Soo Who wins?

Soo Who wins?

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shazam since superman if weak to magic

In general? Fawcett Captain Marvel > Superman > DC Captain Marvel > Shazam = Black Adam > all other "Supermanlike" villains, unless they are starring in an event in which case they have plot armor and will lay him out like a bitch.

Superman: "So, what's the word again?"

C.M: "Y-you mean, Shazam?"

>Superman butters the pavement with Billy's teenage guts and brains faster than sound

>One of the most kino fights of all time
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Billy.

Kingdom Come Superman is one of his most powerful iterations, btw, as he has been sipping that sweet solar rays for what 40 years? To the point Kriptonite doesn't affect him anymore.

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Why do people say Superman is weak to magic? There is a huge difference from being weak to something to having no magic to fight the magic.

He's just at equal ground against magic. It's not like magic does double damage to him.

>Fawcett Captain Marvel > Superman
Silver Age supes was easily more preposterous than Ye Olde Fawcett Captain Marvel.
Billy might have had an initial advantage, but Supes became far more preposterous eventually than Cap could ever hope for.

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It depends entirely on the writer.

For instance, there was a crossover once where Superman went to Gemworld, and was utterly fucked because magic was working on him like kryptonite. So one of the wizards used magic to there turn him into a normal human who wasn't weak to magic, then faked him having his powers again using magic.

Anyway it was an extremely stupid crossover and they should've sent Billy instead.

In DCU? Shazsm

They're pretty even
Superman's strength is the same as Shazam's but with even higher potential, while Shazam's morals are more loose than Superman's
Superman is also a genius but Shazam has magic

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Supeman's genius comes into play roughly as often as Shazam's "Wisdom of Solomon".
They are both basically as cunning and intelligent as a college linebacker, by default.

>Superman is also a genius
And Shazam isn't? Did you forget about the whole Wisdom of Solomon thing?

Writers ignore both, so why can't he?

Not really, Superman is pretty smart in his ongoings (hell even Bendisman manages to do this). It's events where he has to drink PIS that really burns his image in that regard
Wisdom of Solomon hasn't really factored in post New 52 (unless you're talking street smarts), but point taken

What a stupid fucking thread
There are several animations as well as endless comics where they fight. Vs threads are supposed to be about things that don't cross over, piss off

the only one here that's willing to actually kill someone
man of murder

Superman: I will kill as many people as I have to as long as you are one of them!

Fine, Captain Marvel vs. Doctor Fate

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Honestly, has any magic user ever just trapped superman in a playing card? That seems like the easiest way to beat him.

Batman

Fate probably could shut off the magic powering up Captain Marvel.

Soo Who wins?

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Dr Fate insta-wins over anyone short of the Spectre. Even then it's a 10/10 for Fate.

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Society

>superman isn't weak to magic
>ok so magic affects him like any other regular person and completely dominates him
>wait no, you see he is still super durable and super strong

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THE ERA OF BATSUPES IS OVER.

CHADZAM AND AQUACHAD IS UPON US

Doesn't magic bypass his powers or something? Like, if he gets shot with a magically powered bullet, its like a normal person being shot.

a vampire casually mind controlled Superman once

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Dr. Fate got fucked over by some living charcoal. Fuck off. Shazam on the other hand would someday replace the wizard who is on a way higher position than Dr. Fate.

Dc “””””heroes””””” this is why stark was in the right

I think supes might have over reacted just a LITTLE bit.

Punished Clark is a force to be reckoned with

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Given it's Luthor and this is post most of Luthor's bullshit, it's not a shock. But Cap was right in everything he did, given they can teleport people anywhere as long as they have comms and Atom/Steel are generally just sitting in the WatchTower playing grab ass.