate vs Shuma-Gorath

Trigon actually stepping into reality in full would be a game over scenario for the universe, and Nabu would bitchslap anything short of full power Shuma rather easily.

>It's been resisted by forces that want to make the multiverse nothing but an oblivion machine of endless tragedy and soap opera.
Dan Didio?

Underrated. no matter how huge the power gap, they will always try to make a fun fight for people to watch

He's one of the Gentry, but their champion has always been Bendis.

Narutokids still seething

In all honesty, Billy did outpace Carol in every category including speed, strength, and firepower. The one gap Carol could have exploited was Billy's lapse in judgement by saying his name. All she needed was a few second of Shazam depowerered and she could have won it by killing Billy.

Ironically, I think she's ruthless enough to do it

It was bullshit in the first place that she could revert him. It was also bullshit that Billy with the wisdom of Solomon would EVER try blasting Carol in the first place.

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They were far too nice to Carol. Billy should have told her that there's only one Captain Marvel and it isn't her before punching a hole in her chest.

Hmm. Considering that he likes to taunt all the demons at the rock of eternity with sowstunes, there is a tiny possibility that the prescience wasn’t there at the time.

This pisses me off still but it was also an early episode, before they put any real effort into this and before it was their main source of income

>Hulk vs Solomon Grundy
thats extremely one sided

>known to merge pre and post crisis feats
Never happened.

>the champion is explicitly greater than the sum of his parts
Well before they just made the Zeus power throwing lightning, I'm pretty sure it was billed as enhancing the powers of the other gods.