Even supposedly high-IQ comics and graphic novels are brainlet-tier

You're not wrong, but I have to ask, why are you here? Comics are cheap entertainment, so why come to the comics board?

Cerebus the Aardvark
Duncan the Wonder Dog
Howard the Duck

What is it about "X the Y" which brings out the best in comics?

>Cerebus the Aardvark
>Duncan the Wonder Dog
>Howard the Duck
one of these things is not like the other

Because I've seen genuinely good comics, and I know the medium has way more potential than people are willing to take advantage of

Duncan, because of the word "Wonder" before the animal name?

Well, go on, name them. Don't be a coward. and had the courage to name their picks, so why don't you have the courage to do the same?

What are these genuinely good comics you speak of? Because you've spoken of comics with nothing by disdain.

and you two are proving just how worthless your opinions are

Well don't leave us hanging. Are you going to tell us or what?

Don't worry user, one of these days I'll buy a scanner and story time the Jodoverse.

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>doesn't have After The Incal and Final Incal
what's the point

Bone
Cerebus the Aardvark
Basically anything by Robert Crumb
Asterix
Tintin
Franco-Belgian comics in general
Calvin and Hobbes
Scud the Disposable Assassin
Tezuka manga

>Pynchon
>Good
Kill Yourself

>Pynchon
>Bad
Follow your advice faggot

Reminder that the constant dick measuring contests in academia over what is and isn’t art and what separates high art from low art is because humanities as a field is worthless compared to stem and colleges have to come up with some sort of justification for the humanities. Thus they prentend that some stories are objectively better than other stories to justify why you should take their classes and lean “worthwhile” literature.

If you aren’t a STEM chad, YOU are the brainlet.

No. Pynchon is trash. He’s written absolutely nothing of value and you’re a pomo shitter if you think he’s worth a damn.

Develop some fucking taste user.

Comics are a medium to entertain and tell stories, not to have schizophrenics, narcissists, and self-righteous partisans ramble on so that dusty shut-ins thirty years later can earn a paycheck by performing armchair psychology on their drivel.

A young, fresh and cherry STEM student walks into the halls of a sterile English department with his head held high. Stern and with a proud heave, he bellows through the cavern at the beanie-sporters scattered through the hall:

" WHAT WOULD YOU RATHER STUDY, HEATHENS? "

Seven fragrant dreadlocked beards spew coffee from their continental gullets. Free-range hens shuffle out a window somewhere.

" WORDS ON A PAGE OR THE FUCKING COSMOS? "

An emergency evacuation is called. Afghan clogs stuff the exit. Native tears are shed. A triad of cauldrons full to brim with boiling kamquat loose their bellies with a fever on the frantic patrons all around. The shelves are raided. Looters stuffing oriental knapsacks leave no kitsch untouched.

From the roaring depths of chaos in the halls, through sheets of stirring fire: calm and rigid comes up looming in the haze a stoic English professor, tailored suit to keen perfection, forty thousand pages full of Marx and further reading in an unstained palm.

Expressionless, with firm phenomenologic hold on mind and body, he whispers to the STEM student, currently engaged in evil laughter:

" What would you rather study, child? "

The student is hushed. Voiceless. The man has snared his subjectivity entirely.

" Nature - or the nature of nature? "

Of an instant all the place is silent. In the corner, captive underneath the groins of several existential theists, one brave soul begins to clap. Soon the place is flooded with cheer.

The next day, all sciences were cancelled nationwide. The shells of disenfranchised rockets sheltered lonely bohemians everywhere. All was well.

>Thus they prentend that some stories are objectively better
Well technically they aren’t wrong about this. It’s just that they haven’t realized that they’re the ones with shit taste.

>" What would you rather study, child? "
>The student is hushed. Voiceless. The man has snared his subjectivity entirely.
>”Nature - or some faggots views and incorrect interpretations of it about it”
FTFY. Please don’t try to hide your lies behind walls of text. It’s incredibly disingenuous and a waste of time on everybody’s side.

It's amazing to me how shit headed some people are. Even people railing against Post-M recognize Pychon's talent. I guess you just like the taste of dick user.

Grant Morrison.

I didn't know STEMfags were so completely unable to recognize a joke.

He has all the depth of a McDonald's hamburger.

Be kind user, STEM majors think double majoring is creativity

Better than Pynchon and the rest of the socialist pomo fanclub.

Only a minority of comics are made for pretentious man-children.

His works are memes. The same faggots that like him think Finnigan’s Wake is deep and write essays on new theory.

You jest, but have you ever thought about how your hamburger came together? The lettuce and cheese existed before the burger did, after all. So did you, and you had an entire life that has been, one way or another, leading up to the moment you held the hamburger in your hand, eyeing it up and determining how to take the first bite.

There was an infinite number of possibilities that led to you consuming a hamburger, and you chose the best of all possible worlds, because it is the world where it happened.

>it's pomo therefore socialist
Drop out user, you're not getting a job with that degree

Morrisonfags actually think that this is deep.

Finnigan’s Wake unironically is an amazing book. Having to decipher the work allows you to create your own meaning for it, giving you a deeper attachment to it than if the story was what we consider a story. I have almost the same fond memories of reading it as I have of War and Peace.

>he can't appreciate the value of a good shitpost

I don't get why Logicomix was marketed as a "smart" comic anyway. It was a biography about a smart man and some of the imagery was cool but the best Marvel and DC comics of any given month are just as out-there.

I got a better job than you barista bitch.

Comfy.>having to decipher it gives it a deeper meaning

No, art isn't objective. Without it being interpreted by the human mind, it's literally nothing. A Bernini sculpture is nothing more than a rock as far as a cat is concerned. Everyone's brain is slightly different, so everyone's going to interpret art slightly differently. Sure, there's going to be some constants since we're all ultimately the same species, but if someone likes something you don't they're not wrong since art is only as valuable as the human mind makes it

A shitpost by definition has no value. It is utterly meaningless, pointless, and effortless, existing not because it says anything important or deeply held, but purely to get the most reactions from people. At it’s very core, shitposting is about using the least value to get the most ire from people.

There really aren’t any. Next question?

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t. brainlet.

This but unironically.

>Without it being interpreted by the human mind, it's literally nothing. A Bernini sculpture is nothing more than a rock as far as a cat is concerned.
Cats are fucking stupid, so what?
>Everyone's brain is slightly different,
And some are clearly worse
>so everyone's going to interpret art slightly differently.
And some are clearly worse
>Sure, there's going to be some constants since we're all ultimately the same species, but if someone likes something you don't they're not wrong since art is only as valuable as the human mind makes it
Some people like the taste of shit. they’re still shit taste faggots. Being human doesn’t mean you’re right in having abysmal opinions.

Oi fuck off, dubliners is comfy shit.

No it doesn’t but it can add entertainment value that you cannot achieve elsewhere. Some people just genuinely like ‘high art’ books, stop projecting pretension on completely innocent people, the world is not solely populated by you and op.

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>Joyce
>high IQ

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People aren’t calling it high iq, simply justifying their right to enjoy it. Shitting on people for liking “pretentious crap” is just as obnoxious as shitting on people who like “soulless funnybooks”.

There’s room for everyone.

That would be Jim Davis. Even his most straightforward "strips" are multitudes more complicated than Finnegans Wake.

>Cats are fucking stupid, so what?
The point is that art is quite literally meaningless without a human there to assign meaning to it
>And some are clearly worse
Elaborate
>And some are clearly worse
See above
>Some people like the taste of shit
Eating poop is objectively and demonstrably unhealthy and harmful. Reading a comic you disapprove of does nothing

Based and pipepilled.

>t. stemlet

Is it worth reading at all? I don't see it mentioned often.

Nah. It doesn't drill deep enough into Russell's work.

Based.

>Jodorowsky
The man just writes stories around his deformation fetish.

>There’s room for everyone.
But that is wrong, cunt

You could definitely structure a course around exploring the body of work of the following comics creators:

Jack Kirby
Dave Sim
Alan Moore
John Byrne

I want to add Grant Morrison to this list as well but his subject matter almost seems to drag him down so I'll leave him as an honourable mention.

Basically if you're an average no-name creator hack then you're not Joyce, you need to have something weird about the way you view the world which expresses itself through your work. The context of the lives, history and place in the industry of everyone listed is what lends their work a level of meaning above Batman #937. Pynchon and Joyce are only studied because their works connect with their context in a way that is worthy of study - the same is true of those I've listed.

Joyce himself was a fan of Krazy Kat, Gasoline Alley, Jeff & Mutt and among other stuff