Holy fucking shit just call him Captain Thunder

I thought the "say my name" thing was supposed to settle it.
But nothing sounds as good as Mary Marvel, is there any reason she can't use that name while Billy uses something else?

DiDio may be the worst EiC, but he's miles better as a writer than Geoff "Make 'Em All Power Rangers" Johns.

>copyright issues

Are there actual copyright issues? I remember Johns saying "Everyone calls him Shazam!" and they were allowed to call him Captain Marvel but they couldn't call the comics that, that's why the DC comics have always been something like "Shazam! The Real Adventures of Captain Marvel"

Fuck off Didiot

The real problem seems to be Disney acquiring Marvel. That happened in 2009 and DC renamed Captain Marvel in 2011. The likely reason was because now that Disney held the cards, going up against them would be a headache should they ever want to argue about the matter, even if DC is technically in the clear.

In fact, addendum, the edict may not even have been their own but WB coming from on high and saying it needed to be done to protect their own interests, not so much DC's.

Captain thunder is kinda bad buf at least its better then shazam. I hate to say it but shazam sucks as a super hero name.

DC needs to just workshop a new name for him, hell, I'd personally suggest bastion or something

Didio was never EiC though...

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Captain Marvelous, I suppose.

They were allowed to call him Captain Marvel, but weren't allowed to brand him as such in marketing or merchandising. So, essentially, the books, movies and shows had to be called something besides Captain Marvel, but you could call him whatever you wanted inside. At one point, DC tried to brand Shazam books as being tales of the "Real Captain Marvel", but Marvel filed a Cease and Desist so they stopped. Geoff Johns came along and used the New 52 as an opportunity to just call him Shazam with the justification that everyone thought that was his name anyway.

>introduces himself as Shazam
>gets bolted back into Billy
Captain Thunder was the best compromise and Johns is an idiot.

The weird thing about that name, though, is he can't say it himself without accidentally transforming (the movie even uses that as a plot point).

If there were any reason he'd need a new name, it's that, mundane as it is. The guy can't introduce himself.

There was a thread about this a while back and I quite liked Citizen Marvel.

just name him sparky sparky boom boom and be done with it. Surely no other Yea Forums character could be using that name, right?

>Boom Boom
Well...

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Why doesn't Marvel just trade the rights to use Wonder Man for the right to captain marvel

everyone wins; they haven't done anything with Simon in like 20 or 30 years anyway so it's no foreskin off disney's dick

Morrison called him Captain Marvel the last time he wrote him.

>Why doesn't Marvel just trade the rights to use Wonder Man for the right to captain marvel
Because Marvel doesn't give a flying fuck about Wonder Man and Captain Marvel ain't going anywhere with a $1bn box office and her new position as Marvel's Wonder Woman.

What about "The Thunderer" or "Champion Marvel" or something. He's Shazam's champion, right? Kind of long, though. He was published in "Whiz" comics so that could be something.

Also sounds good to me.

Shazam is better anyway
You fucking morons, that’s not Johns call. No shit they changed it due to marketing reasons and the fact that they can’t put it on a fucking cover. Christ this board is retarded and will blame Geoff for every little thing

what about Shazamalamadingdong?

They should call him Captain Mar-Vel

>man with the greatest creative control has no creative control
Peddle your shit to a manure farmer, idiot. I ain't buying.

>The Thunderer
Thor

>Champion Marvel
Horrible

>Whiz
Pffft.

"The Whizzer" is already taken anyway, despite the horrible implications.

It's basically DC's fault he's no longer called Captain Marvel anyway. If they hadn't gotten jelly of the fact that he was more popular than Superman and filed a lawsuit back in the day where the resolution was that Fawcett was no longer allowed to make Captain Marvel comics, he wouldn't have entered the public domain and Marvel wouldn't have had the opportunity to snatch up the name.

just because something is horrible doesn't mean they won't use it

The Whizard
Captain Whiz
Whizzledizzle fo Shizzle

boom, three amazing names off the top of the head

Thor's name is Thor, not the Thunderer you fucking liar

You're just inviting more "Thundercrack" conversation.

Captain Shaz

>Then there was a problem. On the one hand, there was Captain Marvel, a black-haired all-American feller in a costume with a lot of bright red, who can punch through cars and stop robbers... and on the other hand, there was Superman, a black-haired all-American feller in a costume with a lot of bright red, who... well, you get the idea. Admittedly, this described a lot of superheroes back then (and even today!), but Marvel had the flaw of selling more than his inspiration. DC Comics brought the case to court, and Fawcett fought it out for a while (it didn't help that there was a Fawcett editorial memo directing the artist to make Captain Marvel look "more like Superman"). Eventually, though, the superheroes stopped selling so well, and Fawcett decided to throw in the towel; they closed down their comics division and moved on.' The final appearance of the character was 'Marvel Family'' #89 (January, 1954). The name "Marvel", however, would return to haunt DC Comics.

>A few years later, The Silver Age of Comic Books started up, and superheroes became popular again. Fawcett couldn't take advantage of this, because the settlement with DC had specified that they never publish a Captain Marvel comic again, but eventually, DC themselves expressed interest in the character. Fawcett licensed the whole shebang to DC (with the latter eventually buying the rights lock, stock and barrel), and after a couple of tryouts, they put out a new series in 1973. Unfortunately, they couldn't actually call the series "Captain Marvel", because Marvel Comics had snapped up the name in the meantime (and created their own character, and eventually a string of characters, by that name), so they titled it Shazam! and went ahead.

Basically it's all DC's fault

Sounds like a drag queen

>Captain Marvelous
You want them to go against Toei now?

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Red Cyclone is the best name

Easy:
Billy > Captain Lightning
Mary > Fleet Adm. Lightning
Freddy > Commander Lightning
Eugene > Lt. Lightning
Pedro > Lt. Comm Lightning
Darla > Ensign Lightning

EZ

I thought DC just bought Fawcett out period in order to acquire the Captain Marvel character, not just the rights to the name.

The only thing I really care about is keeping Marvel in the name but I doubt they'd do it.

Greatest creative control? Didio has the most pull over at DC, and I’m right about the name change not being made by just him. Quit being a dumb faggot and give Johns real shit, like not pre writing Doomsday Clock or getting a timely artist.

It is the sort of dumb shit a young teen would think of.

They did
>Fawcett licensed the whole shebang to DC (with the latter eventually buying the rights lock, stock and barrel),

iirc they cherry-picked a handful of Fawcett characters, mostly related to Shazam

That's still just saying DC bought the Captain Marvel character outright, not the company that created him.

I mean I'll totally admit I had the wrong idea, I just seem to remember Fawcett Comics coming under the ownership of DC at some point and I thought it was due to DC's interest in Captain Marvel.

They can use any title aside from Cpt. desu.
>Admiral Marvel
>Col. Marvel
>Emperor Marvel
>Maj. Marvel
>Lt. Marvel
>Gen. Marvel
>Sgt. Marvel
>CPO Marvel
>Doctor Marvel
>King Marvel
>Pvt. Marvel

>Superintendent Marvel

King Marvel sounds fucking baller desu

Major Marvel would work. It has that silly sound to it that kind of goes with the goofy red suit and LED lightning bolt.

Like there's nothing subtle about Shazam's outfit. It's bombastic and silly-looking and does so unashamedly. So I say steer into it.

Just call him Mr. Marvel. Imagine "Mr. Marvel vs the evil Mr. Mind"

General Marvel or Major Marvel sounds pretty great

I don't think they can use the word Marvel at all at this point. That might have worked had they called him that in the Silver Age but not now

I feel like that's what Johns is going to do later in his run, considering most of his new Shazam stuff is remixed from what he did in Flashpoint.

Remind me too much of Red Tornado. Cap's most notable characteristic is lightning anyways, not wind.

No, you shut the fuck up. He begged for the spot of writing Shazam! after railing out GL fans for a decade. He pleaded and cried at the mercy of DiDio to be given the title with full creative control.

You and every other "BUT DISNEY WON'T LET THEM" fear mongering retard should have choked on your own spit long ago. Multiversity didn't stop Grant Fucking Morrison from using Captain Marvel's name. So it's obvious it's all 100% Johns' decision, because the name has always clearly been on the table. His book, his choices. The evidence is all there.

Who turns his cape books into rainbow trash? Geoff Johns.

Who writes popcorn-munching horseshit and puts it to print? Geoff Johns.

Who's been playing the seniority card since 2011? Geoff Johns.

Blow it our your ass you stupid fucking moron -- Shazam! is the culmination of all his dumb ass creative choices all lumped up into an uninspired trash-heap of literature.

Well tawny, I made it, despite your directions

Big Red?
Red Marvel?
Thunderbolt Red?

>this but all the Marvel Family has a different rank
>Darla changes her callsign rank every issue when she gets bored of them

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>And you call him Shazam despite the fact that he is obviously Captain Marvel...

It's a Johns expression.

Well I've read Green Lantern and I've never heard of it.

Red Thunder desu

Oh no, no, no. Not Green Lantern. It's from New 52.

How the fuck does that work, numbnuts? Didio is and has been for a decade a co-publisher. Johns was Chief CREATIVE Officer and since running away to do movies that position has been filled by the other co-publisher, Jim Lee, anyway. You're as much of a hypocrite as your idol John's when you throw tantrums over people blaming him for shit that he actually did, all while making up scenarios in your mind where Didio is responsible for everything bad and he is the EiC, sole publisher and president in your head.

Ah I see

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None of those guys had the right to call him Captain Marvel. DC never had that right. That's why they made all those shows called Shazam!

He's Shazam, deal with it.

No, there's trademark issues. Copyright is a different thing.

The settlement DC had in 1973 was that they could call him Captain Marvel but not for marketing purposes - basically just so they could reprint the old Fawcett strips without having to re-letter it all. That's unlikely to change given that the Marvel in Marvel Comics from which Marvel Comics' Captain Marvel derives (though it's undoubtedly also a homage to a respected character who had at the time been out of print for 15 years as well) is from Marvel Mystery Comics, a title which was already on newsstands a couple of months before the first Whiz Comics hit print.

Just call him Soundhound imo, that way Mary can become Cockhound and settle this asshole's hash Kind of! National Comics (who later became DC Comics) put Fawcett out of the comics business in 1953, and rented the Fawcett back catalog in 1973 (bought it completely 5 years later).

Which is why Fawcett hadn't updated their trademarks and Marvel Comics is able to be called Marvel Comics and have a Captain Marvel.

>Johns is the only one that doesn’t. Blame him.
Curse of shazam was mandated by WARNER, Johns take on the character was literally a movie friendly product, no artistic integrity or originality went there. It's the same reason Johns intended to get rid of the gods and dumbed down the mythos and then didn't do shit with the character: it wasn't a comic, it was just a shameless movie pitch, Johns only cares about royalties.

Why not Thunder Wizard?

Except you're scum and proves half the the horse shit you've said is wrong.

Get help you obsessed edgelord. Johns isn’t some fucking boogeyman who touched you

You know, this Shazam seems remarkably similar to the Superman we have in Metropolis.

Wow, good response. I especially liked the part where you couldn't retort against anything I said.

Fuck off.

Can the whole family transform any time they want or no?

Yeah

So... isn't that a bit overpowered? They are all the same power-wise?

What the actual fuck Johns

You seem to be coping well. Get better soon

Call him Alakazam

So? There are at least three Supermen on the side of heroes at a given time. What's overpowered about it?

The concept is retard. The Super dudes won't work together all the time.

So what we have is Shazam powered Sentai team. Which is a dumb concept. Shit should have been temporary except Mary and Freddy. And even they should get an arc or explanation as to why they can use it. They were not chosen.

What's stoppind them from stopping all crimes on Earth? Homework?

Billy and Freddy spending all their time double teaming their hot sister and creaming inside her constantly without consequence

Shazam choose them

Captain Marvle

I'm sorry but spergsguy is right.

This is so fucking retarded and it's all on Johns. Making this a fucking family or whatever.

Should've just given a portion of it to Mary and Freddie and make it like the comics. As in, weaker than him.

They all have the same strenght (but they are all worse than Billy for some reason), That means they are 7 supermen fucking around. Fucking johns and his need for rainbows.]

How tha actual fuck is Black Adam, who is only one, or any villain a match for them?

DC needs to get dark and start killing the fuckers.

When I read the comics I could swear it was a temporary shit to defeat Black Adam, but nope.

God, I think I preferred Uncle Marvel than this

He has experience and doesn't have his powers split six ways imo

Don't they still split the power? As in, Billy solo is Adam level strong, Billy and Mary are each half as strong as Adam and so on?

they started calling him Shazam since Trials of Shazam and that was before both John's run and even Flashpoint

Selfishness and altruism. Can't let humanity depend entirely on them, can they? Ultimately it's on them to stop their own crime, or else they're leeches to superheroes.

>Shazam powered Sentai team

How can you write something like that and not find absolute joy in it!?

The whole point of the Shazam Family is that family is what you make it.

Hell, the Wizard even told Billy about the council and his own brothers and sisters.

THE FUCKING SINS TOLD SIVANA HIS TRUE POWER!

ACK! GGCK! I'm chokin' on my own rage here!

But don't you see, he hates it precisely because it all fits and makes sense, but it's not what he wanted. So in his view it's WRONG AND STUPID despite being entirely in character and fitting for someone like Billy.

Not really. Didn't you read the fucking comic?

Billy becomes the wizard "Marvel" and Freddy became "Shazam". Which was even more fucking stupid.

oh, great argument there

so why the fuck is there a need for any superheroes, idiot?

Still retarded. They are not magicians. They are all retarded capes that doesn't know to use their fucking powers.

But yes....I MISS WHITE COSTUME BILLY AS A WIZARD

Retards. Go choke on Johns dick

Would Marvel's Ms. Marvel-cum-Captain Marvel have actually been named Captain Marvel if it wasn't for Captain Marvel-cum-Shazam?

Like, if Marvel had free reign over any name and DC never had a Captain Marvel, would they have actually marketed Carol as Captain Marvel?

I know there was an original Marvel Captain Marvel, but Captain Marvel seems like a pretty crappy name for Carol even if you disregard other Marvel captain-named characters like Captain America.

They already are.

Nevermind it's dumb as fuck and we STILL don't know the limits to their powers, if any, how do they work, and nevermind the fact they are ALL mary sues now and nothing can possibly hurt/damage them in any goddamn way.

God, If i was a DC writer I would kill them all just to spite Johns.

YOUR SISTER IS DEAD FUCKER, STOP CREATING A FAKE FAMILY

Why are sperging about Carol? She's not the first Captain Marvel.

And you're probably right, that no. They wouldn't have named the character that.

I know, I didn't like it either but when Freddy took the mantle eveybody called him Shazam which is when they started dropping the name captain marvel outside covers.

He didn't appear on anything and that book was complete flop anyways so it's not like it counted.

I think so.
Fairly popular female hero they had the movie rights to and the man she's a spinoff of is less well known than she is.
That plus her power set made her a perfect candidate for "Marvel's Wonder Woman."

Just needed to change the name, costume, pretty much everything else about her character to make her more marketable as a movie star while killing her as a comic book character.

Why is everyone so mad about the one part in the movie that we were waiting to happen since the start of the Third half?

Why you so salty, man? Why?

I blame the execs who decided that a full company reboot in N52 was finally a chance to drop the Captain Marvel name.
I mean sure casual will call Link Zelda, but they just caved in and actually changed it.

he appeared in Cry for Justice, a fairly shitty event which is why probably no one remembers it. And they tried to make a miniseries with Billy and Mary going on a journey torecover they powers with Freddy's help but they only got 1 issue out before DC started cancelling books for the Flashpoint reboot.

Alright; you have shit taste, and fail to recognize that without Johns GL, Flash, and especially SHAZAM, wouldn’t have gotten the boost they desperately needed when their books were down. Don’t misunderstand me, he doesn’t shit gold. I just get fucking tired of you whining autists who act like Johns is the worst thing to happen to comics since Bendis

The Marvel characters were such a mess before the reboot that I almost welcomed it.

The last time any of them had been used well was 52.

Well, I guess Sivana still did fine when he occasionally popped up.

I’m begging to think Billyfags are the worst not muh fandom on this board. Be better guys

Has Barry or any of the other members of the Flash family called Shazam out for stealing their colours?

He is and you're an idiot. And I'm the biggest GLfag on this board.

same here, A lot of people forgot how bad things were before flashpoint, like witht the whole Black Mary debacle that ended in both her and Billy powerless, like the only compelling thing about that era was that Freddy as Shazam looked like Danzig.

Wow, nice argument pal. You sure you’re not getting tired over the tantrum you’ve been throwing all thread?

He's been mostly shit since at least New 52, which is now the better part of a decade.

You're one to talk, ignorant nigger. Still don't have an argument for I see.

Unh... Not shazam though.

Not shazam. Shazam is nowhere even near the levels of popularity of Flash or Green Lantern. He doesn't even have a fucking book.

Yes he does

Why not just give Cap. a rank up?

Major Marvel

Commander Marvel

General Marvel.

Hell, he's not even actually a ranking soldier. Citizen Marvel like Citizen Steel then.

he has a current ongoing, they are on issue 4 right now.

Yeah, faggots fail to acknowledge All Johns did in the N52 was wrap up his run on GL, leave the Flash completely, a mediocre run on Justice league that included a half-assed Shazam "origin". These faggots are living on the fucking past, do you have any fucking idea how long ago it was the glorious days of GL and JSA?

Yeah faggot, Shazam sure as hell is as popular the Flash or the Green Lantern in the comics. Great sales too.

Fucking retard.

We already had this post

Because Thunderworld was one story in a collection within Multiversity and the entire point was to pay homage to classic Billy material? It wasn’t trying to sell a solo, and the name change wasn’t solely Johns decision, you raging sperg.

Because of the fucking movie.

Are you that fucking blind or just that stupid?

the issue of his name is not the rank, is the word Marvel that brings the legal problems.

So you’re mad a Johns for wrapping up his GL story and leaving Flash when it was at the height of popularity instead of the trash it is now with Barry?

You really are a not muh retard with bias

No, he does have a book right now dumbass, read a comic for once zoomer

I'm not mad at anything you goddamn retard, you just want to suck Johns cock a lot and somehow that makes other people biased.

The irony here.

Winick really loved the Marvel Family and Freddy in particular (even put him on the Outsiders), though I never really took to his stuff.

just call him billy.

>"He doesn't even have a fucking book"
>but he actually has one
>"STFU your are stupid"
why are you getting angry at facts user?

FOR. THE. FUCKING. MOVIE.

Johnsfags are retardeds confirmed. Tell me why Shazam didn't have a solo book since his fucking origin over 5 years ago. Fucking imbecile.

>I’m not mad
>Continues to lash out at everyone in this thread who says anything good about Johns
Do I even need to say it?

You want the reason? You know that sorry-ass ho-house I used to run over on Seventh? On the top floor, way in the back,I got the nastiest crack ho in the city. No pride at all. Do anything to anybody. Rumor is animal control uses her blood to put down rabid dogs. That's your mama! I hid the reason in her snatch!

And? The timing of the book has nothing to do with its quality

Johns had dibs despite largely bailing on the comics for a while trying to become the Kevin Fiege of the DC movies.

Yeah, you REALLY are retarded.

If you can't see the connection between the book and the fact a MOVIE was coming out, then you have no right to have a conversation here. Your IQ is literally too low.

Where was that book in the last 6 years hmm?

Why the fuck are you even bringing Johns into this conversation about Shazam? You suck his cock so fucking much you can't take it out of your mouth. Retard.

>Prevents Billy from fading into obscurity and makes him more popular than he’s been in decades
>REEEEEEEEE FUCK JOHNS FOR CHANGING THE NAME!!!!!
This thread right now. I want to say it’s Tommy adapting to new bait

>Why the fuck are you even bringing Johns into this conversation about Shazam?
Are....are you serious? You really don’t see how that’s relevant? God you really are just baiting at this point

>Holy fucking shit just call him Captain Thunder

i think that's too generic. it sounds like one of those bargin bin toys

Because the issue with Marvel Comics is the name Marvel, which they had under trademark (as Captain Marvel) for 5 years before DC tried to resurrect the Fawcett character and for 15 years as Marvel Comics at that time; and which comes from Marvel Mystery Comics, which were printed by Timely (as Marvel was then known) several months before Fawcett's Whiz Comics and Captain Marvel hit the newsstands.

It's prior claim and Marvel have always maintained their trademark properly, unlike Fawcett who were forced out of comics publishing by National (later DC).

You can call him Captain Whatever, nobody's going to object on the basis of Captain. It's the combos and the Marvel that you've got to be careful of.

DC effectively never had a Captain Marvel.

As far as the Fawcett character goes, maybe, maybe not. There's clearly elements in the Marvel Comics version that call back to that earlier character, who was so far as anybody knew in 1968 never going to see print again, what with Fawcett Comics being defunct since 1953.

But there again would DC have bothered to get hold of the old Fawcett characters in 1972/3 if Marvel Comics had another name or their Captain Marvel wasn't suddenly becoming wildly popular? Probably not.

I reject that line of thinking.

I don't see increased popularity by compromising and altering a character to make them more marketable as a positive.

>If you can't see the connection between the book and the fact a MOVIE was coming out

because that is not relevant at all to the argument you originally made, you said there was no book but there is one.

That's an interior panel, not a cover page. It's not being used to market the character. At the point at which you'd be reading that, you already know what the character used to be called.

Incidentally, DC officially changed his inside-cover name to Shazam in 2009. And as far as the rest of it... jesus christ kid, read a book sometime instead of slinging insults around. You're angry because DC fucked themselves in the most hilariously spectacular way over a 20 year period decades before you were even born. There is literally nobody left alive who read Whiz Comics in the 50s and still collects today, don't try your angst shit here.

The core of Billy’s character has remained the same, you superficial fake fanboy

>Born too late to explore the Earth
>Born too early to explore the stars
>Born just in time to witness Billy's rise to popularity again

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I thought it was obvious each had just one of Billy's powers. Freddy had flight, Mary had invulnerability, Darla had superspeed, Pedro had superstrength, and Eugene had the lightning.

>Johns only cares about royalties.
>Big two
>royalties
Uhhhh, he got paid for his work. Then he got an EP gig for the movie.

>DC doesnt have good royalties
Tell that to Len Wein making more money off Lucius Fox in the Dark Knight trilogy than all the numerous Wolverine movies. Or Christopher Priest making money because Bruce Wayne climbed a movie in Batman Begins kinda like how he climbed a mountain in a random issue he wrote 30 years ago.

That could be nice, Carol is even an air force colonel, I think.

However, they're still going to be publishing comics titled "Captain Marvel" every decade or so to keep the trademark.

You didn’t read Thunderworld.

DC getting his rights was a mistake.

>Marvel's Captain Marvel
>was suddenly get wildly popular
haha what

>so why the fuck is there a need for any superheroes, idiot?
Don't get mad at me, I was basically quoting Snyder's philosophy.

Captain Thunder > Shazam

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>None of those guys had the right to call him Captain Marvel. DC never had that right.
Explain Mortal Kombat vs DC you lying piece of shit

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Shazam is way better

I fucking hate the disinfo that Captain Marvel can't be called Captain Marvel.

It's just trademark. His heroclix can't be called Captain Marvel. Neither can his book. Neither can his action figure. But you can call him Captain Marvel in the story.

Earth-S Shazam! comics. Power of Shazam. Monster Society of Evil. Thunderworld.

WHY DON'T PEOPLE READ FUCKING COMICS?

Why do you say that?

He was basically a prototype of Jonh's Billy.

Why can't they just push out a Thunderworld Adventures comic so we can have a classic Billy alongside the Power Rangers and everyone wins?

>Fawcett Comics publishes Captain Marvel in the 40s
>shit becomes immensely popular, dwarfs in sales anyghing DC is publishing
>jews must be jews and must have all the shekels
>DC sues Fawcet over Captain Marvel being a Superman ripoff
>a decade of legal fuckery ensues
>in the 50s Fawcett can't keep it going on, reaches a settlement and stops making comics
>for 20 years Fawcett's Cap Marvel remains forgotten
>in the 60s, Marvel was about to publish a comic about a character having adventures in space, somebody checks the name "Captain Marvel" and finds that while the copyright is obviously taken, the trademark is available
>Marvel's Captain Marvel appears
>then in the 70s somebody at DC buys the license to make Captain Marvel stuff
>with it comes the full use of everything related to the old comics BUT they can't put "Captain Marvel" in the covers as the trademark belongs to Marvel now
>bad blood and faggotry between Marvel and DC ensues
>a direct consequence is that Marvel has to keep their Captain Marvel being published, or risk losing the trademark over DC
>BTW, only in the 90s did DC finally buy the IP from Fawcett

Both DC and Marvel have been assholes in this story.

But Shazam is already a name of the Wizard. Also, he wouldn't be able to introduce himself properly unless given stupid "it has to be intentional" rule. Plus, Capitan Marvel sound cool and it's his original name, so Marvel can just fuck off.

Agreed, they're the bitterest, most obsessive motherfuckers I've seen. It's like an army of Novafags, and we know for certain there's only like two or three overall (even while counting Yea Forums), while there's Billyfags everywhere.

>and it's his original name

Yeah, it would still be his name had DC not basically stole the character from its creators.

How about Thunderchild? Too on the nose? And you'd imagine his rogues would be more aliens with that name

>There is literally nobody left alive who read Whiz Comics in the 50s and still collects today, don't try your angst shit here.
My eighty year old dad used to read Captain Marvel as a kid. I had to explain to him how DC fucked up and can't call him Captain Marvel anymore. Of course he isn't getting comics save what he gets from me.

I did not know that about Priest. Good for him.
I know even blacklisted Chuck Dixon got good royalties for Bane even back in that Batman & Robin turd.

i think that's what freddy was calling himself in kingdom come

>In 2009
That's some advance level historical revisionism user.

A few times they had the rule that if multiple of them transformed they became weaker individually. So having only one transform at a time means that person is at full strength, but multiple means you get weaker powers but make up for it in numbers

Dudley would be a nice counterbalance to Batson's youth and the pure heart that got him the powers in other continuities...

Both Marvel and DC stole all fo the characters they own. It's funny when people defend either brand as if they stood for anything but predatory and monopolic business practices.

his lack of a code name is already a running gag so I don't think they will

I have to say, i respect this version of johns's captain marvel waaaay more than Curse of shazam. It feels like something he really believes in, meanwhile Shazam was clearly just his giving form to a movie aproved version of the character and doing what WB asked him to do.

The Curse of Shazam version goes way back to 2011 though.

Have sex

>The Curse of Shazam version goes way back to 2011 though.
Yes and was a movie pitch back then. Morrison/waid/simone anthology was rejected becuase it didn't adress the problems with the captain marvel name and WB wanted a movie, so it went to Winnick, it didn't do too well, then with flashpoint Johns tried to do his own version with captain thunder but it wasn't enough, he was always a WB guy, that's how he got into DC and why he got gigs in smallville and other tv shows, Johns got involved with the movies as early as the latest drafts od green lantern (he put parallax in so the sequel could be about sinestro corps), he was consultant and a executive of warner, then CCO (in charge of non-comic media), Curse of shazam was ALWAYS the intended base for this movie, even back when it was announced everyone knew it would be johns's story. That's why Johns as president cucked every other in-universe story about the character, he wanted all the shekels.
Also, reminder than Johns wanted to use Batman earth one as the basis for his batman movie, and Ben Affleck was fell for it, when Miller got involved the script was called garbage.

Buncha parasidic leeches, I tell you. A day's work for a day's pay. That is a worker's one and only right. Buncha filthy communists taking over America, I tell ya.

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Everything but "Captain Marvel" sounds like shit.

What do you think of the movie?

Which is, surprise surprise, he was called Captain Marvel until Johns decided to drag his dick across the character and mark Billy as his own.

I hated it. Sivana was wasted, the Sins were ridiculous, pointless demons, and the whole Shazam Family was retarded. Had no connection with "muh diverse orphans" so I didn't enjoy when they all got the powers. Plus it's wholly inconsistent how they're all as powerful as Billy instead of sharing the same power source. It was a mess and I hope Cereal Lord dies in a fire.

>Yea Forums still upset that Johns writes better, more appealing comics than whatever flavor of the month shit that gets wanked here

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>Plus it's wholly inconsistent how they're all as powerful as Billy instead of sharing the same power source
That's how things used to work pre-crisis though. Limiting the powers when the family was around only came post-crisis.

Billy and the rest of the Marvels were gimped about as hard as Superman was post-crisis.

>Can't travel to Venus without using a mother box

>Sharing his power with Mary and Freddy drains him

This is the most comic book guy post I've seen in a while

It's the result of DC not actually being able to use his name in the Title, which was due to the actions of people from before he was born. Quit being so fecklessly retarded.

I was being facetious on purpose by the way, I actually liked the movie a lot. I only exaggerated my problems with it, but frankly it was no big deal. Sivana is still alive, Mr Mind is coming and the kids having powers is pretty fun (plus they're all hot). So yeah.
On top of that? I'm a Marvel fan and an anti-Billyfag.

Post Crisis turned the power levels down something fierce. And made DC civvies not believe in superheroes. What Marv Wolfman has a lot to answer for.

Johns has his fair share of issues and stinkers, but the hateboner Yea Forums seems to have for him is just baffling. I don't know if guys like this are shitposting or just that autistic anymore. You could argue King, Bendis, and even Snyder have done far more damage to books in a shorter amount of time in their careers.

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They've been doing "called Captain Marvel but he's in a book called Shazam something" since the seventies Shazam! series. Eat a dick casual. The only one to ever not be fine with this is Johns.

Elliot S! Maggins was fine with it.

Denny O'Neil was fine with it.

Roy Thomas was fine with it.

Jerry Ordway was fine with it.

Alex Ross was fine with it.

Jeff Smith was fine with it.

Judd Winick was fine with it.

Morrison was fine with it.

Johns was the only one that wasn't. Out of the entire list of post-Fawcett Captain Marvel writers he's the only one not to call him Captain Marvel.

But leave it to a casual like yourself to parrot the disinfo that he's "not called Captain Marvel anymore and is called Shazam because of the lawsuit."

IT'S FUCKING JOHNS FAULT.

Eat a dick. You've never read Captain Marvel. You just parrot memes you read online.

Johns has steadily been eroding cred since his last JSA run.

JSA was good. But we haven't seen Cyclone and Jakeem in aeons and when the JSA comes out of Dr. Manhattan's continuity toybox they'll likely be deleted from continuity while Johns does something retarded with the JSA like he did with the Marvel Family to try and make them movie friendly.

Don't worry, just shitposting. I haven't read a single Shazam comic before, let alone Johns'... So I have no idea why people hate him so much.

>Constantine is in a book called Hellblazer
>Thus he must now be called Hellblazer.
This is how fucking stupid you are.

Part of it is due to his pre-Nu continuity being highly regarded. It, Starman, and JSA made a comfy trio of "retro heroes in modern times" set.

With rebirth rolling back Nu changes the Nu Shazam family has stubbornly resisted reverting and now that the movie's out they're never going to revert.

>Freddy can be King Marvel to add to the Elvis fan thing
It’s perfect

Johns is one of the biggest cancers at DC, he blocks people from using characters that he plans to and after several years in which momentum is gone he will go "lol whatever you can have him now". He also brought in his friends Humphries and Bendis. Hell, the guy got Sterling Gates a job writing for DC because he paid for his meal once.

Early 90's DC was actually a lot weaker as a universe compared to early 90's Marvel. It wouldn't be until Morrison started having Superman eat anti-sun hearts and Flash pulling infinite mass punches that the dials started to creep back to 11.

DC even lost DC vs Marvel. Compare that to Busiek's JLA/Avengers where the Avengers get roflstomped and Metron has to feed Iron Man a motherbox just to keep it from being a total slaughter and the JLA allows the Avengers to win the contest because they figured out who was pulling the strings and what would happen if they won.

IP monopolies, like all monopolies, breed corruption and cronyism.

A severe case of not muh really. Johns basically took the Captain Marvel/Shazam material and decided Billy should act like a real fucking kid for once and not some 1950s Sunday funnies strip, and a good few autists are STILL throwing a goddamn fit over the name change.
The best thing about Johns calling dibs on the JSA and LoSH is that Bendis and King haven't fucked them over like they did with Batman and Superman. So excuse me if I'm not all that upset about him not sharing.

It's almost like Johns wrote a story with the guy after a company wide re-boot designed to change characters, make them more accessible to casuals and streamline a lot of things

Whether or not you like the New52 is a different story but I doubt fucking Johns is the only fucking guy at DC who wanted to just call him Shazam and had sway over fucking everyone else

Doomsday Clock is a disappointment and some of his books aren't completely amazing, and he's slower than shit on certain projects but getting hung up on the fucking Shazam thing being some crime by Johns is absurd

Who the fuck are you kidding? If he would give those characters up they'd go to personal friends like Bendis or Humphries.

>90's Marvel vs DC
>DC Loses
>Wonder Woman loses to fucking lightning
>Wolverine beats Lobo
>Literally having fans vote on who wins

>Millennium JLA/Avengers
>Avengers are outclassed and Metron has to help even the odds
>JLA disgusted at the state of 616 and Avengers chimp out that they have museums which means they MUST have taken over the world and forced people to worship them
>DC chaos magic>>>>>Marvel chaos magic
>Darksied throws away the Infinity Gauntlet
>Superman DIALS Thor

Based Busiek took vengeance for DC vs Marvel.

> decided Billy should act like a real fucking kid for once and not some 1950s Sunday funnies strip, and a good few autists are STILL throwing a goddamn fit over the name change.

What is Power of Shazam you stupid, stupid casual?

Ordway did the "Billy acting like a real fucking kid" thing years before Johns.

Of course you don't know about it because you DON'T READ COMICS. Shut the fuck up casual. You don't know dick about Captain Marvel.

You're welcome to think that.

Superman treated Thor like Freddy treated the wizard kid in Dream Warriors and it was wonderful to watch.

And you're free to continue living in denial.

>C-Casual
Pathetic. Fuck your chosen one bullshit

Nice non-answer casual. You got blown the fuck out because your knowledge of Captain Marvel extends to the Shazam movie and nothing else. You actually thought Johns take was the first time Billy was treated as a "real" kid.

Stupid, mouthy casual who only knows comics through memes. Shut up and read.

He probably meant more about Billy being a dick

On a side note I loved that the first thing he said in the movie was "holy moly".

And pathetic name calling is the only autistic argument you have. Oh and by the way? Monster Society of Evil is fucking overrated.

>Ordway Billy thinks about killing Black Adam for murdering his parents and refuses to go to Venus to check on some astronaut's distress call the first time he's asked because he's tired and has a test tomorrow
>Chosen one bullshit
Casual going to casual.

Samefag going all out

Power of Shazam Billy had his dickish moments.

>Get corrected because you think Curse Billy was the first Billy to have flaws
>"Y-You can only call me names!"
Livestream your suicide. You're the comic equivalent of a fake gamer girl.

>Get corrected
Suuure pal.

Why are Billyfags some of the worst characterfags on Yea Forums?

Johnsfags need to kill themselves

>Why are Billyfags some of the worst characterfags on Yea Forums?
Told you dog:

>Mary and Freddy have no powers
>They still fought and used the same powers

Does Mary Marvel have any pin-ups yet?
pls post them

Somebody is hungry for art

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She's a minor, so no.

That was changed as far back as Trials when Freddy became Shazam. Now you have to have the intent to change when you say the word. It doesn't just happen anymore.

moar

Shit, I can't think of anything. I guess Capt. Thunder is the only way to go. When you think about it, not only does it fit with his character, but it also makes sense when you look at it from an ironic point of view. Billy shouts SHAZAM in order to become a superhero; thunder coming before lightning.

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>no shazam merchandise
Why even live?

Johns referenced it in his new Shazam! Book.

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Wait, sorry didn't read OP.

Captain Armageddon

Shazam is the ghost of an old beardo in robes who hangs at the Rock of Eternity.

>Elliot S! Maggins was fine with it.
>Denny O'Neil was fine with it.
>Roy Thomas was fine with it.
>Jerry Ordway was fine with it.
>Alex Ross was fine with it.
>Jeff Smith was fine with it.
>Judd Winick was fine with it.
>Morrison was fine with it.
>Johns was the only one that wasn't.
Yeah, because Johns lives in a world where Disney owns the name. Which is true of almost all of those writers except maybe Morrison.
>You've never read Captain Marvel. You just parrot memes you read online.
This from the fag who googles "SHAZAM CREATORS" and uses it try to throw shade.

It's one of his epithets. Man of Steel, Darknight Detective, Dynamic Duo, Maid of Might, Prince of Power, Thunderer, Web-Slinger, Wall-Crawler, Emerald Archer, etc, are all epithets.

Constantine refers to himself and the community of magic users in london as "Hellblazers" bro. In Carey's run, can't recall which trade, it's the one where he fails to save his sister from the First Fallen while the two of them are in Hell.

Why do they have museums?

user not him but you've never addressed any of his previous posts

You realize johns has written captain marvel stuff before the name shit and never tried to change the name or anything until the name rights once again reared their heads.

Dude had years of jsa writing and that includes marvel/black adam stuff that never attempted to change the name.

>Yeah, because Johns lives in a world where Disney owns the name. Which is true of almost all of those writers except maybe Morrison.
Disney owning Marvel doesn't give them anymore power over the name. DC can use Captain Marvel as a name all they want within the book. They just cant put it on the cover, or on a piece of merchandise.

Though I personally think WB had been wanting to get rid of the name for some time, which had been the reason for all that shit with trying to turn Freddy into a legacy hero called Shazam. The New 52 just gave them a clean break. Why the fuck they couldn't live with Captain Thunder just as well I don't know.

Remember during geoff johns decade long jsa run he hooked up stargirl and captain marvel.

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Uh, shouldn't Billy turn into Cap if when he said Shazam? Or am I missing something here?

This is still the best canon relationship for Billy, though.

The Power was being blocked here.

Billy was cut off from his powers and this is how Courtney found out Billy was actually a boy around her age. Good guy Jay Garrick unfortunately broke them up because he didn't like the looks those two were giving one another and he wasn't in on the secret

Sure, Didio

By who? I'm incredibly new to Shazam comics and the JSA, who I know isn't from the main DC earth, right? Did Billy hop into another universe?

The JSA was the proto Justice League of the 1940s, and depending on what continuity they're technically from both the same and different universes (They haven't returned to main canon yet).

Never has that response been more appropriate.

>They just cant put it on the cover, or on a piece of merchandise.

...which is the important thing WB really wants.

"Mr. Marvel"

Just call him the Big Red Cheese, literally no one will object.

.t Sivana

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Wow, hot a what Baabhabhiat

DOCTOR MARVEL, I'M CIA

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Which I acknowledged as being the real reason as well as a cause for that post-infinite crisis crap with Freddy calling himself Shazam. Though they probably only asked for the lead character call himself Shazam and DC though up the rest of that bad idea on their own.

Still doesn't explain why they'd insist on Shazam instead of Captain Thunder.

Oh oh oh, no, patented Fawcett hero, old golden age publication!

Captain Magic

Johns let Billy kiss his sister

You sound like a real Mr Block user.

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Jay Garrick is the original flash. He’s a real pure hero

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There's only one Red Cyclone

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How?

Freddy already called himself King Shazam, not much of a stretch there

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As I recall, when Johns was told to change the character's name, Captain Thunder was his first choice, which is why the character is called that in Flashpoint.

However, when DC tried to apply for the trademark to Captain Thunder, they found out somebody else already had it. I think it was a tabletop gaming company or something like that.

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Jay is a golden age by the books hero. He’s always been that way

Darla's last name is Dudley. I'm hoping he shows up. And is a white guy, who is clearly not Darla's uncle.

christ, just call it captain shazam

For Shazam.

Now now, only one of Darla's parents needs to be black.

>How tha actual fuck is Black Adam, who is only one, or any villain a match for them?

He's the original champion and has more ruthlessness, experience and skill in wielding his powers. Black Adam will literally just snap a neck if the opportunity strikes. Billy and co. wouldn't do that. That gives him an advantage.

DiDio was Executive Editor; they didn't have an EIC when Hahn left and Levitz took over.

Stay salty, Billy-stan. You would have gotten nothing if Cap was public domain. Large corporations don't give a shit about IP they cannot exploit in multiple ways.

Don't you have some Bo Duke dolls to play with, Geoff?

>writes better, more appealing comics

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>You would have gotten nothing if Cap was public domain. Large corporations don't give a shit about IP they cannot exploit in multiple ways.

Thor.

It's a shit name

Isn't his name "The Champion"? Doctor Sivana calls him that name all the time in the movie.

Billy is public domain.

Don't be retarded

>Brigadier Marvel
>Sir Marvel(?)

It's not, but that was a useful workaround.

I had exactly three (3) complaints about the film:
>never calling him Captain Marvel
>somewhat excessive slow motion during the climax
>Sin-vana was too similar to Black Adam mechanically (both being flying bricks), which makes the latter less unique

Sivanna didn't use any math equations to walk through walls

You’re a moron if you thought they would call him Captain Marvel

..and right after a movie from a rival company called "Captain Marvel" came out

I was REALLY hoping he would at the end there.

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I don't mind the slow-mo. It was used mainly during Darla scenes and it made sense for her.

As for Sivana - they kinda blew their load with him being Black Adam stand-in - because that's who he was. In n52 comics that's literally Black Adam's part. Now DC has a problem how to introduce Black Adam without repeating the plot from the first movie.

And they would never call him Captain Marvel unless they want to face a mother of all lawsuits from Marvel, with how fiercely protective Marvel is of that character. Why they suddenly love Carol Danvers so much I have no idea, but here we are.

Chad Marvel

>I don't mind the slow-mo. It was used mainly during Darla scenes and it made sense for her.
I'm glad it didn't detract from the movie for you.

>As for Sivana - they kinda blew their load with him being Black Adam stand-in - because that's who he was. In n52 comics that's literally Black Adam's part. Now DC has a problem how to introduce Black Adam without repeating the plot from the first movie.
Unfortunately I missed the n52 stuff, so I didn't know that. Makes sense, though.

>And they would never call him Captain Marvel unless they want to face a mother of all lawsuits from Marvel, with how fiercely protective Marvel is of that character. Why they suddenly love Carol Danvers so much I have no idea, but here we are.
I was hoping (I knew it was unlikely, but even so) that they could go the older comic route and call him CM in the film itself despite not being able to call the film by that name. Ah, well.

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How about we call your hero Dyke Bitch instead

You literally called it a complaint, meaning you were EXPECTING it would happen, which was stupid in first place.

>You literally called it a complaint
True
>meaning you were EXPECTING it would happen
False.
>which was stupid in first place.
Would be true if not for the falsehood above.

By your idiotic "logic" I was EXPECTING the film to use less slow motion. I had no expectations for the amount of slow-motion the film would use; it simply used more than I felt it needed.

tl;dr - You're a stupid cunt.

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>By your idiotic "logic" I was EXPECTING the film to use less slow motion.
This analogy fails because this stems from the ridiculous assumption that using "Captain Marvel" was ever a possibility for them. I swear Billyfags are among the most retarded in this board, can't instill sense into them.

Whether or not calling him Captain Marvel was possible doesn't make hopes the same things as expectations, but nice effort at changing the subject.

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>Whether or not calling him Captain Marvel was possible doesn't make hopes the same things as expectations
Just move on, dude. This is sad.

Yes, you are. Luckily for you I have a dental checkup to get to.

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I don’t know what the hell is up with Billyfags either. For such a wholesome comic the fan base is rabid and edgy. The only other time I’ve seen this many death threats was from our one autistic Wonder Woman fag

Captain DC

Only time I've seen this amount of aggressiveness and defensive behavior has been with rabid Novafags, like the one who harassed Gunn for years. But not even the Nova fans in the board are this edgy.

The entire character is. And most of his villains.

Roy Thomas owns the name. And no it was never actually the characters name.

>inb4 i read a thing
Published history is all that matters.

His name is captain marvel, the book is called Shazam!. It's not difficult.

DC never trademarking Shazam so that a shitty application and a coffee company can trademark it was completely foolish.

Then leave, newfag. If you'd been here for more than a week you'd know billyfags hate DC and Johns in particular for ruining the character.

>hur dur why the fanbase of a character gets mad when said character gets it's name changed and was redesigned thinking solely for the movies
You faggots cry when superman doesn't smile and you are so retarded that you can't even imagine how pissed you would be is Warner changed his name to "the kryptonian"

Why would I leave simply because you're an autistic imbecile unable to let go of your shitty grievances? You're not even among the majority.
On top of that I came here to talk about the character in the movie, I'm not even a DC fan, and you're being dismissive and aggressive for no reason. No one's gonna take you seriously.

Also
>gets it's name changed and was redesigned thinking solely for the movies
Yeah I'm pretty sure it has NOTHING to do with the fact that DC can't use the fucking stupid name in first place, no, it was the movie producers who wanted to shit on the character, yep, absolutely!

>New
Yeah you wish, faggot. I didn’t say it was new, just tiresome and more prevalent because of the fucking movie
So are you guys this salty about Jean abandoning “Marvel Girl”?