Why did incredibles 2 feel so... barebones?

Everything Incredibles 1 did was fresh as fuck. CG that good was still fresh, superhero movies were still figuring themselves out (even stuff that was good like Spiderman was still just one hero and villain). The level of action was unprecedented, think about Dash running on water or the final battle with the robot. Now compare that to the shitty fight from the end of the Fantastic Four movie the next year.

Incredibles 2 feels like a sequel that came out in 2007, instead of 2018. We're spoiled on superheroes and spectacle, so none of it really wowed us. Without that wow, it's kinda just like a long episode of an Incredibles show instead of "the next epic chapter in the saga" or anything.🏀

>Everything Incredibles 1 did was fresh as fuck. CG that good was still fresh, superhero movies were still figuring themselves out (even stuff that was good like Spiderman was still just one hero and villain). The level of action was unprecedented, think about Dash running on water or the final battle with the robot.

user, nothing done in the incredibles was new or fresh.
No one on earth thought that any of the battles were so fucking awesome that they had to talk about them over and over again.
It was trite as fuck.

It only had being a CG family superhero movie going for it.
That's it.
But the essential message in it disgusted me to my very fucking core and I can not abide by that movie in any form.

>barebones
Objectively isn't tho.

I don't think Brad Bird really wanted to do it but he was coming off a lackluster live-action movie with poor profits.

Doesn't help that they had a lot less time to make this movie.

>But the essential message in it disgusted me to my very fucking core and I can not abide by that movie in any form.
Yeah, yeah, normal people are cattle, there simply to worship the truly exceptional... that's only offensive to the cattle.🐀

Violet's character arc from the first movie is completely reset and she goes through the exact same thing again in 2. And Dash has no arc at all and is just comic relief.

>I don't think Brad Bird really wanted to do it
Well I think he did.

>Muh invisible enemies👌

>she goes through the exact same thing again in 2
No she didn't.

at least if gave us some nice reaction images

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Jack-Jack got an arc.

It was written like one of those direct-to-video sequels from the 2000s and late 90s. They had alright ideas, but they weren't thinking big enough.

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No one cares about Jack Jack.

It felt like part 1 reheated. They got almost the same fucking issues

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The characters should have aged

>I'm no one
Well shit.

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Because you grew up

I though it was quite good (though I need to rewatch the first one). The main problem with the movie is Dash barely got screen time/focus it almost felt he wasn't part of the family.

I was expecting it to be feminist trash, but it wasn't; the dad manged to be at home with the kids (no hurr derr womyn are better than men and can do anything) and Elastic Girl shunned a dumb feminist.🙁

speaking of pic related, has anyone else noticed that it's pretty fucked up that Hawkeye married Peter Parker's daughter, who was definitely like 30 years younger than him?

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>married
Well, knocked up, at least.

Nothing's really fresh in the information age.

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Because it was a terrible rehash of the first movie and only made because Brad Bird needed to get back on Disney's good side after Tomorrowland bombed.

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soulless cashgrab.

the movie did not have a good skeleton to build on.

It's great but it can't trump the first. Few animated movies can.

the april fools joke here is that its an incredibles thread and no one is dumping helen pics💢

>saw the movie in theater with my sisters and mom
>walked out
>older sister: "Fuck this feminist shit..."
>younger sister:
>mom: "Yeah. If you want it, buy it, because I won't."
>mfw

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i know right, do your job anons

Everyone was busy doing that in the various thicc waifu threads.

Things that definitely didn't happen.

The novelty of the concept is gone. It didn't feel like a bigger story than the first incredibles. No moment feels as monumental to the characters like when Dash runs on water or the end of the first movie for Violet. It's not a bad movie, just a solid one. After 14 years of waiting, that's not good enough.

Would've been great is Screenslaver stayed the villain instead of Disney shoving in their disturbing obsession of "The villain is actually a random character nobody cares about who gets anticlimatically arrested at the end XD".

then they all sucked my dick and I was albert einstein

>The novelty of the concept is gone
What novelty was that.

Should have just adapted Mezmerella instead of knocking off Iron Man 3's villain twist.

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Of a Pixar movie staring superheroes. Back in 2004, it was their first movie that centered around people.

>there's nothing objectively wrong about this movie so instead I'm gonna rely entirely on vague and ambiguous platitudes.

You're not making any goddamn sense user.

Same reason Andrew Stanton made Finding Dory.

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>a good part of the main plot is just the first movie's but with elastigirl
>aside form having a cool pun for a name, the villain was meh
>the side plots were meh too
>there was very little chance they lived up to the hype from the wait

they should just have adapted the comics instead of the plot

Brad Bird was already planning Incredibles 2 as his next film like a year before Tomorrowland even released.

Hiatus was too long. Hype and expectations were far too elevated.

It was hardly even a different story.
We have characters starting directly from their last arc and somehow making the same mistakes again.
And then there is a LOT of really sloppy movie making.
Repeating arcs, uneven screen time, setups leading nowhere, ineffective scenes, boring concepts...

I wouldn't say super fresh, but it did everything it did with technical excellence.
It's by-the-book film-making that made a difficult topic work by confidently doing things the right way while embracing cheesy aspects. Competent, confident, ahead of the pack.

I don’t know why they even had it at the Oscars. Spider-Verse was THE animated superhero movie of the year; it did everything better than Incredibles 2, so nominating both was really unnecessary.

eh, there was going to be a disney movie on the list one way or another. between this and break it barry 2 at least incredibles 2 was decent.

never ask for anything again

shameless feminist narrative propped up by a rehash of the first movie's script except with the genders reversed

Because it basically replayed the same family-tension of the first movie, but with the roles reversed.
That and the villains' grand scheme was leagues less grandiose than the first movies'
That and they gave that portal person too much screen time. The other side-heroes got fuck-all in comparison

>a good part of the main plot is just the first movie's but with elastigirl
It's not though.

This, I wanted it to be about violet and dash coming into their own as supers and how bob and helen deal with them wanting their own super identity.

Straight to dvd movie or b plot for I3.

>Reverse two roles
>FEMINIST TRASH

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It's based on the delusions of a jew that's too literally butthurt about the Rape that she got from Soviet soldiers that she didn't wanna share anymore

That very same person who hates "Charities" while being on government assistance

What the fuck did you expect

>Reverse two roles
>FEMINIST TRASH

Robyn Hood, one of King Richard's loyal wariors, comes back from the Crusades and leads a group of outlaws to save her true love, Cherry Meryl, from become the Sheriff of Nottingham's unwilling spouse
Just 2 roles, but I'd call that feminist trash.

Writer/Director seemed like they really didn't want to make it. So they kind of half-assed through a rehash of the first movie with a different main character.

It comes off as bland because it is the same standard superhero story we have seen thousands of times before. The first Incredibles managed to weave standard superhero movie with real life drama mixed in that made for a huge clash in settings, story, tone, and it worked together.

The second movie was missing those ordinary life moments that made the first one great. And those points in the superhero parts where they jumped back to ordinary life reactions or minutes that worked out nicely. The second movie the "ordinary life" stuff was not well thought out or executed nearly as well and came off as more of a standard sitcom fare. Also it was not really down to earth enough to clash with the over the top superhero parts.

typical shit opinions from a namefag

It's impossible not to see something that is 300 pounds and walks on land, user.

The whole twist of the movie is that the feminist is evil and they have to stop her.

They did not push things far enough with either storyline. They had a good concept but did not take it to extreme levels like the first movie did. They seemed to play it safer in this.

Take a look at the first movie, and the superhero half is an over the top, 60's silver age type of story where a costumed villain working out of a hollowed out volcano lair plots to send his giant robot to attack the city. While the Normal Life half is a daytime tv style drama about a man tired of his meaningless existence, thinks he is underappreciated since his glory days are past him and forgotten, dealing with a shitty job, wife thinks he is cheating, they fight a lot, he runs from his family to look for some kind of thrill.

Second movie had a very modern, costume-less tragic backstory "twist" villain, a low key plot, and pretty standard Mr Mom sitcom style normal life half only with superpowers added in. The superhero half should have been just as brightly colorful Silver Age as the first movie to really stand out from the normal life half. And the normal life half should have toned down the superpowered shenanigans to make it look more common and boring when compared to the superhero half.

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It was cliched as fuck, didn't do anything creative and the twist was predictable as hell.

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Was he right?

Let's compare the main character arcs, shall we?

Incredibles
>starts with Bob being shown as the world greatest superhero, also a smug loner that thinks he is better than everyone else but ultimately a good person
>hiding away causes him to get depressed because he believes that he is too "great" for a mundane life
>gets a chance to relive his glory days but hides it from everyone because he and his family are supposed to act normal and because as the former number 1 hero he can't bring himself to tell his wife that he failed at his work
>villain that exists partly because of his past selfish actions nearly kills him and his family
>he realizes that by overvaluing himself he undervalued his family and ended up putting them all in danger
>fights alongside his family to save the day
>movie ends with him sharing what makes him happy with his family

Incredibles 2
>Helen gets picked for the "make supers legal again" project because she is a competent super that doesn't cause property damage
>she spends the whole movie being a competent super that doesn't cause property damage

who?

They didn't ruin the film. But they did ruin Mr. Incredible. He wasn't sexist in the first movie.

They waited too damn long. Expectations were to the moon and they released a solidly okay movie.

Because it was the same damn story. Just Helen's turn.

When the fuck was he sexist?

Nah, in the first movie Bob actually had a connection to the main villain, said villain had a plan that made sense and the rest of the family got to be part of the main plot before the final act.

non-creepy cgi humans was a big deal back then

>When the fuck was he sexist?

He couldn't stand the fact that Elastigirl was picked over him. Because of two things, one that he's usually the best hero, and two she's a woman. It is a mix of the two factors but they are both present.

To be honest, the vilians motives are fundamentally more heroic then the motives of the "heroes" of the story.
And he's made out to be the bad guy.
Pixar has a boner for exceptionalism and ebul critics and lessers just not knowing how awesome you are and how everyone should worship them for their speshulness.

He would have acted the same way if they had picked Frozone or even some random straight white male hero. He couldn't stand it because he loves being a super more than anything in the world and because he is kinda conceited and believes that he is the best super of them all.

You forgot the part that he would only turn everyone into "supers" after getting to LARP as a new super by creating a bunch of false flag attacks that he would stop himself later. And since he is a megalomaniac villain with a huge ego he would have probably ended up doing that forever or until the robots got out of control like they did.

More like bareboner haha

His explanation of a "real motive" is good and theatrical, but possibly over the heads of a PIXAR movie audience. They probably don't have that much faith in an audience to "get" what this hypothetical villain has to say. And maybe they shouldn't. Better, though? Yeah. Dependent on the delivery.

What's Robyn Hood?

Literally souless.