Literally why did he not just put the entire world into a bottle?

I agree. The fact that Lex defeats the centrally planned economy of the Soviets with an even more total centrally planned US economy is insane and goes against the theme of the story.

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Somebody post the BvS version.

>that picture

So this is what an aneurysm feels like.

The whole comic was shit. This is what you get when you have a brainlet like Millar, whose writing influences exclusively include superhero comics, try to write about sociopolitical issies. It's no better than Stan Lee writing about technology. The only people this comic appeals to is other brainlets.

That's kind of the point. Just as Superman is still intrinsically Superman in Red Son, Lex is still intrinsically Lex. It's not about Superman, it's that someone would dare try to be better than Lex.

Feels weird that people have turned against this comic so much, at least on here. I remember that storytime when BvS came out and everyone seemed to like it a lot.
Thats not to say the criticism isn't valid, but it feels like it came out of nowhere.

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It's a lot easier to just say you've never read a comic in your life

I don’t even care about that. That’s classic comic book writing where the writer doesn’t understand how the world works. I mean the jump into the future and time travel stuff. The comic would have been excellent if there had been no epilogue.

Maybe, but to me it feels like Millar just doesn't know about the fundamental differences between a planned economy and a free one, or why communism doesn't work. The story seems to be saying that if we just had the right smart guy in charge of literally everything, things would work out better. Lex finally gets in charge and he's able to win. Why? He's doing the same thing Supes and Brainiac are doing, economically.

What the fuck are you even talking about?

There's a difference between soft sci fi elements and writing straight up dumb stuff like this.

I didn’t think the problems with Supes had to do with the economy. It was more about him lobotomizing people for thought crimes. Weren’t people generally well off under Commie Supes?

Why the fuck is this mediocre garbage considered one of the best Superman stories of all time? Outside of a few notable scenes it's mostly just the same average Millar bullshit. His Lex Luthor in particular was fucking awful.

I was in that same storytime and know how you feel user, Yea Forums used to recommend this as basically THE Superman comic to go to alongside All-Star Superman. I don't know if it's genuine contrarianism or something else, but there's definitely been a shift.

I think the main problem with Red Son is that on a surface level a lot of people like it but once you start scrutinizing the various elements you really start to see the cracks forming to the point it falls apart.

That sounds more Randian than communist.
Communist "centrally planned economies" are "okay, we killed all the farmers and business owners, so I have no idea why we're now starving to death in poverty."

the theme of the story is not "capitalism is good and central planning is bad," though. and Lex didn't defeat the Societ economy, he appealed to Superman's ethics. literally everything that Lex did up until the put everything in a bottle moment was a failure

FPBP

Because Multiversity proved that you could do (with far less pages and far more interesting and complex characterizations) the Superman lands somewhere other than Kansas and it turns out to be the Commies (in Multiversity's case, it was the Nazi's).

In theory if he could crush any dissent and removed any of his personal bias (except against Superman) why couldn't it work?

Millar is pretty good. Kick-ass and it's spinoffs are unironicaly good. Jupiter series was nice too.

>Weren’t people generally well off under Commie Supes?
Yeah, it was outright said that until Luthor took over the US the only places on Earth that hadn't gone to shit were the ones run by Superman and Braniac

>Kick-ass and it's spinoffs are unironicaly good.
Kick-ass 1 was ok, the movie did it way fucking better and removed most of the garbage edgy elements. The rest of the Kick-ass comics have been pretty damn mediocre. Jupiter's Legacy was also like 90% Frank Quitely, Millar's writing was weak as fuck in it and suffered from all the same story cliches that all his new comics have to the point you could probably make a bingo card.

>far more interesting and complex characterizations
I'M SAD isn't interesting or complex. Mastermen sees a Superman that is completely blameless in all the Nazi atrocities but at the same time is guilt-ridden over the atrocities despite being raised by Hitler. So guilt-ridden he does nothing for decades then the story implies he's either aiding or turning a blind eye to superpowered terrorists out to destroy the society of which he is the immortal, superpowered, absolute dictator of which he could have changed to align with his morals.

I don't want this to come off as a boomer vs zoomer thing, but it might just have to do with new people getting into comics. It's easy to get disappointed by something that gets over-hyped. And once that happens it becomes easier to nitpick certain details.
I haven't read the comic since that storytime, but I felt the point of Red Son was Lex and Superman playing 4d chess with one another. Thats why Lex wins by appealing to his ethics. The communism aesthetic is more or less a means to an end for telling that story.

My problem is Millar doesn't know how to write smart people and his idea of a smart person is just a guy that can play ALL the chess at the same time.

Everything about Luthor's proficiency as a leader in Red Son feels like it was written by a 14 year old
>he cured cancer!
>he invented a no-sleep pill!
>he made a government with artists and shit!

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Regardless if you like edge in general, it's absolutely fitting for a story like Kick-Ass to have copious amounts of it.

Are you fucking psychotic? You seriously think that the president owning every single dollar bill is Randian? Because your concept of communism is a meme?
It's mercantilism at fucking best, national socialism at worst.

Because it just doesn't.
If money doesn't travel upward from the poor to the rich, the machines and the workers and the jobs themselves and the very atoms in the universe prevent prosperity from occurring. Freedom is the only way, yeah.

Millar is Ennis but with better taste in art and without a fetish for people in uniform

It was a shitty comic though.

I never read this one but is this comic pro or anti communism?

Anti I guess? But Luthor did say that there was some good ideas in there so it could be both in all honesty.

i always believed that red son is what superman would become in real life, we would creat a utopia with his alien technology and rule everything.
he would do that with the best of intentions even if the means are terrible.

its pro-humanitarian and condemns both communism and capitalism as placing ideals above the tangible well-being of humans

Capitalism doesn't place ideals above anything, though? It's a deliberate hypocrisy. "Government stay out of my business but don't forget to pay bailouts and also send as many people to die for oil and Israel" doesn't qualify as an ideal.

That just means he enlarged the bottle