Batman #68 storytime

So is bruce ever gonna marry selina?

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Kek

Issue #106

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Fuck Tom King

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............

God i could kill someone
How would bruce and Clark arrive at the same time..

>Have The Sirens on the cover
>They aren't on the story

Fuck you, King

Just fuck already you faggots.

I can’t believe the dragged Conner out of retirement for this.

Kara a cute. CUTE

>Two Billion-year-old Chardonnay
Who would make something like this?
Do Guardians even drink?

>reporter doesn't follow sports
>Clark doesn't have hobbies or fun
Bendis protect my boy from King

gay

>it was all a dream
WHOA

all of King's Batman books would be better without any words

Who cares about a bachelorette party for a wedding that didn't happen?

I want Amanda Conner off of books, NOW.

I like this.

I thought Knightmares was already over?
batman woke up and all was resolved? Wtf is this garbage?

King is just a pandering nincompoop. That bachelorette issue of Green Arrow/Black Canary is beloved even if that period isn't of good quality, that's why this retard actually asked for Amanda Conner. He is creatively bankrupt.

>copy Slott
>don't do it as well

That was Tomasi's first Detective Comics arc.

King's Knightmare still has one more issue.

What a pointless issue.

That's Lombard's job.

Comic books are so fucking retarded

Huh, I've been out of the loop for a while, but I remember Tom King's Batman being decent initially - his "Bane" arc was solid.

Suddenly everybody hates him - what did I miss?

And apparently Bendis who was behind a monstrosity known as Riri Williams is writing Superman. Fuck me.

>more pointless filler to pad out the run so King can have a hundred issues
Why does King even write Batman? He doesn’t seem to care or have any interest in the character anymore. He just seems like he’s running through the motions. He’s already wasted ten issues of filler on this shit.

At least Slott tried to do new things and did events that seem like he was putting some effort into it.

What's King's goal? I've given up. This is just frustrating.

Was the bachelorette party a real memory or a dream that is a part of the “knightmare”?

It’s filler until the Bane event starts.

It's just that the last issue before the current arc, around 71, was a big cliffhanger before moving to a series of oneshots of stuff he wanted to write that editorial prevented him from interspersing between arcs like he did earlier in the run.
That, alongside the "The Price" crossover with The Flash means it's been slow-paced as of late.

Also, it's spending time to let Heroes in Crisis wrap up before it becomes plot relevant for the main Batman book.

>what did I miss?
BAT-CAT BAT-CAT BAT-CAT BAT-CAT BAT-CAT BAT-CAT BAT-CAT BAT-CAT BAT-CAT BAT-CAT BAT-CAT BAT-CAT BAT-CAT BAT-CAT Ponzi-scheme,muh depresion
Basically 30 issues of nothing

>tfw Batman is going to drop under the 100.000 copies sold very soon
Was this his plan all along since he is a Dick fanboy?

That’s almost as bad as getting that editor demoted because he demanded Finch draw the proposal issue.

>Who cares about a bachelorette party for a wedding that didn't happen?
Who cares about TWO DIFFERENT bachelorette parties for a wedding that didn't happen? Both of which used the "girls go see strippers while the boys do boring shit" gimmick?

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>Dick fanboy
Is that why he had Dick shot in the head and made into Ric?
>But King said that wasn’t his idea!
King also said he didn’t know about the HiC Ivy Cover. He’s a fucking liar.

How does King manage to find new ways of being terrible and lazy?

are you fucking dumb? this didn't happen
none of this is real
it's all happening in Bruce's mind

The Bane arc will boost sales.

That makes it even more pointless!

Now none of this fucking matters!

yes it does because the last page isn't a dream sequence

Is King the most decompression-heavy author in comics? Because Jesus H. Christ does this self-obsessed spook love dragging out his fucking stories. The least he could do is at least make them entertaining, but no....that would be too much to ask.

>TWO DIFFERENT bachelorette parties
you are also dumb

No. DC hates married Superheroes more than Hitler hated Jews. Just like they hate children/teen superheroes.

>we will never go back at Batman being a detective in Gotham

This feels like a date.

So what Batbook would you recommend instead of Batman? I've been told that Batgirl is decent, but I have a sneaking suspicion that my friend is trolling me.

A man that married his own mom cares.

Man I'm glad I decided to stop buying this crap. I have like 40 issues of Tom King Batman because I'm a retard. Right now it all feels like a complete waste of money.

This run sucks balls. What a disappointment he turned out to be.

I know that feel, user

you ironically missed nothing

>Cat
>Bat
Kite-man! Hell yeah!

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Eventually. Which will make the fake out even stupider and more pointless.

>No.. DC wanted to marry Batman with Catwoman not Bruce with Selina..
Anyway. You can´t marry Bruce, Selina. Is impossible.

>Selina looking up Kara's skirt
>I've made so many wrong decisions

Ganthet probably does

God bless Conner

I honestly don’t see the appeal of Bachelor Parties. Never did; even as a kid. It just sounds silly and cruel.

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>uh
>um
>well
>....
Why are they so awkward?

Okay I have stopped reading DC for like 6 months, last chapter I read was literally when Catwoman left Bruce at the alter. Don't fucking tell me this marriage shit is still going on? Is this a what if alternate universe? Why dd Catwoman dump Batman? What the fuck is going on? Is it true Jon Kent died or went to another universe? Just give me the bullet points I"m probably gonna marathon the comics I've missed up to this point. If Bruce is gonna marry that whore and Jon is done I'm just gonna stop reading comics.

>left you on that rooftop
This isn’t a flashback? What?

I don't like that Clark is taller than Bruce. Pre-crisis was better with Clark being slightly shorter than Bruce.

How did her and Batman get back together? I thought Bane ruined his relationship with her

Oh god their livers are doomed

It's a dream. The real-world is seeping into the fantasy for a moment.

This is why we can’t have nice things!

Are male strip clubs eveb that common? I live in Miami and I’ve never seen one.

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>Are male strip clubs eveb that common?
No.

I hope this is DC's late answer to Marvel Zombies

>liver
Best case scenario only their liver is fucked, most likely scenario there entire body is.

Is she having an orgasm?

I hope Batman dies .

I hate the Catwoman/Batman pariring .

It is. Plot's basically Darkseid infects Cyborg with the Anti-Life Equation and boomtubes him to Earth, which causes the Zombie crisis.

I thought the wedding fell through? Is this a flashback?

in fact, I hate Catwoman. I found her annoying and unsexy, in whatever media she appears.

So then why the fuck is every fictional bachelorette party at a male strip club? Most irl bachelorette parties I know about are just the women drinking their brains out.

i don't like her too.

Just read Catwoman#10

So we're introduced to Selina's potential rebound, a gifted black artist called James, Bat-Cuck imminent I guess

I suppose this is what King meant by more heartbreak, when he eventually reunites Bruce and Selina in his own book Selina will tell Bruce she's with someone else now. This happened with Dick and Babs as well when Babs was seeing Luke and Dick was working with Spiral

King doesn't give a crap, he'll ignore it all but good for Jones for moving ahead if thats the case. King keeps going back to that gutter over and over. 3 of the 6 Knightmares issues have been Catwoman centered and the upcoming one seems to be as well. As if Batman doesn't have any other(more legitimate) fears. Should have just called them Catmares and be done with it.

In any event Thomas Wayne's involvement and Bane's takeover of Gotham are where the actual story lies. Bat/Cat is just moronic pandering at this point.

>Just read Catwoman#10
>So we're introduced to Selina's potential rebound, a gifted black artist called James, Bat-Cuck imminent I guess
hahaahahahahahahahahaaha

>This happened with Dick and Babs as well when Babs was seeing Luke and Dick was working with Spiral.

I legitimately forgot that she was seeing Luke Whatshisface Fox. Seriously, she keeps changing boyfriends every 10 issues. And it all feels pointless and unnecessary because we know she's gonna end up with Dick anyway.

>a gifted black artist called James
Oh boy here we go.

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Because its written by men

>Lars Tay Darllsky
That's no where near close to a Finnish name

Was she actually retired? I figured she was just flexing her writing chops a bit since she still drew plenty of covers for Marvel and DC

>So we're introduced to Selina's potential rebound, a gifted black artist called James, Bat-Cuck imminent I guess
Just sit back and laugh at Batcatfags.

I get Bruce not having anyone besides Clark, but why couldn't we get Ivy and Harley hanging out with Selina and Lois, even just as stowaways?

This is a flashback

I hate when writers decide that Bruce should be completely socially inept. It's such a contrast to how he was written pre-Knightfall and I hate it

This feels like a waste of a page

>So we're introduced to Selina's potential rebound, a gifted black artist called James, Bat-Cuck imminent I guess
HAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAH

Welcome to Tom King.

I've only vaguely kept up with Batman, but:
>Bruce has anger issues over Catwoman leaving him
>KGBeast shoots Dick in the head, he lives, but has amnesia and is going by "Ric Grayson"
>Bruce is put in a machine that gives him Nightmares (leading to a series of one-shots)
>Also Heroes in Crisis is a thing where heroes (and occasionally villains) go to a place called Sanctuary and get horribly ineffective therapy. Hilarity ensures in which Wally kills everyone and is killed by Harley and Booster because he wanted his kids back and he's depressed.

>Jor-El shows up randomly (despite getting Manhatten'd, decides to take Jon to space
>Lois goes with, leaving Clark alone
>Clark later finds Lois alone in disguise somewhere
>Jon later shows up, but he's now an adult and comes to the "surprising" conclusion that Jor-El
>Basically, antics ensured in which Jon and Jor visited different worlds, they get seperated by a wormhole, Jon is captured by Ultraman and the Crime Syndicate, and is later rescued by Jor-El (apparently he went back in time at one point, which is probably why the CS existed).
You can catch that last part in the Superman Storytime.

TL;DR: It's a mess.

Why are you lying? The last page literally says everything went to shit fast.

>Why are you lying? The last page literally says everything went to shit fast.
Nope.

Oh no!

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Selina gets a big black cock for xmas .

Not even Batman can defeat thw might of the BBC.

I don't hate interracial couples, it's not like I care. That user is just straight up lying.

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This can't be legit. She's getting BLACKED while Bruce is having his "nightmare"? These writers are fucked up.

HOLY SHIT THAT LOOK.

Why? She is just being healthy. She is moving on while Bruce is wallowing in self pity. It is a very interesting way for the story to go.

Man what a piece of shit art,nowadays there is literally no excuse to have not only the main character but that guy in the back drawn so badly,its a fucking closeup and she looks like shit.
Comics are dead.

Joelle Jones is a good artist, she just can't work at this pace.

See ya next week.

The art looks good though except for that coloring mistake on the last panel.

Batman will never achieve true happiness.

So how long until Disney buys dc comics ?

Never and I don't think Disney will do a better job. Comic books are so stuck in keeping the status qou.

Batgirl is decent but not great. It started out surprisingly strong but kind of fizzled. There honestly aren't any Bat books coming out right now I would recommend (unless you count creature of the night) and I say that as a huge fan of the character. Just catch up on some backlogs of better stories.

Oh it's coming. There's money to be made and the mouse knows it!

Batgirl doesn't deserve the covers it's been getting

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Is shadow of the bat still being produced?

Oooo nice.

Not since like the 90s. Or are you asking if they're still making trades?

I'm not going anywhere you mongoloid,fuck off with your attempts to be smug.

I mean it looks so flat,the bakground is obviously a 3d model but i don't mind that,i checked some of her art on google and yeah she has some pretty good stuff

This was not as bad as I imagined it'd be, but still bad. Also, never been that big on Conner, but that's me.This page here is the worst of the issue. Like, I get getting an OOC Selina, to make her worse, in Nightmares, because she's Bruce's nightmare (not referring to this issue, I mean in general) but why an OOC Lois? A Lois that looks down on her marriage shouldn't be Bruce's nightmare. Which means she isn't. Which means this is how King genuinely views Lois.
And that's bad.

No the rag. Thanks for the answer, man. I've been out of the floppies game for a long time.

>Joelle Jones is a good artist, she just can't work at this pace.
>I mean it looks so flat,the bakground is obviously a 3d model but i don't mind that,i checked some of her art on google and yeah she has some pretty good stuff
This art isn't by Joelle Jones. It was good when she was drawing it, now it's somebody else.

I don't think it will. WB is never selling DC and Disney just got done buying Fox.

Well if you've been out of comics for that long, then the bright side is that there's a good amount of Bat shit between then and now you can read

This is bullshit, Superman wouldn't have wine in his fortress, at most he would have a fridge of cold beers and meat for a good American BBQ.

>Fernando Blanco
My mistake, I'm behind on the series and thought she was still doing and just got sloppy.

THIRTY-SEVEN

I like the idea in concept, but if they wanted a gals night where they could get drunk in wine, wouldn't make more sense to go to Wonder Woman's place?

The fancy wines were all gifts, not things Clark went out and got himself.

THIRTY SEVEN?

I had a stroke, put me in a coma. I just came out Feb 4.

Mark my words, Disney will buy dc comics. It's coming.

So, uh, did Lois and Selina have sex?

Yea Forums isn't very good at reading please understand.

Did they?

No, just another example where a male writer thinks women just hang out naked around each other. I'm surprised they didn't decide to have a sexy pillow fight.

poor Alfred

Lois and Selina are gonna fuck the robots

I don't even remember why he's in this (((Knightmare))) to begin with

If this were written by Palmiotti and Conner, yes. Since this was written by King the answer is a flat no

We don't know, it will probably be revealed next issue.

>women just hang out naked around each other. I'm surprised they didn't decide to have a sexy pillow fight
wait, thats not women girls do?

Good lord, finally a glimpse of plot.

It totally is, that user's full of it.

Batman literally dreams about his fiancée getting off to his best friend

these 2 work together all the time they are the best of friends, this should not be awkward this is awful writing

THIS was a BATMAN comic?!?

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Good

she took off her shoes and left everything else on

Superman Does not yawn he does not get tired

why would Superman build these with dicks.

Holy shit. What a kick in the face. It's like he has not instincts for endings at all. I enjoyed the issue and this retroactively ruins the entire thing.

What's the context of this arc?

He didn't. They have anatomically correct Kryptonian crotch pincers.

I too like Sejic's fanart.

I'm just gonna wait for Tom's Bat/Cat shit to be over so we can get a real writer who writes Batman with dignity

Fuck you

Don't you have some characters to write ooc, tom?

Campbell is the best background character in this entire run.

Selina sucks a black cock.

Cat loves how a big black dick stretches her tiny pussy .

Does anyone have that one interview with Morrison where he talks about how Batman's personality was fractured in the 90s so that people like Nightwing and Robin would each get a slice?

Shitting on Batman.
Yet again.
Because that's how King chose to write the male MC.
Yet again.

She's getting BLACKED ,Batmans ex wanted to try a big black dick and she got one.

>Suddenly everybody hates him - what did I miss?
Everyone hates the current Batman writer. It's what Yea Forums does.

Or maybe you should stop being such a moralizing prude? That's the worst thing about Yea Forums; the blatant hypocrisy.

You really need to calm down.

I dunno, you ever tried to hang out with a married friend? Things do get awkward.

As an alcoholic and a Green Lanternaholic, I want to drink Mogo juice so fucking bad. Mars booze is looking pretty cool, too.

Gonna pass on the Beetle juice and liquid diamonds, though.

It's called having fun.

>wanting a character to love her family when that's how she's been portrayed as consistently is being a moralizing prude and a hypocrite

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Clark wasn't the awkward one. Bruce was just being written at maximum manchild

>years and years of cheesecake/porn fanart of Bruce getting all the girls because Batman is the best

You didn't think it came without a price, did you?

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>abloo abloo abloo muh batman
They honestly should just stop printing Batman for like a year.

>insecurity the post
Who let /r9k/ in?

Strong words coming from you.

>Batmans ex wanted to try a big black dick
Not like she hasn't tried it before.

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Do you think mom had nothing better to do than clean up your messes? Give the lady a break, moms deserve a me time.

No one is saying she doesn't.
The
>Fuck tomorrow
goes way beyond that, into mischaracterisation.

>Is King the most decompression-heavy author in comics?
No that would definitely be Bendis. The difference is that, outside of Ultimate Spider-Man, Bendis jumps from one title to the next in quick succession, decompressing everything so that nothing significant happens anywhere.

Didn't we just do this with the Morrison run?

>coming from you.
Lol what?

>I'm gonna take a drunk woman blowing off steam literally

>Didn't we just do this
user I hate to tell you this, but Batman #682 (the story that, yes, King is ripping off) was over a decade ago

She's saying she wants to not think about any of her responsibilities that will come tomorrow and just have fun. This issue sucked but it's weird you're getting so hung up on this one part

I don't get it. He was out of machine in the Detective comics. Why is he there again? Why is having him and Selina marrying is a nightmare? And as bad as having loved ones dead? What the fuck?
Fucking hell, I just hope the next author will retcon EVERYTHING King wrote. I mean, the only decent thing was Kite-man, that's all. I like Kite-man as a minor character but not in sacrifice for a fucking Batman.

>user I hate to tell you this, but Batman #682 (the story that, yes, King is ripping off) was over a decade ago

Oh fuck me

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>He was out of machine in the Detective comics
There are usually discrepancies during tie in issues like this, It happens all the time.

She isn't shown to mind her responsibilities, she is shown to mind her life.

It has been over a decade and we did have Snyder in-between.

But yes, it is really boarding on nuts that King is basically rehashing the same general story idea. Morrison did it FAR better.

>Almost a decade out from the end of Morrison's run
>The only Batman stories since then have been Snyder's run, King's run, and a bunch of mediocre shit on Detective
Shoot me

I agree with you. Lois loves her family. She should never say or imply that she considers it a job she wants to disregard.

This goes beyond inebriation. She would never say something like that in any instance.

Responsibilities ate one thing, but she literally says:
>Tomorrow I have to wake up and be a reporter and a wife and a mother and go to work and be a reporter and a wife and a mother and then go home and be a reporter and a wife and a mother
She's equating a job she apparently hates to the job of having a family she also apparently hates. You could twist that into "responsibility" if you want, but that's not how King worded it. It's very specific phrasing.

typically a stripclub would have a "Ladies' night" or you would order a male stripper for a private party

can someone give me a quick rundown on Bane's masterplan and how this fits in?

Which still is not how a bachelorette party goes in real life.

Look at all this stuff that didnt happen

>This goes beyond inebriation.
No it's not, like have you never meet a drunk person before?

Make Batman miserable and break him.
I'm guessing, locking him up in a device to make him experience nightmares helps break him, as mental torture?
Which most of the issues so far, sorta did, except this one, today.
I thought it'd be
>Selina ogling male other guys and maybe cheating at her party
but this is weird. What exactly is the nightmare? That She was shitfaced and made robots strip? Pffff
That Lois is a shit mom/wife? That's Clark's nightmare.
No, the nightmare is that everyone is happy and that isn't enough to make Bruce happy.
Which could work as a nightmare, but, 1) it's not shown/explained thoroughly WHY he's not happy, except heavy-handed lines that lack depth and 2)the delivery is horrible, because it focuses much more on Selina than Bruce's misery, which is portrayed as awkward chit-chat with Clark. Which reminds me, King can't write positive male friendship for shit, the carnival issue had the same problem, this faggot can't write bromance. I dread his blue/gold future stuff. Then again, he did it decently in HiC, so, maybe it's just Bruce/Clark that he doesn't get.

Bonus point I wanted to mention. Why the fuck wouldn't Selina believe he beat Clark at chess?

It never happened, it's another "knightmare"

Their official measurements since like 1983 have Clark being 6’6” and Bruce being 6’2”. So that’s something that’s likely older then you are.

I really hate King’s idea that Batman can’t be happy without Catwoman. In many stories he was happy with his kids or other heroes, so King’s Batman seems just OOC to me.
Also, marrying a criminal makes him hypocrite as a hero.
The reason they can’t marry should be Catwoman is a criminal, not “Batman can’t be happy”.

BLACKED lol

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You reap what you sow, American.

I wonder when it's coming back to haunt us.

Wait what happened?

BLACKED!

>A Lois that looks down on her marriage shouldn't be Bruce's nightmare. Which means she isn't. Which means this is how King genuinely views Lois. And that's bad.

Every human being feels like this from time to time. Also she just stepped out of the hedonism pool.

BLACKED!!!! Poor Bruce.

Bruce: is suffering, has dreams about Selina and can't stop thinking about her

Selina: imma just jump into the new relationship hop hop
ir

There it is.
Fuck you King

What you see now, is a dream sequence or the past. What we actually have now is Bruce suffering and Selina possibly getting a new love interest.

>She's more important than the galaxies.

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Holy fucking shit, King's dialogue is so fucking bad. This issue just confirms that no artist can hide that.

>He was out of machine in the Detective comics. Why is he there again?
Different machine, dude.

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>Hey Batman, if this is all in your head, how are we seeing the things you weren’t there for?

>Fuck off, I have vivid imagination.

Why is Bruce dreaming about his potential wife getting gangbanged by his best friend?

>Snyder's run
>Batman doing Batman things

>King's run
>it's a Catwoman series

>>Snyder's run
>>Batman doing Batman things
Except when it was Gordon doing detective Iron Man things, or just a bunch of Joker Wank. King's run sucks, but let's not rewrite history.

>but is okay when Morrison replaced Bruce with Dick

i bet lois gets AIRTIGHT'D by the robots whenever she's at the fortress and clark has to leave suddenly for some natural disaster

BASED AMANDA CONNER

this is at least the SECOND issue where lois is a confirmed cuckqueen

HOW CAN ONE WIFE BE SO BASED

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seriously, if there is one character fitting to replace bruce as batman, it's dick.
or terry mcginnis, but that's my fanboy talking.

commisioner gordon as batman was just stupid.

Ok this whole sequence was pretty much kek.

I LIKE that women can show sexual interest still in DC. It was getting a little overly burka heavy if you know what I mean.

>implying Bruce shouldn't be Batman forever
>implying being Batman shouldn't be his eternal duty/curse and he shouldn't carry all the suffering it entails
>implying Snyder's clone machine wasn't the perfect solution

Morrison had Dick become Batman as a tool to examine what makes Bruce who he is by contrasting it with Dick in the role. Plus it ended up being a 10/10 run.

Oh you're just a Snyder fanboy, ok.

>liking the clone solution

Shit's still dumb. If Bruce is going to use tech to effectively cheat his way to immortality, then why not just go full League of Assassins with the Lazarus Pits?

Why Batman even NEED "Cat" so much? Is it only because of that stupidity about them being suicidal and understanding each other's pain?

Because honestly, this is a terrible romance. We're never given any other reason for why they're so into each other.

Morrison did that because he ran out of ideas and needed a new gimmick.

>implying Bruce shouldn't be Batman forever
Morrison's run literally said this you silly billy. That was literally the thesis of the whole thing. Get a tiny bit of reading comprehension.

This is actually a good point.

One of the continual guiding principals of Bruce being Batman is that he doesn't want things to be "fake". He intentionally avoided using magic and the supernatural.

Yeah no. It's pretty clear that Morrison had his overall arc planned from the beginning. You're just spouting shit with absolutely nothing to back it up because you don't want anyone to say mean things about Snyder.

>expecting me to remember stuff that came out a decade ago other than the basic plot points

depending on the version the Pits make you crazy or just run out eventually

This feels like a waste of wine.

So your argument has literally come down to the fact that you don't know what you're talking about.

>Why the fuck wouldn't Selina believe he beat Clark at chess?
You're surprised by this? Selina is CONSTANTLY putting Batman down in this run despite loving him so much. She even calls herself stupid for loving such a pathetic over-grown manchild, with her reasoning being she's just as broken as he is.

The clone idea is incredibly stupid and cheapens the character so fucking hard it's not funny.

One of the big points about Bruce being Batman is that eventually he either is going to be killed in action or his body will age to the point he can't keep up anymore.

Bruce accepting his human limitations is one of the things that has defined the character for decades. He long ago decided against using drugs, magic or biotech to extend himself beyond what a normal human was capable of.

King's Batman sees Catwoman as the only source of any modicum of happiness in his miserable existence. He also believes that no one else but her truly gets him. Not Alfred, not the Robins, not his friends. Not anyone. Only the "Cat". Because MUH suicide.

It also robs the story of an old Bruce training the next Batman. Terry doesn't have to be endgame, but Bruce accepting the mentor position is a really nice bit of character growth.

The clone idea basically always keeps him in Phase 2 of his life.

Yeah, I agree it's another example of King writing like an idiot.

>implying Snyder's clone machine wasn't the perfect solution

Bullshit, it's Bruce condemning untold number of lives to suffering instead of them making the choice to be Batman themselves.

It's actually one of the most evil choices Bruce could have made.

>training others putting the weight of the situation on someone else's shoulders
>never quitting trying to avoid other people from going through the same suffering
Second one is how a real hero should act.

I actually want Catwoman to get a new love interest. She was at her best during the Brubaker era when she was having her relationship drama with Slam Bradley. Too bad consequent writers did that... thing with Slam's son.

Every time she's dragged down to this Batcat bullshit she's either written down as a damsel in distress that gets her shit pushed in by some other rogue so Batman can have his man pain and vow to avenge/save her, or she's reduced to your over-sexualized/fetichzed arm-candy that drapes herself over Batman's shoulder while he stoically push her away because the mission is more important.

I'd wage that Selina needs to separate herself from Batman, just as Harley needed from the Joker.

You've never been a mentor before have you?

The second point is an extremely selfish one and not heroic in the least.

>why not just go full League of Assassins with the Lazarus Pits?

Supposedly because the pits eventually stop working. Yes, they can extend your life for hundreds of years, but eventually their effectiveness will wane once a person has so many exposures.

The temporary insanity is something that could be dealt with as long as proper protocols were in place.

Her thing with Slam didn't work because the couldn't help her with the shit she was going through mentally and she got back with Bruce though. And some of the best interaction she had in that run where with Bruce like in the museum and the date issue. Her and Bruce do work well together, you just need a competent writer.

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Also, IMO you could make a strong case that the Pits are actually subtly addicting. Ra's has shown several addict qualities when it comes to them.

Not him, but I'm not implying a damn thing. Bruce shouldn't be Batman forever. He is literally the least interesting character in the Batfamily at this point. If he dies, the entire corner becomes rife with storytelling potential.
If he actually got a Mar-Vell death, with no intent of bringing him back, Gotham would done a service for audiences who pay attention to it, for decades.

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Or they should kill off some of the 20 batfamily members and give something back to Batman

Her and Slam didn't work because DC forces the Batcat thing as a mandate. So any other love interest is just a pit-stop.
>Her and Bruce do work well together
No, they don't.

>So we're introduced to Selina's potential rebound, a gifted black artist called James, Bat-Cuck imminent I guess
I have never been this excited about BLACKED meme, but there's always the first time

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Go read that run it was explicitly explained why her and Slam couldn't work. And they do work well together especially in that run where she was trying hard to be a better person, but the world kept shitting on her. And she almost broke but Bruce was there for her.
I like Slam but after the black mask arc it was clear to see why they couldn't make it work.

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I would actually dream for DCEU movies for instance to ditch Batman at this point and focus on Batfamily.
Make standalone movies focusing on Dick, Jason, Tim and Barbara while Batman is missing from Gotham for one reason or another - with the story coming to a head in a Battle of the Cowl movie crossover. Something like Avengers, but on a much smaller scale and with Batfamily. There is a perfect setup for that if DC still wishes to acknowledge the Snyderverse.

They don't. It's always either Bruce trying to save Selina from herself, or Selina trying to save Bruce from himself, or them not trusting each other after multiple back-stabbing because muh independence/mission and hurting each other again by mutual distrust.

just watch the CW and DC channel shows

None of that happened in that run. Neither of them needed saving. Selina wanted to change on her own and did everything she did to make that change on her own. Bruce just supported her when she really needed it. Something that is supposed to happen in relationships.

You're just listing shit that is a bad writer's fault and like I already said it works well with a good writer.

>Or they should kill off some of the 20 batfamily members
You just do what they've already done and ignore most of them.
Boom, problem solved. You can't ignore Bruce though. At this point, he's a stoic, keikaku machine, roadblock that limits the growth of the characters worth paying attention to. He is more a plot device than an actual character at this point, whose continued existence does nothing but cater to the pleb tier interests of edgy 13 year olds, and deprives us of witnessing the emergence of Dick, Babs, Jason, Tim, and Damian out from under Bruce's cape, and the broader ramifications of that on Gotham as a whole. At this point Bruce is just a black plastic tarp over seeded fertile soil that burns the seeds before they can sprout, and frankly we deserve better.

Basically this.

We are approaching the point where having such a large character family is becoming unweildly.

Perhaps a massive event that sours relations and people head out on their own for a bit? A grand country tour could actually be fun. I could see several of the Batfamily ending up in different areas. Barbara is Silicon Valley, Jason easy riding across America, etc.

>I could see several of the Batfamily ending up in different areas.
>Alexa, what was Batman Inc.?

>Jason Easy Riding across America

WHY DOES THIS WORK SO WELL?

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The family is already splintered you dumbass.
Everyone already fucked off from Tec' which was supposed to be the batfamily book.

Yes, Batman was there to save her from herself by reminding she's a good person deep inside. It's always like this.

The problem is that they exist.

Because Jason should be as far away from everything as possible.
He should be so far, that he ends up in Marvel.
The fucking cunt.

>Bruce makes her dress up as Supes for the wedding night

I'm starting to suspect this comic is made for brainlets.

No it isn't. You wanna know why deep pulls are entertaining? Because the character has been there the whole time. You just haven't seen them for awhile, forgot about them, and are eventually reminded they exist. So all the characters that are the problem need to be "fixed" are just the first two steps: us not seeing them long enough to forget about them.
The reason the Robins, Babs, and to a lesser degree, Kate, are so pervasive, is because they remain on the forefront for decades, long enough to take place in stories that are significant which immortalizes them. So stop using the other sidekicks, don't include them in big stories, and boom, they're taken care of, and we don't have to watch Bruce do the same 6 month bullshit cycle he does every time someone gets killed.

It's okay, user, some learn later than others.
I only bought the first 5 off the shelf and the 6th out of my stores dollar bin before I dropped it.

That's not saving her though. It's supporting her. Saving would be him putting her on that path, but she had already made that decision herself.

Do you even know who owns DC?

AT&T

Why are Lois and Selina even friends in Bruce's head, much less in that shitshow of a double date issues

How much does the key weigh? half a billion tons?

Right? I kept asking this myself during that double date issue because historically Lois always hated Selina. It's jarring to see them as close pals just because.

Because they became friends in that double date issue? And also she's his best friend's wife so it make sense that he'd want her to get along with Lois.

Because King is a bad writer.

They hit it off during Date Night.

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As far as we know Superman could inside his fortress the Marvel universe inside a bottle next to his childhood toys

Half a million tons. But that's in ASSM.
Kara a cute.

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The problem is that it feels underseved and contrived. Specially because it began with Superman being the one having sort of a problem with Selina, as a person, and Lois being on Selina's camp from the start, when historically Lois always had an issue with Selina for being a thief, messing with Bruce (her friend), and hitting on Superman.

It feels like King had them as the bestest of gal-pals just because Superman and Batman are superfriends, and so Lois and Selina should be as well. Just because.

>I'VE CARRIED THE GALAXIES

The Presence bless you silver age

>It feels like King had them as the bestest of gal-pals
user, I'm not going to presume, but I introduced my ex to people she didn't know, and she'd act like they were best friends after just meeting, on one hand for my benefit, and on the other because someone is more likely to share more with you if you don't give them a reason to be defensive. It is something people do, even those who aren't investigative reporters always trying to find out more than what they are being offered.

I don't mind it. It's reasonable that seeing them get engaged could change their minds about her. I don't remember if Lois and Selina had even interacted post-FP before that issue.

That line was pretty cute desu, he didn't even say in front of her

But Lois never liked Selina before. That's the main issue.

They became friends IN that issue. It's fine.

Similar thing happened to an ex of mine except she didn't get all super cozy with anyone and have the type of conversation presented on that page, she was just nice and interactive. She also did it for me and she didn't have much of a personality anyway.

Well, people change. For all we know, She was being nice, because Clark was seemingly unwilling to sign on right away, and Lois thought it might help him soften his stance if she were friendlier, in the hope of not upsetting Bruce if both of them were unfriendly to her.

You know this could actually be used to retcon everything shitty in Tom King's Batman as just a long, torture session Bruce had in this machine.
Let's just hope the next Batman writer knows how to use this

hopefully bane breaks selina's spine

I fail to see why that would hold true.
>but muh hush

No it isn't faggot. You just like this gay shit so you don't care.

No, it isn't. Because the issue already starts with Lois defending Selina before even meeting her. For someone that likes to reference old canon so much, King can be pretty choosy with what's canon and what's not.
We were never shown that Lois changed her opinion on Selina.

>For all we know
Isn't that the problem? You're just told " omg they became friends off screen!!!' and you're going to buy it because you're an imbecile.

Because everyone bending their backs over to be nice to Selina feels contrived and forced.

I'm not an autistic loser who doesn't understand the concept of becoming friends with your husband's best friend's wife.

It should be obvious that her opinion changed considering they're friends now.

God fucking dammit. I was enjoying this too...

This is a comic where Selina bested Talia in a sword fight in a literal cat-fight and ended woth Selina while laughing at Talia's face for believing that she deserves Bruce and that Bruce's a great person, and Talia being a fan of Selina and being in support of the marriage after being bested and humiliated.

If you guys thought that Lois would be against Selina in anyway you guys are delusional. That would only happen if King was out to humiliate Lois character to prop Selina, but King isn't stupid and he knows that readers, specially casual readers, are Lois fans.

You sound like an npc.

>It should be obvious that her opinion changed considering they're friends now.
The double-date issue already started with her being in favor of Selina from the start. So there's no change. Just King ignoring past stuff because it'd get in his way.

Reminder she broke his spine in one kick.

Not everyone likes her though. It's outright shown that Barbara and Damian don't.

>Amanda Conner will never do an issue of Wonder Woman and Giganta putting aside their differences and having a night on the town

Feels bad man.

Barbara became her fan and Damian was shown as an immature child.

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But did Lois even not like Selina before that issue? And I mean after N52 because their relationship before it doesn't matter anymore.

Would Yea Forums read an Amanda conner series of the Justice League dealing with minor incidents in the downtime between massive global scale missions?

Before Flashpoint Lois HATED Selina. After Flashpoint Lois was a massive bitch and never interacted with Selina.

But King's constantly referencing pre-Flashpoint Batcat moments. So that's on him.

Why? This isn't like some OC King made to be Batman's love interest but one of the most long established love interest for Batman. She's a known quantity, no more less abrasive then Lois herself

>37
In a row?!

>Before Flashpoint Lois HATED Selina
I don't know about that, sounds dubious at best. Why would Lois even have a problem with her?

It is kind of dumb, but if Lois isn't shown explicitly hating Selina post-FP then I don't see any issue in her becoming friendly with her.
But to each their own I guess, I have bigger issues with King's run than this one thing.

Because the writing is fanfic tier. Selina, who like you said has been an established love interest for Batman for decades now, has interacted with other people over said decades. We know things like how Jason never liked her, how Lois never liked her, how Dick was always suspicious of her, how Tim always felt threatened by her, and so on. So to see Lois and Selina being gal-pals is fucking weird. Specially because we know this wasn't the case before.

Capisce?

You know there was a reboot in 2011 right?

Because she's a thief, because she had flirted with Superman before, because Lois was Bruce's friend and hated how Selina always left him a mess of a person. She wasn't a fan of Selina because of past experiences.

Yes he does. He literally passed out flying in Tomasi’s run because he was so tired.

It isn't even about past history though. She's a known felon, if they had never met before(which is what King is implying), it's natural to be suspicious.

>you're going to buy it because you're an imbecile.
Or, because I'm not a dipshit who believes things have to stay the way they always have been? Lemme guess, you still go around telling people that Batman shoots people with guns, and that Superman can only jump over skyscrapers but can't fly, right?

You know that said reboot has been meaningless in this run, right? In the New 52 Selina didn't know that Batman was Bruce Wayne, was the leader of mafia family, and was hating on Batman for having something weird with Wonder Woman and not giving them a chance. Hell, she even dated Steve Trevor for a bit.

Was any of that shown in King's run? No. What King has been milking is pre and post-CoIE interactions to showcase that Bruce and Selina have a huge history together so he doesn't have to develop their relationship from scratch.

>No Electric Blue suit
Fuck you guys I love that suit

yikes

Character development is fine. Off panel "character development is not. You are a dipshit of you think you can show characters hating each other then do a bullshit timeskip and have them as good friends. I mean, you can, but don't get mad when you're rightfully getting called out on being a hack.

It's shown that the timeline is conflicting because they have different memories. Don't go bitching on Yea Forums just because your dumbass didn't pay attention.

But why are you okay with King ignoring Lois and Selina past history, but milking non-stop Bruce and Selina past history?

>It's shown that the timeline is conflicting because they have different memories.
You're so dumb. The point of Bruce remembering the iconic Batman #1 first meeting and Selina remembering the Miller's Batman #404 first meeting is to show how different their perspective on things are. It has nothing to do with the time-line being fucked.
It also doesn't matter when it comes to remember OTHER past-canon that THEY BOTH remember.

>This happened because I said it did
>This other stuff didn't because I said it didn't
It's a new timeline where he can do what he wants, this isn't a hard concept.

>Because she's a thief,
Lois isn't that self-righteous that she can't the varying levels of being a supervillain cat burglar and a supervillain mass murderer.
>because she had flirted with Superman
I don't think she's that insecure either, if anything I think Yea Forums is right when they peg lois as a cuckquean.
>because Lois was Bruce's friend
eeeh...friends is iffy

>I don't think she's that insecure either, if anything I think Yea Forums is right when they peg lois as a cuckquean.
Yes, she was?

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In this new timeline they have never met, however, King started his run on Batman with Catwoman as a prisoner on death row. If you think Lois getting all cozy with her after just meeting her 30 minutes before is not dumb then you're dumb.

There's a big timeline fucking event going on right now you dumbo.
Pay the fuck attention.

>We know things like how Jason never liked her, how Lois never liked her, how Dick was always suspicious of her, how Tim always felt threatened by her
These are open to interpretation, like Tim is no longer part of the Batfamily and Bendis should have kept him in limbo or how hypocritical Jason is being for disliking selina seeing how he's a murderer.

>Hey Bruce, did Selina really kill all those people?
>Oh no she didn't Lois.
>Oh okay, thanks.

Is this proof that she is into cuckcakes like getting all horny for seeing Clark fuck Zatanna?

Because in a Batman book, I don't care about character interaction that wasn't important and/or well developed enough for me to remember, and frankly prefer Lois and Selina getting along, as I prefer it when Clark and Bruce do.

Even if you want to defend King for pick-and-choosy on continuity so he doesn't have to develop the Batcat relationship, you still have the problem of Selina being condemned as a mass-murderer. Something King himself established in his run.

She didn't actually do it though. If through them talking she found out or she heard the truth from Bruce then it wouldn't even be a problem.

>If through them talking she found out or she heard the truth from Bruce then it wouldn't even be a problem.
Something never shown.

We can imply that because there is literally no reason not to.

I'll give you that it should have been shown, but it's not unreasonable that Lois would have found out from one of them.

Well thought out, counterargument. I pity anyone who tries refuting this logic, because it's can't be done.

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Clark should be with Zatanna. I haven't liked Lois in years.

Not everyone's a brainlet who needs everything spelled out for them tbf.

I completely sincerely agree, user.
If you think I'm being sarcastic, you are mistaken.

It doesn't matter if she did or did not do it. This is the first time they're meeting and she was on death row. At the end of the day, normal Norm wouldn't get picked up suddenly from the street and be put on death row, but Catwoman did get put on death row.

She considers Bruce a nutter though.

Character work in's having things "spelled". Specially when it leads to development.
Showing that Lois was initially wary and distrustful of Selina because of her shady past and being a fugitive, and eventually learning that Selina is an alright person that doesn't steal anymore and was wrongly convicted would have been great. But instead we had a shallow display of friendship that feel unearned and contrived.

Selina sucks black Cocks!! Canon.

>it would have been great
No, it would have been completely unnecessary. The story is not Lois comes to term with Selina and accepts her but you're my Husband's best friend's fiancee, let's hang out.
Selina doesn't need Lois's approval to marry Bruce.

Well if you're no longer on death row then it follows you were innocent. Lois isn't some judgemental bitch who think ex-convicts need to prove themselves to her.

These are comic book characters with histories and characterization.

And you're a complete faggot if you think a marriage other than your own has to dictate who you are friends with.

But what am I saying? Of course you're a faggot you're on Yea Forums defending king's garbage writing.

Why are there so many large asteroids on collision course with earth? IIRC the last big asteroid to hit earth was like 50 thousand years ago, but in comics there is always one just around the corner.

Lois and Selina shouldn't be friends. The Bat-Family and Batman's friends shouldn't need to accept her just because she's fucking Batman. Past writers knew that. Tom King, though, is all about pandering to fans.

Selina is part of the Batfamily though.

No, she isn't. She never was.

>she never was
Yeah she was

She wasn't. She was always that girl that Batman sometimes fucks. Vicki Vale had more of a presence in the Bat-Family in the past than Selina ever did.

Batman has a ton of hotter women than Lois in his harem of allies and villains. This Lois thing with Selina makes no sense. She is as boring as they go when it comes to Batman's taste in women. Also since when she and Lois are some bestie crap. There is no build up for it than some dumb date where they just met, Selina is a streetwise and smart woman who is not some teeny girl desperate for a best friend. She has her friends and I could never see it as Lois Lane. I think they are trying to force Lois in everything to the point even trying to undermine Batman's marriage. Does this mean Batman does not know nor understand his wife ? And wtf is that Superman robot doing? That alone is some unsettling bs. Batman wants to swing it seems. This timeline is a mess . And it is a mess to prop Superman and Lois. Nothing else. I said it . So there.

So now they've written TWO different sets of bachelor and bachelorette parties for a wedding that was never going to happen. This is a completely wasted issue. What a fucking joke.

They're both already dating guys that look like that (in the case of Lois, exactly like that). Why would they be so excited?

It's just Tom King trying to pander to the Twitter and Tumblr crowd like usual. He knows that DC fans love the World's Finest bromance. Superman and Batman being the bestest of pals. He knows that readers eat that crap and beg for more. So he's trying to sell the idea that Selina and Lois are just like that. That they too are the bestest of gals. That Superman/Lois and Batman/Selina are always going on double-dates forever and are so in tune and all that crap. Because if he can win the Superman/Batman fans, he can get more praise, recognition, and money out of this run.

I was going to comment on this, but then I realized it's just another throwaway dream sequence because if these are Bruce's thoughts, the third party trying to break him, or King's thoughts.

Honestly, this whole issue means nothing. It feels very poorly constructed, another empty issue so that King can keep padding his storylines to climax at intervals of 25.

because we don't know* if these are Bruce's thoughts....

Because Superman got that good dick and model his robots to be anatomically correct.

>Vicki Vale had more of a presence in the Bat-Family in the past than Selina ever did.
Holy fuck, how delusional are you?

Again, Lois is already dating Superman and she seems to be the one more excited.

Have you read any past Batman comics? Vicki and Julia used to be a duo and constant helpers of Batman? Catwoman was the one no one wanted near them or Batman. The untrustworthy.

...

>Have you read any past Batman comics?
Have you?

Yes?

So you're just autistic about Catwoman then.

Because she loves that dick and she love introducing that dick to other women.

No. Read past comics. Catwoman used to help Batman every now and then, but she wasn't part of the Bat-Family. For that she needs the others approval. Dick was indifferent to her, Babs didn't liked her, and Jason was utterly against her presence. So she wasn't part of the Bat-Family. I'm talking pre-CoIE here. Even during post-CoIE she wasn't close to the Bat-Family.

i dont get it, it seems like as best friends who share a crime fighting gimmick they could at least go out, and fight some crime together. im not sure why they seem so cold together. also that alfred in the background.

> but she wasn't part of the Bat-Family.
Yeah she was
>For that she needs the others approval.
No she didn't.

She wasn't. You can cry about it, but she wasn't. If for you to be part of the Bat-Family all that was needed was fucking Batman, every Batman's girlfriends there is would be part of the Bat-Family by definition.

Tom King probably never had a male friend, i feel.

>She wasn't
She was though.

Lets agree to disagree. For me, for you to be part of a family, the family has to accept you as one of them. What we've seen before is that she was always met with suspicion or outright malice by the family before. I think only Alfred and Dick never raised much of an issue about her,

Why the fuck are they completely incapable of interacting in any capacity? Jesus this is terrible. These guys have worked with each other for decades, yet they're stammering like it's some kind of incredibly awkward blind date.

And why would...oh fuck it. Whatever. Next issue, then. This shit better get back on track.

Dear DC, please stop forcing Superman and Lois in the batbooks. We have a batfamily and many other characters historically more relevant to the batbooks than Lois. Hell Zatanna makes more sense than this. Even Ivy. Stop trying to ruin batcat by propping clois who has not earned this place here!

King would have shat all over Zatanna if she was featured in the book, because he knows that she has been portrayed as a potential love interest for Batman. So he'd see her as a rival to Batcat.

>Bruce and Clark, awkwardly trying to ignore that both of them thought about Tom of Finland

So you admit Zatanna is relevant. Whether King shit on her or not, it is a fact she and other characters have a history and relationship than Lois. Fact Selina and Zee had character development and an arc . This story is not making batcat look good with Lois either. Selina sounds like a dumb teen seeking validation from the great Lois. She'd never do that nor would Bats assume that she'd behave like this.

Batman is gay

There was a gangbang, I'm 100% sure of it

I USED TO READ WORD UP! MAGAZINE

Reminder this is the future that awaited Batman if the marriage had happened.

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Reminder this actually happened. In the same issue too.

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They're under a lot of stress.

I no, rite. Should be full of explosions.

Mebbe he was an immigrant.

The best part is while this is happening Selina has already moved on and is getting pounded by some random black guy. I don't know what DC has against Bruce but Jesus give the guy a break.

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Alright, which one of you did this?

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Dammit Taylor, you already killed Earth 2. When will your appetite for destruction be satisfied?

You could cut the sexual tension with a knife.

>Mogo doesn't fermentize

And I'm pretty sure humans can't digest anything from Bismoll.

Never.
Injustice whetted it.
Earth-2 gave him a snack.
But now, he's aiming for a feast.

They chicken out at the last minute and Dick marries Koriand'r.

>Dick
>marrying Starfire
>in a Batman editorial controlled book
Never going to happen.

>Nice beaver
>Thanks, I just had it stuffed

>Drinking the Death to Superman wine
What could go wrong?

It's not liquid diamonds, it's just diamonds.
Someone from Bismol could probably eat the fabric of reality if they could put it between two slices of bread.

Do you know how difficult it is to get the Kansas farmboy to reenact a scene from Magic Mike?

I think he takes what he is given so that he can build cred and eventually do whatever project he really wants ala Johns and Morrison.

>Beetle Juice

and nobody got the reference? Yea Forums, I'm ashamed of you.

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I miss Scott Snyder

They are drinking literal diamonds.

Is this seriously the same guy who wrote The Vision? I find it hard to believe.

It wasn't me but I would've liked it if I had twitter. It's nonsensically funny.

>Lars Tay Darllsky

Maybe it's an anagram/clue. Dark, Star, Slay, lots of potential. Nothing jumping out right away though.

This page will come in handy in future Out of Context Threads

Because now she can have that dick in her pussy, her ass, and her mouth at the same time.
It's not cheating if you are have a orgy with the same person

Selina is a prostitute.

Jesus this book is an embarrassment. Hey bruce Selina's got a nice hot black stud maybe you should move on.

this, Batman should have a vision about his parents telling him to not marry someone who worked the streets

So Tom King thinks getting dumbed by Catwoman is more tragic than death of Robin or even his parents?

You can always make a new Robin but Cat is the only one that understands Bat completely.

It’s terribly OOC that Batman wants to marry a unredeemed criminal. Also she didn't try to stop stealing after their engagement. That made her look selfish and their relationship shallow.

There is someone trapped in torture machine; all of us that are reading this run.

KIIIIIIIINNNNGGGG

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l’d rather see Batman/Superman bromance or even romance than this shitty BatCat.

Oh man! Batman's hooked up to some machine that makes him live trough some traumatic stuff that actually never happened! I sure haven't seen this before, nuh uh!

You're a 100% right and we are all old, but in his defense, this feels really old because the last two runs of Batman (Morrison and Snyder) have had identical plot points. Even if it was a long time ago, it's fresh in everyone's memories because there's no palate cleanser

fuck off ladderfag

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It's been well below that for a while. It could drop below 80 thanks to this.

You seem to think this isn't the second bachelorette party issue.

That's even worse than king.

Disney doesn't have more money than AT&T.

That was my point.

And they danced as only a Superman robot could.

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